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AceRx
04-05-2004, 01:55 PM
If you were voting right now.........who would it be......BUSH or KERRY? Why?

crombie22480
04-05-2004, 02:00 PM
Can't wait to see the nasty flaming, and personal digs that are going to come out of this thread. I bet this will cause some bannings.

mariners216
04-05-2004, 04:59 PM
woo hooooooo wrong forum!:D

TimeToLift86
04-05-2004, 07:17 PM
Kerry is a pussy, I was born a Republican and I will die a Republican

mariners216
04-05-2004, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by TimeToLift86
and I will die a Republican
Well you got that part right. See you soon.:eek:

JigaroKagan
04-05-2004, 08:29 PM
I'm not voting for either one. Both are deceitful curses upon this world. Neither one of them possess the capacity to care for the people. Their sole aim is to secure a vote, to be the definition of a corrupt politician.

SteakNPotatoes
04-06-2004, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by JigaroKagan
I'm not voting for either one. Both are deceitful curses upon this world. Neither one of them possess the capacity to care for the people. Their sole aim is to secure a vote, to be the definition of a corrupt politician.

Ayup. That is pretty much any politician, unfortunately. What you have to do is vote for whichever one is the least corrupt (Kerry) and hope they do you good.

The Kurgan
04-08-2004, 12:16 PM
If I was voting right now, I would:

(a) Be breaking the law.

(b) Be British, and therfore unable to vote.

(c) Laughing at the schmucks called Bush and Kerry.

(d) Trying to find out the name of the Green candidate.

illriginal
04-08-2004, 12:23 PM
I say let Bush stay till he finishes what he started. Once it's all over with I wont care!

JonZ
04-08-2004, 01:14 PM
Last night John Dean was on CNN(I think) talkign about how Bush makes Nixon look like a saint.

According to Dean,Bush should have been impeached for lying to congress nevermind his other 6 abuses of power.

I cant see how anyone with 1/2 a brain can vote for that guy after what hes done to this country the past 4 years.

BuckWyld
04-08-2004, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by JonZ

According to Dean,Bush should have been impeached for lying to congress nevermind his other 6 abuses of power.


I have a bet going with a friend that Bush will be impeached before the election. I think I am going to win :)

crombie22480
04-08-2004, 01:22 PM
People are talking sh*t about bush...but he is winning in this poll on BB.com

bgzee
04-08-2004, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by crombie22480
People are talking sh*t about bush...but he is winning in this poll on BB.com

Oh geez, I forgot I was a conformist. GO BUSH!

BigKazWSM747
04-08-2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by BuckWyld
I have a bet going with a friend that Bush will be impeached before the election. I think I am going to win :)

Your kidding if you think the repub controlled house of rep anbd senate will allow their presidential nominee to get impeached.

Lynne
04-08-2004, 03:14 PM
Bush

illriginal
04-08-2004, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
Your kidding if you think the repub controlled house of rep anbd senate will allow their presidential nominee to get impeached.

ding ding ding... lol that kid's gonna lose the bet wonder how much he's going to lose.

BTW I'm agreeing with BigKaz.

BuckWyld
04-08-2004, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
Your kidding if you think the repub controlled house of rep anbd senate will allow their presidential nominee to get impeached.

I think that the facade is crumbling and all the lies are going to come out soon, they may not have a choice

FreeBirdbulker
04-08-2004, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by TimeToLift86
Kerry is a pussy, I was born a Republican and I will die a Republican

hell yea brother, i couldnt agree more. born republican, die republican.

BigKazWSM747
04-08-2004, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by BuckWyld
I think that the facade is crumbling and all the lies are going to come out soon, they may not have a choice

Please, Bush will stall as long as he can and so will the repubs until it is all too obvious he is guility. But november will then be long gone.

irpker
04-08-2004, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
Please, Bush will stall as long as he can and so will the repubs until it is all too obvious he is guility. But november will then be long gone.

Guilty of what?

If the democrats are going to argue he was lying about the imminent threat of Iraq, they have to prove he deliberately presented false information as being true. The key word being "deliberately."

bgzee
04-08-2004, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by irpker
Guilty of what?

If the democrats are going to argue he was lying about the imminent threat of Iraq, they have to prove he deliberately presented false information as being true. The key word being "deliberately."

EXACTLY. ****n Powell has already gone back and said the intellegence he presented was flawed.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/03/iraq.main/

Has US intelligence ever failed this bad before? Why now under Bush?

BigKazWSM747
04-08-2004, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by irpker
Guilty of what?

If the democrats are going to argue he was lying about the imminent threat of Iraq, they have to prove he deliberately presented false information as being true. The key word being "deliberately."

I meant to imply if he was guility. I see re-reading it now though that it implies he is guility.

gluon999
04-08-2004, 08:34 PM
Kerry

If we chose Bush, we are royally ****ed for the next 4 years. Kerry isn't no angel either but atleast he still has some integrity left.

egon
04-08-2004, 09:53 PM
neither, they are both douches

JonZ
04-09-2004, 07:19 AM
"Kerry is a pussy"

I think you have that backwards.

Bush is named very appropriately. Kerry fought for country while George Jr was drunk driving while attending the college his daddy got him into.

I think everyone who supports Bush should enlist, pickup a rifle and go to Iraq, since you all think he's doing the right thing.

HYPOCRITES!!!!!

Tim
04-09-2004, 08:19 AM
Kerry. I think that the election will be very close.

RedheadHardBody
04-09-2004, 10:55 AM
I would vote for John Kerry! Bush is such a total assclown! Bush wants to ban porn next!

rookejr
04-09-2004, 11:01 AM
My only point is, on Sept. 12th, if I had bet all of you ten thousand dollars that another attack wouldn't happen on American soil for two and a half years, ya'll would have taken it in a heart beat and you would have lost as well. Every one of you thought another attack would happen, and guess what, it hasn't. So to anybody who talks **** about Bush, thats all I have to say.

illriginal
04-09-2004, 06:37 PM
If Kerry wins the election... The U.S. will be ****ed... that pussy ****'s gonna soften up the U.S. and we'll have even worst problems later down the road. I Kerry's not going to finish Bush's job, which will then give the okay for the terrorist to attack once more and many other times.

kingdd
04-09-2004, 07:01 PM
Bush has stepped way out of line in his presidency. He has screwed up the economy, started an ill-advised war, lied to congress/public and wasted an exorbitant amount of tax-payer's money; among other things. If that is not reason enough to boot his ass out, I dont know what is.

I'm not saying Kerry is all that great either, but I don't see how he could do a worse job than Bush. So I will vote for Kerry.


The U.S. will be epitomized on the day a Libertarian candidate wins the presidency.

illriginal
04-09-2004, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by kingdd
The U.S. will be epitomized on the day a Libertarian candidate wins the presidency.

The day a liberal takes over this country is the day I leave this country! We dont need some kinda drag queen loving freak running our presidency!

BigKazWSM747
04-09-2004, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by illriginal
The day a liberal takes over this country is the day I leave this country! We dont need some kinda drag queen loving freak running our presidency!

Do you even know what a libertarian is?

kingdd
04-09-2004, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
Do you even know what a libertarian is?

Obviously not.....

illriginal
04-09-2004, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
Do you even know what a libertarian is?

You're kidding right? lol let's not ask stupid questions.

BigKazWSM747
04-09-2004, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by illriginal
You're kidding right? lol let's not ask stupid questions.

No seriously, I want you to tell me what libertarians stand for and then say why you call them liberals and why you would leave if they gained power? Actually just the last part will be sufficient, if you don't want to type up the 1st half.

kingdd
04-09-2004, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by illriginal
You're kidding right? lol let's not ask stupid questions.

Please enlighten us.....

from what you said in your last post, it should be really interesting to hear your description.

illriginal
04-09-2004, 07:33 PM
simply put i just disagree with most of their views, and to ask me what's the term "liberal" mean is another stupid question, this is the net if you need help learning about such a party look it up yourself lol here: www.dictionary.com go learn something and get off the nizzos :)

kingdd
04-09-2004, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by illriginal
simply put i just disagree with most of their views, and to ask me what's the term "liberal" mean is another stupid question, this is the net if you need help learning about such a party look it up yourself lol here: www.dictionary.com go learn something and get off the nizzos :)

You truly do not know what you are talking about. I find it funny how people are so quick to run their mouths about things they know nothing about.

Heres a clue...

Liberals = Democrats

Libertarian Party = completely different from democrats almost the exact opposite.

Maybe you should take your own advice and go learn something about the party. Otherwise, shut your mouth because you sound like an idiot.

mariners216
04-09-2004, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by rookejr
My only point is, on Sept. 12th, if I had bet all of you ten thousand dollars that another attack wouldn't happen on American soil for two and a half years, ya'll would have taken it in a heart beat and you would have lost as well. Every one of you thought another attack would happen, and guess what, it hasn't. So to anybody who talks **** about Bush, thats all I have to say.
Anthrax, Ricin ring a bell..

Ak47
04-09-2004, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by kingdd
You truly do not know what you are talking about. I find it funny how people are so quick to run their mouths about things they know nothing about.

Heres a clue...

Liberals = Democrats



actually that is a common misconception, not all liberals are democrats, and not all democrats are liberals. The terms "liberal" and "conservitive" come from the french revolution.

mariners216
04-09-2004, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Ak47
actually that is a common misconception, not all liberals are democrats, and not all democrats are liberals. The terms "liberal" and "conservitive" come from the french revolution.
Okay.

Liberals (generally)= Democrats, Greens, Socialists

Conservatives (generally)= Republicans, Libertarians, Fascists

Although Libertarians could be considered the opposite of Fascists. Also the opposite of Socialists.

It gets complicated trying to say which party is the opposite of what.

irpker
04-09-2004, 11:28 PM
JFK was a democrat, but wasn't nearly as liberal as today's democrats are.

Then along came LBJ.... who's destroying America with his "Great Society" plan. This is not including that little conflict in Vietnam.

Starsky
04-09-2004, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by mariners216
Okay.

Liberals (generally)= Democrats, Greens, Socialists

Conservatives (generally)= Republicans, Libertarians, Fascists

Although Libertarians could be considered the opposite of Fascists. Also the opposite of Socialists.

It gets complicated trying to say which party is the opposite of what.


Most Conservatives believe in believe in liberty, personal responsibility, limited government, and free markets.

In what month did Conservatives start supporting an ideology which leads to a vast increase in government power? Was it February?

kingdd
04-10-2004, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by mariners216
Okay.

Liberals (generally)= Democrats, Greens, Socialists

Conservatives (generally)= Republicans, Libertarians, Fascists

Although Libertarians could be considered the opposite of Fascists. Also the opposite of Socialists.

It gets complicated trying to say which party is the opposite of what.

Yeah this is basically what I was getting at. That moron thought a liberal and a libertarian were the same thing. Being a card carrying member, I know all about it.

It is very complicated to sort all the parties into two categories. It is much easier to sort them out by where they stand on different issues. I don't like to classify myself as either Liberal or Conservative, I would rather just state my beliefs on different issues and you can draw your own conclusion from there.

Dorian
04-10-2004, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by irpker
JFK was a democrat, but wasn't nearly as liberal as today's democrats are.

Then along came LBJ.... who's destroying America with his "Great Society" plan. This is not including that little conflict in Vietnam.

The democratic party was once a great party. then over time, they lost track of their issues and beliefs, They now are something that is totally different from the era.
I once was a democrat like many here are. I was once also in my 20's pig headed and not taking anyones ****( so I thought). I have seen the years go by and the democrats have changed so much I didn't like what they were any more. I changed to republican. JFK was the man, he had it right, but alas it shall never be again.
This is why I urge people to study the past and learn what has really happened between the two. You may agree with them and go republican as I did. I may not agree on all their issues, but to me they make more sense.

rookejr
04-10-2004, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by mariners216
Anthrax, Ricin ring a bell..

If thats all you can come up with to discredit Bush's fight against terrorism, than it sounds like everything is just fine. For all we know, the anthrax was sent by some anti-government freak living in the woods somewhere. And earlier someone said that Bush has totally messed up the economy, come on, give me a break. I'm not blaming it on Clinton, but, the downward spiral had already started before Bush took office, and anyone who knows anything about the economy knows that the President has very little, if any, influence over it. Alan Greenspan has more control than anyone in the country, yet his name is very rarely brought up in the blame game. And last time I checked, all the economic indicators were up. Jobless claims are decreasing every day, jobs are slowly but surely being created, and the economic growth rate is the best its been in years.

mariners216
04-10-2004, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by rookejr
If thats all you can come up with to discredit Bush's fight against terrorism, than it sounds like everything is just fine. For all we know, the anthrax was sent by some anti-government freak living in the woods somewhere. And earlier someone said that Bush has totally messed up the economy, come on, give me a break. I'm not blaming it on Clinton, but, the downward spiral had already started before Bush took office, and anyone who knows anything about the economy knows that the President has very little, if any, influence over it. Alan Greenspan has more control than anyone in the country, yet his name is very rarely brought up in the blame game. And last time I checked, all the economic indicators were up. Jobless claims are decreasing every day, jobs are slowly but surely being created, and the economic growth rate is the best its been in years.
I'm not bringing them up to discredit Bush, I'm just showing you that you were wrong in saying

My only point is, on Sept. 12th, if I had bet all of you ten thousand dollars that another attack wouldn't happen on American soil for two and a half years, ya'll would have taken it in a heart beat and you would have lost as well. Every one of you thought another attack would happen, and guess what, it hasn't.

kingdd
04-10-2004, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by rookejr
If thats all you can come up with to discredit Bush's fight against terrorism, than it sounds like everything is just fine. For all we know, the anthrax was sent by some anti-government freak living in the woods somewhere. And earlier someone said that Bush has totally messed up the economy, come on, give me a break. I'm not blaming it on Clinton, but, the downward spiral had already started before Bush took office, and anyone who knows anything about the economy knows that the President has very little, if any, influence over it. Alan Greenspan has more control than anyone in the country, yet his name is very rarely brought up in the blame game. And last time I checked, all the economic indicators were up. Jobless claims are decreasing every day, jobs are slowly but surely being created, and the economic growth rate is the best its been in years.

I love how Bush likes to send the jobs of hardworking Americans overseas. The fact of the matter is, if you are president every aspect of the country is your responsiblity whether you have influence over it or not. That is just the way it is.

LordNeon
04-10-2004, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by irpker
JFK was a democrat, but wasn't nearly as liberal as today's democrats are.


How? In that he didn't support gay marriage?

In the 50's and 60's, the income tax was more progressive, corporations were far more tightly regulated, and the minimum wage was higher (adjusting for inflation, of couse). Kennedy established the Peace Corps, which was an expansion of government if there ever was one.

If anything, this nation was in many ways more liberal in Kennedy's time.

irpker
04-10-2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by LordNeon
How? In that he didn't support gay marriage?

In the 50's and 60's, the income tax was more progressive, corporations were far more tightly regulated, and the minimum wage was higher (adjusting for inflation, of couse). Kennedy established the Peace Corps, which was an expansion of government if there ever was one.

If anything, this nation was in many ways more liberal in Kennedy's time.

He was the more conservative democrat. His whole pre-presidential career was distancing himself from the New-Deal Tradition, and did nothing to expand government besides the Peace Corps, which only came about due to executive order, because he got no love from Congress. The Space program was for winning the propaganda war with the USSR.

Fiscally, his most remembered policy was for a cut in capital gains tax, which is now the centerpiece for the Republican economic program.

rookejr
04-10-2004, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by kingdd
I love how Bush likes to send the jobs of hardworking Americans overseas. The fact of the matter is, if you are president every aspect of the country is your responsiblity whether you have influence over it or not. That is just the way it is.

Wow, I didn't know Bush was President and head of HR for every major company in the US. Its sucks, but if companies want to send jobs overseas, thats their decision, not the governments.

Reborn79
04-10-2004, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by rookejr
Wow, I didn't know Bush was President and head of HR for every major company in the US. Its sucks, but if companies want to send jobs overseas, thats their decision, not the governments.

But the government can give insentives to those companies choosing to stay in the U.S. and employ Americans instead of outsourcing.

Right now it is opposite...corporations are essentially given tax breaks for outsourcing their labor.

Jcfreak_02
04-11-2004, 02:07 AM
I support Bush and everything that I have seen him do so far. Wait a minute, I don't support the illegal alien naturalization thing proposed but everything else I know of so far I support. That and I think Kerry is out to inadvertantly destroy the nation.

BuckWyld
04-11-2004, 09:29 AM
I would like to correct something

Democrat = conservative
Republican = ultra conservative

Reborn79
04-11-2004, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by BuckWyld
I would like to correct something

Democrat = conservative
Republican = ultra conservative

Hehe...sadly, this is true, for the most part.

kingdd
04-11-2004, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by rookejr
Wow, I didn't know Bush was President and head of HR for every major company in the US. Its sucks, but if companies want to send jobs overseas, thats their decision, not the governments.

I never said he was the head of every major company in the U.S. I simply said he dosent seem to have a problem with sending American jobs overseas.

Is that not true?




.....Thats what I thought

BigKazWSM747
04-11-2004, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by BuckWyld
I would like to correct something

Democrat = conservative
Republican = ultra conservative

no i'd put it like this:

republican- conservative/moderate
democrat- liberal/moderate/conservative (a fair number in the south I would call conservatives)

mariners216
04-11-2004, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by BigKazWSM747
no i'd put it like this:

republican- conservative/moderate
democrat- liberal/moderate/conservative (a fair number in the south I would call conservatives)
He might've been talking about worldwide conservative/liberal...democrats in this country would be considered conservative in many European countries.