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GhostfaceKillah
03-21-2004, 07:41 AM
In recent months, this board has blown up in terms of users testing new products provided by supplement companies. While we have already debated the upside (more reviews, impressions on products before release date, great opportunities for knowledgeable and hard working board members) and downside (constant bickering and whining, increased commercialism/pimping) to this influx, there are other issues at hand that I feel need to be addressed.

1. If you are chosen to be a product reviewer, it is your responsibility to the forum and to the providing company to keep up with your log. Some products lend themselves to regular updates more than others, but just because the day-to-day effects may be small doesn't mean that you shouldn't at least post impressions twice a week.

2. Eliminate variables. How are we to know how a product is working if you simultaneously up your caloric intake, change your training style, add a few days of rec basketball a week, and stack it with the brand new Product XYZ you have been dying to use. Hold off on any new supplementation, diet changes, or exercise changes until after your trial is complete.

3. Along the same lines, if you already have products lined up to review, don't go out of your way to get more. While the prospect of "freebies" is enticing, especially for those strapped for cash, keep in mind that: 1) there are other deserving individuals out there who have yet to get a product to test, 2) you should only test one product at a time, and 3) it is not fair to the community or the providing company if you have to wait 4+ weeks to legitimately review the product.

4. Keep your reviews as objective as possible. There is always the urge to pimp a product because you believe the hype or because you want to "thank" the providing company by making their product out to be the next creatine. Go into it as if you bought the product yourself and never read all of the inflated claims that came with it. Biased reviews do nothing for the community.

I am sure there are other points to be made. If you think of any, feel free to add them. Hopefully this thread will stay bumped for at least a few days so people will have the chance to read it before it drifts into obscurity with 30000 N-Large and Cell-Tech threads.

buddha
03-21-2004, 07:43 AM
great post GFK

kj2833
03-21-2004, 08:32 AM
5. I think this may be more a ph thing than anything. If you see a log taking place, this is not the place to ask them about their complete nutritional breakdown. posting calories and/or g's of protein, carbs, fat is totally acceptable. It is not a thread on how to eat. This information is available if you go and look. It ruins the threads for those of us that have to scroll through 4 pages of "i ate pb and jelly for lunch" ;) you get the picture.

dito
03-21-2004, 09:06 AM
^

Ginobili
03-21-2004, 10:57 AM
Great thread GFK.

waffles9
03-21-2004, 10:59 AM
this is all common sense. i really hope the people who review products on this board know these things

kj2833
03-21-2004, 11:01 AM
it is common sense, but props on titling the thread "tips for product testers" Hopefully they will think its tips on how to get free stuff. If they do the posts will soon hit 100,000 and immediatly crash the server.

Beast
03-21-2004, 11:09 AM
Good stuff buddy.

jhov
03-21-2004, 11:13 AM
Nice post bro!
peace
J

chris587
03-22-2004, 12:21 AM
Good post.

Fletch
03-22-2004, 05:51 AM
nice post GFK.

Add another point

5. Everyone should make a point to read my Sytenhance Feedback on the Avant Forum (and this one) for an idea of how a trial should be done. ;)

- Fletch "I've been coverted from a skeptic to a beliver"

GhostfaceKillah
03-22-2004, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by Fletch
nice post GFK.

Add another point

5. Everyone should make a point to read my Sytenhance Feedback on the Avant Forum (and this one) for an idea of how a trial should be done. ;)

- Fletch "I've been coverted from a skeptic to a believer"
Thanks. And yes, I definitely agree on point 5.

sawastea
03-22-2004, 08:27 AM
Nicely put GFK...

To reiterate:

* Keep up with your log, at least twice a week
* Eliminate changes while on your current diet/regimen. Don't fit in more supplements while doing a review for company XYZ. Keep it as plain as possible. Of course, diet is important, but adding more supplements to the mix can really alter the performance as well as a great fluctuation of calories
* Please don't let others influence you while you're doing a review. Be as candor as possible. Everyone can benefit greatly from a genuine and honest review/log

:cool:

Zachattack43
03-22-2004, 08:34 AM
also might want to mention; "beware of the placebo effect" which is why before/after measurements are important

thaprototype
03-22-2004, 11:20 AM
also please dont stack a new product with 5 other supplements ur just startin also
for example : your trying out soem new creatine , dont stack it with no2 , m1t, and diablo ......, just take the new product alone

GhostfaceKillah
03-22-2004, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by thaprototype
also please dont stack a new product with 5 other supplements ur just startin also
for example : your trying out soem new creatine , dont stack it with no2 , m1t, and diablo ......, just take the new product alone
See point number 2.

sawastea
08-17-2004, 08:43 AM
This deserves a HUGE bump






Guys, no one is benefiting from a half ass review. Please be candid, regardless if it is good or bad

pu12en12g
08-17-2004, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by zachattack43
before/after measurements are important

I agree. This is huge.

Before and after stats for the big 3 as well:

- 1RM Squat
- 1RM Deadlift
- 1RM Bench

meathead198
08-17-2004, 09:18 AM
http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f=2&t=25&

MrWiggles
08-17-2004, 09:45 AM
i think all variables should be elimanaed thoughout the test (supplements), to me this is just common sense but i still happens over annd over. i dont know if the testers are retarted, because throwing in other varible makes it no longer a valid est. am i crazy. i mean how can you claim results from one product at this point? i also think these testers should include before and after pic (this should be standard, none of this i may borrow my friends) so we can see what hapening and they wont be inclined to write down obvious bs.

MrWiggles
08-17-2004, 09:48 AM
number 2 covers my gripe.

sawastea
08-17-2004, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by MrWiggles
number 2 covers my gripe.

Besides the basics, I agree

By basics, I'm referring to multi-vitamins, EFA's, whey, food, et cetera...

The addition of AAS/PH/Thermos/etc should NOT be included.

Wiggles, I am aware of the thread in question you are talking about

MrWiggles
08-17-2004, 10:05 AM
:) i just want to see an honest review. lol. instead they start using the scape goat that i hate this company or that company, instead of confessing that they are full of it. otoh some reviews are very good. also some people you can just trust to do an honest review without a camera. unfortunately we cant seperate the good from the bad. good thread btw. im off today so ill be checking it a lot.

MrWiggles
08-17-2004, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by sawastea


Wiggles, I am aware of the thread in question you are talking about

:) oh, it happened more than once, and when i said something immediately i was the jerk. not the tester lying, but me for pointing it out. am i asking to much for honest reveiws without being labelled a trouble maker? because causing trouble here isnt my intention.

GhostfaceKillah
08-17-2004, 10:41 AM
Glad this made it back to the top. It has some good advice, even for me:


Originally posted by GhostfaceKillah

3. Along the same lines, if you already have products lined up to review, don't go out of your way to get more. While the prospect of "freebies" is enticing, especially for those strapped for cash, keep in mind that: 1) there are other deserving individuals out there who have yet to get a product to test, 2) you should only test one product at a time, and 3) it is not fair to the community or the providing company if you have to wait 4+ weeks to legitimately review the product.

I realize that recently I have violated my own rule concerning overlapping testing, and I confess. However, as explained in another thread, briefly overlapping the product I am currently reviewing with a product I will be reviewing in a week's time (LipoBurn - localized/topical fatloss agent and NO-Xplode - pre-workout creatine+NO+stimulants) should not be a problem. CEX + NO-Xplode or any fatloss product + LipoBurn I could see issues with. I most certainly took this into consideration before looking into NO-Xplode usage. Note that all other variables are being held constant (training, diet, basic supplements), and as I have yet to receive NO-Xplode, there is still the chance that there will be no overlapping whatsoever.

In nearly any other situation, overlapping products is a bad idea; thes products are in such different realms of the supplement world, however, that I believe their effects on my body should be independent.

Still, for everyone out there who wants a chance to take shots at me, though, it looks like this is a valid opportunity. :(

dito
08-17-2004, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by sawastea
Wiggles, I am aware of the thread in question you are talking about

It's all your fault. :)

sawastea
08-17-2004, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by dito
It's all your fault. :)

:o :eek:

If memory serves me right, I gave my priviledges to PROVERBS




Originally posted by GhostfaceKillah
Still, for everyone out there who wants a chance to take shots at me, though, it looks like this is a valid opportunity :(

Your reviews are perfectly fine. You're always upfront with everything and your logs are very solid. I've bought several products solely based on your reviews and I fully concur with what was said. You're my boy Blue

MrWiggles
08-17-2004, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by GhostfaceKillah


your reviews are always good and honest.

MrWiggles
08-17-2004, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by dito
It's all your fault. :)

i know. roflmao. oh im taking lipoburn and other fat burners and some androgens. those reviews crack me up. then i always get a hostile response, like it was my fault.

youngvet1
08-17-2004, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by GhostfaceKillah
Glad this made it back to the top. It has some good advice, even for me:



I realize that recently I have violated my own rule concerning overlapping testing, and I confess. However, as explained in another thread, briefly overlapping the product I am currently reviewing with a product I will be reviewing in a week's time (LipoBurn - localized/topical fatloss agent and NO-Xplode - pre-workout creatine+NO+stimulants) should not be a problem. CEX + NO-Xplode or any fatloss product + LipoBurn I could see issues with. I most certainly took this into consideration before looking into NO-Xplode usage. Note that all other variables are being held constant (training, diet, basic supplements), and as I have yet to receive NO-Xplode, there is still the chance that there will be no overlapping whatsoever.

In nearly any other situation, overlapping products is a bad idea; thes products are in such different realms of the supplement world, however, that I believe their effects on my body should be independent.

Still, for everyone out there who wants a chance to take shots at me, though, it looks like this is a valid opportunity. :(

Your lucky I was just about to call u on this :)

No worrys good luck with the testing.

VegasLife
08-17-2004, 12:10 PM
Bump

MrWiggles
08-17-2004, 12:11 PM
oh that reminds me, i dont have a problem with some of lg's products. ive bought 7 seperate ones. eric is on this board so if i disagree about something, i can debate it. i cant with most companies. so its not like ive singled him out. people are always saying i dont like lg. it gets old.

PROVERBS
08-17-2004, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by sawastea
:o :eek:

If memory serves me right, I gave my priviledges to PROVERBS


sawastea, dito was talking to wiggles....since he pointed out the m1t issue in that other test thread :)

sawastea
08-17-2004, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by PROVERBS413
sawastea, dito was talking to wiggles....since he pointed out the m1t issue in that other test thread :)

Sawastea knows. I was covering all basis



On that note, Proverbs, make me look good

PROVERBS
08-17-2004, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by sawastea
Sawastea knows

you're starting to sound like dito talking in the 3rd person :D

dito
08-17-2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by PROVERBS413
sawastea, dito was talking to wiggles....since he pointed out the m1t issue in that other test thread :)

No, I was talking to him. Since Sawastea had him on his list.

Icex999
08-17-2004, 05:05 PM
Good advice.

Harland
08-17-2004, 05:57 PM
lol coming from gfk, who is testing lipoburn and then started to test no-xplode, hehe

GhostfaceKillah
08-17-2004, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Harland
lol coming from gfk, who is testing lipoburn and then started to test no-xplode, hehe
:(

MrWiggles
08-17-2004, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by GhostfaceKillah
:(

i wouldnt sweat it, neither product is going to directly affect the other. its not like you are taking 2 fat burners or 2 no products, then telling us the results. :) x 1,000,000

Tanked
11-28-2004, 08:58 PM
bump

pu12en12g
04-20-2005, 07:01 AM
This thread deserves a big bump. :cool:

I personally broke the last part of rule # 3.... but many thanks to Matpal and Chuck for their patience.

sawastea
04-20-2005, 07:12 AM
"Anyone else noticing all the Lipo 6 threads from "NEW members ?".... VERY SUSPICIOUS"

Funny that's in your sig, pu12en12g. I PMed a mod last week asking him to do an IP check vs the HQ of Lipo-6. That one thread has about 100 posts, and over 1/3 are from one person. Very Fizogen-esque.

pu12en12g
06-06-2005, 12:45 PM
bump

^^^

GhostfaceKillah
06-06-2005, 02:58 PM
Great to see that this thread is still kicking!

chlaxman
06-06-2005, 03:02 PM
It's a good idea for many of the product testers, especially for those that are not experienced with it, to have this at the top from time to time.

PROVERBS
06-06-2005, 03:26 PM
This should be a sticky over in the supp logs section.

sawastea
06-06-2005, 04:21 PM
This should be a sticky over in the supp logs section.

Good point butterball.

Bignbuff
06-06-2005, 07:11 PM
This should be a sticky over in the supp logs section.
Done did it

:cool:

Actual Size
06-06-2005, 07:13 PM
Done did it

:cool:
Yes!! Man your such a great MOD!!!

Bignbuff
06-06-2005, 07:16 PM
Yes!! Man your such a great MOD!!!
*Sigh*

I get that a lot. ;)






Haha...JK broski, thanks. :) I do what I can.

Actual Size
06-06-2005, 07:18 PM
*Sigh*

I get that a lot. ;)






Haha...JK broski, thanks. :) I do what I can.
LOL! Okay.

GhostfaceKillah
06-06-2005, 07:27 PM
Done did it

:cool:
Excellent. Thanks.

yeahimnick
06-07-2005, 08:05 PM
In recent months, this board has blown up in terms of users testing new products provided by supplement companies. While we have already debated the upside (more reviews, impressions on products before release date, great opportunities for knowledgeable and hard working board members) and downside (constant bickering and whining, increased commercialism/pimping) to this influx, there are other issues at hand that I feel need to be addressed.

1. If you are chosen to be a product reviewer, it is your responsibility to the forum and to the providing company to keep up with your log........

This is a dumb question, but im gonna ask it anyway, does this site have ways for me to test products, or do i have to do it through the company?

GhostfaceKillah
06-08-2005, 01:49 AM
This is a dumb question, but im gonna ask it anyway, does this site have ways for me to test products, or do i have to do it through the company?
Every once in awhile, company reps who frequent the boards will ask for qualified forum members to test and review forthcoming products. Choices are generally made based on: review experience, lifting experience, age, sex, body type, training routine, diet, and knowledge. Unfortunately, this often leads to endless bickering and foulplay...

sawastea
06-08-2005, 08:28 AM
Good job Bignbuff. Wise move on your part to sticky this ;)

pu12en12g
06-08-2005, 08:31 AM
Good point butterball.

ROFLZ ! Great job with the sticky !

PROVERBS
06-08-2005, 09:11 AM
Good point butterball.
:rolleyes: ... quiet you .. :D


Done did it

:cool:
:cool: Thanks BnB

BiGDIEsel
07-12-2005, 08:55 PM
Has any one tried Optibol yet. i was wonderin if its worth it. if not what would be more preferable?

pop
07-18-2005, 07:27 AM
This deserves a HUGE bump






Guys, no one is benefiting from a half ass review. Please be candid, regardless if it is good or bad
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SK-1
08-01-2005, 05:04 PM
I'm new here and would like info on FinigenX? Pro's and con's. How do I post a new thread? Thanks guys

GhostfaceKillah
08-01-2005, 06:14 PM
I'm new here and would like info on FinigenX? Pro's and con's. How do I post a new thread? Thanks guys
1. Go to "search" at the top of the screen first. See if your questions have already been answered.
2. If they have not, go to Bodybuilding.com Forums > Supplements and click the "New Thread" button located below the Sub Forums block.

madmo11
08-15-2005, 04:31 PM
Zmass pm
ergopharm 6-oxo
pro-turnabol
vit-c
multivit
whey and creatine monohydrate

what do you think of these supplements i am thinkin about tryin

skelooth
08-16-2005, 07:47 PM
I would really like to see more people post before and after photos in their logs.

It's great and all that someone put on 20lbs to their bench, or that they lost 10 lbs on the scale... BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NOTHING! Bodybuilding is a sport of aesthetics... we ALL do this to look good and to alter/improve our physiques. (cept for maybe powerlifter...). So, why the huge lack of pictures? I want to see results, not meaningless numbers.

JamesInLA
12-15-2005, 05:55 PM
skelooth, I completely agree about the pics - a log is near useless without them - but I have a serious peeve with those who don't provide the not-so-meaningless numbers, and on a regular basis. E.g., "I think my BF is about 13% but I'll find out before the end of the log." Great, thanks, that helps.

Dallas68
12-22-2005, 08:00 AM
good post makes sense! :)

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KeyHAWK
03-23-2006, 06:03 AM
I would really like to see more people post before and after photos in their logs.
Me too.

coachB
04-25-2006, 09:39 AM
hydroxycut stacked with x-factor? is this worth trying?

Zachattack43
04-25-2006, 10:52 AM
hydroxycut stacked with x-factor? is this worth trying?
no its not and FYI, this is the wrong thread to ask that. Start a new one or do some research, its your first post, so you have LOTS of reading around here to do

mpjaggi
05-13-2006, 11:01 PM
[i Am Doing Bodybuilding For The Last One Year But I Am Not Getting Any Satisfactory Results. I Am Not Getting Proper Cuts In Biceps And Massgain.
My Age Is 40 .height-5"7"inch. My Body Weightis 90kg.
I Am Taking Weighprotein Along With Creatine. Regularly.
Please Tell Me About Proper Intake Of Supplements Along With Proper Diet,

Brock Lesnar11
05-19-2006, 11:28 PM
Hi i wanted to know if Nitro T3 is steriods or not thank you :)
ps IM Pretty New to this lol

Zachattack43
05-20-2006, 03:34 PM
Hi i wanted to know if Nitro T3 is steriods or not thank you :)
ps IM Pretty New to this lol
yea you really are NEW, go use the SEARCH FUNCTION to find your answer, ALWAYS use it to find your answers, because believe it or not this forum has been around since 2001 and every question you can think of is in there

BTW - you are 15, you dont need supplements. You need to be reading the nutrition and workout forums, forget this section

built09
06-12-2006, 12:01 AM
bumpy

bigreg
06-27-2006, 07:56 PM
hey guys how are ya. i may be in the wrong thread but i need to know about these two products. 2 questions. One how good is methyl 1-alpha. After methyl 1-p was taken off the market. Secondly, could you stack methyl 1-alpha with halo-50. halo-50 is a cousin to the real over the counter haol that was taken off the shelf. Would someone who is knowlegable let school me in this matter. thanks. big reg.

DaBammer
06-27-2006, 10:34 PM
This thread is great, thanks guys!

boyscouT
06-30-2006, 09:07 PM
Awesome thread!

1313
07-18-2006, 04:26 AM
great post!!!

soccernut
08-11-2006, 03:16 PM
About 2 months ago (June 13) I shattered my clavical playing football requiring surgery. By the looks of my x-rays Tim Allen must have been in the operating room, one metal strip & 7 screws.... At the time I was 215 lbs and taking Tridenosen H, ephedra, and asprin to drop some weight for soccer season. I continued while laid up in my sling for 4 weeks then started to slowly work-out again.

AT 6 WEEKS: I realigned my supplements adding Anabolic X-Factor, Formadrol extreme, Dynadrol, BioSynergy IGF-1, Cider Vinigar tablets and switched from ephedra to Fizogen Lean tabs, and alternate from BSN NO-Xplode with MAN Body Octane and added Glutamine powder.

I was back to playing soccer in with minimal discomfort from the running and bumping.

I have dropped to 192 lbs added almost 1/2 inch to my arms and legs. My chest and shoulders are coming back quick and my back is right where it was before I was injured.

It's now early August I am back to doing my full workout routine I am packing hard solid muscle and smokin kids half my age on the field.

robalpha16
08-25-2006, 03:17 PM
There is a new supplement company called "Pure Nutrition" they are putting out the best protien powder on the market. This is real stuff, not filled with sweeteners, or fillers like all the rest of the crap out there. Has anyone else tried this stuff? I'm a trainer, and am obtaining my degree in Kinesiology and trust me, this stuff is for real. Hopefully Bodybuilding.com will start carrying this stuff.

ernandes_83
08-26-2006, 04:39 AM
hi
iwana ask about some thing but i dont know who`s to ask about this- i wana know if i can take (Higher Power ZMA)and (ErgoPharm 6-OXO) at same time together in traning days???! if any body know the answer plaese email me on (ernandes_83@hotmail.com)

bigbridrol
10-24-2006, 07:50 AM
Ok quick question.

what are we supposed to do with products won? i recently won a product however i am allready scheduled to test another one (product won was unpredictably won).

Does it require a full log, or is a review ok?

boyscouT
10-24-2006, 10:07 AM
Ok quick question.

what are we supposed to do with products won? i recently won a product however i am allready scheduled to test another one (product won was unpredictably won).

Does it require a full log, or is a review ok?
Talk to the company you won the product from.

user4694231326
12-03-2006, 07:08 PM
This is an EXCELLENT thread.

GFK, *Salute*

user4694231326
12-03-2006, 07:37 PM
2. Eliminate variables. How are we to know how a product is working if you simultaneously up your caloric intake, change your training style, add a few days of rec basketball a week, and stack it with the brand new Product XYZ you have been dying to use. Hold off on any new supplementation, diet changes, or exercise changes until after your trial is complete.

3. Along the same lines, if you already have products lined up to review, don't go out of your way to get more. While the prospect of "freebies" is enticing, especially for those strapped for cash, keep in mind that: 1) there are other deserving individuals out there who have yet to get a product to test, 2) you should only test one product at a time, and 3) it is not fair to the community or the providing company if you have to wait 4+ weeks to legitimately review the product.

I fully agreed with these rules. Testing 3 ~ 4 NEW supplements at the same time (or introducing them simultaneously) into the system is a NO NO. One would not know clearly which supplement is contributing to the physique improvement.

It's common sense that not to make the supplement company wait a couple of weeks for a review. The supplement is provided free for review and out of respect to the company, individuals should plan to start the log right away.

Just my 2 cents worth of opinions.

12gymmy
12-25-2006, 08:34 AM
Great posts indeed!

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mbfla
01-19-2007, 09:00 AM
hey there!
talked with some guys at the gym where i work out.. 3 of 4 of them
said that whey powder is a part of their daily supplement work (i'm
there more for cardio and resistance to stay in shape; more of them
are into sculpting and bulkinging up, true bodybuilding)... at least 4
of the guys said they had digestive issues and it seems like lactose
intolerance is a big part of it! a doctor friend of mine says we all
get lactose intolerant as we get older and that cow's milk is for baby cows!
he has a point... so.. as we look at our supplements.. he said to make sure we get enough calcium WITH vitamin D.. not to forget D.. and if digestive probs, to cut out mixing whey with milk for a week or two and see if problems persist... good advice, i'd think...

Zachattack43
03-28-2007, 06:00 PM
Hello everyone. I have been viewing the posting back and forth and would like to give my two cents. Many supplements on the market are worthless or just downright dangerous. Please don't be naive and think that gaining 25 pounds of muscle in just 6,7,8 weeks is natural or good for you. Your body is not intended to do that. Personally, I have tried many strategies and products on the market, and the two that have worked best for me are ?The Truth about Muscle Building? and ?No Nonsense Muscle Building?. Both bodybuilders I respect and know on a fairly personal level. I trust each of them, and have followed both of their strategies with great success. They aren?t just selling another product. If your wanting to add some serious size, as well as change up your thinking, I suggest either one. Their links are below. These are not easy programs to follow, but if your dedicated, you will achieve results!

http://neeltrdco.nononsense.hop.**************
http://neeltrdco.seannal.hop.**************/

thanks for the spam, this is all you are doing!!

hostuz
04-13-2007, 02:14 AM
Hey New To This, Just Wanted To Know What Draining The Body Means.does That Mean To Try To Supress Most Of The Water In The Body Out...if So How Is That Done...

Kelvinlonestar
05-11-2007, 02:43 PM
Is it necessary to load the first week of use for some of these supplements?
Well my thoughts are I've never loaded any and I haven't used much but I've also made gains without loading that first week. Maybe I would have made more gains by loading. If any one could answer this thought, please do so.

jtfootball2007
06-15-2007, 10:43 PM
good deal

DriverDan
07-08-2007, 05:32 PM
Since it got brought up in another thread might as well bump this.

Moody101
07-30-2007, 08:32 PM
wats going on.. this the first time i signed up to any forum. just for one damn. Halodrol Liquid gels. excellent, excellent. Methyl 1D excellent excellent. 17 Hd a lil hesitant abt it. Just started it only been on it for one day. as for as intensity good but iam hearing lots of negatives. iqm takin novedex xt because i just finsihed methyl 1D so iam using it as a posy cycle. i just want to know is 17Hd worth taking. iam taking it with Novedex. not just to stack but to keep my test levels stable and high.. any information will be appreciated thanx.

DriverDan
07-30-2007, 08:59 PM
wats going on.. this the first time i signed up to any forum. just for one damn. Halodrol Liquid gels. excellent, excellent. Methyl 1D excellent excellent. 17 Hd a lil hesitant abt it. Just started it only been on it for one day. as for as intensity good but iam hearing lots of negatives. iqm takin novedex xt because i just finsihed methyl 1D so iam using it as a posy cycle. i just want to know is 17Hd worth taking. iam taking it with Novedex. not just to stack but to keep my test levels stable and high.. any information will be appreciated thanx.
Take that BS elsewhere, it has nothing to do with this thread.

JFrye
08-15-2007, 01:19 PM
Is methyl 1d good? Ive heard both good and bad things about it. I have heard that it gives the user "severe acne" all over their body. I do not know if this is true or not. Could someone please help me?

DriverDan
08-15-2007, 02:53 PM
Is methyl 1d good? Ive heard both good and bad things about it. I have heard that it gives the user "severe acne" all over their body. I do not know if this is true or not. Could someone please help me?
WTF is with newbies asking questions in this thread? GO ELSEWHERE!

JFrye
08-15-2007, 04:08 PM
WTF is with newbies asking questions in this thread? GO ELSEWHERE!

You know what im not goin anywhere. I can gain mass without steroids unlike you dickweed.

DriverDan
08-16-2007, 08:46 AM
You know what im not goin anywhere. I can gain mass without steroids unlike you dickweed.
What are you talking about? If you have a problem with me send a PM, don't add this BS to a useful thread that has NOTHING to do with what you're discussing. NEGGED

scorpio1990
09-27-2007, 07:17 AM
hi i am currently undergoing a cycle ov methyl 1-test , however i am only 16 and all the sites i have been on say that you shouldnt use them untill 18 :S ... could anyone give me any advice as i would like to keep taking them as i have recived no side efects yet ... wb thankyoo scorpio

Skull Crusher Chris
09-27-2007, 07:37 AM
hi i am currently undergoing a cycle ov methyl 1-test , however i am only 16 and all the sites i have been on say that you shouldnt use them untill 18 :S ... could anyone give me any advice as i would like to keep taking them as i have recived no side efects yet ... wb thankyoo scorpio

Wow, glad you posted this in the right thread and section:rolleyes:

Zachattack43
09-27-2007, 08:30 AM
hi i am currently undergoing a cycle ov methyl 1-test , however i am only 16 and all the sites i have been on say that you shouldnt use them untill 18 :S ... could anyone give me any advice as i would like to keep taking them as i have recived no side efects yet ... wb thankyoo scorpio

you are kidding, so you can look inside your own body and determine if its functioning right? congrats on shutting down your test levels and possibly stunting your growth due to an imbalance.

Giggety Giggety
09-27-2007, 08:35 AM
you are kidding, so you can look inside your own body and determine if its functioning right? congrats on shutting down your test levels and possibly stunting your growth due to an imbalance.

Seems like a troll...

scorpio1990
09-29-2007, 11:40 AM
what do you guys suggest i do and are there any other methods of gerrin the same restuls ?

Skull Crusher Chris
09-29-2007, 12:47 PM
what do you guys suggest i do and are there any other methods of gerrin the same restuls ?

........


Wow, glad you posted this in the right thread and section:rolleyes:

;)

JHICKS3301
09-29-2007, 01:23 PM
^^ Lol

Aussie Glenn
10-06-2007, 05:53 PM
In regard to supplements many athletes search for the Holy Grail. If they compete then they are most likely looking for something that is competition legal and will provide them the edge. There is no Holy Grail. We are all different in our genetics and our responses to exercise, diet, and supplements. However, we need not look too far to seek good solid nutritional benefits from inexpensive sources. Whey Protein Isolate is an essential part of an athletes diet along with a good balance of lean meats, fruit and vegetables. But the intake of Omega 3s is something often neglected by athletes and this is to their detriment.

Omega 3s (Fish Oils - Superunsaturated Fatty Acids) facilitate Muscle Growth (when used in conjunction with Isotonic Exercise) - due to their ability to increase nitrogen retention. Fish Oils protect Muscle Fibres from the toxic effects (catabolism) caused by the stress associated with intensive exercise. People consuming fish oils have reduced creatine phosphokinase levels following intensive exercise compared to persons not consuming fish oils (creatine phosphokinase is a biomarker of exercise-induced damage to muscle fibres (Konig, D. A., et al. Essential fatty acids, immune function, and exercise. Exercise Immunology Review. 3:1-31, 1997).

Flax Seed Oil is another great supplement. It shortens the time necessary for fatigued muscles to recover after exertion. Studies have also shown that Flax Seed Oil may improve athletic performance. This is due to Alpha-linolenic acid (the major constituent of flax seed oil) and its ability to enhance oxygen usage and energy transformation, two activities required for optimal athletic performance. Athletes seeking to increase their energy output are advised to ensure that their intake of alpha-linolenic acid (from flax seed oil) is optimal. Some athletes using supplemental alpha-linolenic acid from flax seed oil report improvement in their athletic performance (Luoma, T. C. Essential fatty acids. Muscle Media. 64:62-68, 1997)

So you really cant go past Fish Oil and Flaxseed Oil as key dietary requirements.

Skull Crusher Chris
10-06-2007, 05:56 PM
^^^^LMAO WTF?!?!!?


It's not even really spam LOL

kent.rp
10-13-2007, 01:11 PM
great post

Dallas68
10-13-2007, 05:07 PM
lol... stil waiting for my USP stuff...been about 3-4 years :)

not too long

no pain
10-30-2007, 09:07 PM
dose any one have any feedback on 17hydroxy mesterone i have brain damage and eppilepsey is it still safe to take it with this condition.

DriverDan
10-31-2007, 02:58 PM
dose any one have any feedback on 17hydroxy mesterone i have brain damage and eppilepsey is it still safe to take it with this condition.
Does your brain damage keep you from creating a new thread where your question belongs?

no pain
10-31-2007, 08:23 PM
Does your brain damage keep you from creating a new thread where your question belongs?

do the steroids your taking prevent you from answering a question or are they pro sarcasm pills I'm new so i don't now where to post yet but thanks for the pointer roid rage.

The_x1
11-08-2007, 04:04 AM
****!

The_x1
11-08-2007, 04:10 AM
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dramboistic
11-28-2007, 03:50 AM
now we all know that a supplement is a fule for a chieselled body.so it is only befitting that a right supplement is chosen. yesterday in afternun i saw a programme on supplements on www.alloftv.com.

cain666
12-15-2007, 03:14 AM
how can i become a product tester for prohormone

kbeezy
12-20-2007, 01:57 PM
good post

josebnz
02-07-2008, 02:31 AM
does anyone know anything abou tren Xtreme? if so? what do u think of it... and do u know if it is military legal... thanx!

pty507
02-29-2008, 09:27 AM
i would like to know if any of u have any experience withe the Beast nutrition super test ..or with the animal test from universal .. which one is better???

Zachattack43
03-17-2008, 01:32 PM
I have used Nitric oxide with various companies in the uk and usa.

The one that has given me huge pumps is by Ultimate-nutrition in the uk. Try it guys it really works.

I have also used their Advanced protein - peptide bonded with good results and it tastes great. I dont get bored with it at all

Dude, wrong thread!

Skyy
03-19-2008, 02:52 PM
B - Bumping...
U - Up...
M - (i got nothing here)
P - (nothin here either, oh well)

Mpons22
04-11-2008, 01:00 AM
Whats up, I just became a member because I have been working out for 2 strong dedicated years and I have kept up with peoples blogs and what they were taken at the time. I love playin basketball and football, Play football in the winter and in the spring its all about basketball. I eat healthy and I hate fast foods or any type of food that is not good for the body. I stay away from liqour but time to time I incorporated herbs if you know what I mean. I just finished a cycle of Hemobolin 250, also took a liver protector and stacked up on the right foods, 3 shakes a day, amino acids, and a hard work out. The Hemobolin gave me great lean gains and I gained 10lbs from 180 to 190 just what I wanted. Now I'm taking a PCT Novedex xt, some people I know told me it was a good product after a roid cycle and they looked stupid ripped and thats what I'm looking for as the summer comes close. Last month I wanted to rack up just 10lbs, I wanna be ripped for the summer, right now I have good mass and good def. low water retention but my body can be tighter, but I want that good tight to go along with lean mass. I'm getting there but if any one is reading this write back so we can discuss.

DriverDan
04-11-2008, 06:00 AM
I don't get it. Why do all the stupidest newbies post random stuff in THIS thread?

Mpons22
04-11-2008, 12:09 PM
I know you ain't talking about me little *****, get ya weight up not ya hate up estrogen bitch *****....

Mpons22
04-11-2008, 12:16 PM
I'm new to this so if I'm in the wrong spot let me know just don't start talking **** esp. If you a little man like ur self 5'5 and your 26 thats pretty damm sad. My cousin is 13 and he is 6'5, all the men in my fam. are 6 feet and up, must suck to look up to women lmfao....

DriverDan
04-11-2008, 05:12 PM
I love being short. Tall people suck.

Mpons22
04-14-2008, 03:11 PM
LOL I mean ain't nothin wrong with it, you pretty ripped but If I were you I'd put on 10 - 15 pounds, U would look like a running back...

nayr0010
04-28-2008, 05:32 PM
Hey guys to bought halovar and was wondering when was a good time to take it. post lunch or pre-workout?

corytash
04-30-2008, 07:05 PM
Your lucky I was just about to call u on this :)

No worrys good luck with the testing.

I'm glad someone was paying attention on that quote. I've tried overlapping on N.O. Xplode, and I don't think it's worth it. The reason why you cycle the stuff is because how potent it is. Be careful when you experiment.

Rock out

BigC21308
05-04-2008, 07:02 AM
I got a 60 capsule bottle of Decabolen from CTD. I thougth it was real good for recovery and strength gains were very consistent. It also increased my stamina and aerobic/cardio capacity. Personally I was not bulking when I had been on it. The lean mass gains were good and it helped to solidify very well. I'm sure with enough calories it wouldn't be too hard to use this for bulking, but I really enjoyed it for coming off of my bulking phase. No water retention. I have been off of it for about 2 and a half weeks and I can still feel it kick in in the gym. Goinjg to follow up with Novedex, then I'll probably do it again combined with their Winodrol...

kingkasper
05-19-2008, 10:05 AM
when are the best times to take my protein shakes? i'm currently taking no-xplode before my workouts, but i know some guys say you should take protein 30-45 min before a workouts and i don't think you can take both at the same exact time. any adivce guys?

Newpher1
05-27-2008, 11:05 AM
NO XPLODE
Bench 1rm - 215 jumped to 265
Squat 1rm - 275 jumped to 375
Deadlift 1rm - 250 jumped tp 335

already tested the product, oh it works =]

onlinema
05-27-2008, 08:27 PM
Your lucky I was just about to call u on this :)

No worrys good luck with the testing.

yeah agree with that, your are so lucky



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damael25
05-31-2008, 10:25 PM
I'm interested in becoming a product tester. I understand exactly what you're saying and I agree 100%. How can i got about getting involved with the testing?

jdawg159753
06-01-2008, 02:32 PM
pre-workout:
2 androbolix pills (daily dosage)
black powder
6 nitrace pill form (daily dosage)

post workout:
50g ON 100% WHEY protein
3 scoops Muscletech Anabolic HALO

I am almost through my first tub of Anabolic Halo and half way through my first cycle of Androbolix Testosterone Amplifiers. Basically my goal is to put on massive size asap without taking harmful supplements. I also own ISS Re-Satr8 creatine but have not been taking it because it upsets my stomach to take creatine the anabolic halo and protein all post-workout and have it all sit in my stomach.

What do you guys think about what I am currently taking? Please help me out with suggestions on what supplements I could change up or add into my program. My main goal is to put as much muscle mass on as possible especially in my arms and also wants to get a strong, cut core/stomach. Would a fat burner be efficient and safe to add in?

cartercjb
06-29-2008, 12:19 PM
hey i have a few questions... im new to these supplements and i wanted to make sure i knew what i was doing before i started taking them.. if i do.. i play sports and im gonna b a junior this year. so i wanna make sure none of these supplements r going to make my joints weak or just overall make me lose some athleticism. I've read that creatine is one of the big supplements out there. Would that hurt me? like would that decrease my agility or anything like that? I already take 3 different dietary substances just to help me for when i run and already workout... so any suggestions??

jdawg159753
07-01-2008, 07:24 PM
I will be starting a dianabol cycle soon and would like to see what you guys think about it. I also have a couple of questions about some supplements to take with it so I would really appreciate it for any informational feedback.

I will be taking the following amount of dbol each day for 8 weeks along with approx. 750-1000mg milk thistle each day running during cycle to help out my liver.

week 1- 10mg per day
week 2- 20mg per day
week 3- 30mg per day
week 4- 40mg per day
week 5- 40mg per day
week 6- 30mg per day
week 7- 20mg per day
week 8- 10mg per day

for my diet I will be consuming around 150-200g protein daily including lean meats, fruits, etc. for meals.

I was planning on starting an otc e-blocker around week 4 to reduce aromatizing and estrogen build up in my body. I heard 6-oxo was a good product i was also thinking about novedex xt mainly for the antiestrogen. i also heard about a discontinued product called viratase but since it was discontinued is there anything generic for that or similiar?

what do you guys think about either of those or would u advise a different one and if so which one?

starting asap after I finish my 8th week i was planning to start an otc pct since I am unable to get any nolva or clomid or anything illegal. I was thinking about the otc Anabolic Xtreme Advanced PCT supplement sold at my local health store.

I have done some minimal research and have heard alot of mixed opinions on otc pcts so any advice on any pcts in peticular or any comments on the one I have picked out?

MAINLY my reasons for this post are:
1: how does my dianabol pyramid intake look?
2: what, if any, e-blocker / antiestrogen should I use during cycle?
3: what pct or multiple pcts should I use after ending cycle?

PLEASE send any and all opinions on how this looks.
If you have any other questions or comments that you might be able to help me with you can e-mail me at jdawg15975312@yahoo.com

brucegg
07-03-2008, 08:15 PM
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xxb3cc1xx
07-22-2008, 08:47 AM
hi
wondered if any1 could help..

iv taken my first amphetalean capsule today and was wondering if it was ok for me to take it.
most reviews on it i have read are from body-building men.
i am a woman and not interested in body building and am using the suppliment for fat loss, i am dieting and excersizing.

took my first tablet and my vision is effected. i feel like i am slightly light headed like a minor migraine without the headache. and wondered if that was ok as i not used to the supplimenrt yet hence only my first tablet.

im worried that this is only for body building men.. will it help me?
x

ksujosh6
07-22-2008, 11:03 AM
hi
wondered if any1 could help..

iv taken my first amphetalean capsule today and was wondering if it was ok for me to take it.
most reviews on it i have read are from body-building men.
i am a woman and not interested in body building and am using the suppliment for fat loss, i am dieting and excersizing.

took my first tablet and my vision is effected. i feel like i am slightly light headed like a minor migraine without the headache. and wondered if that was ok as i not used to the supplimenrt yet hence only my first tablet.

im worried that this is only for body building men.. will it help me?
x

see other posting of this for the answer...it is safe for females but please check my other post

MsFit Chef
08-01-2008, 12:21 PM
The original post for "Tips for Product Testers" was good.
Very informative and helpful even though it was written in 2004.
The information still applies today.

jinchoy
08-11-2008, 07:04 PM
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LIMEY1
08-14-2008, 05:11 PM
Supplements Are The Way To True Growth And Long Lasting Strength
Theres More To Great Fitness And An Awesome Physiques Than Steriods!
Supplements And Proper Sleeping And Eating Paternts Are Far More Important Than Any Short Cut Like Steriods!
One Great Supplement Company I Have Found Is Called Magnum There Listed In The Bb.com Store They Sell Pharmacutical Gade Nutrients At Other Supplement Company Rates But Your Getting No Filler With Them ...all Full Strength....power Blasting Pumps.....it Is An Awesome Company...if You Like Supplements You Have Nothing To Lose But The Belief In Other Companies Lies!!!!
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Thats The Way I See It...


Chris M Mills

JakeDub
08-14-2008, 06:48 PM
Supplements Are The Way To True Growth And Long Lasting Strength
Theres More To Great Fitness And An Awesome Physiques Than Steriods!
Supplements And Proper Sleeping And Eating Paternts Are Far More Important Than Any Short Cut Like Steriods!
One Great Supplement Company I Have Found Is Called Magnum There Listed In The Bb.com Store They Sell Pharmacutical Gade Nutrients At Other Supplement Company Rates But Your Getting No Filler With Them ...all Full Strength....power Blasting Pumps.....it Is An Awesome Company...if You Like Supplements You Have Nothing To Lose But The Belief In Other Companies Lies!!!!
"this Magnum Stuff Rocks"!!!!
Thats The Way I See It...


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ZAYD
08-23-2008, 02:03 AM
I am new here, i am well informed on this thread. guys keep it up, it a pleasure to be part of this community.

Brodeur3o
08-27-2008, 01:13 AM
Solid advice and research, Does anyone stack No Explode with anything for postworkout recovery?

askhakwani
09-04-2008, 06:34 AM
hi, every body, i just want to know about the supplements that are good for me as i am newbie to this field. Thanks

bigbadwolf162004
09-04-2008, 03:51 PM
Glad this made it back to the top. It has some good advice, even for me:



I realize that recently I have violated my own rule concerning overlapping testing, and I confess. However, as explained in another thread, briefly overlapping the product I am currently reviewing with a product I will be reviewing in a week's time (LipoBurn - localized/topical fatloss agent and NO-Xplode - pre-workout creatine+NO+stimulants) should not be a problem. CEX + NO-Xplode or any fatloss product + LipoBurn I could see issues with. I most certainly took this into consideration before looking into NO-Xplode usage. Note that all other variables are being held constant (training, diet, basic supplements), and as I have yet to receive NO-Xplode, there is still the chance that there will be no overlapping whatsoever.

In nearly any other situation, overlapping products is a bad idea; thes products are in such different realms of the supplement world, however, that I believe their effects on my body should be independent.

Still, for everyone out there who wants a chance to take shots at me, though, it looks like this is a valid opportunity. :(
I am wondering how i can get on the log scene. Ive been training different various ways and i have even went as far as working out 2 a days and i try to get as much sleep as possible. I really want to try to do a prohormone stack i did a md1t stack by itself to try it out and i wasnt impressed but its probably the lack of a good diet that messed me up. now i have a good diet and if i dont im glad to take any suggestions. I will post everything from the time i wake up and the time i sleep. How much i weigh but the only thing is seeing im in the military i do not know how to go get my test levels. If you could respond id greatly appreciate it. im always on this site but i recently just remembered my password lol. tnx.

MBSowards
09-05-2008, 06:24 PM
What the fck is this thread?

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AcostaJ30
09-17-2008, 09:04 PM
is steroid-club.com a legit site to buy real roids? if not then give me some real sites.. thanks

MBSowards
09-17-2008, 09:05 PM
is steroid-club.com a legit site to buy real roids? if not then give me some real sites.. thanks

lol, 1) it would be stupid if you could buy legit steroids from ANY site with steroids in the title...

and 2) you're 18.

k1484
09-18-2008, 03:59 PM
If i take true mass can it harm my health. I am starting of bodybuilding and wanted to know can true mass damge my liver or kidneys or insides?

thaifighter88
09-20-2008, 11:45 PM
can someone tell if bsn nitrix is a good product to use and how should i take it

jomio
10-06-2008, 05:24 AM
These supplements are really harmful to our body.Do they really use some drug in it.Give some advice.
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willski
10-10-2008, 06:03 AM
Bodybuilding.com refuses to send me the HPLC test results for their "Higher Power Micronized" creatine that they sell. The HPLC results basically state what exact percentage of Creatinine, Dicyandiamide, Dihydrotriazine and Sodium is inside their product.
Their rep by the name of Carved Chris told me that they don't have those results for me and that I should get it Directly from the company.
Their reps don't even know what company they are working for, because as a matter of fact.. Bodybuilding.com owns Higher Power Products. Well, guess what? he never returned my email.
I reported Bodybuilding.com to the Better Business Bureau after almost 3 weeks of run around emails, and Bodybuilding.com not providing me with the report.
Should you buy from a company who claim to sell quality products at a cheap price but does not tell the consumer what is in the product? Not me!










In recent months, this board has blown up in terms of users testing new products provided by supplement companies. While we have already debated the upside (more reviews, impressions on products before release date, great opportunities for knowledgeable and hard working board members) and downside (constant bickering and whining, increased commercialism/pimping) to this influx, there are other issues at hand that I feel need to be addressed.

1. If you are chosen to be a product reviewer, it is your responsibility to the forum and to the providing company to keep up with your log. Some products lend themselves to regular updates more than others, true (ie, prohormones), but just because the day-to-day effects may be small doesn't mean that you shouldn't at least post impressions twice a week.

2. Eliminate variables. How are we to know how a product is working if you simultaneously up your caloric intake, change your training style, add a few days of rec basketball a week, and stack it with the brand new Product XYZ you have been dying to use. Hold off on any new supplementation, diet changes, or exercise changes until after your trial is complete.

3. Along the same lines, if you already have products lined up to review, don't go out of your way to get more. While the prospect of "freebies" is enticing, especially for those strapped for cash, keep in mind that: 1) there are other deserving individuals out there who have yet to get a product to test, 2) you should only test one product at a time, and 3) it is not fair to the community or the providing company if you have to wait 4+ weeks to legitimately review the product.

4. Keep your reviews as objective as possible. There is always the urge to pimp a product because you believe the hype or because you want to "thank" the providing company by making their product out to be the next creatine. Go into it as if you bought the product yourself and never read all of the inflated claims that came with it. Biased reviews do nothing for the community.

I am sure there are other points to be made. If you think of any, feel free to add them. Hopefully this thread will stay bumped for at least a few days so people will have the chance to read it before it drifts into obscurity with 30000 N-Large and Cell-Tech threads.

willski
10-10-2008, 06:04 AM
Bodybuilding.com refuses to send me the HPLC test results for their "Higher Power Micronized" creatine that they sell. The HPLC results basically state what exact percentage of Creatinine, Dicyandiamide, Dihydrotriazine and Sodium is inside their product.
Their rep by the name of Carved Chris told me that they don't have those results for me and that I should get it Directly from the company.
Their reps don't even know what company they are working for, because as a matter of fact.. Bodybuilding.com owns Higher Power Products. Well, guess what? he never returned my email.
I reported Bodybuilding.com to the Better Business Bureau after almost 3 weeks of run around emails, and Bodybuilding.com not providing me with the report.
Should you buy from a company who claim to sell quality products at a cheap price but does not tell the consumer what is in the product? Not me!






These supplements are really harmful to our body.Do they really use some drug in it.Give some advice.
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willski
10-10-2008, 06:05 AM
Bodybuilding.com refuses to send me the HPLC test results for their "Higher Power Micronized" creatine that they sell. The HPLC results basically state what exact percentage of Creatinine, Dicyandiamide, Dihydrotriazine and Sodium is inside their product.
Their rep by the name of Carved Chris told me that they don't have those results for me and that I should get it Directly from the company.
Their reps don't even know what company they are working for, because as a matter of fact.. Bodybuilding.com owns Higher Power Products. Well, guess what? he never returned my email.
I reported Bodybuilding.com to the Better Business Bureau after almost 3 weeks of run around emails, and Bodybuilding.com not providing me with the report.
Should you buy from a company who claim to sell quality products at a cheap price but does not tell the consumer what is in the product? Not me!












can someone tell if bsn nitrix is a good product to use and how should i take it

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10-18-2008, 12:37 AM
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10-25-2008, 05:30 PM
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KevDec26
10-30-2008, 07:19 AM
im 6'1 200 lbs. I just bought nitrix the other day and im going to start it on monday. im using it cuz i need something to motivate me because i go the gym by myself. i want to use it to get cut not to get alot bigger. what do i have to do. If i stay on a healthy diet and do cardio will that work. need some advice

1301486
11-03-2008, 08:45 AM
Agree that supplements should not be a substitute for hardwork, training and proper nutrition.

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11-05-2008, 01:54 PM
im 6'1 200 lbs. I just bought nitrix the other day and im going to start it on monday. im using it cuz i need something to motivate me because i go the gym by myself. i want to use it to get cut not to get alot bigger. what do i have to do. If i stay on a healthy diet and do cardio will that work. need some advice
BSN NITRIX, ALL OF BSN PRODUCTS ARE RECOMENDED! NITRIX WILL DEFINATELY GIVE YOU THAT ADDED MOTIVATION. I WOULD STACK WITH N.O. PLODE AND CELL MASS. DON'T FORGET THE PROTIEN ALSO! BE CAREFUL NO TO ENGAGE INTO TOO MUCH CARDIO IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A STRONG MUSCLUR MASS. MAYBE CARDIO OR CROSSTRIANING THREE TIMES A WEEK.

Fabiobeicolas
11-11-2008, 06:35 AM
any recomend anythingspecial...im using nitro tech hardcore at the mo tacking it in the b4 workout and after,,any ideas on what to mix it up?with anyone:::and what do u take and when do u take it::::

siva12
11-13-2008, 03:16 PM
Thanks dude.I will keep it in mind.Keep up the good work.
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11-14-2008, 02:47 AM
There's a lot of critisism about these products, however, I purchased them anyway and 1 week into the cyle.

Start date of cycle November 4, 2008.
Age: 20
Weight: Before use of PH 185lbs
After use of PH ______ . (let u guys know when I'm done).
Bodyfat: 6%

So far, crazy pumps in the gym. Strength has increased slightly, however, its only been 1 week, so that might be to premature. No side effects yet. I do get angry a lot faster though. No lethargy, which is great.

Diet:

-Whey Isolate: 69 grams of protein, 3 times daily. Morning, Post Workout, Before Bed.
-5-6 meals a daily.
-Breakfeast: 6 eggs with milk and cheese and bread.
-Snack: protein shake.
-Lunch: Chicken Fillet (50g protein).
-Snack: Steak sandwich w/ protein shake.
-Dinner: Chicken Fillter (50g protein) w/ Brown Rice.
-Snack: protein shake.

Not the greatest diet out there, but working out good for my goals of adding more mass.

More updates and pictures to come soon..

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CARLO07
11-23-2008, 07:16 AM
Start date of cycle November 4, 2008.
Age: 20
Weight: Before use of PH 185lbs
After use of PH ______ . (let u guys know when I'm done).
Bodyfat: 6%

Date as of now: November 23, 2000.

-Feel great. Weight is up to 194 lbs! Pumps are insane, sometimes almost too much...i get a feeling like my arms are gonna explode.
-9lb increase (mostly lean muscle, i naturally have very low bodyfat.) No bloating at all.
-Bench: increase 20lbs.
-Deadlift increase 30 lbs.
-Squat increase 25 lbs.
-Arms looking fuller and harder, very dense look. Waiting till the end to see results in arm increase. Arms starting were 15 1/2 almost 16 inches.

Diet: just added tuna to diet to increase protein intake.

-Whey Isolate: 69 grams of protein, 3 times daily. Morning, Post Workout, Before Bed.
-5-6 meals a daily.
-Breakfeast: 6 eggs with milk and cheese and bread. Can of tuna.
-Snack: protein shake.
-Lunch: Chicken Fillet (50g protein).
-Snack: Steak sandwich w/ protein shake.
-Dinner: Chicken Fillter (50g protein) w/ Brown Rice.
-Snack: protein shake.
-Midnight snack: can of tuna.

-Cycles going great. Proper sleep between 8-9 hours. Still no lethargy for me. Sense of well-being increased as well. Get back to u guys with more updates soon.

chenknights
11-30-2008, 09:49 PM
For me, products from here are truly amazing. I have only tried two of them. But after some months of gym hopping, I've found out more people are actually using their products.

mikeh0128
12-04-2008, 11:17 PM
I HAVE tried this and continued to use this for your standard aches and pains and a unusual usage..which is as a chest decongestant aid. my family is asthmatic. my wife told me she did this a good while back. when we get a chest cold we just apply a small amount of it to my chest preferably after a nic HOT shower to relax (come clean) and it opens the pores . after you apply it bundle up and and feel the results soon. it helps loosen up the gunk in the chest therefore allowing easier breathing. its worked for us in the past and still works to this day. i have recommended this to lots of my freinds and they love it too. thanks

caribcyclon
12-08-2008, 10:27 AM
Should I take Hydroxycut Hardcore with Nitro Tech Hardcore?

ryan1080
12-12-2008, 08:23 PM
i use protien and i take a multivitamin
im 14 and have been working out for about a year
is it safe to take creatine or nitric oxcide

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Awesome post and im doing exactly that :)

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01-03-2009, 04:04 PM
Hold off on any new supplementation, diet changes, or exercise changes until after your trial is complete.

ive been on these forums for several months now and finally decided to make an account, and i find this to be a problem with many logs or reviews of products, i dont see how its possible to test the affect if you are startin one supplement with another at the same time.. you cant possibly tell which is doin the actual work... anyway, great topic and post.

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02-17-2009, 10:59 PM
How does this work



In recent months, this board has blown up in terms of users testing new products provided by supplement companies. While we have already debated the upside (more reviews, impressions on products before release date, great opportunities for knowledgeable and hard working board members) and downside (constant bickering and whining, increased commercialism/pimping) to this influx, there are other issues at hand that I feel need to be addressed.

1. If you are chosen to be a product reviewer, it is your responsibility to the forum and to the providing company to keep up with your log. Some products lend themselves to regular updates more than others, true (ie, prohormones), but just because the day-to-day effects may be small doesn't mean that you shouldn't at least post impressions twice a week.

2. Eliminate variables. How are we to know how a product is working if you simultaneously up your caloric intake, change your training style, add a few days of rec basketball a week, and stack it with the brand new Product XYZ you have been dying to use. Hold off on any new supplementation, diet changes, or exercise changes until after your trial is complete.

3. Along the same lines, if you already have products lined up to review, don't go out of your way to get more. While the prospect of "freebies" is enticing, especially for those strapped for cash, keep in mind that: 1) there are other deserving individuals out there who have yet to get a product to test, 2) you should only test one product at a time, and 3) it is not fair to the community or the providing company if you have to wait 4+ weeks to legitimately review the product.

4. Keep your reviews as objective as possible. There is always the urge to pimp a product because you believe the hype or because you want to "thank" the providing company by making their product out to be the next creatine. Go into it as if you bought the product yourself and never read all of the inflated claims that came with it. Biased reviews do nothing for the community.

I am sure there are other points to be made. If you think of any, feel free to add them. Hopefully this thread will stay bumped for at least a few days so people will have the chance to read it before it drifts into obscurity with 30000 N-Large and Cell-Tech threads.

SuperSteveO
02-17-2009, 11:02 PM
BSN is a solid product line. I have been taking for 10 weeks and have seen huge musulatity changes. I have kept them constant while rotating others.

rubin14
02-18-2009, 02:24 PM
I am currently taking NITRIX, Met-Rx Amino Acids, Optimum Glutamine, Iron-tek Creatine, OPtimum Nutrition Whey Protien, and NO Explode. I have experienced phenominal increases in size and strength. I am new to taking supplements though and was wondering if anyone could offer me advice on if I'm stacking wrong. Taking too much of one thing not enough of another. For example the protien has BCAA's Amino Acids, and Glutamine...so am I wating my money/time taking the extra pills as well. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

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So I went to the Arnold this weekend and picked up a bunch of sample supps and since it seems this thead has tried many things I would love to hear some imput as to what you liked/didn't like! Also any times of day or ways to use them would be great!!

PROTIEN-
3packs-MUSCLE MILK (CytoSport)-300 cal, 12 fat, 16 carb, 32 pro.
4 packs-MONSTER MILK (CytoSport)-9 fat, 50 pro.
2 packs Nitro-Tech (MUSCLETECH)- 110 cal, 1.5 fat, 4.5 carb, 20 pro.
5 packs Fruitblas Isolate(4EVERfit)- 100cal, 0 fat, 1 carb, 24 pro.
1 pack ProComplex (ON)- 270 cal, 1 fat, 5 carb, 60 pro.
7 packs NitroCore 24 (ON)- 200 cal, 5 fat, 14 carb, 60 pro.
2 Liquid Protien (IDS)- 176 cal, 0 fat, 2 carb, 42 pro.
2 packs MyoFusion (Gaspari)- 157.5 cal, 3 fat, 5 carb, 25 pro.
2 packs Fighters Food (nutrabolics)- 135 cal, .75 fat, 19.5 carb, 12.5 pro.
4 packs Bionic Edge Whey (RTN)- 110 cal, 1 fat, 2 carb, 24 pro.
2 packs RiSolubles Muscle Mass Builders (Nutracea)- N/A

MEAL REPLACEMENT-
2 packs ISO-MRP (nutrabolics)- 165 cal, 5 fat, 13 carb, 18 pro.

PRE-WORKOUT SUPPS-
4packs NO Shotgun v.3 (VPX)- 81 cal, 20 pro.
4 packs NO(stimulant free) Synthesize(VPX)- 82 cal, 20 pro.
10 packs naNOx9 HARDCORE (MUSLETECH)
2 packs Superpump250 (Gaspari)- 32 cal, 8 carb.

CREATINE/MASS BUILDERS-
6 packs Myo SHOCK(MUSCLETECH)
2 packs CREATure (THE BEAST SPORTS NUTRITION)
2 packs PLASMATIC (EST)
4 bottles BANG!(liquid cratine)(VPX)- 24 cal, 0 fat, 3.5 pro.

DURING WORKOUTS-
INTRAVOL (MUSCLETECH)- 80 cal, 20 carb.

WIEGHT LOSS SUPPS-
4 packs HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE (powder packs) (MUSCLETECH)
2 packs HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE (MUSCLETECH)
2 packs LIPO 6 (multi-phase)(NUTREX)
2 packs REDLINE (VPX)
2 packs MELTDOWN (VPX)
2 packs VYPER (PROFESSIONAL SUPPLEMENTS)

FULL STACK:
2 SERVINGS OF EVERYTHING BELOW-

Kre-Alkalyn EFX PRO
Nytrix PRO
CELL RUSH
LBA RUSH
LBA PRO
LG5 PRO

Well thats what I will be trying out in the near future! If you have any imput or suggestion I would love to hear from you!!! THANKS ALL

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03-08-2009, 06:55 PM
So I went to the Arnold this weekend and picked up a bunch of sample supps and since it seems this thead has tried many things I would love to hear some imput as to what you liked/didn't like! Also any times of day or ways to use them would be great!!

PROTIEN-
3packs-MUSCLE MILK (CytoSport)-300 cal, 12 fat, 16 carb, 32 pro.
4 packs-MONSTER MILK (CytoSport)-9 fat, 50 pro.
2 packs Nitro-Tech (MUSCLETECH)- 110 cal, 1.5 fat, 4.5 carb, 20 pro.
5 packs Fruitblas Isolate(4EVERfit)- 100cal, 0 fat, 1 carb, 24 pro.
1 pack ProComplex (ON)- 270 cal, 1 fat, 5 carb, 60 pro.
7 packs NitroCore 24 (ON)- 200 cal, 5 fat, 14 carb, 60 pro.
2 Liquid Protien (IDS)- 176 cal, 0 fat, 2 carb, 42 pro.
2 packs MyoFusion (Gaspari)- 157.5 cal, 3 fat, 5 carb, 25 pro.
2 packs Fighters Food (nutrabolics)- 135 cal, .75 fat, 19.5 carb, 12.5 pro.
4 packs Bionic Edge Whey (RTN)- 110 cal, 1 fat, 2 carb, 24 pro.
2 packs RiSolubles Muscle Mass Builders (Nutracea)- N/A

MEAL REPLACEMENT-
2 packs ISO-MRP (nutrabolics)- 165 cal, 5 fat, 13 carb, 18 pro.

PRE-WORKOUT SUPPS-
4packs NO Shotgun v.3 (VPX)- 81 cal, 20 pro.
4 packs NO(stimulant free) Synthesize(VPX)- 82 cal, 20 pro.
10 packs naNOx9 HARDCORE (MUSLETECH)
2 packs Superpump250 (Gaspari)- 32 cal, 8 carb.

CREATINE/MASS BUILDERS-
6 packs Myo SHOCK(MUSCLETECH)
2 packs CREATure (THE BEAST SPORTS NUTRITION)
2 packs PLASMATIC (EST)
4 bottles BANG!(liquid cratine)(VPX)- 24 cal, 0 fat, 3.5 pro.

DURING WORKOUTS-
INTRAVOL (MUSCLETECH)- 80 cal, 20 carb.

WIEGHT LOSS SUPPS-
4 packs HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE (powder packs) (MUSCLETECH)
2 packs HYDROXYCUT HARDCORE (MUSCLETECH)
2 packs LIPO 6 (multi-phase)(NUTREX)
2 packs REDLINE (VPX)
2 packs MELTDOWN (VPX)
2 packs VYPER (PROFESSIONAL SUPPLEMENTS)

FULL STACK:
2 SERVINGS OF EVERYTHING BELOW-

Kre-Alkalyn EFX PRO
Nytrix PRO
CELL RUSH
LBA RUSH
LBA PRO
LG5 PRO

Well thats what I will be trying out in the near future! If you have any imput or suggestion I would love to hear from you!!! THANKS ALL

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03-25-2009, 03:12 PM
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04-18-2009, 12:44 PM
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04-30-2009, 06:26 AM
Hi,

I go to the gym everyday, its been a week now. This is not the first time i go to the gym i do so every year in the summer for 5 or 6 months. I have muscles but they are very small and i need to pump them up. I need more protein to gain some weight. I got a box of Myoplex and a 1.34 kg Mega Mass 4000 comtainer. I heard that its not good to take myoplex at night before sleep so i take the myoplex (3 cups after each meal) and i take the mega mass (2 cups after workouet and before i go to bed) i can feel some change. I gained 2 KG in this week. what i was asking about is should i take OPTIMUM Instantized BCAA 5000 Powder with the shakes or not ? will it make a difference or its not needed ? will i gain more pounds or KG with it or not ? Thnx

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Jill74
06-02-2009, 01:23 AM
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xiaotong
06-20-2009, 06:36 PM
great article!!

carterhic1
06-24-2009, 12:09 PM
great stuff

dtheping
06-28-2009, 01:24 AM
hello i am chinese , i think ask ,here buy product can come to my home?
my English known not many~
thanks for answer~

benji30
07-08-2009, 08:36 AM
i wanna test some products been lifting for 4 years,,, will keep fulll log....went from 139lbs to 187lbs and my bench went from 135 to 245x3 as well as my deadlift going from 200 to 350lbs as well as many other gains, will give a beneficial review

katzky
07-09-2009, 09:36 AM
☻`In a way, it gives a satisfaction to those people who are physically body conscious and wants a healthier living by doing it...Good luck.!◘

rohitjoshi465
07-19-2009, 02:24 AM
hey guys i am roookie in this body building....

i am using When Protien (Gold Std), NO Xplode .....i want to gain muscles and weight

Please help me in deciding what all supplements should i take to increase size (overall), what should be my diet regime and how much quantity of supplements?

Josh

techpoint
07-20-2009, 08:42 PM
I purchase a 90 capsule of alive food supplement which they claim that this is a miracle food for my mom. which she is suffering from diabetes. after 1 week of continues intake my mom have a fever and it become worse so i send her to the hospital for treatment. now i decided to throw away all the remaining capsule cause i think that food supplement is worth nothing to buy. pls. help me on what food supplement in order to level the bl;ood sugar of my mom. thanks.

CASEYFITNESS
07-29-2009, 11:11 AM
Hi guys, Im the owner of FitProHQ, the leading bodybuilding gym and coaching site in the northwest of the UK. We distribute bodybuilding products throughout the world, if anybody would like a product list or just simply advive then drop me an e-mail direct to caseyfitness@hushmail.com, good luck trianing

CASEYFITNESS
07-29-2009, 11:13 AM
Hi guys, Im the owner of FitProHQ, the leading bodybuilding gym and coaching site in the northwest of the UK. We distribute bodybuilding products throughout the world, if anybody would like a product list or just simply advive then drop me an e-mail direct to caseyfitness@hushmail.com, good luck with your training

bulldog5400
08-17-2009, 04:04 AM
I just moved to Berlin Germany a few months ago and joined a local gym. My post cycle was ending and I wanted a reliable new source. Some of the guys recommended a website call anabolicheathstore.com. The prices seemed very reasonable and so I placed my first order last week. Has anyone else ever bought from this source??

Big-E.
08-17-2009, 06:17 AM
Great Post

ModlinMan
08-28-2009, 09:14 PM
I really need my account deleted.

Please help

makewifehot5
08-30-2009, 02:07 AM
In recent months, this board has blown up in terms of users testing new products provided by supplement companies. While we have already debated the upside (more reviews, impressions on products before release date, great opportunities for knowledgeable and hard working board members) and downside (constant bickering and whining, increased commercialism/pimping) to this influx, there are other issues at hand that I feel need to be addressed.

1. If you are chosen to be a product reviewer, it is your responsibility to the forum and to the providing company to keep up with your log. Some products lend themselves to regular updates more than others, true (ie, prohormones), but just because the day-to-day effects may be small doesn't mean that you shouldn't at least post impressions twice a week.

2. Eliminate variables. How are we to know how a product is working if you simultaneously up your caloric intake, change your training style, add a few days of rec basketball a week, and stack it with the brand new Product XYZ you have been dying to use. Hold off on any new supplementation, diet changes, or exercise changes until after your trial is complete.

3. Along the same lines, if you already have products lined up to review, don't go out of your way to get more. While the prospect of "freebies" is enticing, especially for those strapped for cash, keep in mind that: 1) there are other deserving individuals out there who have yet to get a product to test, 2) you should only test one product at a time, and 3) it is not fair to the community or the providing company if you have to wait 4+ weeks to legitimately review the product.

4. Keep your reviews as objective as possible. There is always the urge to pimp a product because you believe the hype or because you want to "thank" the providing company by making their product out to be the next creatine. Go into it as if you bought the product yourself and never read all of the inflated claims that came with it. Biased reviews do nothing for the community.

I am sure there are other points to be made. If you think of any, feel free to add them. Hopefully this thread will stay bumped for at least a few days so people will have the chance to read it before it drifts into obscurity with 30000 N-Large and Cell-Tech threads.

Hi, I'm new here. I'm very fat. Is there anything that can be use as medicine to lose fat. I'm really in very much problem with this. How to get rid of this fatty body. Help......

Paganini
08-31-2009, 03:01 PM
Hi, When the web sites talk about ANY steroid, prohormone, etc. To get the REAL scoop just google 'GOOGLE SCHOLAR', -- then type in the name of the steroid, etc. and you get a number of other purely scholary journal articles about it.

Take ecdysten: when you type 'ecdysten' into GOOGLE SCHOLAR (NOT regular google) you get a slew of academic peer-reviewed articles by doctors, sports medicine physiologists, etc. What's interesting is that all the articles appear to back what websites claim about ecdysterone. Now keep in mind that there are scholary university studies, authored by people who have absolutely no stake in selling ecdysterone. Just a few of the studies they cite on ecdysten include:

interscience.wiley.com
Current medicinal chemistry, 2005
The Interim Joint Expert Advisory Committee on Complementary Medicines (IJEACCM)

All these articles are highly technical but readable enough. You can do the same for any drug -- dianabol, deca-durabolin, etc. etc.

Again you have to type in the name of the drug in google SCHOLAR -- not regular google
Check it out.



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khaoboy
09-02-2009, 05:40 AM
nice

jacked1432
09-03-2009, 11:12 PM
nice

i agree

dubmuscle
09-11-2009, 12:47 PM
In recent months, this board has blown up in terms of users testing new products provided by supplement companies. While we have already debated the upside (more reviews, impressions on products before release date, great opportunities for knowledgeable and hard working board members) and downside (constant bickering and whining, increased commercialism/pimping) to this influx, there are other issues at hand that I feel need to be addressed.

1. If you are chosen to be a product reviewer, it is your responsibility to the forum and to the providing company to keep up with your log. Some products lend themselves to regular updates more than others, true (ie, prohormones), but just because the day-to-day effects may be small doesn't mean that you shouldn't at least post impressions twice a week.

2. Eliminate variables. How are we to know how a product is working if you simultaneously up your caloric intake, change your training style, add a few days of rec basketball a week, and stack it with the brand new Product XYZ you have been dying to use. Hold off on any new supplementation, diet changes, or exercise changes until after your trial is complete.

3. Along the same lines, if you already have products lined up to review, don't go out of your way to get more. While the prospect of "freebies" is enticing, especially for those strapped for cash, keep in mind that: 1) there are other deserving individuals out there who have yet to get a product to test, 2) you should only test one product at a time, and 3) it is not fair to the community or the providing company if you have to wait 4+ weeks to legitimately review the product.

4. Keep your reviews as objective as possible. There is always the urge to pimp a product because you believe the hype or because you want to "thank" the providing company by making their product out to be the next creatine. Go into it as if you bought the product yourself and never read all of the inflated claims that came with it. Biased reviews do nothing for the community.

I am sure there are other points to be made. If you think of any, feel free to add them. Hopefully this thread will stay bumped for at least a few days so people will have the chance to read it before it drifts into obscurity with 30000 N-Large and Cell-Tech threads.

Recently I have been trying a new stack made by dub nutrtion and it is phenomenal! My recovery is rediculous! they have 3 core products and what they focus on is bettering the bodies circulation and reducing inflamation! seriously I dont get sore at all after my work outs! have any of you ever tried their stuff? If you have not check them out you will be addicted!

take care "dub muscle"

dubmuscle
09-11-2009, 12:50 PM
nice

hey bro looking great What supps are you on and what are your goals??!! I would love to give you my opinion

dub muscle

little_haris
10-07-2009, 06:59 AM
Since I'm a beginner, can anybody tell me what are the bset supplements for gaining mass? Thank you.

aboutu123
10-10-2009, 12:35 AM
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jdaynger
10-28-2009, 09:35 AM
Awesome post.

jdaynger
10-29-2009, 03:50 AM
Execellent..thanks for sharing.

jdaynger
11-01-2009, 04:19 AM
Awesome post,keep sharing.

UEN
11-08-2009, 12:59 PM
Great job!

dpolax14
11-08-2009, 05:43 PM
Do they test you for highscool or college sports

unlvdating
11-19-2009, 03:36 AM
I really love to read some articles that have great positive impacts on its reader and benefit by reading such article especially concerning Gold and the stock market. I admire these writers in sharing their views and or opinions that can enlighten the mind of the readers. Great Job and continue inspiring readers.

rjme262
11-22-2009, 09:54 PM
good post

dantheman8
12-15-2009, 10:36 PM
hey can anyone tell me whether or not its safe for a 15 year old to take bcaa pills?

bodybuilderjim
12-18-2009, 10:12 AM
In recent months, this board has blown up in terms of users testing new products provided by supplement companies. While we have already debated the upside (more reviews, impressions on products before release date, great opportunities for knowledgeable and hard working board members) and downside (constant bickering and whining, increased commercialism/pimping) to this influx, there are other issues at hand that I feel need to be addressed.

1. If you are chosen to be a product reviewer, it is your responsibility to the forum and to the providing company to keep up with your log. Some products lend themselves to regular updates more than others, true (ie, prohormones), but just because the day-to-day effects may be small doesn't mean that you shouldn't at least post impressions twice a week.

2. Eliminate variables. How are we to know how a product is working if you simultaneously up your caloric intake, change your training style, add a few days of rec basketball a week, and stack it with the brand new Product XYZ you have been dying to use. Hold off on any new supplementation, diet changes, or exercise changes until after your trial is complete.

3. Along the same lines, if you already have products lined up to review, don't go out of your way to get more. While the prospect of "freebies" is enticing, especially for those strapped for cash, keep in mind that: 1) there are other deserving individuals out there who have yet to get a product to test, 2) you should only test one product at a time, and 3) it is not fair to the community or the providing company if you have to wait 4+ weeks to legitimately review the product.

4. Keep your reviews as objective as possible. There is always the urge to pimp a product because you believe the hype or because you want to "thank" the providing company by making their product out to be the next creatine. Go into it as if you bought the product yourself and never read all of the inflated claims that came with it. Biased reviews do nothing for the community.

I am sure there are other points to be made. If you think of any, feel free to add them. Hopefully this thread will stay bumped for at least a few days so people will have the chance to read it before it drifts into obscurity with 30000 N-Large and Cell-Tech threads.

I absolutely agree

good job with the info

arieajiol38
12-28-2009, 11:05 PM
Hey man, I know a website where they go in details where you can eat food alone and this number ingredients that will help enhance that muscle size of yours man. I think that you don't need to waste to much money on muscle supplements where you can go to a nearby grocery store to buy certain foods that can enlarge your muscle. I believe that, with supplements, it has more negative effects on your body. It awesome, although I am not allow to post url here on this post thread, you can send me an email, then I will send you the link to you.

My email is at:

arieajiolzinc@yahoo.com

If you don;t know how to use this format, then just copy/paste it onto your email.

termi
01-10-2010, 10:49 PM
sweet info keep up the good work !

chuckd263
01-11-2010, 05:26 PM
Post workout

despise Muscletech for their snakey sales methods. Very overhyped, over priced, and overrated. However, I won't lie, their celltech stuff is one of the best supps I use. (if it wasn't for me getting it for less than half price i would've never tried it). As far as post-workout sup goes, celltech has my vote. 7/10 for me.

Pre-workout
As far as pre-workout supps go, Noxplode blew my ****in mind away. Buddies claimed it worked well, but I underestimated it prior to trying it. The stregnth gains were massive almost close to if not side-by-side a steroid. The pumps were insane. I wouldn't be able to brush my teeth the next morning from the pumps in my biceps. The stuff also brings u to life while working out resulting in more reps and sets. The dull feeiling of lazyness after a long day of work is subsided. 9/10 for me.

Pre-Workout Energy Drinks
Endorush. Hands down.

I've tried each of the 3 above supps individually giving them roughly 8 weeks alone. Cell tech gave me lean gains, weight increase, and nice stregnth gains.
Unnoticable bloat.

Noxplode gave immensive pumps, massive stregnth gains, and burst of energy.

Endorush gave great energy. Maybe too much energy. used it in the evening and couldn't fall asleep at 11pm. Drink 1/4 of the bottle. It's enuff unless ure exhausted. Watch out for the jitters.
Also noticed the more frequently its used the it loses its effectiveness. best to use 3 times a week when necessary.

Combined
I've combined celltech and noxplode for an 8-9 week run. didn't use endrush because it would be overkill with noxplode.
Results: gained about 20lbs and kept 12lbs. almost half of it was water retention.
The two combined will give A LOT of water retention and bloat, so watch ure sodium intake, keep it real low, and drink plenty of wate

jacques43
01-19-2010, 01:45 PM
nice post dude... hey can anyone help me out am looking for a supplement that brings cutting in the biceps...

chiranjeeviips
01-20-2010, 06:43 AM
hai

i am chiranjeevi

avondt51
01-22-2010, 09:18 AM
Does anyone know where i can find some roids for my own personal use. dont compete or anything i just want to get bigger.

dano-cam
01-23-2010, 05:36 PM
im curious how i can get started on one of these trials. do you have any ideas??? a am hit for cash and i want supplements. if you have any ideas i am extremely interested. thanks!!!

TheMatador101
01-24-2010, 06:30 PM
nope

JACKED17
01-26-2010, 11:33 AM
trying to decide between american cell labs mma-3 and "drostanol" any suggestions???

john kirby
02-02-2010, 08:55 AM
trying to decide between american cell labs mma-3 and "drostanol" any suggestions???



Whats the best supplements used for cutting up?

thallbiz
02-09-2010, 06:03 PM
i really like zthfitness products

engr_efc
02-11-2010, 07:39 PM
Hi. I am new to this thread. Can anyone help me find a good anabolic supplement? Thanks

brady.huskey
02-12-2010, 04:46 PM
Hi. I am new to this thread. Can anyone help me find a good anabolic supplement? Thanks

Hi. I can help you. Use the search function.

cale420
02-17-2010, 11:09 PM
if your going to start taking supplements for muscle gain first get a free sample of it to make sure it works for you everyones body is different and some supplements will work for some people and not work for others thats why you should order a free sample of it before buying a over priced bottle i found a business that gives away free trial samples of any supplement all you have to do is pay for shipping from $0.99-$6.95 and you will get a free trial sample of the product. you can order online at freesupplementfinder.com

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moosles
03-12-2010, 03:51 PM
In recent months, this board has blown up in terms of users testing new products provided by supplement companies. While we have already debated the upside (more reviews, impressions on products before release date, great opportunities for knowledgeable and hard working board members) and downside (constant bickering and whining, increased commercialism/pimping) to this influx, there are other issues at hand that I feel need to be addressed.

1. If you are chosen to be a product reviewer, it is your responsibility to the forum and to the providing company to keep up with your log. Some products lend themselves to regular updates more than others, true (ie, prohormones), but just because the day-to-day effects may be small doesn't mean that you shouldn't at least post impressions twice a week.

2. Eliminate variables. How are we to know how a product is working if you simultaneously up your caloric intake, change your training style, add a few days of rec basketball a week, and stack it with the brand new Product XYZ you have been dying to use. Hold off on any new supplementation, diet changes, or exercise changes until after your trial is complete.

3. Along the same lines, if you already have products lined up to review, don't go out of your way to get more. While the prospect of "freebies" is enticing, especially for those strapped for cash, keep in mind that: 1) there are other deserving individuals out there who have yet to get a product to test, 2) you should only test one product at a time, and 3) it is not fair to the community or the providing company if you have to wait 4+ weeks to legitimately review the product.

4. Keep your reviews as objective as possible. There is always the urge to pimp a product because you believe the hype or because you want to "thank" the providing company by making their product out to be the next creatine. Go into it as if you bought the product yourself and never read all of the inflated claims that came with it. Biased reviews do nothing for the community.

I am sure there are other points to be made. If you think of any, feel free to add them. Hopefully this thread will stay bumped for at least a few days so people will have the chance to read it before it drifts into obscurity with 30000 N-Large and Cell-Tech threads.



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