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TheWatcher
04-20-2007, 02:05 PM
I just had one on Tuesday, dr. says (he's a general dr. by the way, not a shoulder specialist) that nothing appears to be torn,and that it looks like the tendons are just aggravated.

This is such bull**** if the tendons were just aggravated I wouldn't have major shoulder instability and the symptoms of a possible labral/s.l.a.p. tear for the past 6 months with no improvement. I'm so f*cking frustrated right now as I don't know what to do. I've been living with this pain for 6 months and I want to know exactly what's wrong and get it fixed. I know that there's a lot more damage than just some "tendon aggravation"

The MRI they didn't inject the shoulder with any solution which maybe made it not accurate enough? I don't know. I'm probably going to need a second opinion from a real sports doc. who deals with this stuff all the time.

Anyone have suggestions?

TheWatcher
04-20-2007, 03:05 PM
bump town

oziem
04-20-2007, 03:09 PM
bump town

pm me with exact symptom location and range of motion limitation

AphtaLyfe
04-21-2007, 02:14 PM
My doctor is a sports medicine specialist and even he doesn't usually read MRIs himself...

If you have a suspected labral tear you MUST have it done with a contrasting dye. (MRI w/arthrogram... the dye is called gadolinium)

An MRI without arthrogram sucks at detecting labral tears.

With the recent development of contrast dye used to look at cartilage there is a difference between MRI w/ contrast and MRI w/arthroscopic contrast.

MAKE SURE you get an MRI w/ arthrogram. w/o arthrogram the accuracy is crap. (although still good for rotator cuff tears and such, just not the labrum)

Go see a shoulder specialist... or physician that specializes in sports injuries.

-Good Luck

thebadguy
04-21-2007, 08:48 PM
i took my MRI to an orthopedic surgeon mate, go to a doctor who specialises in shoulders

TheWatcher
04-21-2007, 11:06 PM
I dunno about another M.R.I. man, not just because I hated it but because it costs lots of $$ (the co-pay) and I know something is wrong in there for sure. I'd rather just go through surgery where they will see exactly what's wrong, as I think i need surgery anyways, (so does my old phys. therapist).

It has been 6 months and it still is f*cked up, and there isn't just pain and weakness but actual structural damage as I can feel the shoulder catch sometimes and just a very uncomfortable loose feeling that doesn't seem to get much better with physical therapy, I think it's safe to say that I need surgery if I ever want to be able to have normal non painful/weird function in that arm.

hopefully I can show the M.R.I. results to a shoulder specialist and they will see something that the other doctor/radiologist or whoever looked at it didn't see.

Buff_Daddy
04-22-2007, 01:30 AM
hopefully I can show the M.R.I. results to a shoulder specialist and they will see something that the other doctor/radiologist or whoever looked at it didn't see.


I had my SLAP detected without the contrast dye so you dont always need that. Usually the MRI results are read by a radiologist specialist. These guys are at school for 14 years so if they didnt report a SLAP tear in the report chances are its not there. Do you mean that you actually had a general doctor look at the scans or just interpret the MRI report (which was written by the radiologist)?

What I would do if I was you is book an appointment with a trusted Ortho Surgeon in your area and take your MRI copy to him. The arthroscopic surgery is also diagnostic and surgical so they can look in your shoulder and if they see nothing wrong, dont have to operate...on the other hand, if they detect something, they can fix it on the spot.

TheWatcher
04-22-2007, 02:30 PM
I had my SLAP detected without the contrast dye so you dont always need that. Usually the MRI results are read by a radiologist specialist. These guys are at school for 14 years so if they didnt report a SLAP tear in the report chances are its not there. Do you mean that you actually had a general doctor look at the scans or just interpret the MRI report (which was written by the radiologist)?

What I would do if I was you is book an appointment with a trusted Ortho Surgeon in your area and take your MRI copy to him. The arthroscopic surgery is also diagnostic and surgical so they can look in your shoulder and if they see nothing wrong, dont have to operate...on the other hand, if they detect something, they can fix it on the spot.

I'm not sure who looked at the MRI exactly and determined the results but I want to take the copy and bring it to a good shoulder ortho for sure and get their opinion. All the general doctor did was call me up and tell me the results.

Propel
04-23-2007, 06:32 PM
like some of the ppl above said, you need dyes in your shoulder to detect SLAP tears in your shoulder.

for my MRI app, i had an iodine solution injected as the xray dye, to make sure everything is flwoing fine. then they'll add a very diluted solution of a galonumium as the MRI dye.

good luck.

Mae
04-23-2007, 06:36 PM
my doctor said i didnt have a tear in me knee.


three years later, they redid the MRI, after telling me not to waste my time or they didnt want to do it because it was "proven" i didnt have a tear. I had a tear. Sorry, man!


---- I have almost no cartilage in my knee. I'm 21.

Be persistant.

TheWatcher
04-23-2007, 08:41 PM
my doctor said i didnt have a tear in me knee.


three years later, they redid the MRI, after telling me not to waste my time or they didnt want to do it because it was "proven" i didnt have a tear. I had a tear. Sorry, man!


---- I have almost no cartilage in my knee. I'm 21.

Be persistant.


Oh I will definitely be persistent, I'm not going to stop until I get it fixed. I think it's bull**** that they didn't put in the contrast dye in the first place, but whatever, i'll do whatever I have to do I guess. It isn't even the fact that I can't workout heavy that bugs me, it's that I feel it during everyday activities and it limits things I can do.

oihorse
04-24-2007, 11:08 AM
Oh I will definitely be persistent, I'm not going to stop until I get it fixed. I think it's bull**** that they didn't put in the contrast dye in the first place, but whatever, i'll do whatever I have to do I guess. It isn't even the fact that I can't workout heavy that bugs me, it's that I feel it during everyday activities and it limits things I can do.

I'm going down the same road - only difference is I was able to go to a shoulder specialist first. I was sent off to get an MRI with contrast and it appears that I have a Laberal Tear (and a bone spur).

I'm due for surgery to take out the bone spur and confirm/repair the Laberal Tear (though is a chance it isn't torn - he says the MRI is never 100% for sure).

The part that gets me is he says outside of the phsyical therapy I'll most likely never be seriously back in the gym. This part I dispute. There's got to be a way I can get my shoulder back to snuff. There's got to be champion lifters/bodybuilders/footballers/etc that have had this surgery and been back in action as good as before. Any help on that one?

Horse

TheWatcher
04-24-2007, 01:06 PM
^^^^^^

If your doctor is telling you this, might want to get another doctor who deals with a lot of athletes. I've known a few people personally, plus read about many accounts of people getting surgery for a torn labrum and being able to come back to lifting weights with few limitations. A lot of the guys on this board have had this kind of surgery and are back lifting heavy, obviously limiting some dangerous exercises though, but variations can be done. Flat dumbbell bench instead of flat barbell bench for example, never doing behind the neck exercises. Powerlifter Sam Byrd had just gotten his labrum repaired I think in September or October, I don't think he is back to maxing out on bench press yet but had gotten 225 for 29 reps recently ( I remember reading that he did 405 for 5 raw before his injury). Might want to check this out, a recent research study done on contact athletes who have had labrum repairs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15610999&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum

King Viscera
04-24-2007, 01:22 PM
my doctor said i didnt have a tear in me knee.


three years later, they redid the MRI, after telling me not to waste my time or they didnt want to do it because it was "proven" i didnt have a tear. I had a tear. Sorry, man!


---- I have almost no cartilage in my knee. I'm 21.

Be persistant.

****, im goin through similar crap right now with my knee. mri came out negative. im prolly gonna get an arthoscope if all else fails.

BasRutten
04-24-2007, 01:52 PM
The MRI they didn't inject the shoulder with any solution which maybe made it not accurate enough? I don't know. I'm probably going to need a second opinion from a real sports doc. who deals with this stuff all the time.

Anyone have suggestions?


the MRI machines have advanced greatly in the past 5 years alot of top medical facilities have new ones that do not required an injection, i got mine 4 years ago and had an injection, alot of places dont need that anymore i have read

LatsMakeTheMan
04-24-2007, 04:51 PM
For what it's worth, I had an MRI just about 2 weeks ago, and they did inject the dye to find the labrum tear.

Al Swearengen
04-24-2007, 06:10 PM
For what it's worth, I had an MRI just about 2 weeks ago, and they did inject the dye to find the labrum tear.

Had one yesterday (arthrogram mri) but I won't know anything until Thursday, hopefully no tear.

TheWatcher
04-24-2007, 11:25 PM
The reason I think I have torn labrum/SLAP tear is because my old physical therapist thinks that's what it is: While going through physical therapy about a month and a half ago for a few weeks, the p.t. did some tests where they moved my arm in weird ways and noticed that the shoulder was pretty unstable, I remember they had my arm in a few weird positions (I had to be totally relaxed otherwise they wouldn't work) and would push down and my shoulder would move a lot more than it normally should, the same case with my other shoulder but not as bad. This was also noticed when I was performing a few of the exercises they had me doing.

The only test where I felt real pain was when I had my arm straight out in front of me, my thumb pointing toward the ground and then they pushed down on my forearm, causing a twinging pain deep in my shoulder joint. I have a feeling of instability in my shoulder daily

To all you that have had confirmed labrum tears, what did exactly feel like? I mean on a day to day basis, any feeling of looseness?

Even when I'm just walking I feel like I have to consciously keep my shoulder kinda shrugged because I can't just let it swing back and forth because it feels loose/unstable, not like it's going to totally dislocate or it hurts or anything but it's like i can feel the shoulder partially come out of the socket almost . Because of this I always walk with that hand in my pocket.

AphtaLyfe
04-25-2007, 06:41 PM
Looseness or apprehension about the joint is a classic symptom of a labral tear.

Obviously since your arm isn't staying in place on its own... there is something seriously wrong with it.

Possibilities:
1. Ligament damage
2. Tendon damage
3. Muscle Damage
4. Labral Tear

All of which will require surgery.

I just had my labrum repaired and the thing that bothered me most was if I went jogging my shoulder would pop in and out of place over and over again...

The earlier you get a labrum repaired, the less complications you might have. The longer you wait... the more stretched out your ligaments can/will get and then you might need a capsular shrink to tighten everything up.

-Good Luck

TheWatcher
04-25-2007, 09:38 PM
Looseness or apprehension about the joint is a classic symptom of a labral tear.

Obviously since your arm isn't staying in place on its own... there is something seriously wrong with it.

Possibilities:
1. Ligament damage
2. Tendon damage
3. Muscle Damage
4. Labral Tear

All of which will require surgery.

I just had my labrum repaired and the thing that bothered me most was if I went jogging my shoulder would pop in and out of place over and over again...

The earlier you get a labrum repaired, the less complications you might have. The longer you wait... the more stretched out your ligaments can/will get and then you might need a capsular shrink to tighten everything up.

-Good Luck



Thanks, This is what I'm saying and why I want to get my shoulder fixed ASAP. Waiting on this issue is doing me no good. The problem I now face is that the MRI doesn't show any damage (probably because no conrast dye was used, I would think this is some kind of malpractice on their part. I don't know anything about this stuff but I know damn well they should have injected my shoulder with this dye). I remember them having me sign a sheet saying they may need to use the dye, but it was only if they thought they needed to. I guess they thought they didn't need to.

I'm going to take Buff Daddy's advice and meet with an orthopedic surgeon/shoulder specialist soon w/ my MRI copy and see what they say.

Chawk
04-25-2007, 10:02 PM
Maybe you have arthritis.....

TheWatcher
04-25-2007, 10:48 PM
Maybe you have arthritis.....

lol I don't know about that. I'm only 21, been lifting since about 15, never really had bad noticeable pain/problems with this shoulder until 6 months ago. There's a good chance I'll probably develop arthritis in that shoulder a few years down the road but I'll worry about that when it comes.

Propel
04-26-2007, 11:20 AM
Looseness or apprehension about the joint is a classic symptom of a labral tear.

Obviously since your arm isn't staying in place on its own... there is something seriously wrong with it.

Possibilities:
1. Ligament damage
2. Tendon damage
3. Muscle Damage
4. Labral Tear

All of which will require surgery.

I just had my labrum repaired and the thing that bothered me most was if I went jogging my shoulder would pop in and out of place over and over again...

The earlier you get a labrum repaired, the less complications you might have. The longer you wait... the more stretched out your ligaments can/will get and then you might need a capsular shrink to tighten everything up.

-Good Luck

yup, everything he says is true. and its normal to have your shoulder feel unstable if you've got a labral tear. for me, its when i shrug my shoulders back , at the same time trying to make them widest. then try to move my right shoulder up. all of a sudden it drops and i can feel there being a gap in my shoulder joint.

when you go visit a surgeon or specialist, ask him if you need a CT Scan as well. it might be necessary cuz if you've had many dislocations, there might be some deterioration of the glenoid fossa and/or head of the humerus.

oihorse
05-05-2007, 07:58 PM
I'm going down the same road - only difference is I was able to go to a shoulder specialist first. I was sent off to get an MRI with contrast and it appears that I have a Laberal Tear (and a bone spur).

I'm due for surgery to take out the bone spur and confirm/repair the Laberal Tear (though is a chance it isn't torn - he says the MRI is never 100% for sure).

The part that gets me is he says outside of the phsyical therapy I'll most likely never be seriously back in the gym. This part I dispute. There's got to be a way I can get my shoulder back to snuff. There's got to be champion lifters/bodybuilders/footballers/etc that have had this surgery and been back in action as good as before. Any help on that one?

Horse


Just a follow-up to my own post.

Had the surgery 3 days ago, and am recovering well. Didn't need any of the pain killers (OK, I did once at 4:00am after the nerve block wore off - but that was it!)

The MRI was wrong, no tears! Just 2 bone spurs mucking things up. They took them out, so should be a quick recovery and back into the gym! I think I used about 10 years worth of luck on this one. The doctors were totaly blown away that there was no tearing, especially with 2 bone spurs.

Good luck to the rest with this problem and thanks for the advice!

Horse

Al Swearengen
05-07-2007, 03:14 PM
Just a follow-up to my own post.

Had the surgery 3 days ago, and am recovering well. Didn't need any of the pain killers (OK, I did once at 4:00am after the nerve block wore off - but that was it!)

The MRI was wrong, no tears! Just 2 bone spurs mucking things up. They took them out, so should be a quick recovery and back into the gym! I think I used about 10 years worth of luck on this one. The doctors were totaly blown away that there was no tearing, especially with 2 bone spurs.

Good luck to the rest with this problem and thanks for the advice!

Horse

That's great news man. I have a small spur that may need to be cleaned out myself.

BradleyS
05-07-2007, 03:54 PM
figured you guys would like to see this

these photos are mine from 2/20, a MRI w/ arthrogram on my right shoulder. 40% of the labrum is torn.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9982/1eur0.jpg

Xray from them sticking the needle in. needle is 3.5 inches, just at an angle in the picture.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3903/2ekz9.jpg

second xray of the dye injected.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/419/3eor2.jpg
here is one of the photos from the MRI. I can't exactly tell what is what, all I know is 40% of the labrum is torn. it's incredibly hard for me to tell where the tear is.

I would post the photos from today (had my left shoulder done today), but I can't tell what is what...so i'll know soon what is torn in my left shoulder.

surgry 5/25 on my right shoulder, wish me luck!

TheWatcher
05-07-2007, 08:46 PM
figured you guys would like to see this

these photos are mine from 2/20, a MRI w/ arthrogram on my right shoulder. 40% of the labrum is torn.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9982/1eur0.jpg

Xray from them sticking the needle in. needle is 3.5 inches, just at an angle in the picture.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3903/2ekz9.jpg

second xray of the dye injected.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/419/3eor2.jpg
here is one of the photos from the MRI. I can't exactly tell what is what, all I know is 40% of the labrum is torn. it's incredibly hard for me to tell where the tear is.

I would post the photos from today (had my left shoulder done today), but I can't tell what is what...so i'll know soon what is torn in my left shoulder.

surgry 5/25 on my right shoulder, wish me luck!


Good luck with that man. I still need to schedule an appt. with a good shoulder ortho. surgeon in the area and have him take a look at my MRI and do a general shoulder exam also. My shoulder hasn't been feeling nearly as bad lately, a lot of the general pain i have throughout the day is gone, and I guess it doesn't feel as loose, but I still have some bad shoulder days. I think because of me strengthening my mid back and rotator cuff a lot it has helped, this allowed my shoulders not to roll forward so much and laying off the presses (doing pushups on blast straps instead), but pain with certain movements is definitely still there and I'm still very cautious with that shoulder. It has been exactly 6 months yesterday to the day when I hurt it. Although it is feeling a lot better if something is really wrong I would want to get it fixed now though because I'm young and it would recover quicker/better than if I wait until I'm older I think.

BradleyS
05-08-2007, 01:32 AM
Good luck with that man. I still need to schedule an appt. with a good shoulder ortho. surgeon in the area and have him take a look at my MRI and do a general shoulder exam also. My shoulder hasn't been feeling nearly as bad lately, a lot of the general pain i have throughout the day is gone, and I guess it doesn't feel as loose, but I still have some bad shoulder days. I think because of me strengthening my mid back and rotator cuff a lot it has helped, this allowed my shoulders not to roll forward so much and laying off the presses (doing pushups on blast straps instead), but pain with certain movements is definitely still there and I'm still very cautious with that shoulder. It has been exactly 6 months yesterday to the day when I hurt it. Although it is feeling a lot better if something is really wrong I would want to get it fixed now though because I'm young and it would recover quicker/better than if I wait until I'm older I think.

I hear ya man. If you still have "bad" shoulder days, you need it fixed. For over a year now I have been having my good and bad days. They come and go for me. Get on it, get it fixed!

Sounds like your shoulders are similar to mine, cept mine are worse (ortho suregon dislocated my left shoulder by accident in the exam room, LOL)

Fresch
05-10-2007, 05:27 AM
Moral of the story:
MRI does not detect everything
You can have instability and painful conditions with a normal MRI
Not all problems need surgery
Good rehab is vital with or without surgery

highpower1111
06-02-2007, 09:17 PM
I have an MRI w/ Anthrogram on tuesday for a shoulder i dislocated almost 6 weeks ago. I was told that getting an MRI w/ Anthrogram is really the only way to get a good picture of the labrum, otherwise the quality is not acceptable.

injured44
06-02-2007, 09:23 PM
are you still lifting/ doing stenuous activities

if so this could be why its lasted so long..

rampagefc77
06-03-2007, 01:29 PM
i work in mri at a hospital. first of all... your doctor wasnt the one reading the films, it was a radiologist (aka someone who ONLY reads films and is incredibly talented at doing this). Yes, mri's dont detect everything. Im surprised they didnt do an arthrogram, maybe the symptoms u presented to your doctor made him think it was something else with the shoulder, but with or without the dye the accuracy is still very high. I know how frustrating it can be, im headin in for my third knee surgery on tuesday, and the only thing they saw on my last 2 mris were "an abnormality of the medial cartilage, with no clear tear" tho ive had the symptoms of a tear for about 2 years, and ive had 2 tears before so i kno how it feels. like people have said be persistant, but dont expect 100% accuracy with any picture

TheWatcher
06-04-2007, 10:30 AM
I have tried weeks of straight rest and this made my shoulder feel even worse. lately I've just been lifting lighter weights a lot slower and more controlled (really trying to feel the muscle contract, and flexing at the top of each rep) with shorter rest periods between sets (about 30 seconds to a minute). I have to use lighter weight obviously but it still feels pretty good working out, I get a mad pump and some good soreness the next few days too. My shoulder doesn't feel too bad lately, I won't try and lift anything really heavy with it and I never really notice any pain or disfunction with it until I either use it a lot of weight or do something stupid with it. Right now for chest I do one armed pushups sort of, but instead of just using one arm I have the other arm holding on to something to keep my balance. I'll do wide grip pushups on Blast Straps, and I started doing weighted pushups (filled a backpack with weight) with my feet elevated to try and hit upper chest more the other day and had my hands on those pushup bar things, those felt pretty good. I have this tension band thing where I imitate a cable fly movement. I can do handstand pushups for shoulders, lateral raises, rear raises. Back I do barbell and dumbbell rows, pullups. I don't seem to notice too much problems when I take a wide grip and don't go down all the way to my chest with the pushups. I changed a lot of the stuff to my workouts basically and my shoulder has thanked me for it. I still do rehab. exercises for it after my upper body workouts (monday and friday), I still want to meet up with an ortho.surgeon that deals with alot of shoulders and want to get a contrast MRI or arthroscope done to try and find out what's wrong exactly. I may still need surgery I guess if I ever want to full range press pretty heavy again but hopefully my shoulder keeps on improving and I won't need surgery but only time will tell with that.

Nainoa
06-04-2007, 12:43 PM
My doctor is a sports medicine specialist and even he doesn't usually read MRIs himself...

If you have a suspected labral tear you MUST have it done with a contrasting dye. (MRI w/arthrogram... the dye is called gadolinium)

An MRI without arthrogram sucks at detecting labral tears.

With the recent development of contrast dye used to look at cartilage there is a difference between MRI w/ contrast and MRI w/arthroscopic contrast.

MAKE SURE you get an MRI w/ arthrogram. w/o arthrogram the accuracy is crap. (although still good for rotator cuff tears and such, just not the labrum)

Go see a shoulder specialist... or physician that specializes in sports injuries.

-Good Luck

^^^^^


Damn straight...

The MRI-Arthrogram, while a the closest thing I've experienced to a Man-Rape level of trauma... Is absolutely necessary to detect a SLAP lesion.

And you'll need an ortho or a physio to examine it.

BradleyS
06-04-2007, 01:54 PM
ortho did not realize my shoulder was torn in the front, he could not see that on the images...I looked myself and couldnt see it either.

Tear from 6-9, and an incredibly painful one at 4-5....and this is my good shoulder

edit it was an mri w arthorgram

TheWatcher
11-27-2007, 11:53 AM
Update with this. Well basically both of my shoulders are messed up right now. The left one started giving me problems a few months ago and it pops whenever I extend it, then it will feel tender and sore for a while after that, I never raise my left arm higher than my head anymore. Hell, I hardly use my left arm anymore period. The right one is still messed up, general achy feeling with it but it is a lot better than my left, doesn't feel as loose as it used to but it definitely doesn't feel right either.

I have lost a lot of size and strength from not being able to lift any decently heavy weights, my avatar pic is when I was close to my prime, right now, I'd say I'm about 203 lbs, 17 % bodyfat or so, which isn't bad, but is a far cry from what I was about a year ago this time (220 lbs, 14% bodyfat.) I'm not gonna lie, it really sucks when people that you know that haven't seen you in a while come up and ask you if you stopped working out and that you look smaller. My clothes all fit differently now. Alright I'm gonna stop before I get more pissed off lol.

I still haven't had a chance to go to an orthopedic doctor, which is stupid of me but yeah. I really plan on going within the next few weeks once this semester is over.

I need an MRI arthogram w/dye injection on my left shoulder and want to get it fixed up ASAP. I'm assuming it is a SLAP tear and/or Bankart tear, plus the capsule may be stretched.

Same deal with the right shoulder that I injured originally, but not as bad.

I want to get the left one fixed first because I can still use my right arm for everyday tasks, my left one , that's out of the question as it will pop and get aggravated. Then after the left one heals, get the right one fixed. Following this, I will start my long road to recovery and hopefully return back to my old size and strength. I will definitely take it real slow though, and not go under like 12 reps for any pressing exercises for a while.

Some things I may not have mentioned earlier: I have had both shoulder subluxate (partially dislocate) a few times , the right one I'd say about 7 times, the left, maybe 4 or 5. These happened a long time ago when I was playing Football for my old high school mostly. The last time I had a subluxation was in July of 2005 with my right shoulder, it hurt for a day but never bothered my lifting until more than a year later.

One more thing, I am very flexible, I can touch the back of my hands to the floor without bending my knees, and most of the joints in my body can bend a lot more than they should, they call this Hypermobility. I'm pretty sure that may have something to do with my shoulder problems.

AutumnalPark
11-27-2007, 02:12 PM
Shoulder instability doesn't eman you have a SLAP lesion.

The test where you hold your arm out in front thumb down and push on the arm is positive and painful if there is a problem with the supraspinatus tendon.

Sounds like you have an instablility/impingement problem, not a SLAP, and there is rehab that can address the issue.

BradleyS
11-27-2007, 02:18 PM
Update with this. Well basically both of my shoulders are messed up right now. The left one started giving me problems a few months ago and it pops whenever I extend it, then it will feel tender and sore for a while after that, I never raise my left arm higher than my head anymore. Hell, I hardly use my left arm anymore period. The right one is still messed up, general achy feeling with it but it is a lot better than my left, doesn't feel as loose as it used to but it definitely doesn't feel right either.

I have lost a lot of size and strength from not being able to lift any decently heavy weights, my avatar pic is when I was close to my prime, right now, I'd say I'm about 203 lbs, 17 % bodyfat or so, which isn't bad, but is a far cry from what I was about a year ago this time (220 lbs, 14% bodyfat.) I'm not gonna lie, it really sucks when people that you know that haven't seen you in a while come up and ask you if you stopped working out and that you look smaller. My clothes all fit differently now. Alright I'm gonna stop before I get more pissed off lol.

I still haven't had a chance to go to an orthopedic doctor, which is stupid of me but yeah. I really plan on going within the next few weeks once this semester is over.

I need an MRI arthogram w/dye injection on my left shoulder and want to get it fixed up ASAP. I'm assuming it is a SLAP tear and/or Bankart tear, plus the capsule may be stretched.

Same deal with the right shoulder that I injured originally, but not as bad.

I want to get the left one fixed first because I can still use my right arm for everyday tasks, my left one , that's out of the question as it will pop and get aggravated. Then after the left one heals, get the right one fixed. Following this, I will start my long road to recovery and hopefully return back to my old size and strength. I will definitely take it real slow though, and not go under like 12 reps for any pressing exercises for a while.

Some things I may not have mentioned earlier: I have had both shoulder subluxate (partially dislocate) a few times , the right one I'd say about 7 times, the left, maybe 4 or 5. These happened a long time ago when I was playing Football for my old high school mostly. The last time I had a subluxation was in July of 2005 with my right shoulder, it hurt for a day but never bothered my lifting until more than a year later.

One more thing, I am very flexible, I can touch the back of my hands to the floor without bending my knees, and most of the joints in my body can bend a lot more than they should, they call this Hypermobility. I'm pretty sure that may have something to do with my shoulder problems.

I have loose joints aswell.

what sucks about subluxations is once you have one, you'll have more...I hated them. pulling up a sock would cause my shoulder to do that.

Fix them now before they get worse...trust me. it's not fun when they are torn to hell.

warbird00
11-27-2007, 02:19 PM
Dude my shoulder has been ****ed for 4 months now. I went to a sports doctor about 2 months ago and he gave me exercises to do, told me to correct my posture but it hasnt got better. It sucks not being able to do ANY presses :(

benztof
11-27-2007, 03:24 PM
You never mentioned what actually caused the injury and the exact symptoms you feel.. i've had a shoulder problem for 6 months as well and can't seem to find the exact problem... an MRI showed tendonitis of the rotator cuff and mild subcuracoid bursitis.. i've rested it, iced it, heated it... and nothing seems to make it better... i have not felt close to 100% for a while now.. you are right.. it sucks when friends ask you if your vaginitis has cleared up or if i'm ever coming back to the gym.... my symptoms are basically a dull ache that radiates anywhere from my upper triceps to the back shoulder... something feels messed up back there but nobody can figure it out.... i don't get pain when they do shoulder tests so they have ruled out any tears... and the MRI confirmed that there was not a tear..... I am currently seeing a massage therapist and a chiro.. ill basically try anything now..

heidt410
11-27-2007, 04:26 PM
Seems like you got the advice you needed...to see an ortho surgeon who spec in shoulders.

Goodluck

ers124
11-28-2007, 06:49 AM
You deffinately need to do whatever it takes to get an MRI with dye injected. I've had the same problem as you, my shoulders been messed up for about a year. I havent been able to do any presses at all, but all my doctor said was to try physical therapy.

Fast forward six months after PT - I go to a new doctor, get an MRI, and ... surprise, surprise... worst SLAP tear hes ever seen. I'm getting surgery in a month. Anyways it seems that youre in the same boat as me, so I suggest you go somewhere that will get you the MRI with dye that you need. Good luck.

Frantec
11-28-2007, 07:20 AM
A point that needs to be kept in mind is that experiencing such significant injuries of the shoulders at such a young age is not a good sign for the future! It could result in osteoarthritic changes and chronic pain as one ages with significant limitations in the physical activities they can engage in. That is why it is very important to seek out appropriate and timely medical intervention in order to attempt to manage the degree and extent of the damage to the shoulders and to rehabilitate the injury expeditiously.

TheWatcher
11-28-2007, 12:09 PM
Shoulder instability doesn't eman you have a SLAP lesion.

The test where you hold your arm out in front thumb down and push on the arm is positive and painful if there is a problem with the supraspinatus tendon.

Sounds like you have an instablility/impingement problem, not a SLAP, and there is rehab that can address the issue.

are you sure?, a team of phys. therapists that I was working with said that the test, if positive, may indicate a SLAP tear.



I have loose joints aswell.

what sucks about subluxations is once you have one, you'll have more...I hated them. pulling up a sock would cause my shoulder to do that.

Fix them now before they get worse...trust me. it's not fun when they are torn to hell.


Tell me about it man. The weird thing was how they didn't bother me after they would subluxate, it's just like they all of a sudden started hurting after I was lifting for a while. My first subluxation happened on my right shoulder when I was 14 during my first high school Football game, didn't give me problems with lifting until I was 21, even though both the left and right one subluxated a few times after that. pretty much the same deal with my left, no problems until I was 21.



Dude my shoulder has been ****ed for 4 months now. I went to a sports doctor about 2 months ago and he gave me exercises to do, told me to correct my posture but it hasnt got better. It sucks not being able to do ANY presses :(

Did you get an MRI arthrogram on it yet?


You never mentioned what actually caused the injury and the exact symptoms you feel.. i've had a shoulder problem for 6 months as well and can't seem to find the exact problem... an MRI showed tendonitis of the rotator cuff and mild subcuracoid bursitis.. i've rested it, iced it, heated it... and nothing seems to make it better... i have not felt close to 100% for a while now.. you are right.. it sucks when friends ask you if your vaginitis has cleared up or if i'm ever coming back to the gym.... my symptoms are basically a dull ache that radiates anywhere from my upper triceps to the back shoulder... something feels messed up back there but nobody can figure it out.... i don't get pain when they do shoulder tests so they have ruled out any tears... and the MRI confirmed that there was not a tear..... I am currently seeing a massage therapist and a chiro.. ill basically try anything now..

I've tried chiro, active release, rest, phys. therapy, light weights, massage, heat, ice, all that stuff. None of it worked in my case, get an MRI with dye injection, if you have already and it showed just the problems listed, see if you can get an arthroscopy, just to look around in the joint, if they see something wrong they can operate. If your shoulder has been in pain for 6 months, I doubt it is just from rotator cuff tendonitis, doctors always say that it's tendonitis, I told my doctor my shoulder feels loose and catches , he told me it was tendonitis lol. DON"T BOTHER WITH GENERAL DOCTORS WITH JOINT INJURIES! Go to an orthopedic or sports medicine doctor or something.


Seems like you got the advice you needed...to see an ortho surgeon who spec in shoulders.

Goodluck

Thanks, I will be soon.


You deffinately need to do whatever it takes to get an MRI with dye injected. I've had the same problem as you, my shoulders been messed up for about a year. I havent been able to do any presses at all, but all my doctor said was to try physical therapy.

Fast forward six months after PT - I go to a new doctor, get an MRI, and ... surprise, surprise... worst SLAP tear hes ever seen. I'm getting surgery in a month. Anyways it seems that youre in the same boat as me, so I suggest you go somewhere that will get you the MRI with dye that you need. Good luck.

Yeah man , physical therapy may help if it's a rotator cuff issue, but problems with the capsule and labrum of the shoulder don't really clear up without surgical intervention, that's what it seems like anyway. If you're under age 30 I think, if you ever dislocate a shoulder, the recurrence rate is extremely high (like 80-95%), unless you get it fixed up.

j_neatherlin
11-28-2007, 12:11 PM
I just had one on Tuesday, dr. says (he's a general dr. by the way, not a shoulder specialist) that nothing appears to be torn,and that it looks like the tendons are just aggravated.

This is such bull**** if the tendons were just aggravated I wouldn't have major shoulder instability and the symptoms of a possible labral/s.l.a.p. tear for the past 6 months with no improvement. I'm so f*cking frustrated right now as I don't know what to do. I've been living with this pain for 6 months and I want to know exactly what's wrong and get it fixed. I know that there's a lot more damage than just some "tendon aggravation"

The MRI they didn't inject the shoulder with any solution which maybe made it not accurate enough? I don't know. I'm probably going to need a second opinion from a real sports doc. who deals with this stuff all the time.

Anyone have suggestions?

while your "general" doctor may have told you what the results were, most likely the radiologist at the MRI imaging center read the MRI and wrote the MRI report...your doctor just relayed that information to you.

issa_trainer
12-10-2007, 12:33 PM
i've had the same pain for about 2 years at least now, stopped working out for a 6 month period before while doing ROM stretches daily and physio 5-7 days a week...Got nothing out of it but a big loss in mass...Not sure if i just have a really bad case of impingment syndrome or a tear but hopefully not the latter...

I went for a few MRI's too man and my second was with the dye injected in the shoulder and they still found nothing that they would classify as "worthy for a scope"

My advice take some time off from working out, see if that helps, if it doesnt get it scoped this way you know for sure what the problem is if any that requires surgery

TheWatcher
02-13-2008, 09:06 AM
Another Update...


CLIFFS:

-Went to very well respected ortho. surgeon
-Recommends surgery, small labrum tear in front of left shoulder
-Small labrum tear in back of right shoulder
-Don't know if I should have surgery in March (spring break) or May (semester over).


Went to a top orthopedic surgeon in my area (around Detroit, MI), (Dr. Kyle Anderson) is the head physician for Detroit Lions, has worked with the Red Wings, Tigers. Performed surgery on hundreds of professional and collegiate athletes. Specializes in Shoulder and Elbow Reconstruction and Arthroscopy. He has written numerous scientific journal articles about techniques with shoulder and elbow surgery, and has written chapters in books on the subject. He is the director of shoulder surgery fellowship at U of M. Very qualified.

After getting an MRI on my left shoulder and looking at the MRI of the right, he said I have a small labrum tear in the front of the left shoulder, and a small labrum tear in the back of my right shoulder.

He recommended surgery, as physical therapy would just pretty much be procrastinating with my recovery. and 3-6 months physical therapy before I can start back up with weights.

I'm now trying to decide whether I want to get my shoulder surgery in March when I have a week off of school for Spring Break, or should i wait until May when I have about 4 months off of school.

I have a 35 min. drive to and from school 4 times a week, I would imagine driving in a sling would be difficult. Plus I'm kind of worried about people bumping into me and stuff at school...

So the big question is should I get it done soon, in March (about a month from now) ? or early May, when I don't have school? I want to get the recovery process going though.

Others who have had the surgery, your input is greatly appreciated.

nadz147
02-13-2008, 03:10 PM
Did you have any clicking noises from your shoulder with any moements?

BradleyS
02-13-2008, 10:27 PM
Another Update...


CLIFFS:

-Went to very well respected ortho. surgeon
-Recommends surgery, small labrum tear in front of left shoulder
-Small labrum tear in back of right shoulder
-Don't know if I should have surgery in March (spring break) or May (semester over).


Went to a top orthopedic surgeon in my area (around Detroit, MI), (Dr. Kyle Anderson) is the head physician for Detroit Lions, has worked with the Red Wings, Tigers. Performed surgery on hundreds of professional and collegiate athletes. Specializes in Shoulder and Elbow Reconstruction and Arthroscopy. He has written numerous scientific journal articles about techniques with shoulder and elbow surgery, and has written chapters in books on the subject. He is the director of shoulder surgery fellowship at U of M. Very qualified.

After getting an MRI on my left shoulder and looking at the MRI of the right, he said I have a small labrum tear in the front of the left shoulder, and a small labrum tear in the back of my right shoulder.

He recommended surgery, as physical therapy would just pretty much be procrastinating with my recovery. and 3-6 months physical therapy before I can start back up with weights.

I'm now trying to decide whether I want to get my shoulder surgery in March when I have a week off of school for Spring Break, or should i wait until May when I have about 4 months off of school.

I have a 35 min. drive to and from school 4 times a week, I would imagine driving in a sling would be difficult. Plus I'm kind of worried about people bumping into me and stuff at school...

So the big question is should I get it done soon, in March (about a month from now) ? or early May, when I don't have school? I want to get the recovery process going though.

Others who have had the surgery, your input is greatly appreciated.

I would suggest March. In march you are late into the semester already. Are you going to do one shoulder then the next? If you do one in March, you can have the other one done in June or probably July. If you start in May, you'll have the other one done during the beginning of a new semester which is not fun at all.

procrastination/pain/labral tears are not your friends. get on it!

Consider investing in a bed wedge for when the time comes...it's lots easier to sleep on a giant soft wedge than a recliner for a week or two.

RyanGrob
02-14-2008, 08:22 AM
The sling doesn't affect driving, but the discomfort did. I had to drive 6 days after surgery because I had classes. I was fine, but granted I didn't drive 35 minutes, only 10. For longer rides, it did get uncomfortable, but it was manageable. I say sooner rather than later so you can start up the healing. Welcome to the SLAP tear club :)

dpaul96088
02-14-2008, 09:13 AM
I had same problem from years of armwrestling. I had what is called Prolotherpy which tightened everything up nicely.Check google for proloyherapy there is list of practioners there.

BradleyS
02-14-2008, 01:15 PM
I had same problem from years of armwrestling. I had what is called Prolotherpy which tightened everything up nicely.Check google for proloyherapy there is list of practioners there.

once a labrum is torn, it cannot heal itself. prolotherapy is a series of injections, correct?

dangerbird
02-14-2008, 02:45 PM
look into prolotherapy, i have 2 terrible shoulders one of which is similiar to yours in that its unstable and causing pain/weakness. i start prolo in 6 days, and will keep you updated on the progress. be sure to remind me with a pm in 3 weeks or so . the research ive done on the prolo looks great, and it cna heal labrum tears.

dangerbird
02-14-2008, 02:49 PM
once a labrum is torn, it cannot heal itself. prolotherapy is a series of injections, correct?
its a misconception that the labrum actually contributes to shoulder stability. cartilage is not made to stabilize the joint, this is the ligaments job, when they are loose you get pain and instability. prolotherapy tightens the ligaments

stevieb00mbotz
02-14-2008, 02:50 PM
I have an MRI w/ Anthrogram on tuesday for a shoulder i dislocated almost 6 weeks ago. I was told that getting an MRI w/ Anthrogram is really the only way to get a good picture of the labrum, otherwise the quality is not acceptable.

for the area that we are talking about you are absolutely correct sir.

TheWatcher
02-14-2008, 05:16 PM
I'm thinking I'm just going to get it done in March..thanks for your opinions BradleyS and RyanGrob.

As for the prolo, I have looked into it.. I dunno, seems like it would help in a lot of different problems such as tendon strains, tendonitis, arthritis, etc. things that have to do with natural "wear and tear" or strains on joints, but for an actual structural problem, I don't see how it could help, especially in my case.

An injection cannot cause the torn part of my labrum to re-attach itself back onto the rim of the Glenoid fossa.

As for the glenohumeral ligaments providing stability and not the labrum, I dunno about this either. You are correct about the ligaments providing stability, but I'm pretty sure the labrum deepens the socket that the humeral head sits in, therefore providing with more inherent stability. The reason you don't see people dislocating their hips very often is because of how deep the head of the femur sits into the acetabulum (hip socket), it is very deep and stable compared to the relatively shallow and more unstable glenohumeral socket.

Don't get me wrong, if it works than hell, that would be pretty sweet. But I'm not so sure if it can help me out. Good luck with it though.

dangerbird
02-14-2008, 05:44 PM
I'm thinking I'm just going to get it done in March..thanks for your opinions BradleyS and RyanGrob.

As for the prolo, I have looked into it.. I dunno, seems like it would help in a lot of different problems such as tendon strains, tendonitis, arthritis, etc. things that have to do with natural "wear and tear" or strains on joints, but for an actual structural problem, I don't see how it could help, especially in my case.

An injection cannot cause the torn part of my labrum to re-attach itself back onto the rim of the Glenoid fossa.

As for the glenohumeral ligaments providing stability and not the labrum, I dunno about this either. You are correct about the ligaments providing stability, but I'm pretty sure the labrum deepens the socket that the humeral head sits in, therefore providing with more inherent stability. The reason you don't see people dislocating their hips very often is because of how deep the head of the femur sits into the acetabulum (hip socket), it is very deep and stable compared to the relatively shallow and more unstable glenohumeral socket.

Don't get me wrong, if it works than hell, that would be pretty sweet. But I'm not so sure if it can help me out. Good luck with it though.

Prolotherapy is a much more humane way to heal the shoulder vs surgery IMO, ive had labrum repair surgery before and its something you want to avoid at all costs due to the pain and how long it takes to recover from.

inkaddiction
02-14-2008, 09:59 PM
Wow, a ton of bad advice floating around this post. First an MRI can determine a tear. Second the guy saying a arthroscopy is not surgery is out of his mind. Let him have his shoulder scoped and then say that. In order to get the scope portal and the accessory portal in the shoulder you have to make at least a 5mm "nic" in the skin and then in the deltoid. The pain from the surgery is most often pain from going through the delt.
I had a similar problem but without the MRI ****. My copay like yours was high as **** (1/4 the price of the surgery). I elected to have arthroscopic "surgery" on what (like you) was a known problem. First the doc preformed a minipulation under anseth and then moved forward with the surgery. I ended up needing a sup labral replair and an acromioplasty. 100% today. Don't just go to any ortho in your area find a sports med guy doing a bunch of these surgerys. Guys who will repair your issue arthroscopic, NOT OPEN or Mini Open.. If they split that delt your in a **** load of pain. Get a block and ice ice ice. If they use anchors to repair it, don't be a jackass follow his post op orders. Those anchors are made of PLLA or PGA (absorbable plastic) and are easy to pull out.

Braindrop
02-15-2008, 03:25 PM
Good luck with your shoulder. I'm claustrophobic, and had to get two MRIs for my shoulder. No fun. Nor was the dye injection.

My story is similar to many here:

Injured shoulder pulling luggage out of overhead. Tried to wait it out, but it didn't get better. First MRI, at the behest of my GP before he'd do a referral, showed nothing. Got a referral for a great shoulder guy who did my dad's rotator cuff in '06, he ordered another MRI, this one an arthogram with dye injection.

There was a small (~ 1mm) cyst in the back labrum. Before he cut on me, he wanted me to do 3 months of rehab on it (which took 4 months because of business travel).

I approached the PT with the same attitude of a workout. Effort and intensity. It frankly shocked me how many people in the place moved like zombies, yet still expected to see results. At the end, it wasn't hurting at all during normal daily activity, it didn't wake me up hurting, etc. My doc said that as long as it was no longer constantly hurting, and it wasn't affecting my daily life, he didn't want to cut on it.

Since January I've been back in the gym, starting at about 60% of what I was doing pre-injury. It feels *way* better, my range of motion is totally back, and I've been gradually building back up the weights I'm pushing.

I still know there is something wrong back there if I hyperextend it, but it isn't bothering me during workouts. I'm hoping to never have to have it operated on...

BradleyS
02-15-2008, 10:44 PM
look into prolotherapy, i have 2 terrible shoulders one of which is similiar to yours in that its unstable and causing pain/weakness. i start prolo in 6 days, and will keep you updated on the progress. be sure to remind me with a pm in 3 weeks or so . the research ive done on the prolo looks great, and it cna heal labrum tears.

The research you have done? What research?

http://slaptear.com/component/option,com_mamboboard/Itemid,23/func,view/id,1383/catid,13/limit,6/limitstart,0/

^^ that research?


its a misconception that the labrum actually contributes to shoulder stability. cartilage is not made to stabilize the joint, this is the ligaments job, when they are loose you get pain and instability. prolotherapy tightens the ligaments

No single structure in the shoulder is responsible for stability. The labrum adds stability by providing depth to the gelnoid. That might explain to you while you can have a stable shoulder while having a torn labrum.



I'm thinking I'm just going to get it done in March..thanks for your opinions BradleyS and RyanGrob.

As for the prolo, I have looked into it.. I dunno, seems like it would help in a lot of different problems such as tendon strains, tendonitis, arthritis, etc. things that have to do with natural "wear and tear" or strains on joints, but for an actual structural problem, I don't see how it could help, especially in my case.

An injection cannot cause the torn part of my labrum to re-attach itself back onto the rim of the Glenoid fossa.

As for the glenohumeral ligaments providing stability and not the labrum, I dunno about this either. You are correct about the ligaments providing stability, but I'm pretty sure the labrum deepens the socket that the humeral head sits in, therefore providing with more inherent stability. The reason you don't see people dislocating their hips very often is because of how deep the head of the femur sits into the acetabulum (hip socket), it is very deep and stable compared to the relatively shallow and more unstable glenohumeral socket.

Don't get me wrong, if it works than hell, that would be pretty sweet. But I'm not so sure if it can help me out. Good luck with it though.

You are a smart man...repped you back.


Prolotherapy is a much more humane way to heal the shoulder vs surgery IMO, ive had labrum repair surgery before and its something you want to avoid at all costs due to the pain and how long it takes to recover from.

humane way? You can try prolotherapy all you want, but it does not guarantee you can heal the tear.

Labral tears that heal themselves are rare. Very rare. You hear stories about it every once in a while with very small tears. Does it actually repair the labrum by helping blood flow in the area? I don't know. I don't think anyone does. Is there any concrete objective information on this? No.

My surgeon, Dr. Brad Plaga, straight up told me if I wanted to be back to normal, I would need this surgery. He performs countless flawless surgeries, I think he would be the man to know. I tried physical therapy for more than a year to get my shoulders to 'heal' and it did jack ****. My physical therapist has a torn labrum in his right shoulder and his shoulder is stable. He has had it for years, and his never healed. I sure as hell can tell you my tears did not heal on their own.





http://slaptear.com/component/option,com_mamboboard/Itemid,23/func,view/id,1383/catid,13/limit,6/limitstart,6/


Prolotherapy is a series of shots taken 3-6 times every 2-3 weeks and with each shot it inflames an injured joint which encourages bloodflow and healing. Since it increases healing its a good idea to use it post-op slap repair, since slap tears can be stuborn to heal.

You suggested here to use it incident to surgery.

Click back to the first page of that thread, on 2007/04/13 01:44 you said you are going to let them know how it was. So, how was it?





Wow, a ton of bad advice floating around this post. First an MRI can determine a tear. Second the guy saying a arthroscopy is not surgery is out of his mind. Let him have his shoulder scoped and then say that. In order to get the scope portal and the accessory portal in the shoulder you have to make at least a 5mm "nic" in the skin and then in the deltoid. The pain from the surgery is most often pain from going through the delt.
I had a similar problem but without the MRI ****. My copay like yours was high as **** (1/4 the price of the surgery). I elected to have arthroscopic "surgery" on what (like you) was a known problem. First the doc preformed a minipulation under anseth and then moved forward with the surgery. I ended up needing a sup labral replair and an acromioplasty. 100% today. Don't just go to any ortho in your area find a sports med guy doing a bunch of these surgerys. Guys who will repair your issue arthroscopic, NOT OPEN or Mini Open.. If they split that delt your in a **** load of pain. Get a block and ice ice ice. If they use anchors to repair it, don't be a jackass follow his post op orders. Those anchors are made of PLLA or PGA (absorbable plastic) and are easy to pull out.

you are a smart man too, repped.

My surgeon told me he MIGHT have to open the shoulder if he was unable to get it with a scope. He ended up being able to get it with the scope, lucky for me. There are different opinions on using a scope or open, but I do believe you when you say open surgery would hurt like a bitch.

I had a block on my left shoulder and it did not take and I was in hell for a few days. I stayed in the hospital for two days. I didn't need a block on my other shoulder, the "bad right shoulder." I went home a few hours after waking up. Glad to hear you are 100%.


Good luck with your shoulder. I'm claustrophobic, and had to get two MRIs for my shoulder. No fun. Nor was the dye injection.

My story is similar to many here:

Injured shoulder pulling luggage out of overhead. Tried to wait it out, but it didn't get better. First MRI, at the behest of my GP before he'd do a referral, showed nothing. Got a referral for a great shoulder guy who did my dad's rotator cuff in '06, he ordered another MRI, this one an arthogram with dye injection.

There was a small (~ 1mm) cyst in the back labrum. Before he cut on me, he wanted me to do 3 months of rehab on it (which took 4 months because of business travel).

I approached the PT with the same attitude of a workout. Effort and intensity. It frankly shocked me how many people in the place moved like zombies, yet still expected to see results. At the end, it wasn't hurting at all during normal daily activity, it didn't wake me up hurting, etc. My doc said that as long as it was no longer constantly hurting, and it wasn't affecting my daily life, he didn't want to cut on it.

Since January I've been back in the gym, starting at about 60% of what I was doing pre-injury. It feels *way* better, my range of motion is totally back, and I've been gradually building back up the weights I'm pushing.

I still know there is something wrong back there if I hyperextend it, but it isn't bothering me during workouts. I'm hoping to never have to have it operated on...

Glad to hear you're doing well. I had problems with my shoulders for years before deciding to get surgery. Therapy was great, and my shoulders felt much more stable after three or four months. Even with keeping up on therapy, my shoulders still found a few positions to hurt me at random times. I just couldn't shake it off.

I hope you never have to have it operated on either, keep it up!





There are tons of different opinions in this thread, as well as lots of misinformation. However, I think we can all agree that labral tears suck...

alexclark
02-16-2008, 12:18 AM
Very interesting thread. I'm only dealing with shoulder impingement on both sides due to some major rotator cuff irritation, I gotta hand it to you guys for hanging in there and sticking it out with your serious injuries.

To the OP: based on your avatar pic taken during your prime, it looks like even before your injury, your shoulders were way out of wack. Your shoulders are rounded and your pecs look very very tight. My guess is that when lifting your shoulders were NOT in a natural position - they were to far forward, especially during benching and other pressing movements. This puts so much extra strain/stress on the entire shoulder girdle. So when you get through the surgery and rehab, be sure to lift with excellent posture. This means keeping your shoulder blades back towards each other and down during all lifts. These muscles can be strengthened so that this occurs naturally through scapular retraction. See the following:


Scapular Retraction:

The Start: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/likness22g.jpg
The Finish: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/likness22h.jpg

This is a great exercise for your shoulder blades.. This will help you if you have rounded shoulders, as it works in pulling the shoulders back so that they?€™re in a more natural position. While this does not directly target the RC per se, I still found it to be a great exercise that worked really well. Again, use light weights anywhere between 5-20 pound dumbbells when you first try it. Shoot for about 10-15 reps and concentrate on really squeezing your shoulder blades together. If you go to heavy, you won?€™t be able to do this and you?€™ll compromise your form, which is always a no-no.

Taken from http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=529968

^read this, if you haven't.

herr_hoehn
08-14-2008, 07:53 PM
I'm a chef, not a gym geek like i was a few years ago. either way I'm still hurt from an injury I sustained 6-6.5 years ago in the gym doing dumbell flys with my brother...note to self, the guy spotting shouldnt laugh at his own joke.

that being said I'm stuborn and have not gone to sort my injury from long ago and now have been off work for more than 6 moths and refered from specialist to specialist.

they all thought it was the usual bankard/rotate bu is now something in my back that they are not sure an operation will do much for.

I'm canadian so this should be free but because the wait is so long I have gone second tear to speed things up as this is having a huge effect on my carreer as a chef.

needless to say I have forked over 1760 for an mri with anthroscopic imaging. now I need my ortho specialist to refer me to an orthodic surgical specialist as the tear is not something that she knows what to do with.

the news i get from the doc is that it could be up to another two years wait to see the next specialist...

honestly...free health care....really?

not saying that I would go corporate like america but for having one of the best systems on the planet, there are some major issues that still fall through the cracks.

and thanks my gripe

ftsnyc
09-07-2008, 12:38 PM
Hello,

Just wondering if anyone else went through hell after the contrast dye was injected. My left shoulder has been unstable for about 3 years. It first dislocated while getting out of bed and turning it the wrong way. The last time it slid out was about 6 weeks ago. I finally went to a sports medicine specialist and had the MRI last Thursday at 11am. Shortly after the dye was injected, I was sure that my shoulder was going to slide out. I had to hold it in place, and became panicky (I am terrible with pain). I made it through the MRI until I had to put my left arm over my head. I was able to do that for 1 minute, then had to stop. That was bad enough:
I was unable to use my left arm for the next 8 hours, and had to hold my shoulder when I was not sitting in a recliner. The technician said that the dye may have expanded the tissues/muscles, etc. and pushed the shoulder toward sliding out, but he was not sure. They had never seen this reaction before. The shoulder never did slide out or dislocate, but it was as close as it could have been, and was terribly uncomfortable and often painful. It is still sore 3 days later.
I have read that some people are allergic to the dye, but that did not seem to be the case here. I cannot reach the sports medicine doctor until Tuesday, and do not get my MRI results until next Thursday.
Does any of this sound familiar to anyone here?

Thanks.
Frank

Braindrop
09-08-2008, 08:41 AM
I was sore for a day after the dye injection, but nothing worse than bad DOMS.

Nainoa
09-08-2008, 08:50 AM
Hello,

Just wondering if anyone else went through hell after the contrast dye was injected. My left shoulder has been unstable for about 3 years. It first dislocated while getting out of bed and turning it the wrong way. The last time it slid out was about 6 weeks ago. I finally went to a sports medicine specialist and had the MRI last Thursday at 11am. Shortly after the dye was injected, I was sure that my shoulder was going to slide out. I had to hold it in place, and became panicky (I am terrible with pain). I made it through the MRI until I had to put my left arm over my head. I was able to do that for 1 minute, then had to stop. That was bad enough:
I was unable to use my left arm for the next 8 hours, and had to hold my shoulder when I was not sitting in a recliner. The technician said that the dye may have expanded the tissues/muscles, etc. and pushed the shoulder toward sliding out, but he was not sure. They had never seen this reaction before. The shoulder never did slide out or dislocate, but it was as close as it could have been, and was terribly uncomfortable and often painful. It is still sore 3 days later.
I have read that some people are allergic to the dye, but that did not seem to be the case here. I cannot reach the sports medicine doctor until Tuesday, and do not get my MRI results until next Thursday.
Does any of this sound familiar to anyone here?

Thanks.
Frank

I would "Guess" that the fluid didn't push the shoulder out of the joint... However, the Dye and injection could have caused irritation that lead to inflamation, and when the joint is inflamed, not everything lines up correctly, which depending on what's inflamed, can make the shoulder "Feel Unstable."

ndgal
09-08-2008, 08:51 AM
get a second opinion. preferably from an ortho. doc

defwerd
03-13-2009, 11:17 AM
i know this topic is old but..

just recently had an mri for my left shoulder (pain is ONLY get when working on my chest or shoulders) had it for about 6 months and finally got an mri this past week. said it was a labral tear and need surgery. id like to opt out of it since im not in pain of everyday movements just during workouts. i do get pain in my neck from time to time and wondering if anyone had similar symptoms? Usually during any chest exercise my shoulder goes numb and has no strength feels like i'm pressing with just my right pec. not sure where this injury came from at all. im gonna try and get to a specialist and maybe just rehab it back to health.

daniel_2k8
03-13-2009, 11:40 AM
I feel ur pain. Iv'e had pain and problems with my shoulders for 3 year now and been out of the gym for 1 year and when i had a mri scan it came back normal and they are saying that it is just the tendons are aggravated aswell. I am in constant pain all day everyday and even wake up at night if i go onto my shoulder.

JBlaze725
03-13-2009, 11:57 AM
I say go ahead and try to rehab it as best you can and see how it feels. I had surgery 12 1/2 months ago and it still doesn't feel right. I'm not sure it ever will. I chose to go with the surgery because of the doctor's opinion, the physical therapist's opinion, and because I thought I would be 100% again, but that's not the case. If after rehabbing it still feels like crap, consider surgery, but understand it may not completely fix your issues. Best of luck.

mkit8971
03-13-2009, 12:40 PM
I was diagnosed with a SLAP tear about 2 weeks ago. Injury happened about a month ago doing exercises that i've been doing for 6-8 months now. I stopped all upper body activity, had phyiscal therapy for a week to teach myself stretches and exercises to help strengthen the rotator cuff area. I feel great right now, just a slight discomfort when lifting heavier objects. I am going to continue doing what i'm doing and see how i feel in a month or two. If the tear is minor it probably can be helped with PT and hard work, but if the shoulder itself is unstable and fails to respond to treatment then surgery is your only choice.

CARNAGE11
03-13-2009, 04:12 PM
I just had one on Tuesday, dr. says (he's a general dr. by the way, not a shoulder specialist) that nothing appears to be torn,and that it looks like the tendons are just aggravated.

This is such bull**** if the tendons were just aggravated I wouldn't have major shoulder instability and the symptoms of a possible labral/s.l.a.p. tear for the past 6 months with no improvement. I'm so f*cking frustrated right now as I don't know what to do. I've been living with this pain for 6 months and I want to know exactly what's wrong and get it fixed. I know that there's a lot more damage than just some "tendon aggravation"

The MRI they didn't inject the shoulder with any solution which maybe made it not accurate enough? I don't know. I'm probably going to need a second opinion from a real sports doc. who deals with this stuff all the time.

Anyone have suggestions?

man I am going through the same bull **** havent lifted in 4 months hurts like hell and when it came tome to look inside after my mri he wanted me to wait 6 more weeks after some cortisone still ****ing hurts and dont think 6 weeks will magically heal whats hurt for 5 months

JDkeystone
05-01-2010, 10:47 PM
bumping this old thread.

So the general consensus seems to be that arthrograms are significantly superior to regular MRIs. I've been looking online and have found conflicting articles and studies; some saying that arthrograms are more reliable, others saying MRIs are the preferred testing method for shoulder damage, and then others saying both are about the same. If you guys had to give a number rating for each, how much more effective would you say an arthrogram is over a standard MRI for tear/lesion/damage detection?

FLbeach321
05-01-2010, 10:52 PM
My MRI found my Labral tear. But I still believe the best way is arthrogram

chickeneater
05-01-2010, 10:54 PM
I just had one on Tuesday, dr. says (he's a general dr. by the way, not a shoulder specialist) that nothing appears to be torn,and that it looks like the tendons are just aggravated.

This is such bull**** if the tendons were just aggravated I wouldn't have major shoulder instability and the symptoms of a possible labral/s.l.a.p. tear for the past 6 months with no improvement. I'm so f*cking frustrated right now as I don't know what to do. I've been living with this pain for 6 months and I want to know exactly what's wrong and get it fixed. I know that there's a lot more damage than just some "tendon aggravation"

The MRI they didn't inject the shoulder with any solution which maybe made it not accurate enough? I don't know. I'm probably going to need a second opinion from a real sports doc. who deals with this stuff all the time.

Anyone have suggestions?

I did'nt read any posts, but have had both my shoulders scoped. The left just this january. Anyways, the doc told me my right had a tear via the mri due to some white stuff in the pic. After surgery they only cleaned up a minor tear on the labrum, and ground some bone down. I was pain free in 4 mos. I was shocked there was nothing to reattatch.

Fast forward to this Jan, and same thing. White stuff indicating tear or fluid. It always felt detatched and loose. I put up with if for 3 years. Then I get it done, and whatta ya know, no tear. Just another clean out. And I kinda rushed it with pt and weights, and think it will take longer to heal now if it does. I'm wondering if it will get chronic.

Anyways, yes, any inflammation there will feel like something is detatched or torn. You may or may not have a tear. The Doc tells me shoulder mri's are unessesary. If the xray is clean, then surgery is the next option if rest and pt don't work.

JDkeystone
05-01-2010, 11:00 PM
My MRI found my Labral tear. But I still believe the best way is arthrogram

Heh lucky you (as you know, mine didn't show fcuk all);)

But I'm kinda noticing a pattern from this thread; someone goes to a doctor with specific shoulder problems, the doctor orders a regular MRI, the MRI either doesn't show anything or is inconclusive as to what the damage is or how bad...yet the doctor seems to base their decision to not do any further testing because the MRI didn't reveal anything. Is this a rule in medicine or something, or would common sense not dictate that if a patient is suffering from specific shoulder symptoms, that more invasive testing should be done if previous testing showed no results?

RyanGrob
05-03-2010, 12:16 PM
The Doc tells me shoulder mri's are unessesary. If the xray is clean, then surgery is the next option if rest and pt don't work.

I don't agree with this at all, but I'm not a doctor.

Regardless, arthrogram's are touted for being superior to MRI's for detecting tears (labrum or RC) but it didn't detect mine. Take it as you will.

jepitt
05-03-2010, 04:38 PM
Then how did you get yours detected?

jepitt
05-03-2010, 04:40 PM
Not all of them need surgery. Booo Weekley a golfer tore both of his. Dr. Andrews ( best sports medicine ortho surgeon around said- "It will heal on its own". Surgeons have been classifying many labrum lesions or problems that they will heal.

MuscGainLyght13
05-04-2010, 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by chickeneater
The Doc tells me shoulder mri's are unessesary. If the xray is clean, then surgery is the next option if rest and pt don't work.


Is this even a serious claim? Xrays show bones, MRIs show soft tissues. If the xray is clean, great you dont have any bone damage, that has absolutely little to no correlation to that of tendon or muscle damage. If xray is clean, and pt and rest doesnt work, the next option would be an MRI. They have to know whats wrong. I would bet money on almost every surgeon, that if you have time for PT and you have rested it, they will demand an MRI before they cut into you. They want to know what they will have to do, not cut you open, allow more time for infections to become present and search for whats wrong. They want to have a clear cut precise plan of action before you even show up for the surgery that day. So, I think in all common sense MRIs are necessary. Also, many if not all insurance companies will demand you to have an MRI done before surgery, they are not going to want to pay for a surgery if you dont even need it. It could be some neuro pain, and have nothing to do with any muscle or tendon (since the clean xray would eliminate bone). In fact, most insurance companies will have you take PT for an expended amount of time, even if the chances for PT to correct the issue is extremely slim.

Another thing with pain, ESPECIALLY in your shoulder, you could feel pain in this area, but the problem could be in another area, no way would they not have you do an MRI before surgery.

JDkeystone
05-04-2010, 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by chickeneater
The Doc tells me shoulder mri's are unessesary. If the xray is clean, then surgery is the next option if rest and pt don't work.


Is this even a serious claim? Xrays show bones, MRIs show soft tissues. If the xray is clean, great you dont have any bone damage, that has absolutely little to no correlation to that of tendon or muscle damage. If xray is clean, and pt and rest doesnt work, the next option would be an MRI. They have to know whats wrong. I would bet money on almost every surgeon, that if you have time for PT and you have rested it, they will demand an MRI before they cut into you. They want to know what they will have to do, not cut you open, allow more time for infections to become present and search for whats wrong. They want to have a clear cut precise plan of action before you even show up for the surgery that day. So, I think in all common sense MRIs are necessary. Also, many if not all insurance companies will demand you to have an MRI done before surgery, they are not going to want to pay for a surgery if you dont even need it. It could be some neuro pain, and have nothing to do with any muscle or tendon (since the clean xray would eliminate bone). In fact, most insurance companies will have you take PT for an expended amount of time, even if the chances for PT to correct the issue is extremely slim.

Another thing with pain, ESPECIALLY in your shoulder, you could feel pain in this area, but the problem could be in another area, no way would they not have you do an MRI before surgery.

But what good is an MRI if it doesn't show anything in the final results? I had an MRI two years ago after I had dislocated my shoulder nine times, and it didn't show anything at all. The doctor I was seeing at the time seemed to think this was sufficient enough evidence that there was nothing surgically repairable in my shoulder, therefore I was no longer in need of his care. I was literally told that, short of doing physio for the rest of my life, I would just have to "live with it". And being that he's the doctor and I'm the patient, I believed him and tried to go on with life...and ended up dislocating my shoulder an additional 24 times in less than two years, because I actually did have a torn labrum (and a lot of other damage, too). And all because this guy convinced me the MRI results were the be all and end all of whether or not my shoulder could be fixed with surgery.

I fully agree with the OP; trust your body, not MRIs. If I had done that and sought out help from yet another shoulder specialist sooner, I might've been able to avoid the last two years of continuous pain and suffering (yes, mad).

jepitt
05-04-2010, 05:45 PM
Pumped 4 life you also have to remeber that MRIs show problems with people that are not in pain or with "problems". Like many of the studies I have been reading, they can take average people with no shoulder problems and give them an MRI. And the MRI shows some type of ligaments, or cart ledge damage, but the people are not in pain and do not need surgery. So we have to remember we don’t know the scientific backing and medical experience into reading the MRIs. This would be a good question for the radiographer and other orthopedic surgeons. They could probably be ruling out stuff when they look. Say for instance it showed you had a tear that did not look bad enough, and might have looked the same as the persons MRI with no pain/symptom problems. Remember everyone’s body acts differently to these things. It sucks we have to go through pain. But if I were you and could ever get a hold of that original doctor or radiologist, you should ask them this.

JDkeystone
05-04-2010, 06:01 PM
But if I were you and could ever get a hold of that original doctor or radiologist, you should ask them this.

lol Oh, I'm getting "ahold" of him, alright...through a lawyer. :)

jepitt
05-04-2010, 06:49 PM
ha yea but try to find out really. I have been researching this there is too much of conflicting reports. Do you think you have a malpractice case?? If he didn't do anything to change your condition, or cut on you I am sceptical. Not to give your hopes up or anything, I don't know. Let me know.

jepitt
05-04-2010, 06:49 PM
So your still in pain from the surgery??? How long ago was the surgery and injury now? Also what did you do to tear the labrum?? Do you know ?

MuscGainLyght13
05-04-2010, 07:59 PM
But what good is an MRI if it doesn't show anything in the final results? I had an MRI two years ago after I had dislocated my shoulder nine times, and it didn't show anything at all. The doctor I was seeing at the time seemed to think this was sufficient enough evidence that there was nothing surgically repairable in my shoulder, therefore I was no longer in need of his care. I was literally told that, short of doing physio for the rest of my life, I would just have to "live with it". And being that he's the doctor and I'm the patient, I believed him and tried to go on with life...and ended up dislocating my shoulder an additional 24 times in less than two years, because I actually did have a torn labrum (and a lot of other damage, too). And all because this guy convinced me the MRI results were the be all and end all of whether or not my shoulder could be fixed with surgery.

I fully agree with the OP; trust your body, not MRIs. If I had done that and sought out help from yet another shoulder specialist sooner, I might've been able to avoid the last two years of continuous pain and suffering (yes, mad).

You couldve gotten the torn labrum after the additional 24 times of dislocating it. Are you double jointed are extremely flexible? An MRI on the shoulder without gadolinium dyes are useless if you are searching for a torn labrum. If the MRI shows no structural damage, why should anyone think there would need to be any kind of surgical precision done? Even you would have to agree on that, if you look at a window and there is no cracks, why would you think you need a new one? There are many more things that cause pain then just structural damage. The other damage you are mentioning probably was due to the torn labrum. This meaning after you tore your labrum, the other muscles and tendons had to make up for the instability which caused them to get injured. The AC joint and 4 muscles that comprise the RC can take a strain trying to keep your glenohumeral joint stable. This generally causes them to become inflamed and in some cases severely injured.

In all honesty, I dont know why you decided to just 'live with it'. I am not bashing you at all, so please dont take it that way, its just that why would you not see another specialist, the worst thing that couldve been done is to be told to 'live with it' again. Especially after several dislocations, the chance of your labrum being torn after just a few is astronomical. You have to remember that in relative terms, labral surgery is a relative new surgery that really began to grow in advances in the last few years.

JDkeystone
05-04-2010, 08:00 PM
ha yea but try to find out really. I have been researching this there is too much of conflicting reports. Do you think you have a malpractice case?? If he didn't do anything to change your condition, or cut on you I am sceptical. Not to give your hopes up or anything, I don't know. Let me know.


So your still in pain from the surgery??? How long ago was the surgery and injury now? Also what did you do to tear the labrum?? Do you know ?

lol sorry, but was that 2nd question about pain to me as well? (if it was directed to someone else, let me know heh).

Anyways, right now I do think I may have a potential malpractice claim against my last doctor (two different lawyers have unofficially told me this as their professional opinions, even though I still need to have an in-person consultation with a civil litigation lawyer first). I mean, I'm no law expert or anything, but even my current doctor has told me I should've had surgery a long time ago, and that I should also have had an MR arthrogram, instead of just a regular MRI. The previous doctor never once gave me this as an option, and when the MRI turned up nothing, he made zero effort to do any further testing, even though something was clearly wrong with my shoulder (nine dislocations in five years was proof enough of this). So I'm going to be taking this as far as I can within the parametres of the law, cuz I feel I'm owed some compensation for all the unnecessary suffering I went through because of this. I'll be keeping my own log updated on this, too, so you can check out the details there as I go along.

JDkeystone
05-04-2010, 08:12 PM
You couldve gotten the torn labrum after the additional 24 times of dislocating it. Are you double jointed are extremely flexible? An MRI on the shoulder without gadolinium dyes are useless if you are searching for a torn labrum. If the MRI shows no structural damage, why should anyone think there would need to be any kind of surgical precision done? Even you would have to agree on that, if you look at a window and there is no cracks, why would you think you need a new one? There are many more things that cause pain then just structural damage. The other damage you are mentioning probably was due to the torn labrum. This meaning after you tore your labrum, the other muscles and tendons had to make up for the instability which caused them to get injured. The AC joint and 4 muscles that comprise the RC can take a strain trying to keep your glenohumeral joint stable. This generally causes them to become inflamed and in some cases severely injured.

In all honesty, I dont know why you decided to just 'live with it'. I am not bashing you at all, so please dont take it that way, its just that why would you not see another specialist, the worst thing that couldve been done is to be told to 'live with it' again. Especially after several dislocations, the chance of your labrum being torn after just a few is astronomical. You have to remember that in relative terms, labral surgery is a relative new surgery that really began to grow in advances in the last few years.

I agree they're useless without the dye. But as I mentioned in my last response (I guess we were both typing at the same time before), the previous doctor I was seeing never even gave me the option for an arthrogram; he just booked me for a regular MRI after my 9th dislocation, and then told me I was on my own after the results came back showing "nothing". If it's agreed (more or less) in the medical community that arthrograms are the superior method for examining tissue damage in shoulders (or wherever), then why the hell was I not given one? This is why I'm taking this to a lawyer; cuz I don't feel my case was handled properly by the previous doctor, and I wanna see if the law agrees with me.

And for the record, this doctor was actually my "2nd opinion" doctor (I had seen another specialist a few years prior, who had given me the same diagnosis and prognosis, but without even having done an MRI or anything at all). This was why I didn't try to find a 3rd specialist for as long as I did; cuz I had already seen (what I assumed) were two "qualified" doctors who had both told me the same thing. They're the ones who spent years training in medical school, not me, so I'm obviously gonna assume they're relatively knowledgable on what they're doing (but apparently not, in this case).

And no offense taken, btw (believe me, I'm kicking myself enough as it is for waiting as long as I did lol).;) But like I said, the previous doctor was absolutely adamant that his final diagnosis and prognosis were indisputable, and that I would be told this no matter where I went (especially now that there was an MRI to back him up). So it really kinda left me feeling like all avenues had been exhausted, and that I had no other choice but to just deal with it as is (which ended up being wrong, but unfortunately I can't change that now).

MuscGainLyght13
05-04-2010, 08:28 PM
I agree they're useless without the dye. But as I mentioned in my last response (I guess we were both typing at the same time before), the previous doctor I was seeing never even gave me the option for an arthrogram; he just booked me for a regular MRI after my 9th dislocation, and then told me I was on my own after the results came back showing "nothing". If it's agreed (more or less) in the medical community that arthrograms are the superior method for examining tissue damage in shoulders (or wherever), then why the hell was I not given one? This is why I'm taking this to a lawyer; cuz I don't feel my case was handled properly by the previous doctor, and I wanna see if the law agrees with me.

And for the record, this doctor was actually my "2nd opinion" doctor (I had seen another specialist a few years prior, who had given me the same diagnosis and prognosis, but without even having done an MRI or anything at all). This was why I didn't try to find a 3rd specialist for as long as I did; cuz I had already seen (what I assumed) were two "qualified" doctors who had both told me the same thing. They're the ones who spent years training in medical school, not me, so I'm obviously gonna assume they're relatively knowledgable on what they're doing (but apparently not, in this case).

And no offense taken, btw (believe me, I'm kicking myself enough as it is for waiting as long as I did lol).;) But like I said, the previous doctor was absolutely adamant that his final diagnosis and prognosis were indisputable, and that I would be told this no matter where I went (especially now that there was an MRI to back him up). So it really kinda left me feeling like all avenues had been exhausted, and that I had no other choice but to just deal with it as is (which ended up being wrong, but unfortunately I can't change that now).

Yeah, sounds unfortunate. I guess the only to say to support the doctors side of it is that labral surgeries are relatively new surgeries and labral tears a relatively new discovered injuries.

Best of luck in the law situation, hopefully you are able to do something.

MuscGainLyght13
05-04-2010, 08:38 PM
Well while we are on the bashing trail of doctors lol, I might as well tell a small snipet of my story of my labrum tear.

I tore my labrum in November and took a few weeks off and rehabed it (have friends who are in doctoral pt programs) and it didnt get better. So I went in for my first visit with an MD and he said it was a subscalpularis strain (which I showed no symptoms of it being it). He told me if I didnt feel any better in two weeks to make another appointment. Before I left the office I immediately went to the desk and set up another appointment that landed exactly two weeks following the forementioned appointment (I felt I had to respect him and didnt just want to get another appointment the following day even though the chance of it being a subscalpularis strain was slim to none. So after the two weeks were up I came to see a different doctor (he knew me and graduated from my high school, I trusted him more). Within 5-7 mins, he suggested that I had a tear in my superior labrum. So, this is what I was waiting for.

So moral of the story, some doctors either are bad, or they have bad days...lol

mghandi
02-27-2014, 05:20 PM
I'm thinking I'm just going to get it done in March..thanks for your opinions BradleyS and RyanGrob.



Hey TheWatcher,

Did you get the surgery and did it work? Are you happy with the outcome.
When I read your initial post, I though that what you described sounds exactly like what I've been going through for a few months now. I've had x-rays and MRI (no die) and the so called specialist says theres just some inflammation of the bicep tendon. I'm doing PT but it's just getting worse.

Let me know how this turned out.

Thanks..