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BeBig22
10-29-2003, 01:37 PM
Just in case this wasnt posted already...
By LAURAN NEERGAARD AP Medical Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - THG, the newly detected steroid that is casting a shadow on Olympic and professional sports, is an illegal drug that may pose considerable health risks, the government warned Tuesday.

THG has been sold in the guise of a dietary supplement when it is in fact a drug that lacks federal permission for sale in this country, the Food and Drug Administration said. It is a drug derived from another steroid long banned in athletics, the agency said.

The FDA's official designation of THG as illegal, although anticipated since scandal over the once undetectable steroid broke out, puts manufacturers on notice that the government will crack down on anyone caught selling it.

It also is the strongest warning yet that using THG is risky. Anabolic steroids can have dangerous side effects, including liver damage, heart disease, anxiety and rage. While little is known about THG's specific effects because it is new, its close chemical similarity to other well-known steroids means it poses the same risks, FDA Associate Commissioner John Taylor said.

``The greatest importance is preventing exposure and trying to nip this in the bud,'' he said.

Swimming's world governing body announced Tuesday that hundreds of athletes' urine samples from the world championship in July will be retested for the new steroid.

The news came during a two-day symposium in Colorado Springs, Colo., where more than 30 delegates from national anti-doping agencies, international federations, testing laboratories and athletes discussed testing athletes out of competition.

U.S. drug authorities first learned about THG, or tetrahydrogestrinone, this summer after an unidentified coach gave them a syringe containing it. THG apparently was designed specifically to be undetectable by the standard test given to athletes.

Now armed with a test, sports organizations are scrambling to re-examine athletes and to decide what penalties to impose for THG use. Four U.S. track and field athletes have tested positive for THG, and Europe's top sprinter has admitted taking it in nutritional supplements that he says he thought were allowed.

Exactly who developed THG is unclear. Dozens of top Olympic and professional athletes have been subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury probing a California lab that allegedly sold some. Its owner has denied supplying THG, and federal officials, including FDA's Taylor, refuse to comment on the scope of their investigation.

Troubling to lawmakers is that THG apparently was sneaked onto the market in the guise of a dietary supplement. It's not a supplement but an unapproved drug, making any sale or usage illegal, FDA's Taylor said.

Currently, however, ``There's nothing to stop another group of folks in another lab from concocting another designer steroid that will circumvent this FDA ruling,'' said Joe Shoemaker, spokesman for Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill.

Durbin is pushing legislation that would give FDA broader oversight over dietary supplements to prevent steroids from being sneaked onto the market.

The senator said he was unimpressed by the agency's move against THG and said it falls short of dealing with similar substances.

``It's sad that it takes a national controversy, a lawsuit and a lot of publicity to bring the FDA around to their core responsibilities,'' he said in an interview.

Sens. Joseph Biden, D-Del., and Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, introduced similar legislation last week that also would outlaw steroid precursors like androstenedione, popularized by baseball's Mark McGwire.

Anabolic steroids are synthetic versions of the male hormone testosterone. Some are approved by FDA for prescription-only sale to treat certain diseases; athletes use them illegally to bulk up muscle and enhance performance.

FDA's testing of THG shows it was derived by simple chemical modification of gestrinone, a drug used in Europe to treat a gynecologic condition. It is explicitly banned by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, which monitors drug use by athletes in Olympic sports. THG also is very closely related to trenbolone, a controlled substance used to bulk up cattle.

THG ``is a designer steroid in the truest sense,'' Taylor told a Senate committee.


Associated Press Writer Elizabeth Wolfe contributed to this report.

Copyright: Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

NO MERCY
10-29-2003, 02:03 PM
thank you.

What does everyone think of this statement...

"Troubling to lawmakers is that THG apparently was sneaked onto the market in the guise of a dietary supplement. It's not a supplement but an unapproved drug, making any sale or usage illegal, FDA's Taylor said."

SLY
10-29-2003, 03:22 PM
What dietary supplement was it suppose to be in?

Governor
10-29-2003, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by SLY
What dietary supplement was it suppose to be in?

bump for that maybe theres some around still..lol

Patrick Arnold
10-31-2003, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by NO MERCY
thank you.

What does everyone think of this statement...

"Troubling to lawmakers is that THG apparently was sneaked onto the market in the guise of a dietary supplement. It's not a supplement but an unapproved drug, making any sale or usage illegal, FDA's Taylor said."



I think the exact same case can be made against methyl-1-test, hydroxytest, hydroxynandrolone, and maybe even 1-testosterone (among others)

If the compound is not legal by DSHEA (and none of the aforementioned steroids really are) then they are considered unapproved drugs.

ONly difference is that the aforementioned steroids are not as controversial as THG and so the FDA has not be pushed to make the same statement about them. But now that they set the precedent with the THG, will they just decide to keep going and start naming every other non-DSHEA compliant steroid?

Patrick Arnold
10-31-2003, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Governor
bump for that maybe theres some around still..lol



This stuff was never sold as a dietary supplement. That was just a bull**** statement made to drag the supplement industry into this mess. They want to use this THG matter to blacken the supplement industry. That way they can create incentive to push the anti-supplement legislations through congress (some of which go well beyond just banning prohormones)

I don't know how many of you realize what is going on and how quickly everything may be gone now

Sldgehmr
10-31-2003, 09:20 AM
it is really important to write fax or email as many senators in your area as possible. does everyone really want to go back to just gluatmine and creatine supps?

SoupBone
10-31-2003, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Patrick Arnold
I think the exact same case can be made against methyl-1-test, hydroxytest, hydroxynandrolone, and maybe even 1-testosterone (among others)

If the compound is not legal by DSHEA (and none of the aforementioned steroids really are) then they are considered unapproved drugs.

ONly difference is that the aforementioned steroids are not as controversial as THG and so the FDA has not be pushed to make the same statement about them. But now that they set the precedent with the THG, will they just decide to keep going and start naming every other non-DSHEA compliant steroid?

You are SO right. There does not seem to be much standing in the way of the FDA telling us tomorrow that hydroxytest is now illegal.....possibly even 1-test.

Q-dogg
10-31-2003, 09:38 AM
The gov will do what they do to get these supplements to become illegal. They do this all the time, sometimes I think of conspiracy.

Oklahoma Bombing. In the wake of it all congress passed several contraversal law dealing with handgun control and who can buy them. This was attached to a national security act that didnt even deal with handgun issues, the bombing didnt even deal with handgun issues. Sneaky, because before the bombing they had too much public outcry and could not pass these laws, but they "attached" them to the security act and nobody read or heard about it, they didnt really inform the public because they took advantage of the aftermath of the bombing.

I see this happening with the dietary hormones and the designer steroid mess. Everyone pay close attention in the aftermath!! Dont let SAM sneak another one on us.

Sldgehmr
10-31-2003, 09:38 AM
but we also arent helping by posting about if compounds are or are not illegal or if there can be cases made against them. obviously this board is not the same as the front page in a news paper, but we shouldnt bring any extra attention to compounds that are currently not in the spot light. regardless of what they are. let the fda do its own work, why point it out for them.

Kow
10-31-2003, 09:39 AM
Can something not be done about them making bull**** comments like the dietary supplement thing? I mean, as far as I know, just like PA stated, that's an outright lie. Can't these guys be charged with something for outright misinformation? I hate lawsuits as much as the rest of them, but something like this is absolutely uncalled for and ridiculous.

SoupBone
10-31-2003, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Kow
Can something not be done about them making bull**** comments like the dietary supplement thing? I mean, as far as I know, just like PA stated, that's an outright lie. Can't these guys be charged with something for outright misinformation? I hate lawsuits as much as the rest of them, but something like this is absolutely uncalled for and ridiculous.

I'd doubt it. I'm sure BALCO actually did sell it to their customers as a "dietary supplement."

Whoever is writing the articles probably doesn't even know of the existence of 1-test, much less some of the more exotic stuff out there like hydroxytest, m-1-t, etc...

Sldgehmr
10-31-2003, 10:16 AM
(Whoever is writing the articles probably doesn't even know of the existence of 1-test, much less some of the more exotic stuff out there like hydroxytest, m-1-t, etc...)


and we should want to keep it that way.

Patrick Arnold
10-31-2003, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Kow
Can something not be done about them making bull**** comments like the dietary supplement thing? I mean, as far as I know, just like PA stated, that's an outright lie. Can't these guys be charged with something for outright misinformation? I hate lawsuits as much as the rest of them, but something like this is absolutely uncalled for and ridiculous.



this is just reporters saying stuff right now. reporters seem to get away with saying whatever they want to. thing is, reporters say the same BS enough and then the public (as well as brain dead politicians) just accept it as fact

NO MERCY
10-31-2003, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Sldgehmr
(Whoever is writing the articles probably doesn't even know of the existence of 1-test, much less some of the more exotic stuff out there like hydroxytest, m-1-t, etc...)


and we should want to keep it that way.

AGREED