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ohiostate124
10-21-2018, 08:55 AM
GJTM.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/412418-trump-administration-considering-narrowing-legal-definition-of-gender

Trump administration considering narrowing legal definition of gender: report


The Department of Health and Human Services proposed in a memo obtained by the news outlet that government agencies adopt a definition of gender that is determined "on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable."

The change would base sex on the genitals a person is born with.

"The sex listed on a person’s birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person’s sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence," the memo states, according to the Times.

miscinbro
10-21-2018, 09:02 AM
Honest question, why do you care?

Gainzzz
10-21-2018, 09:10 AM
https://i.giphy.com/media/iSKFtpF2HzneE/giphy.gif

jtaylor2010
10-21-2018, 09:20 AM
Honest question, why do you care?


Because it helps slow the unraveling of the social/moral fabric of society and reduces chaos??

ohiostate124
10-21-2018, 09:26 AM
Honest question, why do you care?

Honest question. Why do you not want mentally ill people to get the treatment they need?

CalmWind
10-21-2018, 09:45 AM
Honest question, why do you care?

It's this sort of apathy and beta male behavior that got us in this mess in the first place.


miscinbro, if you don't understand the importance of standing up for something, and creating clear lines and boundaries to protect the established culture, then you need to stop chiming into political issues because your ignorance is a harm to society.


All of Western civilization is here because strong men believed in something, fought for it, sacrificed for it, and protected it from outside influence and corruption.

All American men must believe in the ruthless application of the Truth, regardless of feelings. This is the American tradition, going back to England and Europe, in which we believe that the Truth must be searched for at all times.



Beta male crap like "so what, why do you care" is destructive, and allows all manner of vile, degenerate, beliefs to enter our society and corrupt it.

scheal
10-21-2018, 09:49 AM
Honest question, why do you care?

It keeps things simple

Now liberal teachers cannot try to confuse kids at school

Redfish225
10-21-2018, 09:50 AM
He’s right, there are only two. It’s really not that difficult.

sandaltan
10-21-2018, 10:05 AM
Because it helps slow the unraveling of the social/moral fabric of society and reduces chaos??

toot toot the morality police is here to police your morality.

also wtf u talking about "reduces chaos"

swoleyo
10-21-2018, 10:07 AM
I don't see the problem with this. Two genders are based on science. Multiple genders is based on mental illness which shouldn't be celebrated.

aranadiscoteca
10-21-2018, 10:09 AM
This is pretty extreme

swoleyo
10-21-2018, 10:09 AM
toot toot the morality police is here to police your morality.

also wtf u talking about "reduces chaos"


Chaos = https://i.imgur.com/MhpzjSu.jpg

paul_v
10-21-2018, 11:03 AM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CalmWind again



It's this sort of apathy and beta male behavior that got us in this mess in the first place.


miscinbro, if you don't understand the importance of standing up for something, and creating clear lines and boundaries to protect the established culture, then you need to stop chiming into political issues because your ignorance is a harm to society.


All of Western civilization is here because strong men believed in something, fought for it, sacrificed for it, and protected it from outside influence and corruption.

All American men must believe in the ruthless application of the Truth, regardless of feelings. This is the American tradition, going back to England and Europe, in which we believe that the Truth must be searched for at all times.



Beta male crap like "so what, why do you care" is destructive, and allows all manner of vile, degenerate, beliefs to enter our society and corrupt it.

jtaylor2010
10-21-2018, 11:05 AM
toot toot the morality police is here to police your morality.

also wtf u talking about "reduces chaos"



Don’t worry, you still get to play pretend all you want. It’s just that it’ll be harder to pass legislation based on absolute absurdity. If we’re lucky we may even get back to the good ole days when males compete against other males while females compete against other females.

sandaltan
10-21-2018, 11:07 AM
Don’t worry, you still get to play pretend all you want. It’s just that it’ll be harder to pass legislation based on absolute absurdity. If we’re lucky we may even get back to the good ole days when males compete against other males while females compete against other females.

what is it with trump supporters absolutely fixated on going backwards in time?

DuracellBunny
10-21-2018, 11:08 AM
Don’t worry, you still get to play pretend all you want. It’s just that it’ll be harder to pass legislation based on absolute absurdity. If we’re lucky we may even get back to the good ole days when males compete against other males while females compete against other females.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/08/crazy-talk.gif

J1n
10-21-2018, 11:10 AM
what is it with trump supporters absolutely fixated on going backwards in time?

A time where we didn't pander to people with a mental illness. yeah, those were good times.

go drink some more soy and cry about it you liberal phaggot.

Roldz
10-21-2018, 11:14 AM
It's one of the simplest things in life, and yet these looney fuks go out of their way to try to complicate it.

https://i.imgur.com/orxT971.gif

CalmWind
10-21-2018, 11:15 AM
Don’t worry, you still get to play pretend all you want. It’s just that it’ll be harder to pass legislation based on absolute absurdity. If we’re lucky we may even get back to the good ole days when males compete against other males while females compete against other females.

Really good point you bring up.

Transexuals are breaking records in the female competitions and winning all the championships.

It's a real problem.

kOQfyIhv9GM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOQfyIhv9GM

sandaltan
10-21-2018, 11:15 AM
A time where we didn't pander to people with a mental illness. yeah, those were good times.

go drink some more soy and cry about it you liberal phaggot.

k well good luck with your living in the past goals of 2018

jfcantu
10-21-2018, 11:15 AM
sex != gender

sandaltan
10-21-2018, 11:17 AM
sex != gender

this concept is way too complex for trump supporters to grasp. they like 3-4 word catchphrases (for simplicity!)

SEX GENDER SAME PENIS BOY DUH GIRL VAGINA SIMPLE NPC ME NO THEM YES

jtaylor2010
10-21-2018, 11:23 AM
sex != gender

But legal issues should be based on concrete things and not concepts that the left think can change from day to day or even minute to minute. I’d be perfectly fine with removing gender from protected classes and changing the law so that that rulings are based on sex with complete disregard for gender(as it should’ve been all along). But this may move in that direction while simultaneously reminding people that there are two genders and you don’t get to say “I’m a binary asexual unicorn” while having people take you seriously.

PenorBrahNoHomo
10-21-2018, 11:24 AM
sex != gender

There is no 'gender', only sex. The notion of gender is a marxoid social construct, it doesn't actually exist.

jfcantu
10-21-2018, 11:28 AM
There is no 'gender', only sex. The notion of gender is a marxoid social construct, it doesn't actually exist.

Cool. I look forward to your publication in an anthropological journal.

dashdash89
10-21-2018, 11:28 AM
There is no 'gender', only sex. The notion of gender is a marxoid social construct, it doesn't actually exist.

There are plenty of things which are purely social constructs but are "real" in the sense of having an important impact on how we go about our lives. For example, a state is a social construct

CalmWind
10-21-2018, 11:29 AM
Cool. I look forward to your publication in an anthropological journal.

Nobody cares about journals anymore. Science articles are politically motivated nowadays, and ruled by money.

sandaltan
10-21-2018, 11:32 AM
Nobody cares about journals anymore. Science articles are politically motivated nowadays, and ruled by money.

sound observation, well supported by sources and facts.

PenorBrahNoHomo
10-21-2018, 11:36 AM
Cool. I look forward to your publication in an anthropological journal.

Weak.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1jDvQyhGd3L2g/giphy.gif


There are plenty of things which are purely social constructs but are "real" in the sense of having an important impact on how we go about our lives. For example, a state is a social construct

States aren't constructed specifically to attack cultural norms for nefarious purposes.

KhumatMibra
10-21-2018, 11:40 AM
2 terms

dashdash89
10-21-2018, 11:45 AM
States aren't constructed specifically to attack cultural norms for nefarious purposes.

What evidence do you have that this is for nefarious purposes?

I would be willing to bet that, over the course of human history, the overwhelming majority of cultural norms were phased out. As societies evolve, we realize we were holding onto things that weren't useful and move beyond that. This isn't for nefarious reasons, but instead for cultural evolution. Our societies become more complex just as organisms become more complex -- due to evolution. Saying we should discourage "transgender" definitions because they're too complex is backwards thinking.

That said, I don't really care either way. Personally i'd prefer the Trump administration focus on some more pressing issues which are "grounded in science" :P

Peter Ruby
10-21-2018, 11:46 AM
2 terms

2 scoops

rhadam
10-21-2018, 12:30 PM
Nobody cares about journals anymore. Science articles are politically motivated nowadays, and ruled by money.

And you've gone full retard.

If you've never been in academia, you probably shouldn't spout off about it.

ohiostate124
10-21-2018, 12:43 PM
2 scoops

2 Supreme Court Justices (so far)

TheTrippyOne
10-21-2018, 01:34 PM
GJTM.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/412418-trump-administration-considering-narrowing-legal-definition-of-gender

Trump administration considering narrowing legal definition of gender: report

It makes no sense. On one hand it uses one term, gender, and then says that another term, sex, should be based on biology.

Neither makes much sense since there are those out there that have varying levels of AIS and those would have a chromosomal make up of a man but the outward appearance of a female from birth and throughout life. Then there are the 500 000+ intersex people who have variations and then there are the XXY, XYY, XXX and XXYY people and you know what? You might be one of them. If you haven't been tested it is possible that you are one of them.

But lets play pretend that nature isn't messy at all and that biology fits everything neatly into folders arranged for the moronic imbeciles in politics pleasure, shall we?

When ignorant idiots try to make rules without having a clue what they are doing this is what you end up with.

TheTrippyOne
10-21-2018, 01:36 PM
2 Supreme Court Justices (so far)

Don't worry, there will be 15 of them, all additions democratic very soon after 2020 and there is **** all you can do about it.

You want to play the game, you get to deal with the ****ing results.

BrosefMengele
10-21-2018, 01:39 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CalmWind again

I agree that was a good post by calm wind,

ohiostate124
10-21-2018, 01:43 PM
Don't worry, there will be 15 of them, all additions democratic very soon after 2020 and there is **** all you can do about it.

You want to play the game, you get to deal with the ****ing results.

Lol yeah ok bud

TheTrippyOne
10-21-2018, 01:46 PM
It's this sort of apathy and beta male behavior that got us in this mess in the first place.


miscinbro, if you don't understand the importance of standing up for something, and creating clear lines and boundaries to protect the established culture, then you need to stop chiming into political issues because your ignorance is a harm to society.


All of Western civilization is here because strong men believed in something, fought for it, sacrificed for it, and protected it from outside influence and corruption.

All American men must believe in the ruthless application of the Truth, regardless of feelings. This is the American tradition, going back to England and Europe, in which we believe that the Truth must be searched for at all times.



Beta male crap like "so what, why do you care" is destructive, and allows all manner of vile, degenerate, beliefs to enter our society and corrupt it.

Yeah, **** liberty, **** the first amendment and the real alphas are hiding out in their homes armed to their teeth scared ****less of absolutely everything.

Because that is how that works.

The question is, if it doesn't affect you, should you get a say? This is actually what all of modern law is based on and what the constitution is based on. Rights are not enumerated and anything that isn't explicitly illegal is legal per definition.

Are you really sure you want to change that? The US started this but you hate the US, liberty and the constitution with all of your heart and soul and want to go back to a time when a minority of priests or their likes ruled the populace under the threat of death. Majority rules by through the tyranny of the minority.

The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.

You are probably the most Anti American poster there is on this forum with the possible exception of paul_v.

TheTrippyOne
10-21-2018, 01:47 PM
Lol yeah ok bud

Yup, nothing stopping them from adding as many judges as they please, absolutely nothing.

ohiostate124
10-21-2018, 01:58 PM
Yup, nothing stopping them from adding as many judges as they please, absolutely nothing.

Lol yeah ok bud

CalmWind
10-21-2018, 02:34 PM
And you've gone full retard.

If you've never been in academia, you probably shouldn't spout off about it.

43:42

oYhCQv5tNsQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhCQv5tNsQ

Ilovemygf
10-21-2018, 02:43 PM
Don't worry, there will be 15 of them, all additions democratic very soon after 2020 and there is **** all you can do about it.

You want to play the game, you get to deal with the ****ing results.


1-10 how mad r u?

Gainzzz
10-21-2018, 04:28 PM
It's this sort of apathy and beta male behavior that got us in this mess in the first place.


miscinbro, if you don't understand the importance of standing up for something, and creating clear lines and boundaries to protect the established culture, then you need to stop chiming into political issues because your ignorance is a harm to society.


All of Western civilization is here because strong men believed in something, fought for it, sacrificed for it, and protected it from outside influence and corruption.

All American men must believe in the ruthless application of the Truth, regardless of feelings. This is the American tradition, going back to England and Europe, in which we believe that the Truth must be searched for at all times.



Beta male crap like "so what, why do you care" is destructive, and allows all manner of vile, degenerate, beliefs to enter our society and corrupt it.

https://media.tenor.com/images/96952c4cc0d24d6bb341adefc0932814/tenor.gif

ack33
10-21-2018, 05:06 PM
sex != gender

Then why does Bodybuilding.com only allow you to choose from 2 genders? You should complain

TheTrippyOne
10-21-2018, 05:16 PM
43:42

oYhCQv5tNsQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhCQv5tNsQ

Call yourself whatever you want but never ever call yourself a follower of Jesus because you loathe everything he ever stood for.

TheTrippyOne
10-21-2018, 05:21 PM
Then why does Bodybuilding.com only allow you to choose from 2 genders? You should complain

It doesn't, it allowes you to choose from three possible SEXES.

Gender is not the same thing as sex, sex is biologically determined but ALL studies there are show what gender isn't.

**** science though, right?

BrosefMengele
10-21-2018, 05:33 PM
Call yourself whatever you want but never ever call yourself a follower of Jesus because you loathe everything he ever stood for.

Calm wind doesn't even worship the God of Jesus and calls himself a Christian.

aranadiscoteca
10-21-2018, 05:34 PM
Somewhat relevant and always worth a rewatch

H3pntGBylho

acrawlingchaos
10-21-2018, 05:42 PM
2 scoops


2 terms

https://i.imgflip.com/2kmy0l.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/2kmy0l)










No, but seriously, there are only 2 genders.

BadMonkeyFunker
10-21-2018, 05:47 PM
Because it helps slow the unraveling of the social/moral fabric of society and reduces chaos??

morality you say ?

https://i.redd.it/qzbcrqkhfkt11.jpg

AlwaysFocus
10-21-2018, 05:47 PM
Trump is a bigot. You’re a bigot too.

You lost. Hillary isnt president either.

Fishman15
10-21-2018, 06:38 PM
miscinbro, if you don't understand the importance of standing up for something, and creating clear lines and boundaries to protect the established culture, then you need to stop chiming into political issues because your ignorance is a harm to society.


If you don't stand for something...you'll fall for anything.

Fishman15
10-21-2018, 06:42 PM
Don’t worry, you still get to play pretend all you want. It’s just that it’ll be harder to pass legislation based on absolute absurdity. If we’re lucky we may even get back to the good ole days when males compete against other males while females compete against other females. What about bathrooms...can we get back to mens and womens bathrooms? I know it sounds crazy, I always thought and mens rooms and womens rooms worked pretty well...

ImpressiveGainz
10-21-2018, 07:16 PM
Cool. I look forward to your publication in an anthropological journal.

Your smugness doesn’t make anything you ever say correct. In fact, it makes you just look even dumber.

rhadam
10-21-2018, 07:29 PM
43:42

[youtube]oYhCQv5tNsQ/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhCQv5tNsQ

You have no clue what you are talking about. You have no background in any science discipline, you've never worked in a lab.

jfcantu
10-21-2018, 08:21 PM
Your smugness doesn’t make anything you ever say correct. In fact, it makes you just look even dumber.

I don't really sound smug if you can actually understand what I'm saying.

Maybe get your GED, that might help.

Harbinger
10-22-2018, 04:09 AM
sex != gender

Then why to 'trans' people only switch between two?

KeyboardCoward
10-22-2018, 07:08 AM
Nobody cares about journals anymore. Science articles are politically motivated nowadays, and ruled by money.

"Science doesn't agree with my views."

Am I wrong? No, it's the scientists who are wrong.

arn710
10-22-2018, 07:27 AM
Like marriage, this sounds like something the government should not be getting involved in to any degree

BFast55
10-22-2018, 07:33 AM
Honest question, why do you care?
Dear Zir,

Why wouldn't someone care about clearly defining something as succinct as biology for legal purposes?

Sincerely,
Self-affirmed felx-gender demi-human

Metz00
10-22-2018, 07:36 AM
Sex is biological while gender is a social construct. The problem is that people use the words interchangeably so it creates a misconception. This is understandable because in the West there were always two sexes and two genders and thus it seemed like the same thing. In the East, some cultures have historically had genders (usually can be referred to as a third gender) that aren't considered by their society to be either male or female. Some of these cultures have had these third genders for hundreds of years if not thousands. The problem is when it gets out of hand and dozens of genders are made up to describe how people feel at a particular day or time of the day.

BullStampede
10-22-2018, 07:37 AM
2 terms

2 scoops

2 genders

2 SCJs

2 womps


toot toot the morality police is here to police your morality.

also wtf u talking about "reduces chaos"


Yeah, **** liberty, **** the first amendment and the real alphas are hiding out in their homes armed to their teeth scared ****less of absolutely everything.

Because that is how that works.

The question is, if it doesn't affect you, should you get a say? This is actually what all of modern law is based on and what the constitution is based on. Rights are not enumerated and anything that isn't explicitly illegal is legal per definition.

Are you really sure you want to change that? The US started this but you hate the US, liberty and the constitution with all of your heart and soul and want to go back to a time when a minority of priests or their likes ruled the populace under the threat of death. Majority rules by through the tyranny of the minority.

The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.

You are probably the most Anti American poster there is on this forum with the possible exception of paul_v.

lol glad to see these two are red. Terrible posters.

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 09:10 AM
Sex is biological while gender is a social construct. The problem is that people use the words interchangeably so it creates a misconception. This is understandable because in the West there were always two sexes and two genders and thus it seemed like the same thing. In the East, some cultures have historically had genders (usually can be referred to as a third gender) that aren't considered by their society to be either male or female. Some of these cultures have had these third genders for hundreds of years if not thousands. The problem is when it gets out of hand and dozens of genders are made up to describe how people feel at a particular day or time of the day.

rep'ed for actually understanding the issue

jeffl1980
10-22-2018, 09:16 AM
Honest question, why do you care?

Because I have a daughter........

rdwire88
10-22-2018, 09:18 AM
Question:

Im Pro-life, Pro-Gun, Anti-Wall, Grant Citizenship, Lower Taxes, Only 2 genders Crew, "You want it, work for it" Crew, Anti-Welfare (Unless mentally disabled, etc.)

Am I Blue or Red??

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 09:22 AM
Question:

Im Pro-life, Pro-Gun, Anti-Wall, Grant Citizenship, Lower Taxes, Only 2 genders Crew, "You want it, work for it" Crew, Anti-Welfare (Unless mentally disabled, etc.)

Am I Blue or Red??

Probably some flavor of libertarian.

And not an ideologue, which is refreshing.

BullStampede
10-22-2018, 09:22 AM
Question:

Im Pro-life, Pro-Gun, Anti-Wall, Grant Citizenship, Lower Taxes, Only 2 genders Crew, "You want it, work for it" Crew, Anti-Welfare (Unless mentally disabled, etc.)

Am I Blue or Red??

You fall under the globalist/cuckservative George W Bush umbrella.

rdwire88
10-22-2018, 09:25 AM
You fall under the globalist/cuckservative George W Bush umbrella.

so is this bad jeff?

BullStampede
10-22-2018, 09:34 AM
so is this bad jeff?

Not really for me to decide. In my opinion, yes, but you are about 80% of the way there. Just need to get you on the right side of immigration and you will be transcendent. I have hope for you. I also used to be where you are. Just a matter of time.

MiscInformed
10-22-2018, 09:38 AM
GJTM.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/412418-trump-administration-considering-narrowing-legal-definition-of-gender

Trump administration considering narrowing legal definition of gender: report

Gender refers to grammar. It has nothing to do with biological beings. Cultural marxists in the 50's started using it as a term because it was more vague than sex, and thus easier to convince people that it was possible to be one sex without having any of the biology of that sex.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/31/why-you-should-stop-using-the-word-gender/

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 09:41 AM
Some folks seem to confuse one's "gender" with their personality. They apparently believe that personality traits are what determine gender. Which is quite silly as a man or woman's interests, hobbies & overall personality can vary greatly between individuals. It doesn't mean they're any less of a man or woman because they adopt traits traditionally linked to the opposite sex.

The whole idea of transgenderism is based upon antiquated gender stereotypes. If a woman can have a penis, then I guarantee you can't explain what a woman even is without exposing yourself as a loyal follower of out-dated & oppressive gender stereotypes.

snailsrus
10-22-2018, 09:46 AM
I don’t identify with either gender, I set my Facebook gender to snail two years ago and since it’s facebook official it must be true. I feel so liberated.

MiscInformed
10-22-2018, 09:48 AM
I don’t identify with either gender, I set my Facebook gender to snail two years ago and since it’s facebook official it must be true. I feel so liberated.

You're weird. You'd probably hit it off with Kormo.

badbart
10-22-2018, 10:02 AM
Degenerates trying to justify their lifestyle by changing meanings of words, lol.

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 10:08 AM
I don’t identify with either gender, I set my Facebook gender to snail two years ago and since it’s facebook official it must be true. I feel so liberated.

According to Facebook, my religion is "ICBMs."

djfuzzy
10-22-2018, 10:10 AM
Sex is biological while gender is a social construct. The problem is that people use the words interchangeably so it creates a misconception. This is understandable because in the West there were always two sexes and two genders and thus it seemed like the same thing. In the East, some cultures have historically had genders (usually can be referred to as a third gender) that aren't considered by their society to be either male or female. Some of these cultures have had these third genders for hundreds of years if not thousands. The problem is when it gets out of hand and dozens of genders are made up to describe how people feel at a particular day or time of the day.That's neat and everything...

But this is the West, and all of that non-Western, fantasy world, gender bender bullsheit should not apply and should not even be seriously discussed at any level of government.

sandaltan
10-22-2018, 10:12 AM
lol glad to see these two are red. Terrible posters.

thanks man. i've learned from you that the color of my squares is relevant to the content of my arguments. definitely not an ad-hominem/red herring fallacy at all. definitely not attacking me personally while distracting with the color of my squares.

solid point.

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 10:16 AM
Sex is biological while gender is a social construct. The problem is that people use the words interchangeably so it creates a misconception. This is understandable because in the West there were always two sexes and two genders and thus it seemed like the same thing. In the East, some cultures have historically had genders (usually can be referred to as a third gender) that aren't considered by their society to be either male or female. Some of these cultures have had these third genders for hundreds of years if not thousands. The problem is when it gets out of hand and dozens of genders are made up to describe how people feel at a particular day or time of the day.
That's neat and everything...

But this is the West, and all of that non-Western, fantasy world, gender bender bullsheit should not apply and should not even be seriously discussed at any level of government.

What distinguishes the three genders you boys are referring to? Elaborate...

BrosefMengele
10-22-2018, 10:22 AM
thanks man. i've learned from you that the color of my squares is relevant to the content of my arguments. definitely not an ad-hominem/red herring fallacy at all. definitely not attacking me personally while distracting with the color of my squares.

solid point.

Negged

riley444
10-22-2018, 10:24 AM
Chaos = https://i.imgur.com/MhpzjSu.jpg

Looks like a crown of used tampons.

djfuzzy
10-22-2018, 10:28 AM
What distinguishes the three genders you boys are referring to? Elaborate...I'm just as confused as you are about this. I think it's absolutely stupid.

jeffl1980
10-22-2018, 10:34 AM
Question:

Im Pro-life, Pro-Gun, Anti-Wall, Grant Citizenship, Lower Taxes, Only 2 genders Crew, "You want it, work for it" Crew, Anti-Welfare (Unless mentally disabled, etc.)

Am I Blue or Red??


Definitely more libertarian/conservative. I know a few conservatives that are against the wall.

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 10:35 AM
What distinguishes the three genders you boys are referring to? Elaborate...

It depends on what culture you're talking about.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_system#Non-European_gender_systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History

https://listverse.com/2015/10/21/10-examples-of-nonbinary-genders-throughout-history/

Happy reading.

nosirrahx
10-22-2018, 10:37 AM
Honest question, why do you care?

Because A -> B is how you end up going from A -> Z.

Doxx6755
10-22-2018, 10:37 AM
what is it with trump supporters absolutely fixated on going backwards in time?
The irony. You loons are absolutely fixated on the past.

SaltyDog920
10-22-2018, 10:41 AM
It's one of the simplest things in life, and yet these looney fuks go out of their way to try to complicate it.

https://i.imgur.com/orxT971.gif

When a child mentality has more science based intelligence than leftists...

nosirrahx
10-22-2018, 10:41 AM
Definitely more libertarian/conservative. I know a few conservatives that are against the wall.

A lot of people on the right are against the wall. Personally, I would rather see the $ go towards securing schools.

SpeedCheeser
10-22-2018, 10:53 AM
Then why to 'trans' people only switch between two?

Trannies: Gender is a social construct and has nothing to do with sex or biology.

Also trannies: I need hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery to be able to identify with the gender I chose.

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 10:55 AM
It depends on what culture you're talking about.

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_system#Non-European_gender_systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History

https://listverse.com/2015/10/21/10-examples-of-nonbinary-genders-throughout-history/

Happy reading.

Sum it up for me, partner. I'll narrow my question down to present day America in hopes of getting a more direct response. What distinguished the "three genders" in modern American culture?

BrosefMengele
10-22-2018, 10:56 AM
Trannies: Gender is a social construct and has nothing to do with sex or biology.

Also trannies: I need hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery to be able to identify with the gender I chose.

Trinitarians: Jesus is the son of God! God is one!

Also Trinitarians: Jesus is the Lord God Almighty! God is three!

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 10:57 AM
Sum it up for me, partner. I'll narrow my question down to present day America in hopes of getting a more direct response. What distinguished the "three genders" in modern American culture?

The concept historically has not existed in American culture.

Which doesn't mean it's a new idea.

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 10:58 AM
The concept historically has not existed in American culture.

Which doesn't mean it's a new idea.

In this current American concept, what distinguishes the "three genders?"

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 11:01 AM
In this current American concept, what distinguishes the "three genders?"

You're not asking a question that makes sense.

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 11:15 AM
You're not asking a question that makes sense.


Do believe there are three genders in present day America? Is so, what are those three genders and what are the traits that separate them from each other? How is one able to identify those three genders?

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 11:27 AM
Do believe there are three genders in present day America? Is so, what are those three genders and what are the traits that separate them from each other? How is one able to identify those three genders?

As someone who identifies pretty solidly as male, I don't consider myself qualified to define someone else's gender for them.

Strictly for categorization purposes, I think the construct that makes most sense is "M/F/other" and within "other," define yourself however you want.

dizzin9
10-22-2018, 11:32 AM
B-b-but muh feewings

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 11:39 AM
As someone who identifies pretty solidly as male, I don't consider myself qualified to define someone else's gender for them.

Strictly for categorization purposes, I think the construct that makes most sense is "M/F/other" and within "other," define yourself however you want.

What is the difference between gender and personality?

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 11:40 AM
What is the difference between gender and personality?

I'm not a psychologist, but I'd venture to say there's overlap between the two.

sandaltan
10-22-2018, 11:42 AM
Do believe there are three genders in present day America? Is so, what are those three genders and what are the traits that separate them from each other? How is one able to identify those three genders?

this question is fundamentally flawed. Gender is not defined by biology - that's SEX. Gender is a complex social construction, and there can be infinite numbers of genders. trump supporters have a difficult time grasping this complex concept, and its much easier for them and their brains to simply say 2 genders.

2 sexes
infinite genders

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 11:52 AM
this question is fundamentally flawed. Gender is not defined by biology - that's SEX. Gender is a complex social construction, and there can be infinite numbers of genders. trump supporters have a difficult time grasping this complex concept, and its much easier for them and their brains to simply say 2 genders.

2 sexes
infinite genders

Explain why gender is relevant. Why not remove the word "gender" from all Governmental documents and replace it with "sex?" If anyone can claim any gender at anytime, it's completely useless. There is absolutely no merit to the concept. "Gender" has zero relevance.

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 11:53 AM
Why not remove the word "gender" from all Governmental documents and replace it with "sex?"

In principle, I'm not opposed, but then you run into issues like how to handle gender-segregated facilities.

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 12:06 PM
In principle, I'm not opposed, but then you run into issues like how to handle gender-segregated facilities.

They could label them "sex-segregated" facilities. Bathrooms "Sex: Male" & "Sex: Female."

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 12:20 PM
They could label them "sex-segregated" facilities. Bathrooms "Sex: Male" & "Sex: Female."

Transgender folks don't do terribly well in these situations.

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 12:25 PM
Transgender folks don't do terribly well in these situations.

Their sex remains the same in-spite of their gender change.

adimare
10-22-2018, 12:30 PM
In principle, I'm not opposed, but then you run into issues like how to handle gender-segregated facilities.

It'd be far easier for everyone to accept that the words gender and sex are not used in the same way anymore if those fighting for that acknowledged that back when most legislation was written sex and gender were used as synonyms. So for any law that mentions gender, no one should get to say "oh well we use that word differently now, so we also get to interpret that law differently". Doing that is what gets people mad and turns what should be a boring semantics discussion into a political mess.

If there are any laws that a group of people disagree with, they should fight to get them changed, but forcing the issue by pretending like the law was written using today's context will only lead to unnecessary problems.

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 12:31 PM
Their sex remains the same in-spite of their gender change.

Yes, but if you identify/present as male, you probably don't want to be using the women's bathroom any more than the other people there want you to.

Griggz
10-22-2018, 12:34 PM
I'd like to go back to the 1930s, except with women and people of color having all of the rights we do now.


The world is a mess. We've had it great for so long that we're brainstorming the most ridiculous problems imaginable.

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 12:36 PM
Yes, but if you identify/present as male, you probably don't want to be using the women's bathroom any more than the other people there want you to.

What do you mean "present as a male?" Any person who says to be of the male gender is of the male gender. From what I understand, a male can present in many different ways. Long hair, short hair, skinny, fat, large breasts, small chest.... there is no restriction. There are no external identifiers. Pamela Anderson can be of the male gender if she so chooses. Her sex is, and will always be, female though.

sandaltan
10-22-2018, 12:38 PM
Because A -> B is how you end up going from A -> Z.

textbook example of slippery slope fallacy

sandaltan
10-22-2018, 12:44 PM
I'd like to go back to the 1930s, except with women and people of color having all of the rights we do now.


The world is a mess. We've had it great for so long that we're brainstorming the most ridiculous problems imaginable.

i agree that we're brainstorming the most ridiculous problems. i dont even consider this a problem. if it is, it's unimaginably small and inflamed by fallacies.

why cant we focus on the largest issues facing our country? education, healthcare, student debt, bankruptcies from medical bills, actually bargained for exchange of tax and citizen services, government corruption? then when we've improved those massively more important issues, and have nothing better to do, then we can turn our attention to the minutia.

ooph
10-22-2018, 12:44 PM
textbook example of slippery slope fallacy

Textbook example of one of those psuedo intellectuals who always attempt to claim some form of logical fallacy instead of actually presenting a counter point. Typical of a LOW IQ, uneducated cuck.

Good job sandmanwomanother

adimare
10-22-2018, 12:52 PM
I'd like to go back to the 1930s, except with women and people of color having all of the rights we do now.
You sure about that?


We've had it great for so long that we're brainstorming the most ridiculous problems imaginable.
Yeah, but that's a good thing. It means that the bare necessities are covered. Would you prefer living in a country where you're trying to figure out how to stop Malaria from killing 10% of the population every year?

Griggz
10-22-2018, 01:01 PM
You sure about that?


Yeah, but that's a good thing. It means that the bare necessities are covered. Would you prefer living in a country where you're trying to figure out how to stop Malaria from killing 10% of the population every year?

Are you comparing the progression of medicine to transgenderism? I mean, you've got to be kidding with this sort of reasoning.

I'm specifically referring to the culture divide we're experiencing. I'm talking about how EVERYTHING seems to be a problem nowadays.

In my city we have the drag queen **** for kids happening, and one of our congress reps said the following:

I am extremely concerned at the news that the Lafayette Public Library would hold an LGBQT Drag Queen Story Time for 3-6 year olds.
While the fraternity performing this bizarre stunt claims that their LGBQT Drag Queen program will teach diversity, it would no doubt expose children to affairs which are best kept amongst adults, and by tradition, private.
I question the judgement of the Lafayette Public Library Board. Our children deserve library programming that is educational, reflective of our traditional American, Christian principled values, and very importantly, age appropriate.
The Drag Queens certainly have 1st Amendment rights which all Patriots support. However, conservative Americans have the right to object to such an affront, and further, we have the right to... as a people... withhold funding for public entities which defy our common voice.
Finally, the very purpose of this incredibly inappropriate event should be questioned. The intrusion of the LGBQT Drag Queen realm into the Lafayette community, targeting our youngest children within a publicly funded venue, can only reflect the leftist agenda to deconstruct gender across America


And he was met with the usual terms of "transphobic, old white racist etc", for what? What he said was perfectly rational.

deepfat
10-22-2018, 01:01 PM
i agree that we're brainstorming the most ridiculous problems. i dont even consider this a problem. if it is, it's unimaginably small and inflamed by fallacies.

why cant we focus on the largest issues facing our country? education, healthcare, student debt, bankruptcies from medical bills, actually bargained for exchange of tax and citizen services, government corruption? then when we've improved those massively more important issues, and have nothing better to do, then we can turn our attention to the minutia.

Amazing how we have the best Doctors and hospitals in the world where everyone comes here for treatment but somehow, to liberals mainly, we have a healthcare crisis. I mean, I thought the well thought out Obamacare was supposed to solve this problem? That's what Barack Obama and the Dems told me, after all. Or, how about acquire an education or a skill that makes you marketable to companies with a quality health care plan. That's what responsible, motivated people do. For those who are disabled or otherwise have an affliction that prevents them from acquiring either a marketable skill or education we have social safety nets for that. Most reasonable people don't have a problem with our government providing that to those that don't abuse the system. This is not difficult to understand.

sandaltan
10-22-2018, 02:07 PM
Amazing how we have the best Doctors and hospitals in the world where everyone comes here for treatment but somehow, to liberals mainly, we have a healthcare crisis. I mean, I thought the well thought out Obamacare was supposed to solve this problem? That's what Barack Obama and the Dems told me, after all. Or, how about acquire an education or a skill that makes you marketable to companies with a quality health care plan. That's what responsible, motivated people do. For those who are disabled or otherwise have an affliction that prevents them from acquiring either a marketable skill or education we have social safety nets for that. Most reasonable people don't have a problem with our government providing that to those that don't abuse the system. This is not difficult to understand.

my point is that healthcare or getting treatment shouldnt bankrupt american citizens. currently the US is TOTALLY COOL WITH THAT.

my point is that education shouldnt cost 150k for those who want to pursue it. currently the US is TOTALLY COOL WITH THAT.

those are the problems i see, and those are the ones im talking about. wtf is the point of having a great hospital/doctor/surgeon if you cant fukking pay for it?

adimare
10-22-2018, 03:58 PM
Are you comparing the progression of medicine to transgenderism? I mean, you've got to be kidding with this sort of reasoning.

Is that what you understood? Because that's not what I was saying. What I'm pointing out is that the fact that your society is concerned with pointless crap like who gets to use which bathroom is a good indicator that you're in a pretty good place right now. If you had to worry about stuff that actually matters, like where to find water for your 5 year old, I guarantee you wouldn't have time or energy to be concerned over who's doing story time at your local library.

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 03:59 PM
What do you mean "present as a male?" Any person who says to be of the male gender is of the male gender. From what I understand, a male can present in many different ways. Long hair, short hair, skinny, fat, large breasts, small chest.... there is no restriction. There are no external identifiers. Pamela Anderson can be of the male gender if she so chooses. Her sex is, and will always be, female though.

I mean it's gonna be uncomfortable for everyone if we make this guy use a female bathroom:

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/transgender-man-before-and-after-jamie-wilson-597ecfeae19be__700.jpg

sandaltan
10-22-2018, 04:04 PM
Textbook example of one of those psuedo intellectuals who always attempt to claim some form of logical fallacy instead of actually presenting a counter point. Typical of a LOW IQ, uneducated cuck.

Good job sandmanwomanother

the counter point to a logical fallacy is to point out the logical fallacy and move on, because the argument is invalid and needs no further counter point.

good luck with your debating like a 4th grader goals of 2018

DonVonDuck
10-22-2018, 04:18 PM
I mean it's gonna be uncomfortable for everyone if we make this guy use a female bathroom:

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/transgender-man-before-and-after-jamie-wilson-597ecfeae19be__700.jpg

He sits down and dabs his coot just like every woman I've ever known, partner.

Have a little more integrity with your debate, sir. It's becoming more apparent that you don't really believe that self-identification is the sole decider of one's gender. I suspect you believe it to be both self-identification as well as one's commitment to following a set of traditional (and in many cases antiquated) gender stereotypes.

jtaylor2010
10-22-2018, 04:21 PM
I mean it's gonna be uncomfortable for everyone if we make this guy use a female bathroom:

https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/transgender-man-before-and-after-jamie-wilson-597ecfeae19be__700.jpg


Better that than the place we’ve reached in just a few short years. Ideally, people like that could go in private to the bathroom they’d like just like it has been for a while. Unfortunately the slippery slope is real and now the absurdity has reached such preposterous levels that it needs to be reeled in. For legal purposes we need clearly defined definitions, and since gender isn’t clearly defined it has no place in law.

jfcantu
10-22-2018, 04:25 PM
Ideally, people like that could go in private to the bathroom they’d like just like it has been for a while.

Which, ironically, is exactly the way it was in NC until their legislature found out about it and decided there needed to be rules against it.

jtaylor2010
10-22-2018, 04:32 PM
the counter point to a logical fallacy is to point out the logical fallacy and move on, because the argument is invalid and needs no further counter point.

good luck with your debating like a 4th grader goals of 2018

The slippery slope is definitely real. As recently as 4 years ago the transgender issue wasn’t on anyone’s radar in the R/P. In less than five years we have places where it’s illegal to not play pretend with the mentally ill and our daughters are competing against boys in sports.


https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=161874483

sandaltan
10-22-2018, 05:03 PM
The slippery slope is definitely real. As recently as 4 years ago the transgender issue wasn’t on anyone’s radar in the R/P. In less than five years we have places where it’s illegal to not play pretend with the mentally ill and our daughters are competing against boys in sports.


https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=161874483

did you just link a bb.com thread to support your claim that the slippery slope isnt a logical fallacy?

CaliSuperSport
10-22-2018, 05:04 PM
Really good point you bring up.

Transexuals are breaking records in the female competitions and winning all the championships.

It's a real problem.

kOQfyIhv9GM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOQfyIhv9GM

Such brave. Much inspiring

DetoxMentor
10-22-2018, 05:10 PM
Gosh, I am speechless.

Jrd86
10-22-2018, 05:41 PM
Honest question, why do you care?

A better question would be why do liberals feel the need to try and redefine what gender is outside of what biology tells us? And I hate calling leftist "liberals". They aren't liberal. They're facist leftist.

The nuclear family is the most important aspect of a healthy, cohesive society. Without this structure, society collapses. I and many others believe this to be the case. We lose sight of actual real problems, when this is the type of retarded **** people focus on. And under Obama, the federal government tried redefining sex and basic biology.

Perhaps to create division in Hope's they can control the population by using race, sex, sexism, ect. United we are strong. Divided by the aforementioned we are weak and easy to manipulate. Just pull the race card when its convenient, we saw the sexual assault card and sexism card pulled with kavanaugh. People are waking up to this. And thank God they are!

CalmWind
10-23-2018, 05:27 AM
Such brave. Much inspiring

Once the liberal's position isn't as "extreme" as it was last year....... then they can't be confrontational anymore. They can't feel special for fighting for some crazy cause.

So the liberal then takes up ever more extreme causes, in order to be confrontational and feel like a social rebel again.


After trannys, it will be something else. It will always be something else. And it's only going to get more and more extreme. Because they are mentally unstable.

PSToolman
10-23-2018, 05:33 AM
Honest question, why do you care?

Better question, why does the state?

redmelly
10-23-2018, 05:14 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqOyiwTVsAE2kpI.jpg