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thugonomics
08-27-2018, 07:36 PM
https://i.redd.it/l4650myphpi11.jpg


Yeah, so some guy who should have never been in this country raped and murdered my 20 year old daughter, but we shouldn't blame illegals, they bring good food!

I don't even know what to say anymore except I pray the Democrats do not get back into power, because they'll open our borders unvetted to every animal from every continent.

ToPHeR35
08-27-2018, 07:58 PM
Brb don't blame them because they make a good taco


Libs I swear... They try so hard to not be racist they don't even realize what they're saying

iabs
08-27-2018, 08:03 PM
Now you understand why the daughter was a bleeding heart liberal too.

These people are too far gone. This is the same people that want to rule us.

dakensta
08-27-2018, 08:08 PM
The person responsible for her murder is the person who murdered her.
Pretty simple.

icetrauma
08-27-2018, 08:10 PM
The person responsible for her murder is the person who murdered her.
Pretty simple.

And that person was one who was in this country illegally. That doesn't mean all illegals are murder's but we do need stronger border security. If an illegal immigrant in your country killed you kid, would you not advocate for stronger border laws or would you say that is just part and parcel?

thugonomics
08-27-2018, 08:11 PM
The person responsible for her murder is the person who murdered her.
Pretty simple.

Wrong. Its the government's job to protect our borders with the goal of protecting its legal citizens. This has been truth for the last 3000 years of civilization. You protect the people within your community. Due to highly persuasive propaganda and socialist brainwashing, the idiots now adays are now thinking its fine to let these things happen over and over again so they can look so tolerant and open-minded.

TaeBoNinja
08-27-2018, 08:15 PM
Now you understand why the daughter was a bleeding heart liberal too.

These people are too far gone. This is the same people that want to rule us.
Could be shock. Takes a while for his new reality to sink in.

My thing is no one is blaming "the Hispanic community", but instead our idiotic immigration situation. It mirrors how in the UK they will defend migrants over native borns.

DamagedAndDull
08-27-2018, 08:18 PM
Lol she literally said she hated white people in a tweet. Wonder where she learned that from.

jfcantu
08-27-2018, 08:25 PM
If an illegal immigrant in your country killed you kid, would you not advocate for stronger border laws or would you say that is just part and parcel?

Like we do here with gun laws?

icetrauma
08-27-2018, 08:27 PM
Like we do here with gun laws?

What does this have to do with gun laws?

StoliFun
08-27-2018, 08:31 PM
What does this have to do with gun laws?

Guns kill people. Why don't we keep them out of the country, etc.

jfcantu
08-27-2018, 08:31 PM
What does this have to do with gun laws?

Nothing directly - but I've noticed that it's often the same people who insist that any form of gun control would be a disproportionate response to a minor problem, who are also insisting that we need to spend billions on a border wall because some of the people who cross the border are criminals.

icetrauma
08-27-2018, 08:33 PM
Guns kill people. Why don't we keep them out of the country, etc.

I have yet to see gun pull it's own trigger and kill anything. If you can lay a gun on a table and have it kill someone without any intervention of any kind, then you can say guns kill people. The person who committed this crime, showed no regard or respect for the laws of our land. He broke in to this country so, why would he respect it's citizens?

icetrauma
08-27-2018, 08:36 PM
Nothing directly - but I've noticed that it's often the same people who insist that any form of gun control would be a disproportionate response to a minor problem, who are also insisting that we need to spend billions on a border wall because some of the people who cross the border are criminals.

Everyone who doesn't cross at a legal port of entry is a criminal. If they don't respect that basic boundary/border/law, why would they respect the other laws? As far as I know, no details have been released on the mechanism to which she was killed.

pWally
08-27-2018, 08:42 PM
Liberals put ideology above ALL ELSE

TaeBoNinja
08-27-2018, 08:42 PM
Nothing directly - but I've noticed that it's often the same people who insist that any form of gun control would be a disproportionate response to a minor problem, who are also insisting that we need to spend billions on a border wall because some of the people who cross the border are criminals.We spend $$billions on illegal immigration, so it's cost effective to build a wall. It also helps to stifling drug trafficking, and keep unauthorized migrants from entering.

jfcantu
08-27-2018, 08:52 PM
Hypothetically, we could also alleviate the illegal immigration problem by making it easier to immigrate.

Just saying.

icetrauma
08-27-2018, 08:57 PM
Hypothetically, we could also alleviate the illegal immigration problem by making it easier to immigrate.

Just saying.

Are we not one of the easiest countries to immigrate to? I know people, with good jobs, who’ve tried to immigrate to other countries, such as England, be denied.

TaeBoNinja
08-27-2018, 08:57 PM
Hypothetically, we could also alleviate the illegal immigration problem by making it easier to immigrate.

Just saying.
Illegals make it harder for legal immigrants

jfcantu
08-27-2018, 09:03 PM
Are we not one of the easiest countries to immigrate to?

"It depends."

https://www.litwinlaw.com/Articles/How-Long-Does-it-Take-to-Immigrate-to-the-United-States.shtml

Long story short: depending on whether you're claiming family or employment reasons, it can take anywhere from 1 to 15 years.

thugonomics
08-27-2018, 09:06 PM
Nothing directly - but I've noticed that it's often the same people who insist that any form of gun control would be a disproportionate response to a minor problem, who are also insisting that we need to spend billions on a border wall because some of the people who cross the border are criminals.

1. Because one of these things is our constitutional right. Shall.not.be.infringed. Period. No one has a right to be in our country.
2. LOL @ casually saying border security is a "minor" problem. And throwing "Billions" like its some outlandish amount.

https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/ceefeea/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1177x822+0+0/resize/1177x822!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediadc.brightspotcdn.com%2F1f% 2F3b%2F4859d4335fb2ce7b4f6a11eb188c%2Fillegal5-13da.png

23 billion annually in California alone.
3. Not some people, all people who cross illegally are criminals. Criminal = breaking a law. I know, its a tough concept.

Tamorlane
08-27-2018, 09:13 PM
https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/mollie-tibbetts.png

jfcantu
08-27-2018, 09:18 PM
1. Because one of these things is our constitutional right. Shall.not.be.infringed. Period. No one has a right to be in our country.

Strictly speaking, you are correct.

There's two sub-points to that, though:
1) Does our current immigration policy make sense?
2) How much time and effort do we want to put into enforcing immigration law?

My answer to 1 is "no, I don't think so."

My answer to 2 is "I don't know" and unbiased statistics on the true cost of illegal immigration are hard to come by. (The infographic you linked cites two sources, one of which is a dead link, and the other cites FAIR which has a stated goal of reducing immigration in general... and that's not even touching on FAIR's questionable racial stances.)


3. Not some people, all people who cross illegally are criminals. Criminal = breaking a law. I know, its a tough concept.

So are people who torrent Adam Sandler movies, but nobody gets too upset about that. I'm quite honestly not that bothered by illegal immigrants trying to come to America to build a better life for their families, though obviously I wish they could/would do it legally.

Ephedra
08-27-2018, 09:21 PM
Deport them all and build the wall. I don't care if it's your abuelita, if she's here illegally it's time to move her back so she can wait in line and enter the legal route.

Liberals are so desperate they need to import voters to remain in power. Can't imagine how much estrogen flows through the veins of a liberal man.

LukeLissen
08-27-2018, 09:22 PM
Lol she literally said she hated white people in a tweet. Wonder where she learned that from.

Cultural Marxists and their useful idiots

BigNik78
08-27-2018, 09:24 PM
Sad to see that the whole family is sickened with liberalism/stupidity.

LukeLissen
08-27-2018, 09:27 PM
Hypothetically, we could also alleviate the illegal immigration problem by making it easier to immigrate.

Just saying.

Only if you make our social welfare programs no better than the rest of the world.

You can't have open borders + taxpayer supported welfare programs for anyone who wants to come here, unless your goal is to bankrupt the country and it's people and it's society (which is clearly a goal of your fellow Cultural Marxists, Globalists, and communists)

dhawkeye1980
08-27-2018, 09:38 PM
She was anti trump and wanted open borders
..


Irony...

jfcantu
08-27-2018, 09:39 PM
Only if you make our social welfare programs no better than the rest of the world.

You can't have open borders + taxpayer supported welfare programs for anyone who wants to come here, unless your goal is to bankrupt the country and it's people and it's society

Ignoring the wild accusation tacked onto the end:

I didn't say "open borders," I said "easier to immigrate" - i.e., become US citizens. Tax-paying US citizens, specifically.

LukeLissen
08-27-2018, 09:46 PM
Ignoring the wild accusation tacked onto the end:

I didn't say "open borders," I said "easier to immigrate" - i.e., become US citizens. Tax-paying US citizens, specifically.


Only if you make our social welfare programs no better than the rest of the world.

You can't have 'easy immigration' + taxpayer supported welfare programs for anyone who wants to come here, unless your goal is to bankrupt the country and it's people and it's society (which is clearly a goal of your fellow Cultural Marxists, Globalists, and communists)

iabs
08-27-2018, 09:47 PM
Ignoring the wild accusation tacked onto the end:

I didn't say "open borders," I said "easier to immigrate" - i.e., become US citizens. Tax-paying US citizens, specifically.

Who do you think is mostly migrating illegal from Mexico?

Doctors and lawyers?

What benefit in the information era would a 3rd grade graduate who can't speak English have to the US economy?

Is this the people you want "to ease" immigration laws to?

Please tell me more.

jfcantu
08-27-2018, 09:52 PM
Who do you think is mostly migrating illegal from Mexico?

Doctors and lawyers?

What benefit in the information era would a 3rd grade graduate who can't speak English have to the US economy?

Is this the people you want "to ease" immigration laws to?

Please tell me more.

Well, since you asked, I was thinking mainly of people like my grandfather, who was the son of immigrants and didn't speak English until he was six.

Went into the Navy in WWII, got out and went to college, then became an engineer on the Apollo project and later a state legislator and a relatively well-known figure in the county Republican party.

So, yeah, you could say I'm in favor of continuing to offer that American dream.

Ephedra
08-27-2018, 10:09 PM
Well, since you asked, I was thinking mainly of people like my grandfather, who was the son of immigrants and didn't speak English until he was six.

Went into the Navy in WWII, got out and went to college, then became an engineer on the Apollo project and later a state legislator and a relatively well-known figure in the county Republican party.

So, yeah, you could say I'm in favor of continuing to offer that American dream.

Emotional argument. Also, back then they didn't have welfare programs or else grandpa jfcantu might not have had the self determination to succeed on his own.

Statistics say most grandpa jfcantus in modern USA would remain a negative liability to our country.

Try again.

jfcantu
08-27-2018, 10:10 PM
Where are these statistics? Please, share them.

BS57
08-28-2018, 04:11 AM
Hypothetically, we could also alleviate the illegal immigration problem by making it easier to immigrate.

Just saying.

I'm curious as to exactly how many illegals you've invited to live in your home?

If the answer is zero, please explain why.

Cannondella
08-28-2018, 06:39 AM
Wrong. Its the government's job to protect our borders with the goal of protecting its legal citizens. This has been truth for the last 3000 years of civilization. You protect the people within your community. Due to highly persuasive propaganda and socialist brainwashing, the idiots now adays are now thinking its fine to let these things happen over and over again so they can look so tolerant and open-minded.

a country should make laws benefitting its own citizens first. Liberals think it should be the other way around and we should suffer for every other nation to prosper. This murder to them is fine even if it could have been prevented.

Titansfan08
08-28-2018, 06:48 AM
I'm speechless, I refuse to believe there are people out there this fuking stupid. My head hurts at the things these liberals come up with

iabs
08-28-2018, 07:14 AM
Well, since you asked, I was thinking mainly of people like my grandfather, who was the son of immigrants and didn't speak English until he was six.

Went into the Navy in WWII, got out and went to college, then became an engineer on the Apollo project and later a state legislator and a relatively well-known figure in the county Republican party.

So, yeah, you could say I'm in favor of continuing to offer that American dream.

So, you want to import 6 year olds?

America in the 1920s-30s =/= America in 2018. Let’s ease immigration laws cause “my grandpa” was a successful immigrant.

Still didn’t address my point at all, but nice deflection to your emotional “anecdotal evidence.”

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 07:18 AM
And that person was one who was in this country illegally. That doesn't mean all illegals are murder's but we do need stronger border security. If an illegal immigrant in your country killed you kid, would you not advocate for stronger border laws or would you say that is just part and parcel?

Sociopaths and psychopaths exist in all populations. Nothing we do at the border is going to change that.

Also, nothing we do at the border is going to change the incentive for crossing it illegally. A wall is a band-aid.

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 07:23 AM
Liberals put ideology above ALL ELSE

You're new to R/P, aren't you?

fitnessislife
08-28-2018, 07:24 AM
https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/mollie-tibbetts.png

Nobody is generalizing an entire race based on an illegal’s actions. Libs DID scream and cry over child/family separation.

Failed tweet is failed.

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 07:24 AM
Hypothetically, we could also alleviate the illegal immigration problem by making it easier to immigrate.

Just saying.

Or make it harder for people to hire illegals.
Or fix the reasons they want to leave their home countries in the first place.

I predict our new trade policies are going to do the exact opposite.

PenorBrahNoHomo
08-28-2018, 07:26 AM
Sociopaths and psychopaths exist in all populations. Nothing we do at the border is going to change that.

Also, nothing we do at the border is going to change the incentive for crossing it illegally. A wall is a band-aid.

If you get a nasty cut or graze, you should put a band-aid on it to help prevent harmful bacteria getting in to the wound and infecting it. I can only assume you're advocating building a wall to help keep illegal immigrants (harmful bacteria) out.

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 07:28 AM
If you get a nasty cut or graze, you should put a band-aid on it to help prevent harmful bacteria getting in to the wound and infecting it. I can only assume you're advocating building a wall to help keep illegal immigrants (harmful bacteria) out.

Fair enough. I should have said "placebo".

EmmaW4tson
08-28-2018, 07:29 AM
Brb don't blame them because they make a good taco


Libs I swear... They try so hard to not be racist they don't even realize what they're saying


Dont forget how Dems say they need people to clean their toilets. I think that square man jawed ugly bitch daughter of that rock star said it.

turk75
08-28-2018, 07:32 AM
I'm speechless, I refuse to believe there are people out there this fuking stupid. My head hurts at the things these liberals come up with

You and me both brother... It's just more and more evidence that liberalism is a mental disorder.

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 07:38 AM
You and me both brother... It's just more and more evidence that liberalism is a mental disorder.

Based on two out-of-context statements from a father's eulogy at his daughter's funeral.

I'm no psychologist but "projection" seems like a possibility here.

PenorBrahNoHomo
08-28-2018, 07:52 AM
Fair enough. I should have said "placebo".

I'd drop this line of argument if I were you. It's so ridiculous to claim that walls don't work that it discredits anything else you might argue. You're going to have a hard time convincing people walls don't work when they've served their purpose for thousands of years. Everyone knows this, the left don't want a wall because it will work, not because it won't. They don't want to keep anyone out.

jfcantu
08-28-2018, 07:56 AM
I'm curious as to exactly how many illegals you've invited to live in your home?

If the answer is zero, please explain why.

I own my home. I don't own my country.

jfcantu
08-28-2018, 07:57 AM
So, you want to import 6 year olds?

America in the 1920s-30s =/= America in 2018. Let’s ease immigration laws cause “my grandpa” was a successful immigrant.

Still didn’t address my point at all, but nice deflection to your emotional “anecdotal evidence.”

You didn't really have a point, you just went off on a "what if."

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 07:57 AM
I'd drop this line of argument if I were you. It's so ridiculous to claim that walls don't work that it discredits anything else you might argue. You're going to have a hard time convincing people walls don't work when they've served their purpose for thousands of years. Everyone knows this, the left don't want a wall because it will work, not because it won't. They don't want to keep anyone out.

Are you also arguing that making it harder for someone to hire illegals, reforming immigration laws to make it easier for qualified immigrants to come here legally, and addressing conditions in other countries that are the reason people want to leave won't help solve our immigration problems?

Seems to me that a wall is all you people care about and without addressing those other things will be nothing more than a symbolic gesture and a complete waste of time and money.

By the way, in the thousands of years since walls were invented, ladder and aircraft technology has conquered them.

Hartski
08-28-2018, 07:59 AM
Or fix the reasons they want to leave their home countries in the first place.


It is not up to us to fix the problems of the rest of the world. How many times have I seen the Left screaming about our Interventions accross the globe? Yet the same people who say we should stay out of their business still want us to ship foreign aid over by the boat load

PenorBrahNoHomo
08-28-2018, 08:03 AM
Are you also arguing that making it harder for someone to hire illegals, reforming immigration laws to make it easier for qualified immigrants to come here legally, and addressing conditions in other countries that are the reason people want to leave won't help solve our immigration problems?

Seems to me that a wall is all you people care about and without addressing those other things will be nothing more than a symbolic gesture and a complete waste of time and money.

By the way, in the thousands of years since walls were invented, ladder and aircraft technology has conquered them

They're not mutually exclusive are they. You should address the root causes and build a wall too, I'm sure most Trump voters would agree.

It isn't the responsibility of Americans to sort out other countries' problems though, save the ones directly fuked up by American foreign policy.

By the way, walls are built all the time because they work. If you want to keep people out, or in, you build a wall. Everyone knows this, everyone's property has walls. Secure facilities have big walls with barbed wire. It's so fuking basic i'm amazed you even try to deny it. How many illegals have ladders and aircraft? Next you'll be saying they'll use cannon to knock down this obsolete wall. Maybe siege towers?

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 08:03 AM
It is not up to us to fix the problems of the rest of the world. How many times have I seen the Left screaming about our Interventions accross the globe? Yet the same people who say we should stay out of their business still want us to ship foreign aid over by the boat load

I would argue that our government intervention, politically and economically, is the cause of those problems.

Our "war on drugs" is another.

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 08:04 AM
They're not mutually exclusive are they. You should address the root causes and build a wall too, I'm sure most Trump voters would agree.

It isn't the responsibility of Americans to sort out other countries' problems though, save the ones directly fuked up by American foreign policy.

Tell that to the president.

TaeBoNinja
08-28-2018, 08:08 AM
Are you also arguing that making it harder for someone to hire illegals, reforming immigration laws to make it easier for qualified immigrants to come here legally, and addressing conditions in other countries that are the reason people want to leave won't help solve our immigration problems?

Seems to me that a wall is all you people care about and without addressing those other things will be nothing more than a symbolic gesture and a complete waste of time and money.

By the way, in the thousands of years since walls were invented, ladder and aircraft technology has conquered them.
We have laws that allow qualified immigrants to come over. it's the unqualified bunch we're trying to keep out.

PenorBrahNoHomo
08-28-2018, 08:12 AM
Tell that to the president.

Just building a wall is better than nothing.

Do you advocate prisons get rid of their walls, since they don't work? How about gated communities? Do they know that walls don't work? Your own garden, does it have a fence?

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 08:16 AM
Just building a wall is better than nothing.

Do you advocate prisons get rid of their walls, since they don't work? How about gated communities? Do they know that walls don't work? Your own garden, does it have a fence?

Your false equivalences aside, how does a wall stop people from overstaying? What does it do to protect the water border? What does it do for the Northern border?

jfcantu
08-28-2018, 08:17 AM
This is my observation of how the immigration argument typically flows:

---
"Build the wall!"
"Why?"
"Illegal immigrants cost us money, and some of them are violent criminals. Also we don't want people who don't respect our laws."
"Okay, fair enough. How about we make the immigration process better, so they can pay taxes and become productive citizens, and not violate any laws by coming here... without waiting 15 years in line?"
"But they might not be the kind of people we want as citizens!"
---

The core of the issue, for a lot of people, is not the legality of their immigration status - we can solve that problem by making it easier for them to immigrate legally.

It's just that, for whatever reason, some people just don't like immigrants regardless of what they might or might not contribute to the country, now and in the future.

As for me, personally... I think the people who are willing to make the trip and work hard for a living, are at least as deserving of a shot at the American dream as people who were born here, dropped out of high school, and blame "the immigrants" for all their problems.

dhawkeye1980
08-28-2018, 08:19 AM
I own my home. I don't own my country.

You do understand what he is implying right? If someone breaks into your house you dont just say fuk it live here for free and heres food/clothes/health insurance on me...

Its kindof a simple concept. Lots of people dont want their tax dollars going to illegals to live for free

jfcantu
08-28-2018, 08:21 AM
You do understand what he is implying right? If someone breaks into your house you dont just say fuk it live here for free and heres food/clothes/health insurance on me...

Its kindof a simple concept. Lots of people dont want their tax dollars going to illegals to live for free

Which is why I'm in favor of streamlining the immigration process to make it easier for people to come here legally - not open borders, full amnesty, and general anarchy.

PenorBrahNoHomo
08-28-2018, 08:21 AM
Your false equivalences aside, how does a wall stop people from overstaying? What does it do to protect the water border? What does it do for the Northern border?

You can't overstay if you can't get in in the first place. Walls can be built in water. Walls can be built in any location.

BS57
08-28-2018, 08:23 AM
I own my home. I don't own my country.

I expected nothing less than deflection to be your answer. Talk the talk, don't walk the walk.

PSToolman
08-28-2018, 08:23 AM
You do understand what he is implying right? If someone breaks into your house you dont just say fuk it live here for free and heres food/clothes/health insurance on me...

Its kindof a simple concept. Lots of people dont want their tax dollars going to illegals to live for free

Strong couple of straw men in this thread.

iabs
08-28-2018, 08:32 AM
This is my observation of how the immigration argument typically flows:

---
"Build the wall!"
"Why?"
"Illegal immigrants cost us money, and some of them are violent criminals. Also we don't want people who don't respect our laws."
"Okay, fair enough. How about we make the immigration process better, so they can pay taxes and become productive citizens, and not violate any laws by coming here... without waiting 15 years in line?"
"But they might not be the kind of people we want as citizens!"
---

The core of the issue, for a lot of people, is not the legality of their immigration status - we can solve that problem by making it easier for them to immigrate legally.

It's just that, for whatever reason, some people just don't like immigrants regardless of what they might or might not contribute to the country, now and in the future.

As for me, personally... I think the people who are willing to make the trip and work hard for a living, are at least as deserving of a shot at the American dream as people who were born here, dropped out of high school, and blame "the immigrants" for all their problems.

And you’re not for open borders, uh?

I am a legal immigrant and care more about the future of this country than you, a deluded white upper middle class liberal who’s never known hardship in his life, but thinks the world is full of unicorns and butterflies.

Borders make nations and shape the cultures of people in said nations. If your goal is to radically change the cultural, economic and ethnic fabric of a country you open its borders for anyone who wants to cross it.

Your fight isn’t about immigration, your sole argument is ideological, open borders simply speeds up your end goal.

dhawkeye1980
08-28-2018, 08:35 AM
This is my observation of how the immigration argument typically flows:

---
"Build the wall!"
"Why?"
"Illegal immigrants cost us money, and some of them are violent criminals. Also we don't want people who don't respect our laws."
"Okay, fair enough. How about we make the immigration process better, so they can pay taxes and become productive citizens, and not violate any laws by coming here... without waiting 15 years in line?"
"But they might not be the kind of people we want as citizens!"
---

The core of the issue, for a lot of people, is not the legality of their immigration status - we can solve that problem by making it easier for them to immigrate legally.

It's just that, for whatever reason, some people just don't like immigrants regardless of what they might or might not contribute to the country, now and in the future.

As for me, personally... I think the people who are willing to make the trip and work hard for a living, are at least as deserving of a shot at the American dream as people who were born here, dropped out of high school, and blame "the immigrants" for all their problems.

You outlined the proper way to immigrate...

Thats the process now champ. It cant get any "easier"CV because the US immigration system is flooded with people who want to come here.

jfcantu
08-28-2018, 08:37 AM
I expected nothing less than deflection to be your answer. Talk the talk, don't walk the walk.

Sorry, I attempted to answer what I thought was the point of your question, rather than treading the obvious "gotcha" slippery slope.

dhawkeye1980
08-28-2018, 08:37 AM
Which is why I'm in favor of streamlining the immigration process to make it easier for people to come here legally - not open borders, full amnesty, and general anarchy.

And how would you streamline an already flooded immigration system? What would you do with the millions of people here illegally already?

The system in place is fine im sorry its not fast but when something is flooded it takes time to process. Thats how life works. We cant make everyone happy

jfcantu
08-28-2018, 08:38 AM
It cant get any "easier"CV because the US immigration system is flooded with people who want to come here.

It probably could. We just don't want to spend the resources on making it happen.

PenorBrahNoHomo
08-28-2018, 08:41 AM
Strong couple of straw men in this thread.

Not only do walls work physically, they also work psychologically. That picket fence around your garden that wouldn't keep out an invalid geriatric signifies that it is your land and no one should enter without permission, so most people don't. So by building a big beautiful wall on the border, the amount of people even attempting to cross illegally would be greatly reduced, which is to everyone's benefit.

This is probably my favourite wall. It surrounds the center of York, you can walk all the way around it and get great views of the old city and the Minster as well as the surrounding suburbs and countryside. It has some lovely gatehouses, some of which contain things like museum exhibits and tea rooms!

https://www.britainexpress.com/counties/yorkshire/images/York/City-Walls/York-5959.jpg

https://www.livingtravel.com/europe/england/yorkshire_northeast/York16.jpg

dhawkeye1980
08-28-2018, 08:43 AM
It probably could. We just don't want to spend the resources on making it happen.

Oh so its okay to spend more tax payer money when its something you agree with gotcha

TaeBoNinja
08-28-2018, 08:57 AM
This is my observation of how the immigration argument typically flows:

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"Build the wall!"
"Why?"
"Illegal immigrants cost us money, and some of them are violent criminals. Also we don't want people who don't respect our laws."
"Okay, fair enough. How about we make the immigration process better, so they can pay taxes and become productive citizens, and not violate any laws by coming here... without waiting 15 years in line?"
"But they might not be the kind of people we want as citizens!"
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The core of the issue, for a lot of people, is not the legality of their immigration status - we can solve that problem by making it easier for them to immigrate legally.

It's just that, for whatever reason, some people just don't like immigrants regardless of what they might or might not contribute to the country, now and in the future.

As for me, personally... I think the people who are willing to make the trip and work hard for a living, are at least as deserving of a shot at the American dream as people who were born here, dropped out of high school, and blame "the immigrants" for all their problems.
FYI, there's 150 million people in Mexico, nearly half the US population. We can't asborb endless immigration every year, there it has to be metered like every other country does. Our immigration system has always bene fine, illeglas simply want to jump the line.

And as for the "I think the people who are willing to make the trip and work hard for a living, are at least as deserving of a shot at the American dream" nonsense.....well no. What these migrants need to do is fix their own damn country. How about using that hard work to make Latin america great? 6 billion live on Earth, we can't simply have everyone come to America to live their dream, we need them to use that work ethic to improve their home conditions. America got to where it is through a revolution, civil war, suffrage, two world wars, civil right movement, and the greatest technological era known to man. other nations need to do the same. We still will accept immigrants, but they have to come through the legal route.

jfcantu
08-28-2018, 08:59 AM
Oh so its okay to spend more tax payer money when its something you agree with gotcha

That's a general theme in democracy, yeah.

But anyways.

Yes, I'm of the opinion that bringing in productive citizens is a better long-term investment than building a wall to keep them out.

jfcantu
08-28-2018, 09:02 AM
6 billion live on Earth, we can't simply have everyone come to America to live their dream, we need them to use that work ethic to improve their home conditions.

And... not all of those six billion want to come to America.


America got to where it is through a revolution, civil war, suffrage, two world wars, civil right movement, and the greatest technological era known to man.

Yeeeeeeeeeees... and which of those happened without the involvement of immigrants?

icetrauma
08-28-2018, 09:03 AM
and... Not all of those six billion want to come to america.



Yeeeeeeeeeees... And which of those happened without the involvement of "legal" immigrants?

fify

jfcantu
08-28-2018, 09:06 AM
fify

Yes.

Consistent with my theme in this thread of advocating for expanded legal immigration.

Bushmaster
08-28-2018, 09:18 AM
I'm speechless, I refuse to believe there are people out there this fuking stupid. My head hurts at the things these liberals come up with

Oh, they're out there.. There was the woman who befriended her daughter's rapist/murderer a while back. I can't find a link to it yet, but she said something to the effect of "There is so much we can learn from him!" :rolleyes:

TaeBoNinja
08-28-2018, 09:22 AM
And... not all of those six billion want to come to America.
No need for a 3rd grader response. A nation of 300 million can absorb only so much year to year, and we've always been the world leader in legal immigration. I'm a big propoent of legal immigrants, we need to keep bringing in the best and brightest from around the world. But there has to be limits, and that's the issue with illegal immigration. They're not the best and brightest and have no workable skills in a modern workforce.

Titansfan08
08-28-2018, 09:23 AM
Oh, they're out there.. There was the woman who befriended her daughter's rapist/murderer a while back. I can't find a link to it yet, but she said something to the effect of "There is so much we can learn from him!" :rolleyes:Wow sickening. Disgusting how they can love illegals more than their own children.

bassline8
08-28-2018, 09:23 AM
Oh, they're out there.. There was the woman who befriended her daughter's rapist/murderer a while back. I can't find a link to it yet, but she said something to the effect of "There is so much we can learn from him!" :rolleyes:

Here you go

https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Just++my++up+white++is+happy+that_0eaf0c_5685411.j pg

Bushmaster
08-28-2018, 09:33 AM
^^^ "Our daughter was pulled from her car and murdered in one of the most violent ways you can imagine! Isn't it awesome? Look how happy we are!" :)

dhawkeye1980
08-28-2018, 09:37 AM
That's a general theme in democracy, yeah.

But anyways.

Yes, I'm of the opinion that bringing in productive citizens is a better long-term investment than building a wall to keep them out.

So how do you plan on stopping the non productive ones who smuggle in contraband and sex traffickers?

Hartski
08-28-2018, 09:43 AM
So how do you plan on stopping the non productive ones who smuggle in contraband and sex traffickers?

https://i2.wp.com/blog.cpal.com.au/realiseyourdream/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/minefield.jpg?fit=850%2C564

iabs
08-28-2018, 11:30 AM
Here you go

https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Just++my++up+white++is+happy+that_0eaf0c_5685411.j pg

Jesus...

Hartski
08-28-2018, 11:51 AM
Liberal IQ test....

https://memeguy.com/photos/images/key-cleaner-231601.jpg

TaeBoNinja
08-28-2018, 12:09 PM
Here you go

https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Just++my++up+white++is+happy+that_0eaf0c_5685411.j pg
And people wonder why I don't give a fuk about SA. Socialist cucks gonna socialize