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redmelly
07-11-2018, 03:20 PM
How will my life be better if I vote D in November? I'm not fully understanding what the democrat's goals are once in power besides a steady stream of immigrants (how will that enhance the life of a typical American?). What else do they want to change?

spatchcock
07-11-2018, 03:23 PM
Trump is a literal fascist trying to take your rights and those of all women and minorities away all while putting money in his rich friends pockets.

Also he is an anti American Putin plant.

ymer
07-11-2018, 03:24 PM
Trump is a literal fascist trying to take your rights and those of all women and minorities away all while putting money in his rich friends pockets.

Also he is an anti American Putin plant.

Damn I really can't tell if srs or awesome impersonation.

gixxer0.6g
07-11-2018, 03:24 PM
I mean, if you enjoy a big fat Loss every morning with your soyboy latte then by all means, vote D. I'll take my winning with a side of AR-15s and your momma.

redmelly
07-11-2018, 03:24 PM
Trump is a literal fascist trying to take your rights and those of all women and minorities away all while putting money in his rich friends pockets.

Also he is an anti American Putin plant.

Okay but what do the Democrats want to do once they get into power? I don't understand the objectives (besides get Trump out of power).

StarFox
07-11-2018, 03:26 PM
Okay but what do the Democrats want to do once they get into power? I don't understand the objectives (besides get Trump out of power).

That is seemingly their only objective.

jlick
07-11-2018, 03:27 PM
The best reason to vote for dems is because we believe health care is a human right. no human is illegal. We wish to abolish boarder control and ICE. All of the hard working people in society need to pay for the rest of society through higher taxes. The constitution is an old and out dated document, so we really want to go away from the 2nd amendment and then eventually the 1st amendment. 6 year olds boys have a right to become girls if that is what they want. We like to make deals with foreign countries, and by deals, i mean ship pallets of cash in the middle of night to countries that fund terrorists in the middle east. did i miss anything else, soyboys??

~Hades~
07-11-2018, 03:29 PM
The best reason to vote for dems is because we believe health care is a human right. no human is illegal. We wish to abolish boarder control and ICE. All of the hard working people in society need to pay for the rest of society through higher taxes. The constitution is an old and out dated document, so we really want to go away from the 2nd amendment and then eventually the 1st amendment. 6 year olds boys have a right to become girls if that is what they want. We like to make deals with foreign countries, and by deals, i mean ship pallets of cash in the middle of night to countries that fund terrorists in the middle east. did i miss anything else, soyboys??

This is an accurate representation of the lefts platform in 2018

ImBunky
07-11-2018, 06:42 PM
The best reason to vote for dems is because we believe health care is a human right. no human is illegal. We wish to abolish boarder control and ICE. All of the hard working people in society need to pay for the rest of society through higher taxes. The constitution is an old and out dated document, so we really want to go away from the 2nd amendment and then eventually the 1st amendment. 6 year olds boys have a right to become girls if that is what they want. We like to make deals with foreign countries, and by deals, i mean ship pallets of cash in the middle of night to countries that fund terrorists in the middle east. did i miss anything else, soyboys??

Damn, your a lousy salesman.

SillieBazzillie
07-11-2018, 06:46 PM
I always lol at when you losers use soyboys and think you're actually making some kind of dig with legitimate origins.

The stupidity of y'all is astounding. But then of course, you voted for Trump who can hardly speak.

Stizzel
07-11-2018, 06:56 PM
If you don't vote D you're a russian nazi

scheal
07-11-2018, 09:54 PM
How will my life be better if I vote D in November? I'm not fully understanding what the democrat's goals are

Hate Trump

scheal
07-11-2018, 09:56 PM
I always lol at when you losers use soyboys and think you're actually making some kind of dig with legitimate origins.

The stupidity of y'all is astounding. But then of course, you voted for Trump who can hardly speak.

And not one reason to vote for marxism was given

BullittEV
07-11-2018, 09:57 PM
I always lol at when you losers use soyboys and think you're actually making some kind of dig with legitimate origins.

The stupidity of y'all is astounding. But then of course, you voted for Trump who can hardly speak.

Kind of like when you refer to everyone here as alt right?


The party of the left today is currently being hijacked by socialists. Classic liberals do not have the spine to fight back or are moving to the right. Trumps agenda today is similar to Clinton '92.

So it's either Trump (capitalism, pro-USA, pro-Constitution) or open borders, and when the open borders gets out of control- it will be too late. our voting process will have been so overrun with "who can and cant vote" it could be very, very weak.

iabs
07-11-2018, 09:59 PM
I always lol at when you losers use soyboys and think you're actually making some kind of dig with legitimate origins.

The stupidity of y'all is astounding. But then of course, you voted for Trump who can hardly speak.

Translation: No, you!

Nice comeback, pal.

tnel00
07-11-2018, 10:14 PM
If you don't, you're a literal nazi

LukeLissen
07-11-2018, 10:20 PM
OP their platform is


- impeach Trump so they can get revenge for feeling like Losers

- eliminate Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement

- fully open borders to bring in as many poor and unemployed immigrants as possible in exchange for voting Democrat so that America becomes a one party totalitarian state

- increase socialism until working people are taxed 99% of their income and are left with a few dollars a week, while maximizing the % of non-working welfare dependent people to 99% of the population that the one party socialist-communist Democrat Party state can more easily control

- take not only guns away from the people but all forms of self defense weapons including knives, swords scissors and rocks; amend the Constitution to remove the Second Amendment

- make it illegal to support masculinity, nationalism, conservatism,

- ban the American flag

- ban all forms of electronic communication not ran/own/moderated/admin'd by Leftists because absolute control of propaganda is key to communists; including 100% gov control of the internet

- removing the idea of family and children. Families and children will be owned and controlled by the state, not by parents.

- make it legal to harass, intimidate, oppress, and beat up Republicans and anyone else who is not a supporter of the Lunatic Left

Ephedra
07-11-2018, 11:14 PM
To summarize two leftists came into this thread to ridicule Trump and not give a single reason to vote Democrat.

Got it.

Murrmanski
07-11-2018, 11:21 PM
To summarize two leftists came into this thread to ridicule Trump and not give a single reason to vote Democrat.

Got it.

Lol this.

They don't have a realistic long-term plan. Every single talking point is emotional, short sighted and reactionary. It's absolutely hilarious if you take a step back and look how bizarre their platform is.

SYKO227
07-11-2018, 11:25 PM
If you don't vote D you're a russian nazi

Russian Nazi checking in comrade fuhrer.

iHateDeadlifts
07-11-2018, 11:28 PM
I'm part Hispanic, so I don't see any reason why I would ever vote Republican when I have friends/family who aren't legal citizens ( very great people). Also I don't support White Supremacy so thats kind of another reason. LOL.

iHateDeadlifts
07-11-2018, 11:30 PM
I mean, if you enjoy a big fat Loss every morning with your soyboy latte then by all means, vote D. I'll take my winning with a side of AR-15s and your momma.

republicans took a big fat L every morning for 8 straight years lmao. Where were you?

ODBM
07-11-2018, 11:30 PM
I'm part Hispanic, so I don't see any reason why I would ever vote Republican when I have friends/family who aren't legal citizens ( very great people). Also I don't support White Supremacy so thats kind of another reason. LOL.
This right here is an example of why diversity does not work. You do realize that what you essentially said is you won't vote a certain way because you don't want laws to be enforced.

Absolute trash.

iabs
07-11-2018, 11:34 PM
I'm part Hispanic, so I don't see any reason why I would ever vote Republican when I have friends/family who aren't legal citizens ( very great people). Also I don't support White Supremacy so thats kind of another reason. LOL.

I am Hispanic and I didn't migrate to the US to see it turn into Mexico.

This is the best country in the world and I will forever be grateful for having the opportunities and the personal liberties my own country painfully denied me.

iHateDeadlifts
07-11-2018, 11:35 PM
This right here is an example of why diversity does not work. You do realize that what you essentially said is you won't vote a certain way because you don't want laws to be enforced.

Absolute trash.

bruh fuk the law lmaooo I don't give 2 chits what the law says. Get your laws and shove them up your ass. Fuk 12. Just because it's a law doesn't make it morally right. It was against the law for Nazi guards to let Jews free from camps. It was against the law to let black people vote in Early America. Don't give me no lesson about "laws" lol.


you vote towards your interests. I VOTE TO CHANGE the law.

iHateDeadlifts
07-11-2018, 11:36 PM
I am Hispanic and I didn't migrate to the US to see it turn into Mexico.

This is the best country in the world and I will forever be grateful for having the opportunities and the personal liberties my own country painfully denied me.


neither did I?


However, I have cousins and 2 grandparents who are not American citizens but living in America. They are great people. Am I supposed to be an Uncle Tom and call Ice on them? Fukin lol.... not every Hispanic has the privilege of being born in America dude. America is great and all, but doesn't mean it can get fixed to become better for everyone.

LukeLissen
07-11-2018, 11:37 PM
I'm part Hispanic, so I don't see any reason why I would ever vote Republican when I have friends/family who aren't legal citizens ( very great people). Also I don't support White Supremacy so thats kind of another reason. LOL.

If they are truly great people who can contribute, then they should be allowed to immigrate legally.

I and most Republicans and Trump supporters that I know are not against legal immigration.

We are against illegal and uncontrolled immigration for a very long list of a variety of reasons.

We are against people coming here and working without paying taxes, while using a variety of 'free' services paid for by American citizens one way or another, and then taking their money back to Mexico or wherever. Similarly we are against Mexican drug cartels running shop in the US and taking the ENORMOUS profits back to Mexico. Those things are good for Mexico but very harmful to the US ...... in a similar way to how the massive trade imbalance with China is harmful to the US. These things are drains of wealth away from the US. They are rivers of wealth flowing away from the US.

ODBM
07-11-2018, 11:39 PM
bruh fuk the law lmaooo I don't give 2 chits what the law says. Get your laws and shove them up your ass. Fuk 12. Just because it's a law doesn't make it morally right. It was against the law for Nazi guards to let Jews free from camps. It was against the law to let black people vote in Early America. Don't give me no lesson about "laws" lol.


you vote towards your interests. I VOTE TO CHANGE the law.
Quoting this just in case you decide to edit or delete it later. You are an enemy of the American people.

iabs
07-11-2018, 11:41 PM
neither did I?


However, I have cousins and 2 grandparents who are not American citizens but living in America. They are great people. Am I supposed to be an Uncle Tom and call Ice on them? Fukin lol.... not every Hispanic has the privilege of being born in America dude. America is great and all, but doesn't mean it can get fixed to become better for everyone.

This screams open borders.

The very idea is flawed beyond argument. Your illegal cousins are here only because they can benefit financially from the system, they may work and pay bills, but they are stealing from tax payers and breaking US law by simply being here illegally, sorry if this fact bothers you.

Why not work towards legal citizenship? Is it expensive? yes. Is it worth every penny? you're damn right it is.

fleeceitout
07-11-2018, 11:47 PM
bruh fuk the law lmaooo I don't give 2 chits what the law says. Get your laws and shove them up your ass. Fuk 12. Just because it's a law doesn't make it morally right. It was against the law for Nazi guards to let Jews free from camps. It was against the law to let black people vote in Early America. Don't give me no lesson about "laws" lol.


you vote towards your interests. I VOTE TO CHANGE the law.

They’re not sending their best.

iHateDeadlifts
07-11-2018, 11:48 PM
This screams open borders.

The very idea is flawed beyond argument. Your illegal cousins are here only because they can benefit financially from the system, they may work and pay bills, but they are stealing from tax payers and breaking US law by simply being here illegally, sorry if this fact bothers you.

Why not work towards legal citizenship? Is it expensive? yes. Is it worth every penny? you're damn right it is.

you make no sense. you are hispanic. One of your ancestors had to have crossed America illegally at one point in their lifetime from a Latin country. Why is it ok for them to do it, but not other people. You are hypocritical dude.

and it takes years and years and it's expensive and time consuming to get a green card/visa. It's a long, tedious process that the average person can't make sometimes. Yeah they might be breaking the law, but so were your ancestors when they crossed ( if you are actually Hispanic like you claim to be)

iabs
07-11-2018, 11:52 PM
you make no sense. you are hispanic. One of your ancestors had to have crossed America illegally at one point in their lifetime from a Latin country. Why is it ok for them to do it, but not other people. You are hypocritical dude.

and it takes years and years and it's expensive and time consuming to get a green card/visa. It's a long, tedious process that the average person can't make sometimes. Yeah they might be breaking the law, but so were your ancestors when they crossed ( if you are actually Hispanic like you claim to be)

What an ignorant comment. So, according to you the only way a Hispanic person (and apparently anyone from outside the US??) can come here is illegally?

wow, you're just clueless, bud.

And no, I didn't come here illegally, I became a US citizen the good ol' LEGAL way. I'm not Mexican FYI.

ack33
07-11-2018, 11:55 PM
bruh fuk the law lmaooo I don't give 2 chits what the law says. Get your laws and shove them up your ass.

That convinced me to vote for Dems in November. If you want lawlessness, vote blue

fitnessislife
07-11-2018, 11:59 PM
bruh fuk the law lmaooo I don't give 2 chits what the law says. Get your laws and shove them up your ass. Fuk 12. Just because it's a law doesn't make it morally right. It was against the law for Nazi guards to let Jews free from camps. It was against the law to let black people vote in Early America. Don't give me no lesson about "laws" lol.


you vote towards your interests. I VOTE TO CHANGE the law.

Ah yes, the old “enforcing immigration law is the same as Nazism and slavery” derp.

dhawkeye1980
07-12-2018, 12:20 AM
I'm part Hispanic, so I don't see any reason why I would ever vote Republican when I have friends/family who aren't legal citizens ( very great people). Also I don't support White Supremacy so thats kind of another reason. LOL.

Why dont they stay and contribute to making their country better?

Ephedra
07-12-2018, 02:01 AM
neither did I?


However, I have cousins and 2 grandparents who are not American citizens but living in America. They are great people. Am I supposed to be an Uncle Tom and call Ice on them? Fukin lol.... not every Hispanic has the privilege of being born in America dude. America is great and all, but doesn't mean it can get fixed to become better for everyone.

And THIS is the reason Democrats have pushed everybody else to the side to placate illegals. They know a ton of them have illegal family/friends and are FORCED to vote Democrat.

It's another reason that we need the wall built, e-verify, and end to chain migration ASAP. Any sort of amnesty will multiply this issue dramatically...as amnesty allows previous illegals to now legally vote and they're forced Democrat because they'll have illegal family/friends.

Thanks for sharing, buddy.

leafs43
07-12-2018, 03:20 AM
Hope and change!

Oh sorry, not 2008

FatalTragedy12
07-12-2018, 03:36 AM
How will my life be better if I vote D in November? I'm not fully understanding what the democrat's goals are once in power besides a steady stream of immigrants (how will that enhance the life of a typical American?). What else do they want to change?

Taxes will be reformed, giving corporations a huge tax hike. Taxes for average people will be decreased or remain at the same level (result: more money for public services and you).

Common sense foreign policy and decreasing the threat of international war.

A move towards more social policies, increasing your quality of life.

fitnessislife
07-12-2018, 03:41 AM
Taxes will be reformed, giving corporations a huge tax hike. Taxes for average people will be decreased or remain at the same level (result: more money for public services and you).

Uh, taxes for average people have already gone down. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi has said their intention is to raise taxes should they regain power.


Common sense foreign policy and decreasing the threat of international war.

Policies that put the US first are risking “international war”?


A move towards more social policies, increasing your quality of life.

Oh good, more government to the rescue.

BearyManilowe
07-12-2018, 03:51 AM
Taxes will be reformed, giving corporations a huge tax hike. Taxes for average people will be decreased or remain at the same level (result: more money for public services and you).

Common sense foreign policy and decreasing the threat of international war.

A move towards more social policies, increasing your quality of life.

Lolwut? Dems are going to bring taxes back up, because that's the only way they know how to try to lessen the national debt. They assume if they just tax the hell out of everyone they can keep spending inflated and still make it seem like "the debt is dropping" while you're average middle class citizen will need to rely on increasing their personal debt to stay afloat.

Where is our threat of international war? You understand that had we brought in Clinton we'd already be entrenched in another big war in the ME right? This was one of the biggest knocks against Clinton in actual non extremist voting circles (which make up a majority of voters, despite what social media says)

Social policies to increase my quality of life? LGBTQRA HDGDOWYGAIDG rights only effect maybe 1% of the populous, unless you think the government can effectively curb the way people think or the inflated crime in inner cities, nothing will have an effect on my day to day.

This is why Dems aren't taken seriously.

FatalTragedy12
07-12-2018, 03:52 AM
Uh, taxes for average people have already gone down. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi has said their intention is to raise taxes should they regain power.

Policies that put the US first are risking “international war”?

Oh good, more government to the rescue.

Raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations. Trump's tax reform overwhelmingly benefits corporations and the super rich (>$500K bracket).

Yes, the U.S. taking an isolationist stance at a time when war with Russia on the Estonian front is almost inevitable is dangerous.

Government to the rescue is good for people and bad for corporations.

JaxBrah
07-12-2018, 04:25 AM
as the wild shift towards republicans in the midterm election polls are showing, theres no reason to vote dem. seriously, what could they possibly offer? The country is doing great economically and internationally. There are jobs galore, taxes are lowered, 70 year war and a dictator denuclearized without firing a single bullet, ISIS wiped off map, ect.

This shows woth crystal clarity when the democrats big campaign pitch is an unending flow of illegal immigrants, sex trafficers, and drugs. When you are a party that is defending MS-13 and protesting ICE as they are on a child trafficing raid, you know you have nothing to campaign on.

The dems best bet is to send out some lackies in 2020 and save their real candidates for 2024 after they conpletely reform their party from the radical far left back towards the center.

JaxBrah
07-12-2018, 04:29 AM
Raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations. Trump's tax reform overwhelmingly benefits corporations and the super rich (>$500K bracket).

Yes, the U.S. taking an isolationist stance at a time when war with Russia on the Estonian front is almost inevitable is dangerous.

Government to the rescue is good for people and bad for corporations.

lol at hard democrats suddenly want war with Russia and how they went back to 60s foreign policy the second Trump was elected.

Also, the taxes benefitted everyone. the benefits on the corporations and top brackets have proven to be fantastic for the country; considering the status of the economy.

Seatard
07-12-2018, 04:44 AM
How about not fixating on the party and voting for a candidate that best fits your views?

mCheech
07-12-2018, 05:03 AM
Taxes will be reformed, giving corporations a huge tax hike. Taxes for average people will be decreased or remain at the same level (result: more money for public services and you).

Common sense foreign policy and decreasing the threat of international war.

A move towards more social policies, increasing your quality of life.

And I am sure they wont cut down employment to compensate! And we will have rainbows and unicorns!

PenorBrahNoHomo
07-12-2018, 05:05 AM
I always lol at when you losers use soyboys and think you're actually making some kind of dig with legitimate origins.

The stupidity of y'all is astounding. But then of course, you voted for Trump who can hardly speak.

Posted from Starcucks while sipping daintily on a soy latte.

JoshSP1985
07-12-2018, 05:16 AM
How will my life be better if I vote D in November? I'm not fully understanding what the democrat's goals are once in power besides a steady stream of immigrants (how will that enhance the life of a typical American?). What else do they want to change?

Your life won't be better but I can tell you their goals.

Expand the welfare state the the point that the class gap widens until you eventually only have the rich and the poor.

FatalTragedy12
07-12-2018, 05:18 AM
Your life won't be better but I can tell you their goals.

Expand the welfare state the the point that the class gap widens until you eventually only have the rich and the poor.

https://i.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.webp

Sorry, but that's capitalism.

e.g. in Norway, a homeless person gets free shelter and a weekly income until they get a job.

turk75
07-12-2018, 05:24 AM
OP their platform is


- impeach Trump so they can get revenge for feeling like Losers

- eliminate Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement

- fully open borders to bring in as many poor and unemployed immigrants as possible in exchange for voting Democrat so that America becomes a one party totalitarian state

- increase socialism until working people are taxed 99% of their income and are left with a few dollars a week, while maximizing the % of non-working welfare dependent people to 99% of the population that the one party socialist-communist Democrat Party state can more easily control

- take not only guns away from the people but all forms of self defense weapons including knives, swords scissors and rocks; amend the Constitution to remove the Second Amendment

- make it illegal to support masculinity, nationalism, conservatism,

- ban the American flag

- ban all forms of electronic communication not ran/own/moderated/admin'd by Leftists because absolute control of propaganda is key to communists; including 100% gov control of the internet

- removing the idea of family and children. Families and children will be owned and controlled by the state, not by parents.

- make it legal to harass, intimidate, oppress, and beat up Republicans and anyone else who is not a supporter of the Lunatic Left


This x1000 & so much more.

redmelly
07-12-2018, 05:26 AM
you make no sense. you are hispanic. One of your ancestors had to have crossed America illegally at one point in their lifetime from a Latin country. Why is it ok for them to do it, but not other people. You are hypocritical dude.

and it takes years and years and it's expensive and time consuming to get a green card/visa. It's a long, tedious process that the average person can't make sometimes. Yeah they might be breaking the law, but so were your ancestors when they crossed ( if you are actually Hispanic like you claim to be)

Two wrongs don't make a right.

BearyManilowe
07-12-2018, 05:43 AM
https://i.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.webp

Sorry, but that's capitalism.

e.g. in Norway, a homeless person gets free shelter and a weekly income until they get a job.

Norway is less populated than MD.

rampagefc77
07-12-2018, 05:54 AM
bruh fuk the law lmaooo I don't give 2 chits what the law says. Get your laws and shove them up your ass. Fuk 12. Just because it's a law doesn't make it morally right. It was against the law for Nazi guards to let Jews free from camps. It was against the law to let black people vote in Early America. Don't give me no lesson about "laws" lol.


you vote towards your interests. I VOTE TO CHANGE the law.

So if 95% of the illegal immigrants that came across the border were MS-13 or radical Islamic terrorists who come for nefarious reasons (say- drug trafficking, sex trafficking, draining welfare benefits from actual US citizens, illegally voting and influencing US politics, etc.) this wouldn't matter... because you know a handful of illegals who are good people. Who cares about laws, amirite???!!!!

That's like saying "I'm OK with murder because I know of someone who killed someone in self-defense, and he was a good guy so murder must be OK and we need to do away with the law!"

If you want to live in the US, you have to follow our laws. They are put in place for a reason. Sure, you can probably conjure up a situation where they might not seem fair, but that doesn't change the law. Illegally entering our country is a slap in the face to everyone who went through the necessary steps to get here legally.

rampagefc77
07-12-2018, 05:58 AM
Raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations. Trump's tax reform overwhelmingly benefits corporations and the super rich (>$500K bracket).

Yes, the U.S. taking an isolationist stance at a time when war with Russia on the Estonian front is almost inevitable is dangerous.

Government to the rescue is good for people and bad for corporations.

You realize that the corporate tax rate in the US was not at all competitive with other regions and that the US was losing industry and jobs for our own citizens as a result? Reducing corporate tax can help to keep jobs in the US, improving our own economy. We have already seen this.

It's a nice liberal talking point to say "Trump is just trying to get his rich buddies richer!!!!" but that isn't the truth.

Retoaded
07-12-2018, 05:58 AM
you make no sense. you are hispanic. One of your ancestors had to have crossed America illegally at one point in their lifetime from a Latin country. Why is it ok for them to do it, but not other people. You are hypocritical dude.

and it takes years and years and it's expensive and time consuming to get a green card/visa. It's a long, tedious process that the average person can't make sometimes. Yeah they might be breaking the law, but so were your ancestors when they crossed ( if you are actually Hispanic like you claim to be)


Is this serious?

Age: 21. Ok, I see.

Beararms
07-12-2018, 06:00 AM
https://i.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.webp

Sorry, but that's capitalism.

e.g. in Norway, a homeless person gets free shelter and a weekly income until they get a job.

Norway is the worst example anyone can use to present socialism. ATL has a bigger population than that place. Stuff like that is only works with a tiny population.

There really isn't any reason to vote Dem as a legal citizen other than a moral standpoint that falls on its face against facts and logic.
Their voter base is the poor and minorities that can benefit from their policies. Keep spoon feeding them welfare and they'll vote Dem for life.

Jayarbie
07-12-2018, 07:02 AM
How will my life be better if I vote D in November? I'm not fully understanding what the democrat's goals are once in power besides a steady stream of immigrants (how will that enhance the life of a typical American?). What else do they want to change?Who are the candidates in your district? You should always vote for the best person in the race, not a party.

dhawkeye1980
07-12-2018, 07:05 AM
Raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations. Trump's tax reform overwhelmingly benefits corporations and the super rich (>$500K bracket).

Yes, the U.S. taking an isolationist stance at a time when war with Russia on the Estonian front is almost inevitable is dangerous.

Government to the rescue is good for people and bad for corporations.

Maybe because they pay the most taxes already? Did you happen to notice how a marjority of businesses getting tax cuts immediately hired more workers or gave raises/bonuses. You cant be that dumb right?

Kreuzritter
07-12-2018, 07:18 AM
you make no sense. you are hispanic. One of your ancestors had to have crossed America illegally at one point in their lifetime from a Latin country. Why is it ok for them to do it, but not other people. You are hypocritical dude.

and it takes years and years and it's expensive and time consuming to get a green card/visa. It's a long, tedious process that the average person can't make sometimes. Yeah they might be breaking the law, but so were your ancestors when they crossed ( if you are actually Hispanic like you claim to be)

This is why diversity becomes a problem, because 'hispanics' like this guy, no matter how much they get from the US will always have more allegiance to a place like mexico than the US.
You see this country as a white milk cow you can just leech off of till hispanics are bred in as the majority, at which time you would most likely want to just call this mexico 2.0.

Ephedra
07-12-2018, 07:26 AM
Maybe because they pay the most taxes already? Did you happen to notice how a marjority of businesses getting tax cuts immediately hired more workers or gave raises/bonuses. You cant be that dumb right?

Tax cuts and deregulation are the entire reason our economy is booming and we're at full employment. We literally witnessed it first hand over the last 1.5 years. Crazy to think there are dumb fuks who want to reverse it despite seeing first hand evidence of tax cuts working.

x-trainer ben
07-12-2018, 07:26 AM
How will my life be better if I vote D in November? I'm not fully understanding what the democrat's goals are once in power besides a steady stream of immigrants (how will that enhance the life of a typical American?). What else do they want to change?


When a person posts a thread like this their word choice used is indicative that their mind is already made up and they are just looking to argue online. If you are paying attention to the daily news and like the way things are going, then stick with the current party.

gluon
07-12-2018, 07:35 AM
you make no sense. you are hispanic. One of your ancestors had to have crossed America illegally at one point in their lifetime from a Latin country. Why is it ok for them to do it, but not other people. You are hypocritical dude.

and it takes years and years and it's expensive and time consuming to get a green card/visa. It's a long, tedious process that the average person can't make sometimes. Yeah they might be breaking the law, but so were your ancestors when they crossed ( if you are actually Hispanic like you claim to be)



you realize that most people in Mexico are much closer to being conservative than they are liberal, and that they strictly enforce immigration laws. You are an example of the brainwashing of the young by the left.

Ten_Hearts
07-12-2018, 07:44 AM
How will my life be better if I vote D in November? I'm not fully understanding what the democrat's goals are once in power besides a steady stream of immigrants (how will that enhance the life of a typical American?). What else do they want to change?

Well to start were do you stand on certain issues? Big ones being things like civil rights, taxation, foreign affairs, 2A etc.

litljay
07-12-2018, 07:50 AM
Raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations. Trump's tax reform overwhelmingly benefits corporations and the super rich (>$500K bracket).

Yes, the U.S. taking an isolationist stance at a time when war with Russia on the Estonian front is almost inevitable is dangerous.

Government to the rescue is good for people and bad for corporations.

Who do you think actually pays the majority of the taxes? This type of drivel is just propaganda.


[img]https://i.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.webp[img]

Sorry, but that's capitalism.

e.g. in Norway, a homeless person gets free shelter and a weekly income until they get a job.

And somebody that is working has to pay for that.

tats27
07-12-2018, 08:02 AM
I'm part Hispanic, so I don't see any reason why I would ever vote Republican when I have friends/family who aren't legal citizens ( very great people). Also I don't support White Supremacy so thats kind of another reason. LOL.

Damn you are dumb as dirt.

redmelly
07-12-2018, 08:10 AM
Taxes will be reformed, giving corporations a huge tax hike. Taxes for average people will be decreased or remain at the same level (result: more money for public services and you).

Common sense foreign policy and decreasing the threat of international war.

A move towards more social policies, increasing your quality of life.

I already got a huge tax decrease under Trump. My company also got a huge decrease which means an even bigger bonus for me. As for international war, it seems things are more peaceful now than they were 3 years ago.

What social policies will I benefit from? Can you be specific?

scheal
07-12-2018, 08:15 AM
Taxes will be reformed, giving corporations a huge tax hike. Taxes for average people will be decreased or remain at the same level (result: more money for public services and you).

Common sense foreign policy and decreasing the threat of international war.

A move towards more social policies, increasing [n]your quality of life.[/b]

Bolded = false

SYKO227
07-12-2018, 09:48 AM
republicans took a big fat L every morning for 8 straight years lmao. Where were you?
Well, we true Americans didn't go around smashing windows,attacking libs,censoring their free speech, and cry "Obama is not my president" every day.

What it did do was to create the silent majority that got Trump elected. We got tired of the PC police/SJW bull**** that we put up with for so long. It's time to MAGA.

FatalTragedy12
07-12-2018, 09:59 AM
Well, we true Americans didn't go around smashing windows,attacking libs,censoring their free speech, and cry "Obama is not my president" every day.

What it did do was to create the silent majority that got Trump elected. We got tired of the PC police/SJW bull**** that we put up with for so long. It's time to MAGA.

It's laughable how you take credit for the win like this was all planned. It was not planned and Trump's win was not due to a majority.

SYKO227
07-12-2018, 10:00 AM
https://i.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.webp

Sorry, but that's capitalism.

e.g. in Norway, a homeless person gets free shelter and a weekly income until they get a job.

So the lazy soy loving bums will actually go look for a job asap or do you think all that free time they have they'll just smoke a bowl, shoot up drugs, and fingerpaint in the streets all day instead? If they have a weekly allowance they might as well use it to chit in the streets after drinking their Starcucks soy latte. They won't bother to look for a job if they're guaranteed a paycheck weekly.

FatalTragedy12
07-12-2018, 10:04 AM
So the lazy soy loving bums will actually go look for a job asap or do you think all that free time they have they'll just smoke a bowl, shoot up drugs, and fingerpaint in the streets all day instead? If they have a weekly allowance they might as well use it to chit in the streets after drinking their Starcucks soy latte. They won't bother to look for a job if they're guaranteed a paycheck weekly.

They have to look for a job or the deal is off. You're right though, a lot of them are drug users, lazy soyboys etc. It keeps them off the streets and they put these people in needle exchanges, drug programs etc too.

Maestro
07-12-2018, 10:11 AM
That is seemingly their only objective.

To be honest democrats should be lucky trump is in office. If some vanilla republican had won they'd literally have no platform to run against in 2018 or 2020.

J1n
07-12-2018, 10:12 AM
It's laughable how you take credit for the win like this was all planned. It was not planned and Trump's win was not due to a majority.

He did win by majority electoral votes, which is how our system works.

dhawkeye1980
07-12-2018, 10:18 AM
It's laughable how you take credit for the win like this was all planned. It was not planned and Trump's win was not due to a majority.

Sorry illegals and dead people dont count for the majority

mstatefan91
07-12-2018, 10:32 AM
Because the liberal tears will drown us otherwise.. I don't want to drown.. do you?

Chowboy
07-12-2018, 10:45 AM
It's simple OP, if you don't vote D they'll hate you, harass you, even assault you. If that doesn't work, they'll come at you with the full force of a weaponized govt.


Come to think of it, they'll do that even if they win. So yeah, no upside.

mstatefan91
07-12-2018, 10:46 AM
It's simple OP, if you don't vote D they'll hate you, harass you, even assault you. If that doesn't work, they'll come at you with the full force of a weaponized govt.


Come to think of it, they'll do that even if they win. So yeah, no upside.

Scare tactics are a big part of it

ToPHeR35
07-12-2018, 10:48 AM
I always lol at when you losers use soyboys and think you're actually making some kind of dig with legitimate origins.

The stupidity of y'all is astounding. But then of course, you voted for Trump who can hardly speak.

Stop being a bitch and answer the question. What is the platform?

mstatefan91
07-12-2018, 10:49 AM
Stop being a bitch and answer the question. What is the platform?

Stop Fascism 2018! And then when that fails, Stop Fascism 2020! And when that fails, Stop Fascism 2022!

It isn't working, but they can't seem to help themselves

SYKO227
07-12-2018, 10:51 AM
It's laughable how you take credit for the win like this was all planned. It was not planned and Trump's win was not due to a majority.

I take credit for it? A whole bunch of people voted, I wasn't there campaigning for him.

"It was not planned"

Yeah, it was supposed to be #herturn but she's so unlikable and the only reason people voted for her was because it was time for a woman to break the glass ceiling :rolleyes: and they were just virtue signaling.
Just give it time, maybe Ivanka will run someday and we'll have the first female president.

Jayarbie
07-12-2018, 10:51 AM
To be honest democrats should be lucky trump is in office. If some vanilla republican had won they'd literally have no platform to run against in 2018 or 2020.They don't need a platform in 2018. Midterms are base elections. Whoever has the most fired up base wins by a landslide (usually the opposition party). Impeach Trump is all they need to say for this election. By 2020, they will need a coherent plan & platform.

knightofday
07-12-2018, 11:19 AM
bruh fuk the law lmaooo I don't give 2 chits what the law says. Get your laws and shove them up your ass. Fuk 12. Just because it's a law doesn't make it morally right. It was against the law for Nazi guards to let Jews free from camps. It was against the law to let black people vote in Early America. Don't give me no lesson about "laws" lol.


you vote towards your interests. I VOTE TO CHANGE the law.

You're fukking disgusting. I know many Mexican/hispanic people and EVERY Time it's the ones whos family broke the rules and are here illegaly that think this way. I know TONS of cool Mexican people that are good friends that followed the rules to get citizenship or were born here. THEY hate illegals as much as me. Same with Philipinos, these guys did their compulsory military service to gain citizenship LEGALLY and come here, and they hate illegals as much as the rest of us. They consider them cheaters and line cutters who are scumbags, similar to drivers who fly up the open lane and stop traffic to cut in at the last second. You are not the majority, and the voters will ,make that clear. I hope as you age, you realize the flaws in your way of thinking.

peacefromwithin
07-12-2018, 11:23 AM
Instead of voting for a pussay grabber, vote for a pussay

cadetduke
07-12-2018, 11:31 AM
and it takes years and years and it's expensive and time consuming to get a green card/visa. It's a long, tedious process that the average person can't make sometimes. Yeah they might be breaking the law, but so were your ancestors when they crossed ( if you are actually Hispanic like you claim to be)
No it doesn't. I know someone who has been deported twice and is now back (legally) in less than two years. Dude was poor as fuk living in Michoacan and came back to the US legally 3 months ago.

i3oosted
07-12-2018, 11:49 AM
The only things Dems have consistently sold throughout their history are slaves.

jdo1
07-12-2018, 12:05 PM
Only sell they got is "Trumps is racist and is a bigot" but they don't have anything else appealing

JoshSP1985
07-12-2018, 01:26 PM
https://i.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.webp

Sorry, but that's capitalism.

e.g. in Norway, a homeless person gets free shelter and a weekly income until they get a job.

"Free" shelter eh?

screwnuts
07-12-2018, 01:55 PM
Okay but what do the Democrats want to do once they get into power? I don't understand the objectives (besides get Trump out of power).

Less freedom, more welfare, higher taxes.

Unfortunately, Republicans aren't much better. You just get lower taxes and more wars instead of more welfare.

engj
07-12-2018, 02:51 PM
If you don't vote D you're a russian nazi

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ODBM
07-12-2018, 04:07 PM
We still have not heard from out resident leftist shills what the Democrat platform is.

iHateDeadlifts
07-12-2018, 04:56 PM
So if 95% of the illegal immigrants that came across the border were MS-13 or radical Islamic terrorists who come for nefarious reasons (say- drug trafficking, sex trafficking, draining welfare benefits from actual US citizens, illegally voting and influencing US politics, etc.) this wouldn't matter... because you know a handful of illegals who are good people. Who cares about laws, amirite???!!!!

That's like saying "I'm OK with murder because I know of someone who killed someone in self-defense, and he was a good guy so murder must be OK and we need to do away with the law!"

If you want to live in the US, you have to follow our laws. They are put in place for a reason. Sure, you can probably conjure up a situation where they might not seem fair, but that doesn't change the law. Illegally entering our country is a slap in the face to everyone who went through the necessary steps to get here legally.

this post would be be worth listening to except 95% of Illegal Immigrants are NOT in gangs or have malicious intents, nor are they ISIS leaders. Just because there is a couple of gang members doesn't mean the HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS of immigrants to America are chitty people ( they are average people like me and you trying to better their life and support America). Stop visiting 5tormfront and letting them brain wash you that every illegal immigrant is from a gang and partakes in drug activity.

There are plenty of White kids in America in Public schools, but White Kids tends to shoot up schools with multiple deaths across America....are you gonna ban white kids from public schools? Fukin lol use some logic dude.


" but the law is the law"!!!1111....I don't see anyone here getting mad when white kids in highschool are smoking weed or drinking alcohol. If your gonna be anal about the law when it comes to immigrants, have that same energy for everything else boyos. Like I said, just because it's illegal doesn't mean its the right thing.


" being here is illegal and a slap to the face to everyone who got here legally"......I promise you legal hispanics don't give a fuk if an immigrant is legal or illegal. Everyone has chit going on in their lives and they mind their own business. We all know how long, and tidious and expensive it is for immigrants to get their legal papers. Money and time isn't something an illegal immigrant has when they are fleeing their country into a complete new country. Put yourself in their shoes for once ffs

iHateDeadlifts
07-12-2018, 05:04 PM
No it doesn't. I know someone who has been deported twice and is now back (legally) in less than two years. Dude was poor as fuk living in Michoacan and came back to the US legally 3 months ago.


actually it does. I grew up with kids at my highschool who've been on the waistlist for their green papers for many years as well as their parents. They graduated highschool almost 3-4 years ago and they are just now getting their legal visas.


if it were easy, you would see thousands of new legal immigrants. But you don't. You think an immigrant who has the chance to become legal would purposely wait and risk the chance to get deported? We can sit here and throw anecdotal stories, but here is link since your probably too lazy to look it up and you probably literally think all you have to do is wait in a line at Walmart then you become a US citizen. Everyone has a different time.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/what-the-waiting-list-for-legal-residency-actually-looks-like/540408/



The United States has a cap for how many people can apply for a visa from each country. There are three factors that determine who gets approved: what category an individual falls under, how many others are in that category, and when an individual applies. Certain types of people have to wait decades to apply for an immigrant visa, while others take a much shorter amount of time. A U.S. permanent resident’s unmarried son or daughter, who is 21 years old or older, will have to wait roughly 21 years to file an application for an immigrant visa if they’re from Mexico, according to the State Department’s visa bulletin. The delay is a result of too much demand.

TacticalTaco
07-12-2018, 05:06 PM
They have to look for a job or the deal is off. You're right though, a lot of them are drug users, lazy soyboys etc. It keeps them off the streets and they put these people in needle exchanges, drug programs etc too.

So the same system in the U.K. where most young people forge a form every week saying they look for a job and continue to collect welfare? Like that one?

When you take away the incentive to remain self-sufficient, it has a ripple effect in someone's life. Very dangerous path.

ODBM
07-12-2018, 05:07 PM
snip
There's a lot of race-oriented pissing and moaning in this post, but let me address it in a few short points:

If you are not in this country legally, you are by definition a criminal. They need to do it the right way.
If you harbor illegals, then you yourself are a criminal.
The amount of white gun crime is dwarfed by the amount of black and Hispanic gun crime.
No, we do not approve of kids smoking pot and drinking alcohol, regardless of race.
Yes, many Hispanics who came here legally are annoyed by illegals.

You may technically be a US citizen, but I do not recognize you as an American. You have absolutely no regard for our laws, you are overtly anti-white, and if there were enough of you, you would turn this great nation into Mexico 2.0. People like you just don't understand that you fled your home countries because they suck, and trying to change the US into your home country will also make it suck. This is not a surprise to anyone with any amount of common sense, but as it has been said, they aren't sending their best and brightest.

I have more respect for urban gang members than I have for you. While they may be shooting each other over drugs and disagreements, they are not actively trying to undermine US immigration policy or destroy the nation in the same way that you are. Let me be clear and repeat myself: You are an enemy of the American people.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324

Jayarbie
07-12-2018, 06:16 PM
There's a lot of race-oriented pissing and moaning in this post, but let me address it in a few short points:

If you are not in this country legally, you are by definition a criminal. They need to do it the right way.
If you harbor illegals, then you yourself are a criminal.
The amount of white gun crime is dwarfed by the amount of black and Hispanic gun crime.
No, we do not approve of kids smoking pot and drinking alcohol, regardless of race.
Yes, many Hispanics who came here legally are annoyed by illegals.

You may technically be a US citizen, but I do not recognize you as an American. You have absolutely no regard for our laws, you are overtly anti-white, and if there were enough of you, you would turn this great nation into Mexico 2.0. People like you just don't understand that you fled your home countries because they suck, and trying to change the US into your home country will also make it suck. This is not a surprise to anyone with any amount of common sense, but as it has been said, they aren't sending their best and brightest.

I have more respect for urban gang members than I have for you. While they may be shooting each other over drugs and disagreements, they are not actively trying to undermine US immigration policy or destroy the nation in the same way that you are. Let me be clear and repeat myself: You are an enemy of the American people.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324Sieg! Heil!

JoeDelts
07-12-2018, 06:19 PM
Literally Hitler?

Oh yeah and free stuff! Lots of free stuff for everyone!

iabs
07-12-2018, 06:22 PM
Sieg! Heil!

I am Hispanic and I agree 100% with him.

Borders between ALL countries should be enforced and migration regulated to preserve the social and cultural fabric (let's not even dive into the economic consequences of unregulated migration) of ALL countries.

I fail to see the Nazi similarity in that premise.

leafs43
07-12-2018, 06:39 PM
I am Hispanic and I agree 100% with him.

Borders between ALL countries should be enforced and migration regulated to preserve the social and cultural fabric (let's not even dive into the economic consequences of unregulated migration) of ALL countries.

I fail to see the Nazi similarity in that premise.


The irony is that the Nazi's annexed countries that germanic bloodlines, the very same thing that Mexico preaches with reconquista.

redmelly
07-12-2018, 06:39 PM
I am Hispanic and I agree 100% with him.

Borders between ALL countries should be enforced and migration regulated to preserve the social and cultural fabric (let's not even dive into the economic consequences of unregulated migration) of ALL countries.

I fail to see the Nazi similarity in that premise.

These people don't understand what Hitler did. He invaded countries and attempted to exterminate undesirables who lived there. We want to protect our borders and allow for LEGAL immigration. How does anyone not see the difference. Lack of understanding of history is a real problem.

ODBM
07-12-2018, 06:42 PM
These people don't understand what Hitler did. He invaded countries and attempted to exterminate undesirables who lived there. We want to protect our borders and allow for LEGAL immigration. How does anyone not see the difference. Lack of understanding of history is a real problem.
Not quite; it was essentially a reconquista of Europe. Think of it like if America invaded Mexico and forced all non-whites to leave. That's more akin to what Hitler did. (Though to be fair, Austria already saw itself as German, and the Polish government hated Jews.)

Mass extermination is mostly war propaganda to inspire European brothers to slaughter one another.

Anyway, as to the topic.. If you're going to flee to a superior country, then you must assimilate and respect its laws. Otherwise you're just bringing your chitty culture with you.

Travis99
07-12-2018, 06:48 PM
If you would still even consider voting democrat you should be more concerned that you have caught whatever disease they have. I would schedule an MRI and full CBC.

Tamorlane
07-12-2018, 06:56 PM
it's the immigrants, lbgqt/feminists, technologists and intellectuals

vs.

the whites, the rednecks, capitalists and trumptards




Democrat values:

Raising wages, closing the wealth gap, strengthening Social Security
Lowering health care costs; ensuring all Americans have access to quality, affordable health care; stabilizing Medicare and Medicaid
Sensible immigration reform that keeps America's promise
Defending our borders, our ideals, and our institutions
Supporting our veterans and military families
Fixing our criminal justice system to eliminate systemic racism
Guaranteeing rights for minorities, people with disabilities, the LGBTQ community, and all Americans
Acting to advance women’s rights, protect access to reproductive care, fight for equal pay, stop violence against women, and elect more women to public office
Protecting and promoting every American's fundamental right to vote
Advancing clean energy and climate change action
Common-sense gun reforms
Smarter infrastructure investments
Advancing access to liberty and equality for all
Investing in modern education and jobs programs that prepare our kids for tomorrow's challenges

https://democrats.org/page/2682?source=homepage&_ga=2.216275606.1471304180.1531446214-241428362.1531446214

ODBM
07-12-2018, 07:06 PM
it's the immigrants, lbgqt/feminists, technologists and intellectuals

vs.

the whites, the rednecks, capitalists and trumptards
Sorry, but you don't get to claim intellectuals. The list is also horribly vague and at parts, misleading. I'll just tackle the first one, and then we can go from there.

Raising wages, closing the wealth gap, strengthening Social Security
Raising wages means instituting a higher minimum wage, which burdens small businesses in particular. You can't close the wealth gap because some people are better with money than others, and if you want to attack the super wealthy they're likely just going to leave the country. The best way to reduce poverty is to encourage hard work while discouraging degenerate behavior and criminality - and to especially discourage blaming one's failures on others. Strengthening social security sounds like an across-the-board tax increase, and would further discourage the aforementioned hard work necessary for reducing poverty.

Do you have a different interpretation of this goal? How would you raise wages? How would you close the wealth gap? In what ways would you strengthen social security, and how would you fund it?

redmelly
07-12-2018, 07:11 PM
If you would still even consider voting democrat you should be more concerned that you have caught whatever disease they have. I would schedule an MRI and full CBC.

Not considering it. I want to understand what the goals of democrats are and now I do. It boils down to a **** hole country with no morals or values and plenty of crime. No thanks.

redmelly
07-12-2018, 07:12 PM
Sorry, but you don't get to claim intellectuals. The list is also horribly vague and at parts, misleading. I'll just tackle the first one, and then we can go from there.

Raising wages, closing the wealth gap, strengthening Social Security
Raising wages means instituting a higher minimum wage, which burdens small businesses in particular. You can't close the wealth gap because some people are better with money than others, and if you want to attack the super wealthy they're likely just going to leave the country. The best way to reduce poverty is to encourage hard work while discouraging degenerate behavior and criminality - and to especially discourage blaming one's failures on others. Strengthening social security sounds like an across-the-board tax increase, and would further discourage the aforementioned hard work necessary for reducing poverty.

Do you have a different interpretation of this goal? How would you raise wages? How would you close the wealth gap? In what ways would you strengthen social security, and how would you fund it?

They don't get to claim technologists either. IT workers are spread across both parties -- plenty of them are conservative and vote Trump.

I find a lot of these ideals align with communism, like redistribution of wealth. I think they have more in common with Putin than Trump.

iabs
07-12-2018, 07:35 PM
it's the immigrants, lbgqt/feminists, technologists and intellectuals

vs.

the whites, the rednecks, capitalists and trumptards

Do you think most conservatives and moderates are not for all that pretty list of goals you just posted?

The real debate is how you go about achieving those goals.

For one, labeling people Trumptards and rednecks isn't working out for you.

Democrat values:

Raising wages, closing the wealth gap, strengthening Social Security
You don't raise wages by taxing the job creators. Close the wage gape through higher taxation? as in making everyone equally poor? hah...You don't strengthening social programs by squeezing the middle class through higher corporate taxes.

Lowering health care costs; ensuring all Americans have access to quality, affordable health care; stabilizing Medicare and Medicaid
Obamacare. That was your idea of better healthcare. Enough said.

Sensible immigration reform that keeps America's promise
Sensible as in amnesty for the millions of illegal immigrants already in the country? This is a slap on the face of every legal immigrant and law abiding citizen, plus it will open unprecedented chain migration that will change this country irreversibly forever.

Defending our borders, our ideals, and our institutions
Let me just laugh at this one. Defending borders when Democrat governors and mayors actively warn illegals of ICE raids and harbor illegal criminals, sanctuary cities, catch and release anyone?

Supporting our veterans and military families
Nice feel good line here, too bad it's an empty campaign slogan. Look at the state the VA was left in after Obama.

Fixing our criminal justice system to eliminate systemic racism
Systemic racism is a myth. The left is yet to provide evidence of such talking point. The truth of the matter is that 13% of the population commits most of the violent crime, statistics are racist.

Guaranteeing rights for minorities, people with disabilities, the LGBTQ community, and all Americans
What rights do minorities lack? If anything minorities are over represented in mainstream media and pop culture, have you heard of something called Affirmative Action??


Acting to advance women’s rights, protect access to reproductive care, fight for equal pay, stop violence against women, and elect more women to public office
Women already have equal rights. Access to abortion clinics you mean?. Gender wage gap has been debunked countless of times, I'd look into it if I were you. Who wouldn't want to stop violence against women?? wtf kind of political campaign is that in the 21th century USA?? Are women being systematically targeted in acts of violence??. Women that are QUALIFIED should have the same CONSIDERATION for public office as men, not a higher priority just because they have a vagina instead of testis and a penis.

Protecting and promoting every American's fundamental right to vote
Who can't vote??. This in other words is "let anyone that walks into a voting center vote without presenting a basic ID or proof of citizenship."

Advancing clean energy and climate change action
While squeezing American companies?

Common-sense gun reforms
In other words more limitations on use and sale of firearms by illogical reasons such as firearm furniture (makes it look more assault rifle-like), targeting the AR-15 and AK-47 when statistics show that this guns account for an almost nonexistent number of crimes and/or deaths. This is a whole debate in itself. My personal POV is the second amendment isn't up for debate and should be preserved as close to as the founding fathers intended. Instead we should focus on public education and eliminating negative stigma that's been perpetuated by mass media through decades of liberal propaganda.

Smarter infrastructure investments
Errrr....Trump already has proposed an infrastructure bill.

Advancing access to liberty and equality for all
Again more bullshiit victim mentality propaganda for those that will buy into that narrative

Investing in modern education and jobs programs that prepare our kids for tomorrow's challenges
Sure, we all want our kids to use the latest computer software in highs chool computer science class...;)

Tamorlane
07-12-2018, 07:42 PM
Sorry, but you don't get to claim intellectuals.

Yes they do, because science and technology are inherently democratic forces (knowledge and capability spread to the masses, equal playing field).



Raising wages means instituting a higher minimum wage, which burdens small businesses in particular.

Yes they do. It also goes against the premise that the agreement is mutual between the employer and employee on what the compensation for labor will be.

But prices for everything inflate outside of anyone's control.





You can't close the wealth gap because some people are better with money than others, and if you want to attack the super wealthy they're likely just going to leave the country.

The default is a few at the top with everything and the masses at the bottom. The middle class is a phenomenon unique to democracies. It gives more power and wealth to the people (masses). You can lessen the gap by implementing policies that favor the lower and middle classes, while not giving leniency to those already doing phenomenally well.

Corporations will leave the country, they couldn't care less about any of you and if they did that CEO would be fired and likely sued for misappropriation. Corporations have been taking wealth from within America and storing it in off-shore tax havens. That's akin to a Chinese family working here and sending all their money back home but on a massive scale.

This is to say nothing of how America is a completely dominated country by corporate power and lobbyists.



The best way to reduce poverty is to encourage hard work while discouraging degenerate behavior and criminality - and to especially discourage blaming one's failures on others.

Although I agree with these things they aren't really policies. You can't just hope people do hard work and not be criminals. You implement social programs, policies and charitable causes to reduce poverty and increase upward mobility. Education is a great way to reduce poverty.



Strengthening social security sounds like an across-the-board tax increase, and would further discourage the aforementioned hard work necessary for reducing poverty.


"Democrats are proud to be the party that created Social Security, one of the nation’s most successful and effective programs. Without Social Security, nearly half of America’s seniors would be living in poverty. Social Security is more than just a retirement program. It also provides important life insurance to young survivors of deceased workers and provides disability insurance protection. We will fight every effort to cut, privatize, or weaken Social Security, including attempts to raise the retirement age, diminish benefits by cutting cost-of-living adjustments, or reducing earned benefits. Democrats will expand Social Security so that every American can retire with dignity and respect, including women who are widowed or took time out of the workforce to care for their children, aging parents, or ailing family members. The Democratic Party recognizes that the way Social Security cost-of- living adjustments are calculated may not always reflect the spending patterns of seniors, particularly the disproportionate amount they spend on health care expenses. We are committed to exploring alternatives that could better and more equitably serve seniors.

We will make sure Social Security’s guaranteed benefits continue for generations to come by asking those at the top to pay more, and will achieve this goal by taxing some of the income of people above $250,000. The Democratic Party is also committed to providing all necessary financial support for the Social Security Administration so that it can provide timely benefits and high-quality service for those it serves. Our plan contrasts starkly with Donald Trump. He has referred to Social Security as a “Ponzi scheme” and has called for privatizing it as well as increasing the retirement age."

ODBM
07-12-2018, 08:12 PM
Yes they do, because science and technology are inherently democratic forces (knowledge and capability spread to the masses, equal playing field).
Science and technology are not based on democratic forces; you can't take a vote to determine whether something is correct or functional. Galileo was outvoted upon proposing the heliocentric model, but that didn't change the fact that he was correct. This is essentially diarrhea of the mouth on your part, but the bottom line is that each side has intellectuals. As to which side has more, I don't know and I don't feel that it's important; your political positions are either rooted in fact or demonstrable functionality, or they are not.


Yes they do. It also goes against the premise that the agreement is mutual between the employer and employee on what the compensation for labor will be.

But prices for everything inflate outside of anyone's control and if the government doesn't step there is often very low wages due to competition among applicants.
This nation was founded on the idea that its government should intervene as little as possible in the personal affairs of its people. Government dictating what wages will be is entirely antithetical to the spirit of the United States of America. Furthermore, stifling business owners and potential employees in this way only protects large corporations - which the left already claims to dislike - by eliminating competition. If people do not like the wage being offered, then they can find employment elsewhere. This principle works best when there are more positions available than there are laborers, which is why it's baffling that the left wants to import so many foreigners. If there are 100 jobs and 80 people, then the 80 jobs that people choose will need some sort of edge over the 20 which were not selected (e.g. higher wages, more vacation time, better insurance plan, more flexible hours, etc.).

This all might sound complicated, but the bottom line is you can't fix poverty by oppressing business owners.


The default is a few at the top with everything and the masses at the bottom. The middle class is a phenomenon unique to democracies. It gives more power and wealth to the people (masses). You can lessen the gap by implementing policies that favor the lower and middle classes, while not giving leniency to those already doing phenomenally well.
First, I don't disagree with any of this. But you need to be specific regarding what you would plan to implement. Further, you must understand that no amount of policies or programs can force stupid people to manage their money better. My personal preference for how to help balance this out (notice I said help, because you can't force equal financial status) is that every high school in this nation should have a mandatory finance management course. I'd also like to see a firearms familiarity and safety course, but that's another topic.


Corporations will leave the country, they couldn't care less about any of you and if they did that CEO would be fired and likely sued for misappropriation. Corporations have been taking wealth from within America and storing it in off-shore tax havens. That's akin to a Chinese family working here and sending all their money back home but on a massive scale.

This is to say nothing of how America is a completely dominated country by corporate power and lobbyists.
Everyone knows this, which is why targeting the wealthy with massively high taxes is not going to work - assuming that is the policy proposal. It may or may not be.


Although I agree with these things they aren't really policies. You can't just hope people do hard work and not be criminals. You implement social programs, policies and charitable causes to reduce poverty and increase upward mobility. Education is a great way to reduce poverty.
We already spend a fuk ton of money on "programs" and on public education. My policy to address this would be to further reward stable marriages while not subsidizing single motherhood, which is what we currently do. I would also propose a near-military effort to reign in the level of gang activity present particularly in urban areas, and better utilize the time of inmates. As an example, inmates who are serving sentences shorter than X number of years (let's say less than 10, for example) could be trained in a variety of trades such as plumbing, welding, heating and cooling repair, auto maintenance, etc. You don't need to push these people through a university; you need to set them up to be productive when they come out of the slammer. Of course this would be quite expensive to finance, and I would suggest massive cuts to most forms of welfare to fund it. Over time the problem would fix itself, and we should see an increase in the number of nuclear families, a promotion of the spirit of hard work, a reduction in drug dealing (because honest labor is more realistic now and less risky), and a massive upward shift in the wealth of those currently impoverished.

AdamSMW
07-13-2018, 01:35 AM
Do you think most conservatives and moderates are not for all that pretty list of goals you just posted?

The real debate is how you go about achieving those goals.

For one, labeling people Trumptards and rednecks isn't working out for you.

Democrat values:

Raising wages, closing the wealth gap, strengthening Social Security
You don't raise wages by taxing the job creators. Close the wage gape through higher taxation? as in making everyone equally poor? hah...You don't strengthening social programs by squeezing the middle class through higher corporate taxes.

Lowering health care costs; ensuring all Americans have access to quality, affordable health care; stabilizing Medicare and Medicaid
Obamacare. That was your idea of better healthcare. Enough said.

Sensible immigration reform that keeps America's promise
Sensible as in amnesty for the millions of illegal immigrants already in the country? This is a slap on the face of every legal immigrant and law abiding citizen, plus it will open unprecedented chain migration that will change this country irreversibly forever.

Defending our borders, our ideals, and our institutions
Let me just laugh at this one. Defending borders when Democrat governors and mayors actively warn illegals of ICE raids and harbor illegal criminals, sanctuary cities, catch and release anyone?

Supporting our veterans and military families
Nice feel good line here, too bad it's an empty campaign slogan. Look at the state the VA was left in after Obama.

Fixing our criminal justice system to eliminate systemic racism
Systemic racism is a myth. The left is yet to provide evidence of such talking point. The truth of the matter is that 13% of the population commits most of the violent crime, statistics are racist.

Guaranteeing rights for minorities, people with disabilities, the LGBTQ community, and all Americans
What rights do minorities lack? If anything minorities are over represented in mainstream media and pop culture, have you heard of something called Affirmative Action??


Acting to advance women’s rights, protect access to reproductive care, fight for equal pay, stop violence against women, and elect more women to public office
Women already have equal rights. Access to abortion clinics you mean?. Gender wage gap has been debunked countless of times, I'd look into it if I were you. Who wouldn't want to stop violence against women?? wtf kind of political campaign is that in the 21th century USA?? Are women being systematically targeted in acts of violence??. Women that are QUALIFIED should have the same CONSIDERATION for public office as men, not a higher priority just because they have a vagina instead of testis and a penis.

Protecting and promoting every American's fundamental right to vote
Who can't vote??. This in other words is "let anyone that walks into a voting center vote without presenting a basic ID or proof of citizenship."

Advancing clean energy and climate change action
While squeezing American companies?

Common-sense gun reforms
In other words more limitations on use and sale of firearms by illogical reasons such as firearm furniture (makes it look more assault rifle-like), targeting the AR-15 and AK-47 when statistics show that this guns account for an almost nonexistent number of crimes and/or deaths. This is a whole debate in itself. My personal POV is the second amendment isn't up for debate and should be preserved as close to as the founding fathers intended. Instead we should focus on public education and eliminating negative stigma that's been perpetuated by mass media through decades of liberal propaganda.

Smarter infrastructure investments
Errrr....Trump already has proposed an infrastructure bill.

Advancing access to liberty and equality for all
Again more bullshiit victim mentality propaganda for those that will buy into that narrative

Investing in modern education and jobs programs that prepare our kids for tomorrow's challenges
Sure, we all want our kids to use the latest computer software in highs chool computer science class...;)

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