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BlackJack619
07-07-2018, 08:10 AM
A Christian is someone who is Christ like, and Catholics are not Christ like, they sometimes even do the opposite of Christ.

Religon will not save you...

Kwace
07-07-2018, 08:14 AM
I was raised catholic

One thing I learned is thatall you religious folk are nutz

And catholics are Christians

BlackJack619
07-07-2018, 08:19 AM
I was raised catholic

One thing I learned is thatall you religious folk are nutz

And catholics are Christiansi was raised Catholic too, and I know the Catholic Church goes against what is taught in the Bible, that's probably why reading the bible wasn't encourage.

BlackJack619
07-07-2018, 08:20 AM
Where in the bible does it say to confess your sins to a priest and recite hale marrys to be saved?

Vito-C
07-07-2018, 08:40 AM
Never go full retard son.

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MiscInformed
07-07-2018, 08:53 AM
Where in the bible does it say to confess your sins to a priest and recite hale marrys to be saved?

http://www.catholicfaithandreason.org/confession-of-sins---how-biblical-is-it.html

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 09:33 AM
Never go full retard son.

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Never go full apostasy, fratribus.

PlanoLifter
07-07-2018, 09:34 AM
A Christian is someone who is Christ like, and Catholics are not Christ like, they sometimes even do the opposite of Christ.

Religon will not save you...


Who needs saving? And what do they need saving from?

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 09:42 AM
"Through relentless torture, starvation, genocide, massacres, burning at the stake, against every conceivable fury of [Papal] Rome, they [i.e., the ‘seeds of protest’] could not be extinguished. History estimates that over one hundred million people lost their lives during that time of [Papal] Roman tyranny. Is it any wonder that God graphically describes this onslaught of [Papal] Rome as her being ‘drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus’, and calls her the ‘Beast’?

…For the unbiased researcher, history reeks of the butchery of Romanism, where whole cities and populations were unmercifully wiped out, just because they worshipped God in a manner that was different from Roman Catholicism. John Daniel, The Grand Design Exposed (CHJ Publishing, 1999): 27, 78:

Charles A. Bolton (Ex-Roman Catholic priest):

"What has turned my soul against Roman abuse of power is the way in which it has tortured and burned such saints of God as Joan of Arc, hundreds of the Albigensian martyrs in France in the 12th century, the Knights Templar, John Huss [Czech Jan Hus], the Dominican Savonarola, the Dominican Giordano Bruno, [and] the Anglican bishops Cranmer, Ridley, and Latimer. The Inquisition has promoted at least two wholesale massacres: [hundreds of] thousands of Protestant Waldensians in northern Italy, and thousands of Protestant Huguenots by the massacre of St. Bartholomew in France. More than 30,000 of the most cultured Protestants of France were put to the sword on the night of St. Bartholomew, August 24, 1572. At the news [of this brutal, bloody massacre], the Pope had cannons fired, proclaimed a jubilee, ordered a Te Deum of thanksgiving to be sung, and struck a special medal to commemorate the glorious ‘victory’."

"Bertrand, the Papal Legate, wrote a letter to Pope Honorius, desiring to be recalled from the croisade against the primitive witnesses and contenders for the faith. In that authentic document, he stated, that within fifteen years, 300,000 of those crossed soldiers had become victims to their own fanatical and blind fury. Their unrelenting and insatiable thirst for Christian and human blood spared none within the reach of their impetuous despotism and unrestricted usurpations. On the river Garonne, a conflict occurred between the croisaders, with their ecclesiastical leaders, the Prelates of Thoulouse and Comminges; who solemnly promised to all their vassals the full pardon of sin, and the possession of heaven immediately, if they were slain in the battle. The Spanish monarch and his confederates acknowledged that they must have lost 400,000 men, in that tremendous conflict, and immediately after it-but the Papists boasted, that including the women and children, they had massacred more than two millions of the human family, in that solitary croisade against the southwest part of France." (Bourne, George, The American Textbook of Popery, Griffith & Simon, Philadelphia, 1846, pp. 402-403)

"The Catholic crusade against the Albigenses in Southern France (from 1209-1229), under Popes Innocent III., Honorius III. and Gregory IX., was one of the bloodiest tragedies in human history ... The number of Albigenses that perished in the twenty years war is estimated at from one to two millions." (Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XIV)

"Need I speak to you of the thirty years war in Germany, which was mainly instigated by the Jesuits, in order to deprive the Protestants of the right of free religious worship, secured to them by the treaty of Augsburg? Or of the Irish rebellion, of the inhuman butchery of about fifteen millions of Indians in South America, Mexico and Cuba, by the Spanish papists? In short, it is calculated by authentic historians, that papal Rome has shed the blood of sixty-eight millions of the human race in order to establish her unfounded claims to religious dominion." (The Glorious Reformation by S. S. SCHMUCKER, 1838 -- citing Dr. Brownlee's 'Popery an enemy to civil liberty', p. 105)

"This was the century of the last religious wars in Christendom, the Thirty Years War in Germany, fomented by the Jesuits, reducing the people to cannibalism, and the population of Bohemia from 4,000,000 to 780,000, and of Germany from 20,000,000 to 7,000,000, and making Southern Germany almost a desert." (Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII)

"In one word, the church of Rome has spent immense treasures and shed, in murder, the blood of sixty eight millions and five hundred thousand of the human race, to establish before the astonished and disgusted world, her fixed determination to annihilate every claim set up by the human family to liberty, and the right of unbounded freedom of conscience." (W C Brownlee, Popery an enemy to civil liberty, 1836, pp. 104-105)

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 09:44 AM
Who needs saving? And what do they need saving from?

Isaiah 64:6, NIV
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

LukeLissen
07-07-2018, 09:46 AM
I was raised catholic

One thing I learned is thatall you religious folk are nutz

And catholics are Christians

We might be nutz to you, but at least we get to be nutz for eternity.

You only get to be whatever you are for 10-90 years and then you perish.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 09:51 AM
We might be nutz to you, but at least we get to be nutz for eternity.

You only get to be whatever you are for 10-90 years and then you perish.

Poverbs 25:14
Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

PeaceWithin
07-07-2018, 09:53 AM
Where in the bible does it say to confess your sins to a priest and recite hale marrys to be saved?

Strong misunderstanding of Catholic practice. Lol. On mobile but subbing for later

MiscInformed
07-07-2018, 09:55 AM
"Through relentless torture, starvation, genocide, massacres, burning at the stake, against every conceivable fury of [Papal] Rome, they [i.e., the ‘seeds of protest’] could not be extinguished. History estimates that over one hundred million people lost their lives during that time of [Papal] Roman tyranny. Is it any wonder that God graphically describes this onslaught of [Papal] Rome as her being ‘drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus’, and calls her the ‘Beast’?

…For the unbiased researcher, history reeks of the butchery of Romanism, where whole cities and populations were unmercifully wiped out, just because they worshipped God in a manner that was different from Roman Catholicism. John Daniel, The Grand Design Exposed (CHJ Publishing, 1999): 27, 78:

Charles A. Bolton (Ex-Roman Catholic priest):

"What has turned my soul against Roman abuse of power is the way in which it has tortured and burned such saints of God as Joan of Arc, hundreds of the Albigensian martyrs in France in the 12th century, the Knights Templar, John Huss [Czech Jan Hus], the Dominican Savonarola, the Dominican Giordano Bruno, [and] the Anglican bishops Cranmer, Ridley, and Latimer. The Inquisition has promoted at least two wholesale massacres: [hundreds of] thousands of Protestant Waldensians in northern Italy, and thousands of Protestant Huguenots by the massacre of St. Bartholomew in France. More than 30,000 of the most cultured Protestants of France were put to the sword on the night of St. Bartholomew, August 24, 1572. At the news [of this brutal, bloody massacre], the Pope had cannons fired, proclaimed a jubilee, ordered a Te Deum of thanksgiving to be sung, and struck a special medal to commemorate the glorious ‘victory’."

"Bertrand, the Papal Legate, wrote a letter to Pope Honorius, desiring to be recalled from the croisade against the primitive witnesses and contenders for the faith. In that authentic document, he stated, that within fifteen years, 300,000 of those crossed soldiers had become victims to their own fanatical and blind fury. Their unrelenting and insatiable thirst for Christian and human blood spared none within the reach of their impetuous despotism and unrestricted usurpations. On the river Garonne, a conflict occurred between the croisaders, with their ecclesiastical leaders, the Prelates of Thoulouse and Comminges; who solemnly promised to all their vassals the full pardon of sin, and the possession of heaven immediately, if they were slain in the battle. The Spanish monarch and his confederates acknowledged that they must have lost 400,000 men, in that tremendous conflict, and immediately after it-but the Papists boasted, that including the women and children, they had massacred more than two millions of the human family, in that solitary croisade against the southwest part of France." (Bourne, George, The American Textbook of Popery, Griffith & Simon, Philadelphia, 1846, pp. 402-403)

"The Catholic crusade against the Albigenses in Southern France (from 1209-1229), under Popes Innocent III., Honorius III. and Gregory IX., was one of the bloodiest tragedies in human history ... The number of Albigenses that perished in the twenty years war is estimated at from one to two millions." (Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XIV)

"Need I speak to you of the thirty years war in Germany, which was mainly instigated by the Jesuits, in order to deprive the Protestants of the right of free religious worship, secured to them by the treaty of Augsburg? Or of the Irish rebellion, of the inhuman butchery of about fifteen millions of Indians in South America, Mexico and Cuba, by the Spanish papists? In short, it is calculated by authentic historians, that papal Rome has shed the blood of sixty-eight millions of the human race in order to establish her unfounded claims to religious dominion." (The Glorious Reformation by S. S. SCHMUCKER, 1838 -- citing Dr. Brownlee's 'Popery an enemy to civil liberty', p. 105)

"This was the century of the last religious wars in Christendom, the Thirty Years War in Germany, fomented by the Jesuits, reducing the people to cannibalism, and the population of Bohemia from 4,000,000 to 780,000, and of Germany from 20,000,000 to 7,000,000, and making Southern Germany almost a desert." (Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII)

"In one word, the church of Rome has spent immense treasures and shed, in murder, the blood of sixty eight millions and five hundred thousand of the human race, to establish before the astonished and disgusted world, her fixed determination to annihilate every claim set up by the human family to liberty, and the right of unbounded freedom of conscience." (W C Brownlee, Popery an enemy to civil liberty, 1836, pp. 104-105)

anti-Catholic propaganda from anti-Catholic fanatics.

BlackJack619
07-07-2018, 10:02 AM
Strong misunderstanding of Catholic practice. Lol. On mobile but subbing for latermabe but I know Jesus says don't call anyone father, but our Heavenly Father, and I know Catholics are taught to call their priest Father.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 10:02 AM
anti-Catholic propaganda from anti-Catholic fanatics.

"And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus." (Revelation 17:6)

The following are just a few examples of Papal crimes:

1209 - The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France on July 22, 1209. Both Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their crusade, almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated (reference Link 1 and Link 2).

1236 - Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France in a severe wave of persecution (reference Link 1 and Link 2).

1481 - - At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities torture, burn and slaughter tens, even hundreds of thousands of people during the Spanish Inquisition (Jean Antoine Llorentine, History of the Inquistion; as cited in R.W. Thompson, The Papacy and the Civil Power (New York, 1876); as cited in Dave Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast).

1540 - 1570 - Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period (source: Halley's Bible Handbook).

1553 - 1558 - Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka bloody Mary) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, nearly 300 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders (Link).

1572 - St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside (Link).

1618 - 1648 - The Thirty Years War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population (see Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII).

1641 - 1649 - Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of hundreds of thousands of Protestants (see Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII).

1685 - French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.

1941 - 1945 - The Roman Catholic Ustashi in Yugoslavia butchered Hundreds of thousands of Yugoslav citizens, Serbs, jews, and Roma. And Hundreds of thousands were forced to convert to Catholicism. (link, link, link)

1949 - 1953 - With the support from the Columbian government, the Roman Catholic Church had 60,000 Protestants and non-Catholics shot, drowned and emasculated. Pope Pius XII awarded the Columbian President with one of the highest awards the church can give.

http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/secret-history-catholic-church.html

"There perished under pope Julian 200,000 Christians: and by the French massacre, on a moderate calculation, in 3 months, 100,000. Of the Waldenses there perished 150,000; of the Albigenses, 150,000. There perished by the Jesuits in 30 years only 900,000. The Duke of Alva destroyed by the common hangman alone, 36,000 persons; the amount murdered by him is set down by Grotius at 100,000! There perished by the fire, and tortures of the Inquisition in Spain, Italy, and France 150,000 ... In the Irish massacres there perished 150,000 Protestants! To sum up the whole, the Roman Catholic church has caused the ruin, and destruction of a million and a half of Moors in Spain; nearly two millions of Jews, in Europe! In Mexico, and , including the islands of Cuba and St. Domingo, fifteen millions of Indians, in 40 years, fell victims to popery. And in Europe, and the East Indies, and in America, 50 millions of Protestants, at least, have been murdered by it! Thus the church of Rome stands before the world, 'the woman in scarlet, on the scarlet colored Beast.' A church claiming to be Christian, drenched in the blood of sixty-eight millions, and five hundred thousand human beings!" (W. C. Brownlee, Letters in the Roman Catholic controversy, 1834, pp. 347-348)

"Alexander Campbell, well known religions leader of the nineteenth century, stated in debate with John B. Purcell, Bishop of Cincinnati, in 1837 that the records of historians and martyrologists show that it may be reasonable to estimate that from fifty to sixty-eight millions of human beings died, suffered torture, lost their possessions, or were otherwise devoured by the Roman Catholic Church during the awful years of the Inquisition. Bishop Purcell made little effort to refute these figures." (Citing A Debate on the Roman Catholic Religion, Christian Publishing Co., 1837, p. 327.) ... (The Shadow of Rome, by John B. Wilder; Zondervan Publishing Co., 1960, page 87)

"Let us keep a sense of proportion. The record of 'Christianity' [Roman Catholic] from the days when it first obtained the power to persecute is one of the most ghastly in history. The total number of Manichaeans, Arians, Priscillianists, Paulicians, Bogomiles, Cathari, Waldensians, Albigensians, witches, Lollards, Hussites, Jews, and Protestants killed because of their rebellion against Rome clearly runs to many millions; and beyond these actual executions or massacres is the enormously larger number of those who were tortured, imprisoned, or beggared. I am concerned rather with the positive historical aspect of this. In almost every century a large part of the race has endeavored to reject the Christian religion, and, if in those centuries there had been the same freedom as we enjoy, Roman Catholicism would, in spite of the universal ignorance, have shrunk long ago into a sect. The religious history of Europe has never yet been written." (The Story Of Religious Controversy Chapter XXIII by Joseph McCabe (an atheist) who lived from 1867 to 1955)

"The whole number of victims who have been offered up in Europe since the beginning of the Reformation? Partly by war, partly by the Inquisition, and a thousand other methods of Romish cruelty? No less within forty years, if the computation of an eminent writer be just, than five and forty millions!" (John Wesley, 'Doctrine of Original Sin', Part I, section II.8, 1757, Wesley's Works, edited by Thomas Jackson, vol. 9, pp. 217-19)

"The inquisition, which was established in the twelfth century against the Waldenses ... was now more effectually set to work. Terrible persecutions were carried on in various parts of Germany, and even in Bohemia, which continued about thirty years, and the blood of the saints was said to flow like rivers of water. The countries of Poland, Lithuania, and Hungary, were in a similar manner deluged with Protestant blood." (Buck, Charles, A Theological Dictionary, containing Definitions of All Religious Terms; ..., Philadelphia, Thomas Cowperthwait & Co., 1838, article 'Persecution')

"In Bohemia, by 1600, in a population of 4,000,000, 80 per cent were Protestant. When the Hapsburgs and Jesuits had done their work, 800,000 were left, all Catholics ... In Austria and Hungary half the population Protestant, but under the Hapsburgs and Jesuits they were slaughtered ... In Poland, by the end of the 16th century, it seemed as if Romanism was about to be entirely swept away, but here too, the Jesuits, by persecution, killed Reform. In Italy, the Pope's own country, the Reformation was getting a real hold; but the Inquisition got busy, and hardly a trace of Protestantism was left." (Halley's Bible Handbook, p.798)

"The Horrors of the Inquisition, ordered and maintained by the Popes, over a period of 500 years, in which unnumbered millions were Tortured and Burned, constitute the MOST BRUTAL, BEASTLY, and DEVILISH PICTURE in all history." (Halley's Bible Handbook, p.732)

Daniel 7:25
"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws"

MiscInformed
07-07-2018, 10:10 AM
"And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus." (Revelation 17:6)

The following are just a few examples of Papal crimes:

1209 - The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France on July 22, 1209. Both Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their crusade, almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated (reference Link 1 and Link 2).

1236 - Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France in a severe wave of persecution (reference Link 1 and Link 2).

1481 - - At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities torture, burn and slaughter tens, even hundreds of thousands of people during the Spanish Inquisition (Jean Antoine Llorentine, History of the Inquistion; as cited in R.W. Thompson, The Papacy and the Civil Power (New York, 1876); as cited in Dave Hunt, A Woman Rides the Beast).

1540 - 1570 - Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period (source: Halley's Bible Handbook).

1553 - 1558 - Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka bloody Mary) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, nearly 300 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders (Link).

1572 - St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside (Link).

1618 - 1648 - The Thirty Years War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population (see Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII).

1641 - 1649 - Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of hundreds of thousands of Protestants (see Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII).

1685 - French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.

1941 - 1945 - The Roman Catholic Ustashi in Yugoslavia butchered Hundreds of thousands of Yugoslav citizens, Serbs, jews, and Roma. And Hundreds of thousands were forced to convert to Catholicism. (link, link, link)

1949 - 1953 - With the support from the Columbian government, the Roman Catholic Church had 60,000 Protestants and non-Catholics shot, drowned and emasculated. Pope Pius XII awarded the Columbian President with one of the highest awards the church can give.

http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/secret-history-catholic-church.html

"There perished under pope Julian 200,000 Christians: and by the French massacre, on a moderate calculation, in 3 months, 100,000. Of the Waldenses there perished 150,000; of the Albigenses, 150,000. There perished by the Jesuits in 30 years only 900,000. The Duke of Alva destroyed by the common hangman alone, 36,000 persons; the amount murdered by him is set down by Grotius at 100,000! There perished by the fire, and tortures of the Inquisition in Spain, Italy, and France 150,000 ... In the Irish massacres there perished 150,000 Protestants! To sum up the whole, the Roman Catholic church has caused the ruin, and destruction of a million and a half of Moors in Spain; nearly two millions of Jews, in Europe! In Mexico, and , including the islands of Cuba and St. Domingo, fifteen millions of Indians, in 40 years, fell victims to popery. And in Europe, and the East Indies, and in America, 50 millions of Protestants, at least, have been murdered by it! Thus the church of Rome stands before the world, 'the woman in scarlet, on the scarlet colored Beast.' A church claiming to be Christian, drenched in the blood of sixty-eight millions, and five hundred thousand human beings!" (W. C. Brownlee, Letters in the Roman Catholic controversy, 1834, pp. 347-348)

"Alexander Campbell, well known religions leader of the nineteenth century, stated in debate with John B. Purcell, Bishop of Cincinnati, in 1837 that the records of historians and martyrologists show that it may be reasonable to estimate that from fifty to sixty-eight millions of human beings died, suffered torture, lost their possessions, or were otherwise devoured by the Roman Catholic Church during the awful years of the Inquisition. Bishop Purcell made little effort to refute these figures." (Citing A Debate on the Roman Catholic Religion, Christian Publishing Co., 1837, p. 327.) ... (The Shadow of Rome, by John B. Wilder; Zondervan Publishing Co., 1960, page 87)

"Let us keep a sense of proportion. The record of 'Christianity' [Roman Catholic] from the days when it first obtained the power to persecute is one of the most ghastly in history. The total number of Manichaeans, Arians, Priscillianists, Paulicians, Bogomiles, Cathari, Waldensians, Albigensians, witches, Lollards, Hussites, Jews, and Protestants killed because of their rebellion against Rome clearly runs to many millions; and beyond these actual executions or massacres is the enormously larger number of those who were tortured, imprisoned, or beggared. I am concerned rather with the positive historical aspect of this. In almost every century a large part of the race has endeavored to reject the Christian religion, and, if in those centuries there had been the same freedom as we enjoy, Roman Catholicism would, in spite of the universal ignorance, have shrunk long ago into a sect. The religious history of Europe has never yet been written." (The Story Of Religious Controversy Chapter XXIII by Joseph McCabe (an atheist) who lived from 1867 to 1955)

"The whole number of victims who have been offered up in Europe since the beginning of the Reformation? Partly by war, partly by the Inquisition, and a thousand other methods of Romish cruelty? No less within forty years, if the computation of an eminent writer be just, than five and forty millions!" (John Wesley, 'Doctrine of Original Sin', Part I, section II.8, 1757, Wesley's Works, edited by Thomas Jackson, vol. 9, pp. 217-19)

"The inquisition, which was established in the twelfth century against the Waldenses ... was now more effectually set to work. Terrible persecutions were carried on in various parts of Germany, and even in Bohemia, which continued about thirty years, and the blood of the saints was said to flow like rivers of water. The countries of Poland, Lithuania, and Hungary, were in a similar manner deluged with Protestant blood." (Buck, Charles, A Theological Dictionary, containing Definitions of All Religious Terms; ..., Philadelphia, Thomas Cowperthwait & Co., 1838, article 'Persecution')

"In Bohemia, by 1600, in a population of 4,000,000, 80 per cent were Protestant. When the Hapsburgs and Jesuits had done their work, 800,000 were left, all Catholics ... In Austria and Hungary half the population Protestant, but under the Hapsburgs and Jesuits they were slaughtered ... In Poland, by the end of the 16th century, it seemed as if Romanism was about to be entirely swept away, but here too, the Jesuits, by persecution, killed Reform. In Italy, the Pope's own country, the Reformation was getting a real hold; but the Inquisition got busy, and hardly a trace of Protestantism was left." (Halley's Bible Handbook, p.798)

"The Horrors of the Inquisition, ordered and maintained by the Popes, over a period of 500 years, in which unnumbered millions were Tortured and Burned, constitute the MOST BRUTAL, BEASTLY, and DEVILISH PICTURE in all history." (Halley's Bible Handbook, p.732)

Daniel 7:25
"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws"

So many falsehoods presented as facts... so many fundamental misrepresentations of history.

If a Catholic king sends an army to attack an enemy (or defend itself against invasion), it does NOT mean that he's doing so by directive of the Pope, nor does it make his army a Catholic army, nor does mean that the conflict was religious in nature. The wars in Europe after the heresy known as the Protestant Reformation were about power and wealth. The fact that some countries were "Catholic" and others were "Protestant" is incidental to the actual motivations.

PlanoLifter
07-07-2018, 10:13 AM
mabe but I know Jesus says don't call anyone father, but our Heavenly Father, and I know Catholics are taught to call their priest Father.

I know many Christians (non Catholic) who refer to their male parent as father. Does this mean, that in your mind, these people are not real Christians too?

Tamorlane
07-07-2018, 10:14 AM
A Christian is someone who is Christ like, and Catholics are not Christ like, they sometimes even do the opposite of Christ.

Religon will not save you...

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.299 billion members worldwide.[4] As one of the oldest religious institutions in the world, it has played a prominent role in the history and development of Western civilisation.[5] The church is Headed by the Bishop of Rome, who is known as the Pope. The church's doctrines are summarised in the Nicene Creed. Its central administration, the Holy See, is in the Vatican City, an enclave within Rome, Italy.

The Catholic Church teaches that it is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ,[6][7][note 1] that its bishops are the successors of Christ's apostles, and that the Pope is the successor to Saint Peter to whom primacy was conferred by Jesus Christ.[10] It maintains that it practises the original Christian faith, reserving infallibility, passed down by sacred tradition.[11] The Latin Church, the Eastern Catholic Churches, and institutes such as mendicant orders and enclosed monastic orders reflect a variety of theological and spiritual emphases in the church.[12][13]

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2018/06/13/0440/00957.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church#cite_note-Annuario-4

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 10:18 AM
"But is it the intention of the pope to possess this country? Undoubtedly. In this intention is he aided by the Jesuits and all the Catholic prelates and priests? Undoubtedly, if they are faithful to their religion." Catholic Professor Orestes Brownson, Brownson’s Review (January, 1854)

"Fascism is the regime that corresponds most closely to the concepts of the Church of Rome."
Civilta Cattolica (House organ of the Jesuits):

We do not accept it [i.e., the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America], or hold it to be any government at all…If the American Republic is to be sustained and preserved at all, it must be by the rejection of the principle of the [Protestant] Reformation, and the acceptance of the Catholic principle..."
Catholic World (August 1871)

"During a sermon in 1850, [Roman Catholic] Archbishop John Hughes of New York, the nation’s leading Vatican spokesman, acknowledged that a conspiracy to subjugate free America did exist after all. The Catholic press was ecstatic. An excerpt from ‘Shepherd of the Valley’, the official journal of the [Roman Catholic] Bishop of St. Louis, declared, ‘If Catholics ever gain a sufficient numerical majority in this country, religious freedom is at an end. So our enemies say, so we believe.’ [Catholic Archbishop] Hughes’ own paper, the ‘New York Freeman’ brazenly announced, ‘No man has a right to choose his religion.’"
Dr. William P. Grady

"Those bloody and anti-social laws of Rome, after having covered Europe with ruins, tears and blood, for ten centuries, have crossed the oceans to continue their work of slavery and desolation, blood and tears, ignorance and demoralization, on this continent. Under the mask and name of Democracy, they have raised the standard of rebellion of the South against the North, and caused more than a half million of the most heroic sons of America to fall on the fields of carnage.

In a very near future, if God does not miraculously prevent it, those laws of dark deeds and blood will cause the prosperity, the rights, the education, and the liberties of this too confident nation, to be buried under a mountain of smoking and bloody ruins. On the top of that mountain, Rome will raise her throne and plant her victorious banners.

Then she will sing her Te Deums and shout her shouts of joy, as she did, when she heard the lamentations and cries of desolation of the millions of martyrs burning in the five thousand auto-da-fes she had raised in all the capitals and great cities of Europe." Charles Chiniquy, a Catholic priest who turned to Protestantism

"Because modern Protestants have not only forgotten what Rome was, what she is, and what she will for ever be; the most irreconcilable and powerful enemy of the Gospel of Christ; but they consider her almost as a branch of the church whose corner stone is Christ."~ Chas. Chiniquy- Fifty Years in the Church of Rome.

We will never forget that our forefathers, the first inhabitants of the American land, were compelled to leave their native country, to come to bury themselves in unknown and far-distant wildernesses to escape your [Jesuit] tyranny and cruelty. ~Jesuitism Unvailed (Americans Warned About Jesuitism) by Claude Pirat; 1851 AD

Loyola himself once said:

"Finally, Let all with such artfulness gain the ascendant over princes, noblemen, and the magistrates of every place, that they may be ready at our beck, even to sacrifice their nearest relations and most intimate friends, when we say it is for our interest and advantage."

Michaelangelo Tamburini, General of the Jesuits, said to the Duke of Brancas in 1720 “See, my lord, from this room, I govern not only Paris, but China: not only China, but the whole world, without anyone knowing how `tis managed."

"At what then do the Jesuits aim? According to them, they only seek the greater glory of God; but if you examine the facts you will find that they aim at universal dominion alone. They have rendered themselves indispensable to the Pope, who, without them, could not exist, because Catholicism is identified with them. They have rendered themselves indispensable to governors and hold revolutions in their hands; and in this way, either under one name or another, it is they who rule the world." -19th-century theologian Luigi De Sanctis

"The author undertakes to show – that a conspiracy against the liberties of this Republic is now in full action, under the direction of the wily Prince Metternich of Austria, who knowing the impossibility of obliterating this troublesome example of a great and free nation by force of arms, is attempting to accomplish his object through the agency of an army of Jesuits. The array of facts and arguments going to prove the existence of such a conspiracy, will astonish any man who opens the book with the same incredulity as we did." -Samuel Morse, the father of Morse Code, author of 'Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States'

"Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gypsies can assume, dressed as painters, publishers, writers and schoolmasters? If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell it is this Society of Loyola’s." -John Adams to President Jefferson, 1816
Jefferson's reply: "Like you, I object to the Jesuit's reestablishment which makes light give way to darkness."

"The Protestants of both the North and South would surely unite to exterminate the priests and the Jesuits, if they could learn how the priests, the nuns, and the monks, which daily land on our shores, under the pretext of preaching their religion...are nothing else but the emissaries of the Pope, of Napoleon III, and the other despots of Europe, to undermine our institutions, alienate the hearts of our people from our constitution, and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of anarchy here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever there are any people who want to be free." -President Abraham Lincoln

"The Jesuits are a MILITARY organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power - power in its most despotic exercise - absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms - and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses." -Napoleon Bonaparte

"It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country the United States of America are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated most of the wars of Europe." -The French General Marquis de Lafayette

“We are determined . . . to take possession of the United States, and rule them; but we cannot do that without acting secretly and with utmost wisdom. If our plans become known, they will surely be defeated.” — Charles Chiniquy, Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, The Wickliffe Press, Protestant truth Society, Wickliffe Avenue, 104 Hendon Lane, Finchley, London, N3, 1885, p. 373.

“How sad will their awakening be, when, with our out-numbering votes, we will turn them, for ever, from every position of honor, power and profit! What will those hypocritical and godless sons and daughters of the fanatical Pilgrim Fathers say, when not a single judge, not a single teacher, not a single policeman will be elected if he be not a devoted . . . Roman Catholic? What will those so-called giants think of their matchless shrewdness and ability, when not a single Senator or member of Congress will be chosen, if he be not submitted to our holy father the Pope? What a sad figure those Protestant Yankees will cut when we will not only elect the President, but fill and command the armies, man the navies, and hold the keys of the public treasury?
“Then, yes! then, we will rule the United States, and lay them at the feet of the Vicar of Jesus Christ [the pope], that he may put an end to their godless system of education, and sweep away those impious laws of liberty of conscience which are an insult to God and man!
“. . . The American people must be very blind indeed, if they do not see that if they do nothing to prevent it, the day is very near when the Jesuits will rule their country, from the magnificent White House at Washington, to the humblest civil and military department of this vast Republic.” — ibid, p. 374.

jamalfudge
07-07-2018, 10:21 AM
Look up what happens to nuns and the babies they have to rapist priests. It's disgusting.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 10:29 AM
The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the largest Christian church, with more than 1.299 billion members worldwide.[4] As one of the oldest religious institutions in the world, it has played a prominent role in the history and development of Western civilisation.[5] The church is Headed by the Bishop of Rome, who is known as the Pope. The church's doctrines are summarised in the Nicene Creed. Its central administration, the Holy See, is in the Vatican City, an enclave within Rome, Italy.

The Catholic Church teaches that it is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ,[6][7][note 1] that its bishops are the successors of Christ's apostles, and that the Pope is the successor to Saint Peter to whom primacy was conferred by Jesus Christ.[10] It maintains that it practises the original Christian faith, reserving infallibility, passed down by sacred tradition.[11] The Latin Church, the Eastern Catholic Churches, and institutes such as mendicant orders and enclosed monastic orders reflect a variety of theological and spiritual emphases in the church.[12][13]

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2018/06/13/0440/00957.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church#cite_note-Annuario-4

Tammy defending the Catholic Church. Interdasting

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 10:32 AM
So many falsehoods presented as facts... so many fundamental misrepresentations of history.

If a Catholic king sends an army to attack an enemy (or defend itself against invasion), it does NOT mean that he's doing so by directive of the Pope, nor does it make his army a Catholic army, nor does mean that the conflict was religious in nature. The wars in Europe after the heresy known as the Protestant Reformation were about power and wealth. The fact that some countries were "Catholic" and others were "Protestant" is incidental to the actual motivations.

If God had not intervened with the Reformation, and the dark ages, and reign of papal terror, had continued, this world would now be a hellish wilderness.

Streetbull
07-07-2018, 10:33 AM
Anyone read The Grand Inquisitor? (Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov)

“Despite declaring the Inquisitor to be a nonbeliever, Ivan also has the Inquisitor saying that the Catholic Church follows "the wise spirit, the dread spirit of death and destruction." He says: "We are not with Thee, but with him, and that is our secret! For centuries have we abandoned Thee to follow him." For he, through compulsion, provided the tools to end all human suffering and for humanity to unite under the banner of the Church. The multitude then is guided through the Church by the few who are strong enough to take on the burden of freedom. The Inquisitor says that under him, all mankind will live and die happily in ignorance. Though he leads them only to "death and destruction", they will be happy along the way. The Inquisitor will be a self-martyr, spending his life to keep choice from humanity. He states that "anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him".
— Wiki entry

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 10:37 AM
Anyone read The Grand Inquisitor? (Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov)

“Despite declaring the Inquisitor to be a nonbeliever, Ivan also has the Inquisitor saying that the Catholic Church follows "the wise spirit, the dread spirit of death and destruction." He says: "We are not with Thee, but with him, and that is our secret! For centuries have we abandoned Thee to follow him." For he, through compulsion, provided the tools to end all human suffering and for humanity to unite under the banner of the Church. The multitude then is guided through the Church by the few who are strong enough to take on the burden of freedom. The Inquisitor says that under him, all mankind will live and die happily in ignorance. Though he leads them only to "death and destruction", they will be happy along the way. The Inquisitor will be a self-martyr, spending his life to keep choice from humanity. He states that "anyone who can appease a man's conscience can take his freedom away from him".
— Wiki entry

Good book.

“The Jesuits…are simply the Romish army for the earthly sovereignty of the world in the future, with the Pontiff of Rome for emperor…that’s their ideal. …It is simple lust of power, of filthy earthly gain, of domination – something like a universal serfdom with them [i.e., the Jesuits] as masters – that’s all they stand for. They don’t even believe in God perhaps.”

Fyodor Dostoyevsky (1821-1881; famous Russian novelist)

Luther wrote, “I am persuaded that if at this time, St. Peter, in person, should preach all the articles of Holy Scripture, and only deny the pope’s authority, power, and primacy, and say, that the pope is not the head of all Christendom, they would cause him to be hanged. Yea, if Christ himself were again on earth, and should preach, without all doubt the pope would crucify him again.”

PeaceWithin
07-07-2018, 10:42 AM
mabe but I know Jesus says don't call anyone father, but our Heavenly Father, and I know Catholics are taught to call their priest Father.

Did you call your dad father growing up? Do people call their own parents father? Lol. It's a general term of respect for someone in an authority position over you.


The reason they call the priest father goes back to the fact that the early Church largely existed as home churches. The oldest member (Father) would sit at the head of the table (altar) and lead. There's nothing worship-y about it, just a general term of respect.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 10:45 AM
Did you call your dad father growing up? Lol.


The reason they call the priest father goes back to the fact that the early Church largely existed as home churches. The oldest member (Father) would sit at the head of the table (altar) and lead. There's nothing worship-y about it, just a general term of respect.

You don't even believe in the Father.

You believe in the father of the pagan "trinity" god.

Why don't you have the same God as Jesus?

Tamorlane
07-07-2018, 10:46 AM
Tammy defending the Catholic Church. Interdasting

Defending, or posting mere facts.

I grew up Roman Catholic and couldn't care less about it. I knew it was baloney by the time I was twelve and still see old people believing in it. But facts are facts, and a lot of southern, American branches of Christianity are cult-like and weird (RC is too, but at least are more established in European countries which are more advanced than the southern US).

PeaceWithin
07-07-2018, 10:48 AM
You don't even believe in the Father.

You believe in the father of the pagan "trinity" god.

Why don't you have the same God as Jesus?

1. I am not Catholic
2. You have no idea what I believe. I'm just offering some guidance on the word Father

PlanoLifter
07-07-2018, 10:49 AM
If God had not intervened with the Reformation, and the dark ages, and reign of papal terror, had continued, this world would now be a hellish wilderness.

Wait - god intervened???? For years now, when I question why this alleged god of yours does nothing to alleviate the pain and suffering inflicted on humans by other humans, I've been told that god wants us to have free will to do whatever we want and that we will be judged when we die. Now you're trying to tell me that this god allegedly intervenes in some instances. You Christians really need to get your stories straight. smh

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 10:51 AM
1. I am not Catholic
2. You have no idea what I believe. I'm just offering some guidance on the word Father

Are you a trinitarian?

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 10:55 AM
Wait - god intervened???? For years now, when I question why this alleged god of yours does nothing to alleviate the pain and suffering inflicted on humans by other humans, I've been told that god wants us to have free will to do whatever we want and that we will be judged when we die. Now you're trying to tell me that this god allegedly intervenes in some instances. You Christians really need to get your stories straight. smh

Genesis 11:1-9 NIV

11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

Ps 119:126
It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.

MiscInformed
07-07-2018, 11:00 AM
If God had not intervened with the Reformation, and the dark ages, and reign of papal terror, had continued, this world would now be a hellish wilderness.

Bunkem.

Luther was a sex-crazed narcissist who taught his followers to "go and sin boldly".

That doesn't sound like a man of God to me.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 11:04 AM
Bunkem.

Your attitude is.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 11:09 AM
Nicolaus Von Amsdorf (1483 - 1565)
"He (the antichrist) will be revealed and come to naught before the last day, so that every man shall comprehend and recognize that the pope is the real, true antichrist and not the vicar of Christ ... Therefore those who consider the pope and his bishops as Christian shepherds and bishops are deeply in error, but even more are those who believe the the Turk (ISLAM) is the antichrist. Because the Turk (ISLAM) rules outside of the church and does not sit in the holy place, nor does he seek to bear the name of Christ, but is an open antagonist of Christ and His church. This does not need to be revealed, but it is clear and evident because he persecutes Christians openly and not as the pope does, secretly under the form of Godliness." (Nicolaus Von Amsdorf, Furnemliche und gewisse Zeichen, sig.A2r.,v.)

Martin Luther (1483 - 1546)
"nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist. For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny." (Martin Luther, First Principles, pp. 196-197)

Flacius (1570)
"The sixth and last reason for our separation from the pope and his followers be this; By many writings of our church, by the Divinely inspired Word, by prophecies concerning the future and by the special characteristics of the Papacy, it has been profusely and thoroughly proved that the pope with his prelates and clergy is the real true great antichrist, that his kingdom is the real Babylon, a never ceasing fountain and a mother of all abominable idolatry." (Flacius, Etliche Hochwichtige Ursachen und Grunde, warum das siche alle Christen von dem Antichrist ... absondern sollen)

Georg Nigrinus (1530 - 1602)
"The Jesuits claim to be sorely offended and have taken my declarations as an insult and blasphemy in branding the Papacy as the antichrist of which Daniel, Paul, Peter, John and even Christ prophesied. But this is as true as it is that Jesus is the Messiah, and I am prepared to show it even by their own definition of the word 'antichrist'." (Translated from "Nigrinus, Antichrists Grundliche Offenbarung" fol. 6v.)

"This Jesuit further contends that the Papacy cannot be antichrist because the Papacy has lasted for centuries, but that the antichrist is supposed to reign only for 3 1/2 years ... But no one doubts today that Daniel spoke of YEAR-DAYS, not literal days ... The prophetic time-periods of forty-two months, 1260 days, 1, 2, 1/2 times are prophetic, and according to Ezekiel 4, a day must be taken for a year." (Translated from "Nigrinus, Antichrists Grundliche Offenbarung" fols.28v. 29r.)

John Calvin (1509 - 1564)
"Though it be admitted that Rome was once the mother of all Churches, yet from the time when it began to be the seat of Antichrist it has ceased to be what it was before. Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman Pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt .. I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." (Institutes of the Christian Religion, Vol.3, p.149)

John Knox (1505 - 1572)
Yea, to speak it in plain words; lest that we submit ourselves to Satan, thinking that we submit ourselves to Jesus Christ, for, as for your Roman kirk, as it is now corrupted, and the authority thereof, whereon stands the hope of your victory, I no more doubt but that it is the synagogue of Satan, and the head thereof, called the pope, to be that man of sin, of whom the apostle speaks." (John Knox, The History of the Reformation of Religion in Scotland, p.65)

Thomas Cranmer (1489 - 1556)
"Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of Antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." (Works by Cranmer, vol.1, pp.6-7)

Roger Williams (1603 - 1683)
Pastor Williams spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vassals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to change times and laws; but he is the son of perdition." (The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers by Froom, Vol. 3, pg. 52)

The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)
"The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ." (1689 Baptist Confession of Faith)

The Westminster Confession of Faith (1646)
"There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalts himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God." (1646 Westminster Confession of Faith)

John Wesley (1703 - 1791)
"... In many respects, the Pope has an indisputable claim to those titles. He is, in an emphatical sense, the man of sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled, the son of perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers, destroyed innumerable souls, and will himself perish everlastingly. He it is that opposeth himself to the emperor, once his rightful sovereign; and that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped - Commanding angels, and putting kings under his feet, both of whom are called gods in scripture; claiming the highest power, the highest honour; suffering himself, not once only, to be styled God or vice-God. Indeed no less is implied in his ordinary title, "Most Holy Lord," or, "Most Holy Father." So that he sitteth - Enthroned. In the temple of God - Mentioned Rev. xi, 1. Declaring himself that he is God - Claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone." (John Wesley, Explanatory Notes Upon The New Testament, p.216)

Charles Spurgeon (1834 - 1892)
"It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist, and as to what Antichrist is no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not the popery in the Church of Rome there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. If there were to be issued a hue and cry for Antichrist, we should certainly take up this church on suspicion, and it would certainly not be let loose again, for it so exactly answers the description."

"Popery is contrary to Christ’s Gospel, and is the Antichrist, and we ought to pray against it. It should be the daily prayer of every believer that Antichrist might be hurled like a millstone into the flood and for Christ, because it wounds Christ, because it robs Christ of His glory, because it puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His atonement, and lifts a piece of bread into the place of the Saviour, and a few drops of water into the place of the Holy Ghost, and puts a mere fallible man like ourselves up as the vicar of Christ on earth; if we pray against it, because it is against Him, we shall love the persons though we hate their errors: we shall love their souls though we loath and detest their dogmas, and so the breath of our prayers will be sweetened, because we turn our faces towards Christ when we pray." (Michael de Semlyen, All Roads Lead to Rome)

Rev. J.A.Wylie (1808 - 1890)
"The same line of proof which establishes that Christ is the promised Messiah, conversely applied, establishes that the Roman system is the predicted Apostacy. In the life of Christ we behold the converse of what the Antichrist must be; and in the prophecy of the Antichrist we are shown the converse of what Christ must be, and was. And when we place the Papacy between the two, and compare it with each, we find, on the one hand, that it is the perfect converse of Christ as seen in his life; and on the other, that it is the perfect image of the Antichrist, as shown in the prophecy of him. We conclude, therefore, that if Jesus of Nazareth be the Christ, the Roman Papacy is the Antichrist."
(J.A.Wylie, Preface to "The Papacy is the Antichrist, A Demonstration")

lasher
07-07-2018, 12:09 PM
mabe but I know Jesus says don't call anyone father, but our Heavenly Father, and I know Catholics are taught to call their priest Father.


Jesus should follow his own advice I guess, since he called Abraham 'Father Abraham'

sawoobley
07-07-2018, 12:09 PM
We don’t agree with their theology so must not be Christians.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 12:11 PM
We don’t agree with their theology so must not be Christians.

Mormon^

Mormons, also, are a Bible spinoff cult, like the Roman Catholic Church, and Islam, and have their own apocryphal books, like "the book of mormon", and their own prophet, Joseph Smith, who was a 3rd degree Freemason and a charlatan.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 12:26 PM
Jesus should follow his own advice I guess, since he called Abraham 'Father Abraham'

The only God.

3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:3

Why don't you have the same God as Jesus?

"Do not cling to Me," Jesus said, "for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.'" John 20:17

The God of true worshippers.

John 4:23-24
23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Notice the abscence of trinitarians in the kingdom:

And has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father– to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Revelation 1:6

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Revelation 3:12

Why no throne for "the Holy Spirit"?

Revelation 22:3
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

The faith of a trinitarian is below even the faith of literal demons. Even they believe that God is One.

You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that, and shudder! James 2:19

lasher
07-07-2018, 12:28 PM
lmao

Get your tilt levels checked

ScottTil
07-07-2018, 12:29 PM
most Christians are not Christ like so I guess most Christian are not Christians which makes Catholics as much Christian as any other Christian

JimmieRedbeard
07-07-2018, 12:39 PM
Let me clarify for you op, All Catholics are Christian not all Christians are Catholic.

BlackJack619
07-07-2018, 12:39 PM
I know many Christians (non Catholic) who refer to their male parent as father. Does this mean, that in your mind, these people are not real Christians too?if they are not following Christ are they?

XterraRob
07-07-2018, 12:42 PM
Mormon^

Mormons, also, are a Bible spinoff cult, like the Roman Catholic Church, and Islam, and have their own apocryphal books, like "the book of mormon", and their own prophet, Joseph Smith, who was a 3rd degree Freemason and a charlatan.

What theological organizations do you belong to?

PeaceWithin
07-07-2018, 01:03 PM
Are you a trinitarian?

Wherever you put the Greek Orthodox Church in your world.

Inb4 enourmous copy/paste paragraphs


if they are not following Christ are they?

Strong dodging of his question and my earlier explanation.


Did you call your dad father growing up? Do people call their own parents father? Lol. It's a general term of respect for someone in an authority position over you.


The reason they call the priest father goes back to the fact that the early Church largely existed as home churches. The oldest member (Father) would sit at the head of the table (altar) and lead. There's nothing worship-y about it, just a general term of respect.

PlanoLifter
07-07-2018, 01:09 PM
if they are not following Christ are they?

This is not an answer to my question.

sawoobley
07-07-2018, 01:22 PM
What theological organizations do you belong to?

I doubt he’ll ever say. He’ll just bash others and hide who he is so he does not have to defend a set of defined and understandable beliefs.

numberguy12
07-07-2018, 01:22 PM
^^^ to people replying to brosefmengele, it's not worth your time. He's a troll, if there ever was definition of a troll, and his sole purpose seems to be to clutter up the forum with mindless copy paste walls of text. I am amazed that he isn't banned yet, even if just on grounds of his disgusting username alone. It's a really bad look for Bodybuilding forums to allow that kind of username clutter its forums.

I suggest just blocking the troll, it makes navigating the forums so much easier.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 01:22 PM
What theological organizations do you belong to?

I am an eye of the body of Christ.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 01:28 PM
Wherever you put the Greek Orthodox Church in your world.


The Eastern orthodox church believes in the "Holy Trinity", the god of the Roman Catholic Church. It's the pagan three-headed god of the mystery religion of ancient Babylon, not the One God of Abraham, YHWH.

PeaceWithin
07-07-2018, 01:30 PM
The Eastern orthodox church believes in the "Holy Trinity", the god of the Roman Catholic Church. It's the pagan three-headed god of the mystery religion of ancient Babylon, not the One God of Abraham, YHWH.

Don't you mean the Catholic Church believes in the God of the Orthodox Church?

Also, just LOL @ the trolling shtick you have chosen. If you're going to use all this energy, at least pick something fun.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 01:31 PM
Don't you mean the Catholic Church believes in the God of the Orthodox Church?

Also, just LOL @ the trolling shtick you have chosen. If you're going to use all this energy, at least pick something fun.

What's "the orthodox church" in your words and why do you not worship the same God as Jesus?

"The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church..." Handbook for Today's Catholic, p. 11.

"Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture. But the Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, as the Trinity, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels." Graham Greene, [celebrated Catholic Author], Life Magazine, 30 Oct. 1950, p.51

BlackJack619
07-07-2018, 01:33 PM
This is not an answer to my question.do they produce the fruits of the spirit, that's a good way to tell the if they are a true Christian, why are you concerned about your friend, shouldn't you be more concerned about your own soul?

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 01:45 PM
I doubt he’ll ever say. He’ll just bash others and hide who he is so he does not have to defend a set of defined and understandable beliefs.

I don't belong to any spinoff cult of the bible. My body is a temple of the Spirit of God. No earthly temple built with human hands is a church of God but of devils.

sawoobley
07-07-2018, 01:52 PM
I don't belong to any spinoff cult of the bible. My body is a temple of the Spirit of God. No earthly temple built with human hands is a church of God but of devils.

So you are alone in your beliefs and interpretations. Standing on the sideline chirping at everyone else telling them all they need to listen to you. Having no authority to perform ordinances, sacraments, or to teach the gospel in an official capacity. It is fitting you made the misc your home to spread your word. :D

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 01:54 PM
Catholics may be Christians, but do they behave like a true Christian?? (being humble, loving God with all your might, loving your neighbor as yourself, not judging, forgiving everyone, etc)

They can't love God (the Father) with all their might, if they believe God is three separate beings in one, that would mean dividing your love for God into three, and failing to acknowledge the Father, who alone has status of God, and not loving Him with all your heart.

sawoobley
07-07-2018, 01:54 PM
Catholics may be Christians, but do they behave like a true Christian?? (being humble, loving God with all your might, loving your neighbor as yourself, not judging, forgiving everyone, etc)

I think you will find people of all Christian denominations who behave as respectable Christians and those who do not.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 01:56 PM
So you are alone in your beliefs and interpretations. Standing on the sideline chirping at everyone else telling them all they need to listen to you. Having no authority to perform ordinances, sacraments, or to teach the gospel in an official capacity. It is fitting you made the misc your home to spread your word. :D

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1 Peter 2:9-10
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Ephesians 2:19-22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

1 Peter 2:4-5
As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

MiscInformed
07-07-2018, 02:07 PM
They can't love God (the Father) with all their might, if they believe God is three separate beings in one, that would mean dividing your love for God into three, and failing to acknowledge the Father, who alone has status of God, and not loving Him with all your heart.

Once again, you show your ignorance. That's not what Catholics believe.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm

God is God. In his nature, he is one. But he's also exists as 3 "persons" in the way he reveals himself to us. This apparent contradiction is beyond our ability to understand, so it's an article of faith.

MiscInformed
07-07-2018, 02:09 PM
I doubt he’ll ever say. He’ll just bash others and hide who he is so he does not have to defend a set of defined and understandable beliefs.

Personally, I think he's Westboro Baptist.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:13 PM
Personally, I think he's Westboro Baptist.

You would have thought Elijah was that too?

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:18 PM
baldy baldy!













Don't kill me with bears bro

That's was Elisha.

lasher
07-07-2018, 02:19 PM
That's was Elisha.

That was Elisha yes

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:21 PM
That was Elisha yes

STRONG attempt at ninja delete, bro

lasher
07-07-2018, 02:21 PM
STRONG attempt at ninja delete, bro

I got the name wrong, not like I ain't owning it

sawoobley
07-07-2018, 02:22 PM
Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1 Peter 2:9-10
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

Ephesians 2:19-22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

1 Peter 2:4-5
As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Since your beliefs are unique to you and you are antagonistic to nearly everyone else you will never find unity with God and his followers as long as you are on this path.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:22 PM
I got the name wrong, not like I ain't owning it

You've owned it now, gjdm

lasher
07-07-2018, 02:24 PM
You've owned it now, gjdm

i knew I had the wrong name before you quoted me. It's just timing dave man

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:25 PM
Since your beliefs are unique to you and you are antagonistic to nearly everyone else you will never find unity with God and his followers as long as you are on this path.

Those verses you ignored say that each individual in Christ is part of the body of Christ (the church/God's elect), and that each Christian is a king and priest, in Christ.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:25 PM
question: was John the baptist really Elijah?

No, they are two separate people. Elijah never died. And reincarnation is a false doctrine.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:32 PM
Once again, you show your ignorance. That's not what Catholics believe.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p2.htm

God is God. In his nature, he is one. But he's also exists as 3 "persons" in the way he reveals himself to us. This apparent contradiction is beyond our ability to understand, so it's an article of faith.

Mark 12:29
Jesus replied, "This is the most important: "Listen, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone."

Why don't you have the same God as Jesus?

"You ALONE, Yahweh, are God." Isaiah 37:20
"Before Me there was NO GOD FORMED, And there will be NONE AFTER ME." Isaiah 43:10
"'I am the FIRST AND I am the LAST, And there IS NO GOD BESIDES ME." Isaiah 44:6
"Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of NONE." Isaiah 44:8
"I am Yahweh, and there IS NO OTHER; BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD." Isaiah 45:5
"I am God, and THERE IS NO OTHER; I am God, and there is NO ONE like Me" Isaiah 46:9

YHWH, the Heavenly Father alone is God. He doesn't exist in three persons.

sawoobley
07-07-2018, 02:36 PM
Those verses you ignored say that each individual in Christ is part of the body of Christ (the church/God's elect), and that each Christian is a king and priest, in Christ.

Those were people gathered together by the ministry of apostles, seventy, missionaries, etc all being taught the same thing, all being baptized and receiving the Holy Spirit by God’s authorized servants. They are not just a bunch of randos with their own seperate beliefs who then get designated by God to be part of the body of Christ.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:38 PM
Those were people gathered together by the ministry of apostles, seventy, missionaries, etc all being taught the same thing, all being baptized and receiving the Holy Spirit by God’s authorized servants. They are not just a bunch of randos with their own seperate beliefs who then get designated by God to be part of the body of Christ.

No, it is inclusive of all Christians.

Galatians 3:26-29
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 2:28-29
A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

Mr Beer
07-07-2018, 02:42 PM
Factually Catholics are the original Christians, pretty silly to invent a different branch a mere 500 years ago and then pretend it's the sole real version.

That said it's just a tard fight anyway when you sectarians squabble with each other over who has the best skydaddy.

MiscInformed
07-07-2018, 02:44 PM
Mark 12:29
Jesus replied, "This is the most important: "Listen, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone."

Why don't you have the same God as Jesus?

"You ALONE, Yahweh, are God." Isaiah 37:20
"Before Me there was NO GOD FORMED, And there will be NONE AFTER ME." Isaiah 43:10
"'I am the FIRST AND I am the LAST, And there IS NO GOD BESIDES ME." Isaiah 44:6
"Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of NONE." Isaiah 44:8
"I am Yahweh, and there IS NO OTHER; BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD." Isaiah 45:5
"I am God, and THERE IS NO OTHER; I am God, and there is NO ONE like Me" Isaiah 46:9

If you reject the Holy Spirit and Jesus, you are rejecting God. The God of the Bible is a triune God.

Do you believe that Jesus was simply a man and nothing more?

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:45 PM
Factually Catholics are the original Christians.


Actually, the Catholic Church is not the apostolic church described in the book of acts, it's a spinoff. The apostolic church was patterned after the church in Jerusalem, not Rome.

The church in the book of Acts did not baptize in the name of the Holy Spirit but of Jesus only.

They also did not worship the trinity, seeing as how they were Jews and Jews weren't trinitarians but were monotheistic and worshipped Yahweh, alone.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:46 PM
If you reject the Holy Spirit and Jesus, you are rejecting God. The God of the Bible is a triune God.

Do you believe that Jesus was simply a man and nothing more?

Jesus is the Son of God, the Christ, the Messiah. Not God Himself or part of a "trinity".

Mr Beer
07-07-2018, 02:47 PM
Nah.

Y'all should be united under Jeebus instead of squabbling with each other over sectarian nonsense. Religiotards gonna tard though.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 02:50 PM
ty mr beer and misinformed for repping me, making me green :) idk why brosef negged me, maybe he is not a real Christian?

You will be banned eventually for being an alt so what does it matter.

MiscInformed
07-07-2018, 02:55 PM
Jesus is the Son of God, the Christ, the Messiah. Not God Himself or part of a "trinity".

"The Father and I are one." - John 10:30

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 03:01 PM
"The Father and I are one." - John 10:30



20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Jesus wasn't talking to Himself, and He is not "literally" one with the Father as in they are the same person. That's denying both the Father and Son.

sawoobley
07-07-2018, 03:16 PM
No, it is inclusive of all Christians.

Galatians 3:26-29
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 2:28-29
A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

I agree. That is a good interpretation when read out of context without any consideration of who is speaking to who.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 03:26 PM
I agree. That is a good interpretation when read out of context without any consideration of who is speaking to who.

All are one in Christ. Might be a strange concept to Mormons.. I know they don't place much value in the Bible, like Muslims, and Catholics.

sawoobley
07-07-2018, 03:33 PM
All are one in Christ. Might be a strange concept to Mormons.. I know they don't place much value in the Bible, like Muslims, and Catholics.

Sure all are ONE in Christ if by one you mean believing different things and constantly arguing about them. If by one you mean everyone does there own thing and yet are somehow one with the Father and Christ as they are one with each other.

Makes perfect sense.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 03:39 PM
Sure all are ONE in Christ if by one you mean believing different things and constantly arguing about them. If by one you mean everyone does there own thing and yet are somehow one with the Father and Christ as they are one with each other.

Makes perfect sense.

“There is one body, and one Spirit [Holy Spirit], even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus Christ], one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4-6

Godfrd824
07-07-2018, 03:41 PM
A Christian is someone who is Christ like, and Catholics are not Christ like, they sometimes even do the opposite of Christ.

Religon will not save you...You know what Christ did a lot, he judged, he judged and he divided people into subgroups and treated them differently than people in order groups. So in essence, I guess you're definitely a Christian, since you're acting so Christ like right now.


“There is one body, and one Spirit [Holy Spirit], even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus Christ], one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4-6

Your caretaker needs to be more consistent in giving you your medication.

sawoobley
07-07-2018, 03:44 PM
“There is one body, and one Spirit [Holy Spirit], even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus Christ], one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4-6

Unfortunately you can not be part of that oneness since you are the only person in the your particular faith, with a calling bestowed upon yourself, and teaching with a spirit foreign to your fellow Christians.

BlackJack619
07-07-2018, 04:03 PM
If you claim to be a Christian the bible says other Christians should judge you so you don't go astray.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 04:55 PM
If you claim to be a Christian the bible says other Christians should judge you so you don't go astray.

Yes.

1 Timothy 5:20
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Titus 1:13
This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Titus 2:15
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

BrosefMengele
07-07-2018, 05:24 PM
Unfortunately you can not be part of that oneness since you are the only person in the your particular faith, with a calling bestowed upon yourself, and teaching with a spirit foreign to your fellow Christians.

That's because most "Christians" today are actually satanic pagans.