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garthismad
04-29-2018, 01:44 AM
Does your mainstream media hate Trump as well or do they give him credit for all he has done in a year as president? Also interested in your opinions, say ur country



Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court

Stock Market reached an all-time high

Consumer confidence at 17-year high

More than 2 million jobs created

Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a 7-year high

Unemployment rate at 17-year low

Signed the Promoting Women In Entrepreneurship Act

Gutted Obama-era regulations

Ended war on coal

Weakened Dodd-Frank regulations

Promoted buying and hiring American

Investment from major businesses (FoxConn, Toyota, Ford and others)

Reduced illegal immigration

Bids for Border Wall underway

Fighting back against sanctuary cities

Created Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement Office

Changed rules of engagement against ISIS

Drafted plans to defeat ISIS

Worked to reduce F-35 cost

5-year lobbying ban

Sanctioned Iran over missile program

Responded to Syria's use of chemical weapons

Introduced tax reform plan

Renegotiating NAFTA

Withdrew from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)

Removed The United States out of The Paris Accord

Created task force to reduce crime

DOJ targeting MS-13

Signed an Executive Order to promote energy independence and economic growth

Signed Executive Order to protect police officers

Signed Executive Order to target drug cartels

Signed Executive Order for religious freedom

Sending education back to The States

Fixing the Department of Veterans Affairs

SCOTUS upheld parts of President Trump's temporary travel ban Executive Order

Authorized the construction of The Keystone Pipeline

Created commission on opioid addiction

Combating human trafficking (both EO and action)

Rollback of Obama's Cuba policy

Food Stamp use lowest level in 7 years

Reduced White House payroll

Donating Presidential Salary

Executive Order on Obamacare subsidies

Would not certify the Iran Nuclear Deal

Successful trip to Asia

Signed trade deal with China

Designated North Korea a terrorist state

ISIS lost virtually all of its territory

Recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital

Passage of Tax Reform Bill

Signed 130 bills into law

Made 136 Presidential Proclamations

Signed 64 Executive Orders

Brokering peace in Korea, possible Nobel peace prize

garthismad
04-29-2018, 01:51 AM
Possibly bangs Melania

Singularity7
04-29-2018, 01:55 AM
I'll just say it's constant bitching about Trump over here in the media afaik. There is always some spin on a subject. Constantly see it when i walk past the TV and news is on.

KyleAaron
04-29-2018, 01:56 AM
Does your mainstream media hate Trump as well or do they give him credit for all he has done in a year as president?
In Australia, the media presents him as comedy.

The general public feels that as an elected representative of Americans, he represents at least a part of America. Just not the best part.

Under his presidency, the United States withdraws from international treaties, allowing the remaining countries to negotiate better terms, and he's such a buffoon that there's little chance we in Australia will follow the US into the next losing foreign conflict the US gets itself into, it's just politically unacceptable. Plus he's so divisive in his country that the US is kept busy with internal conflicts instead of bothering other countries as much as it usually does.

It is my sincere hope that he continues in his office and is re-elected in 2020, and that the Constitution is changed to allow him subsequent terms until he is presiding over his country from a hospital bed attached to life support at 118 years old.

garthismad
04-29-2018, 01:57 AM
I'll just say it's constant bitching about Trump over here in the media afaik. There is always some spin on a subject. Constantly see it when i walk past the TV and news is on.lol sounds like our media, how about the women there? Are they corrupt by western society yet as well?

Rabbitjb
04-29-2018, 02:01 AM
In Britain he’s a laughing stock

Skylinerd1
04-29-2018, 02:09 AM
In Britain he’s a laughing stock

All this shows is your media just like in Australia, New Zealand, Canada ETC is bought and paid for by the same corporate media in the states that hates trump.

And I doubt Trump gives a **** what some inbred cuck from britanistan thinks anyway.

This is from a New Zealander BTW. I used to go on uk based forums like planetrugby and the like but they have all been reduced to anti Trump marxist/globalist circle jerk zones.

Singularity7
04-29-2018, 02:11 AM
lol sounds like our media, how about the women there? Are they corrupt by western society yet as well?
I live in Darwin NT. Aussie brahs will know about NT. Yes women over here are not that much different to you Americabrahs.
The youth here man when it comes to social media, RIP. We have our fair share of degeneracy imo. It's not just some women though but some men as well that help propagate this.

Mr Beer
04-29-2018, 02:14 AM
Australians pretty much have a knee-jerk reaction to mock Americans and Trump is the mouthiest, tackiest American imaginable so yeah he's a punchline here. I think the low-grade anti-US attitude here is BS BTW although I can get behind laughing at Trump.

The media is anti-Trump, the focus mainly being his trade deal stuff and general erratic/childish behaviour. The last three articles I read mentioning him all speak of his role in the NK/SK things happening though.

XterraRob
04-29-2018, 02:16 AM
UK's opinions are invalided due to the thought/internet police. Literally the biggest cuckening of that culture ever aside from when they were kicked out of America for being bad guests.

Skylinerd1
04-29-2018, 02:18 AM
uk's opinions are invalided due to the thought/internet police. Literally the biggest cuckening of that culture ever aside from when they were kicked out of america for being bad guests.

^^this

Rabbitjb
04-29-2018, 02:22 AM
Australians pretty much have a knee-jerk reaction to mock Americans and Trump is the mouthiest, tackiest American imaginable so yeah he's a punchline here. I think the low-grade anti-US attitude here is BS BTW although I can get behind laughing at Trump.

The media is anti-Trump, the focus mainly being his trade deal stuff and general erratic/childish behaviour. The last three articles I read mentioning him all speak of his role in the NK/SK things happening though.


This is pretty accurate for the UK too



UK's opinions are invalided due to the thought/internet police. Literally the biggest cuckening of that culture ever aside from when they were kicked out of America for being bad guests.

Yeah, this just type of ridiculous rant just makes you look idiotic and reinforces the whole laughing stock

XterraRob
04-29-2018, 02:25 AM
Yeah, this just type of ridiculous rant just makes you look idiotic and reinforces the whole laughing stock

And why do you think my rant is ridiculous? I think it's ridiculous that UK tries to censor behavior on social media.

KyleAaron
04-29-2018, 02:26 AM
Yes, the Misc generally, but in talking politics specifically, is an excellent example of why the rest of the world laughs at Americans.

As someone said, "they're not sending us their best."

TheJimmyRustler
04-29-2018, 03:23 AM
The announcement of him being due to visit the UK has resulted in people planning mass protests. He's regularly the butt of jokes both on and off tv, and just generally seen as a fcking idiot and constantly ridiculed.

For my part, I'm sick and tired of it. R/P made me somewhat conservative on some issues and more aware of the mainstream nature of leftist thought, and hearing people in both public and private life constantly talking about him just does my head in. If someone cracks a trump joke I just nod, go "mhm" and try to change the subject to something I actually find interesting.

milesgiles1
04-29-2018, 03:50 AM
In Britain he’s a laughing stock

Yes in the mass media. Not necessarily amongst intelligent people.

I will admit every American I know and meet in London can’t stand him.

EmmaW4tson
04-29-2018, 04:06 AM
All English MSM is owned by the same group of cawksuckers who move amongst themselves. Don't be fooled by different nations, they are all the same.

jtaylor2010
04-29-2018, 05:22 AM
In Australia, the media presents him as comedy.

The general public feels that as an elected representative of Americans, he represents at least a part of America. Just not the best part.

Under his presidency, the United States withdraws from international treaties, allowing the remaining countries to negotiate better terms, and he's such a buffoon that there's little chance we in Australia will follow the US into the next losing foreign conflict the US gets itself into, it's just politically unacceptable. Plus he's so divisive in his country that the US is kept busy with internal conflicts instead of bothering other countries as much as it usually does.

It is my sincere hope that he continues in his office and is re-elected in 2020, and that the Constitution is changed to allow him subsequent terms until he is presiding over his country from a hospital bed attached to life support at 118 years old.

1.) which treaty are you talking about?


2.) what do you think about Opie’s list? Or since it’s so long what do you think are the three best and three worst items on the list?

Dirtybiscuit
04-29-2018, 06:01 AM
The general public feels that as an elected representative of Americans, he represents at least a part of America. Just not the best part.

Which part is the best part then?


Plus he's so divisive in his country that the US is kept busy with internal conflicts instead of bothering other countries as much as it usually does.

Divisive?...Sad. America first so that's a positive.


It is my sincere hope that he continues in his office and is re-elected in 2020.

Agree.

TheBlackAdonis
04-29-2018, 06:10 AM
Im not American.

I always laugh when Trump gets credit for fixing the American economy. The reason why the American economy didn't collapse entriely after Bush clusterfuked it was because of Obama. Bush fuked up the US and World economy with the Iraq war.


Dow Jones
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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/170505135848-trump-unemployment-05052017-780x439.jpg






I give Trump credit for Korea though, top work. Bizarre diplomacy that seemed to work. Deserves credit there in my opinion. I think Trump bombing Assad in Syria, sent a message to Kim Jong Un.

TheBlackAdonis
04-29-2018, 06:22 AM
Does your mainstream media hate Trump as well or do they give him credit for all he has done in a year as president?


More than 2 million jobs created


https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/XXuJAgCUxVfjfaoGMXvjD03RVok=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/YY3H35ELFIZ5RGXYGMLGOGMOBM.jpg



Unemployment rate at 17-year low

https://i.redd.it/wyfg1b120fd01.jpg

US_Ranger
04-29-2018, 06:53 AM
I remember being overseas a lot when Obama was president. I was traveling around in different parts of the world. Every news outlet kissed his ass on every topic. People around the world kissed his ass when talking to me about American politics. (I hate that by the way, I never talk about this crap in real life)

It was weird to me because I knew in my head that he had bombed 7 different countries (maybe only 6 at the time), assassinated a US citizen that was 16 years old, sold automatic weapons to Mexican drug cartels that ended up killing US border patrol agents, fcked up US health care and numerous other things.

The difference was that no one even cared about any of that. There was no discussion. It was just praise without thought. That always blew me away, even in 1st world countries I was traveling to.

RIKTER
04-29-2018, 11:16 AM
Yes, the Misc generally, but in talking politics specifically, is an excellent example of why the rest of the world laughs at Americans.

As someone said, "they're not sending us their best."

Hows your mandarin? We're the only thing keeping that from happening. Theres a fine line between laughter and crying.

"The Global Times said Australia was "an ideal target for China to warn and strike" if it ventured into the contested waters.

"The hardline nationalist newspaper warned "Australia Will Learn its Lesson" for supporting a ruling by the international arbitration tribunal at The Hague opposing Beijing’s historical claims to the South China Sea."

"Australia’s power means nothing compared to the security of China. If Australia steps into the South China Sea waters, it will be an ideal target for China to warn and strike."

The editorial closed with a final insult, declaring: "Australia is not even a paper tiger, it is only a paper cat at best."

Rockchalk0420
04-29-2018, 11:28 AM
In Britain he’s a laughing stock

Traditional US allies always seem to have rather negative opinions about the US, and US presidents. Even Obamas popularity waned. Trump is erratic. And he does make it easy to poke fun at him. But, he is getting results previous administrations couldn't even dream of. He got North Korea to denuculearize in 15 months. And he has done several things on the domestic front that I am very happy with (and some that Im not). Hes taken China to task on trade, hes renegotiating NAFTA, pulled the US from the Paris Accord, strengthened NATO by making NATO partners spend more on military. These are good results, all the while taking on factions in the US government who want him out. I'm willing to overlook some of his more outrageous antics with these results.

jtaylor2010
04-29-2018, 11:46 AM
Hows your mandarin? We're the only thing keeping that from happening. Theres a fine line between laughter and crying.

"The Global Times said Australia was "an ideal target for China to warn and strike" if it ventured into the contested waters.

"The hardline nationalist newspaper warned "Australia Will Learn its Lesson" for supporting a ruling by the international arbitration tribunal at The Hague opposing Beijing’s historical claims to the South China Sea."

"Australia’s power means nothing compared to the security of China. If Australia steps into the South China Sea waters, it will be an ideal target for China to warn and strike."

The editorial closed with a final insult, declaring: "Australia is not even a paper tiger, it is only a paper cat at best."

Everyone makes fun of America and downplays it’s significance, until they need something. Then which country is the first one they call?

eltigar
04-29-2018, 12:25 PM
Trump , Obama , bush , Clinton ........same **** different smell.

RIKTER
04-29-2018, 12:26 PM
Everyone makes fun of America and downplays it’s significance, until they need something. Then which country is the first one they call?

Many of these liberals in western countries, including Australia, don't truly realize whats going to happen to them once the left destroys the American military by dismantling it to pay for their socialist utopia. The void will be filled and they will be at the complete mercy of the ones filling that void.

InPhase
04-30-2018, 12:20 AM
Rupert murdoch owns a lot of our media so whatever his views are are what is put forward.

swoleyo
04-30-2018, 12:36 AM
In Britain he’s a laughing stock


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Mr Beer
04-30-2018, 01:57 AM
This is pretty accurate for the UK too

British and Australian cultures have a shared distaste for people who loudly tell you how fkn great they are.

KyleAaron
04-30-2018, 02:06 AM
1.) which treaty are you talking about?
Trans-Pacific Partnership, and the climate change treaty. Australia was able to negotiate much better terms without the US there.


what do you think about Opie’s list? Or since it’s so long what do you think are the three best and three worst items on the list?
Most of those affect the US only, so I'm indifferent to them. The international affairs ones, he's mostly been a destructive influence. Recognising Jerusalem as Israel's capital? That - and I say this as a Zionist - pisses off the Arabs without helping Israel in any way whatsoever - let's at least make diplomacy a zero sum game, FFS. But that's not picking on Trump in particular, it's just the American way.

It's not clear to me why people think the US has any credit for North and South Korea sitting down together. It's notable that through last year while the US was loudly rattling sabres, Japan and RoK were very quiet, and China was saying, "calm down, bro." On some of the same days the US threatened nuclear destruction of DPRK, RoK spoke up and said it was quite keen on peace, thanks very much. So the RoK-DPRK meeting seems to have happened despite the US, not because of it.

DPRK was willing to close the nuclear testing site because it's a collapsed mess already (six nuclear tests inside one mountain ain't good for the scenery, who would have thought it?), they've developed a warhead small enough to fit on a missile, and they have a missile which is only half useless, instead of completely useless. Other countries also stopped testing once they had something that worked well enough. So they now have a credible deterrent and can negotiate from a positive of (relative to before) strength. They've built something they can offer to give up in exchange for peace with RoK.

They probably won't get peace with the USA, because the USA is all, "give up everything and then maybe we'll talk... but maybe we'll just chuck the agreement years later anyway, like with Iran." RoK is a bit more reasonable, since they actually border DPRK and risk something by mouthing off and talking big, unlike the US. So they'll get peace with RoK and the US can slink off into irrelevance.

Trump at least knows the US is becoming irrelevant. Make America great again, right? Which means he at least acknowledges it's declined. Which is why he won, the rest of his party and the Dems were all, "but we is great cos we said so, herp derp." If you spend your life in an airconditioned office on a salary then everything seems great, if you're in some town where the factories have all closed and the water's undrinkable you have a different point of view. Trump's a buffoon, but he recognises and speaks of a reality others deny, and at least pretends he knows what to do about it.

eltigar
04-30-2018, 02:37 AM
Aussies mostly don’t give a fuk about politics.
I personally fin trumps antics amusing .
But I’m of the firm belief that he and Obama and bush and who ever else at all the same **** different smell.
They all bend over for the banks .

jtaylor2010
04-30-2018, 04:26 AM
Trans-Pacific Partnership, and the climate change treaty. Australia was able to negotiate much better terms without the US there.


Most of those affect the US only, so I'm indifferent to them. The international affairs ones, he's mostly been a destructive influence. Recognising Jerusalem as Israel's capital? That - and I say this as a Zionist - pisses off the Arabs without helping Israel in any way whatsoever - let's at least make diplomacy a zero sum game, FFS. But that's not picking on Trump in particular, it's just the American way.

It's not clear to me why people think the US has any credit for North and South Korea sitting down together. It's notable that through last year while the US was loudly rattling sabres, Japan and RoK were very quiet, and China was saying, "calm down, bro." On some of the same days the US threatened nuclear destruction of DPRK, RoK spoke up and said it was quite keen on peace, thanks very much. So the RoK-DPRK meeting seems to have happened despite the US, not because of it.

DPRK was willing to close the nuclear testing site because it's a collapsed mess already (six nuclear tests inside one mountain ain't good for the scenery, who would have thought it?), they've developed a warhead small enough to fit on a missile, and they have a missile which is only half useless, instead of completely useless. Other countries also stopped testing once they had something that worked well enough. So they now have a credible deterrent and can negotiate from a positive of (relative to before) strength. They've built something they can offer to give up in exchange for peace with RoK.

They probably won't get peace with the USA, because the USA is all, "give up everything and then maybe we'll talk... but maybe we'll just chuck the agreement years later anyway, like with Iran." RoK is a bit more reasonable, since they actually border DPRK and risk something by mouthing off and talking big, unlike the US. So they'll get peace with RoK and the US can slink off into irrelevance.

Trump at least knows the US is becoming irrelevant. Make America great again, right? Which means he at least acknowledges it's declined. Which is why he won, the rest of his party and the Dems were all, "but we is great cos we said so, herp derp." If you spend your life in an airconditioned office on a salary then everything seems great, if you're in some town where the factories have all closed and the water's undrinkable you have a different point of view. Trump's a buffoon, but he recognises and speaks of a reality others deny, and at least pretends he knows what to do about it.


1.) Then you should be happy. I would be interested to know what the terms were before and after though. Either way, the climate accord was a completely sh!tty deal for America so it would’ve been stupid for us to stay in it and throw billions of dollars away. For the TPP, that was a bad deal as well. We said we may reconsider if the terms improved, and Trump is working to make lots of trade deals more beneficial for America, which is what he’s supposed to do. For example:


When a car is sent to the United States from China, there is a Tariff to be paid of 2 1/2%. When a car is sent to China from the United States, there is a Tariff to be paid of 25%. Does that sound like free or fair trade. No, it sounds like STUPID TRADE - going on for years!



Stock futures surge as China's president vows to cut tariffs on car imports, further open markets

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinas-president-vows-to-cut-tariffs-on-car-imports-further-open-markets-report-2018-04-09




2.) obviously there were a lot of moving parts involved in bringing the two Koreas closer together, but it’s pretty naive and/or biased to say Trump didn’t play a big role in it.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/09/asia/south-korea-north-korea-talks-moon-intl/index.html


https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4840834/moon-korea-nuclear-trump






As far as America dwindling, it’s possible, but hopefully we remain a big time player for a long time. America is the most charitable country and it isn’t even close. And while he’s we have done some sh!tty things, it’s easy to forget what real wide-scale horror looks like since we don’t really see it in the world much anymore(and haven’t since America became the lone superpower). The potential is always there though so we shouldn’t take that for granted. Maybe you think the world will be a better place if/when China claims the top spot and can do whatever it wants, but I disagree.

KyleAaron
04-30-2018, 04:56 AM
1.) Then you should be happy.
Yes, I am. Trump will almost certainly stand again in 2020, and if he stands he'll win, because all the other candidates deny America's decline. His victory is terrible for the US, but great for the rest of us.

US news outlets say the US is key in bringing DPRK to negotiations. Well, okay. I'm sure Chinese news outlets have their own, slightly different view. I think Australian news outlets have said Australia, helped, too ;) I think the truth is that both Koreas have done this pretty much on their own.


As far as America dwindling, it’s possible, but hopefully we remain a big time player for a long time.
Trump said you're declining. Everyone else said, "lol wut? we r teh greatest! Just ask those people in Detroit!" This is why he won. This was anticipated, but not of course by anyone in the Democrats, or the majority of Republicans. But then, elites are always the last to realise the ship is sinking. This article is from 2016 [http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176133/tomgram%3A_engelhardt,_has_the_american_age_of_dec line_begun/]

The USA has more than 300 million people, many of whom are well-educated, it has physical control of most of a continent and a large chunk of the world's resources inside its own border. These natural advantages have, of course, been brutally squandered since WWII, and your elites have done their best to destroy them as quickly as possible, or sell them off overseas if they couldn't destroy them. But they give the United States (assuming it continues to exist and doesn't just fizzle out one day like the SU did), lasting advantages. Absent a civil war, the US will always be a great power, but it'll no longer be a superpower.

jtaylor2010
04-30-2018, 05:20 AM
Yes, I am. Trump will almost certainly stand again in 2020, and if he stands he'll win, because all the other candidates deny America's decline. His victory is terrible for the US, but great for the rest of us.

US news outlets say the US is key in bringing DPRK to negotiations. Well, okay. I'm sure Chinese news outlets have their own, slightly different view. I think Australian news outlets have said Australia, helped, too ;) I think the truth is that both Koreas have done this pretty much on their own.


Trump said you're declining. Everyone else said, "lol wut? we r teh greatest! Just ask those people in Detroit!" This is why he won. This was anticipated, but not of course by anyone in the Democrats, or the majority of Republicans. But then, elites are always the last to realise the ship is sinking. This article is from 2016 [http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176133/tomgram%3A_engelhardt,_has_the_american_age_of_dec line_begun/]

The USA has more than 300 million people, many of whom are well-educated, it has physical control of most of a continent and a large chunk of the world's resources inside its own border. These natural advantages have, of course, been brutally squandered since WWII, and your elites have done their best to destroy them as quickly as possible, or sell them off overseas if they couldn't destroy them. But they give the United States (assuming it continues to exist and doesn't just fizzle out one day like the SU did), lasting advantages. Absent a civil war, the US will always be a great power, but it'll no longer be a superpower.


I like how you conveniently left out the part where SK’s leader has praised Trump every step of the way for helping the situation progress to where it is.



We are declining at the expense of the global stage, but we’re still great(though we may be more divided than we’ve been in centuries). As far as not being a superpower I would honk you’re mistaken. We have easily the most powerful military along with strategic bases all over the world. No other single country comes close.

KyleAaron
04-30-2018, 05:29 AM
I like how you conveniently left out the part where SK’s leader has praised Trump every step of the way for helping the situation progress to where it is.
He's just trying to keep the beast in the cage. That's the thing with US Presidents, you never know when they'll flip out and just start bombing someone. Which rarely helps. I would in his position, too. "Let them have the credit, we'll have the peace."


We are declining at the expense of the global stage, but we’re still great(though we may be more divided than we’ve been in centuries). As far as not being a superpower I would honk you’re mistaken. We have easily the most powerful military along with strategic bases all over the world. No other single country comes close.
And yet in more than 16 years you've not been able to defeat a bunch of Afghan goatherds. So much money and lives spent for so little effect. You're like a globogym PT with an Eleiko competition barbell set.

jtaylor2010
04-30-2018, 05:40 AM
He's just trying to keep the beast in the cage. That's the thing with US Presidents, you never know when they'll flip out and just start bombing someone. Which rarely helps. I would in his position, too. "Let them have the credit, we'll have the peace."


And yet in more than 16 years you've not been able to defeat a bunch of Afghan goatherds. So much money and lives spent for so little effect. You're like a globogym PT with an Eleiko competition barbell set.


Lold... the mental gymnastics you’re able to pull off in order to avoid giving Trump any credit in the Korean Peninsula progress is pretty damn impressive.



Your statement about our struggles in Afghanistan does nothing to refute my points about our military power. And again, you should be glad. You seem to welcome our decline but I’d say you may want to be careful what you wish for.

KyleAaron
04-30-2018, 06:17 AM
The fish can't see the water.

The perspective of someone outside your country is a useful thing. This is one of the benefits of not being a superpower, there's less room for self-deceit. You'll figure it out in time.

jtaylor2010
04-30-2018, 06:30 AM
The fish can't see the water.

The perspective of someone outside your country is a useful thing. This is one of the benefits of not being a superpower, there's less room for self-deceit. You'll figure it out in time.

I’m interested in your perspective, but you seem pretty biased as evidenced by your refusal to give Trump any credit for the development in the Korean Peninsula despite even Moon himself praising him at basically every step.


I do wonder what kind of world you imagine when you think of China being the lone superpower instead of America. What do you think would be better and what do you think would be worse?

KyleAaron
05-01-2018, 06:43 PM
China won't be a superpower. It'll remain a great power.

A "great power", historically, was a country that couldn't be ignored in global affairs. If the US is thinking about invading Iraq, it has to worry what countries like France, the UK and Russia think. It doesn't have to worry what Belgium thinks. This is partly economic and military power, but it's also culture, since some countries like Japan choose not to act as great powers.

Great powers tend to balance each-other, so that if you get one on your side you're alright, even though the other opposes you.

A "superpower" is one which not only can't be ignored, but which in practice determines the fate of the world even acting alone. Britain was a superpower from probably 1815 to 1914, they could act with relative impunity. The Soviet Union was until it fell apart, and the US has been historically since 1945.

Russia is illustrative. Once the Soviet Union fell apart, Russia fell into a decline for a bit. The US as the sole remaining superpower could act with impunity. Thus the 1992 war with Iraq, the interventions against Serbia in Bosnia and later Kosovo, the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq once again, breaking old agreements like the ABM treaty and the agreement not to bring former Soviet states into NATO (cf Baltic states) and so on. Russia wasn't even a Great Power so the US could safely ignore them.

Now Russia's a great power once more - it has an economy and military that allow it to project power significantly, and it is willing to use them. And this is why Ukraine and Georgia did not become NATO members, and why Syria has not been bombed into oblivion.

The US will decline from superpower to great power. China won't become a superpower, we in the West have already used half the world's resources so there's not enough for fresh superpowers to monopolise. It will be more of what is known as a "multipolar" world. And that's most of history - no single country dominates, a few great powers carve up the world between them.

The main worry is that most countries (whether super, great or middling power) resist their decline by means of brutal wars. After 1945, Britain went more or less gracefully. Spain, the Netherlands, France and Portugal did not, leading to lengthy colonial conflicts and instability, coups and so on in those areas to this day. Russia is engaging in many small wars to try to improve its status. And the US is at war in no less than 7 countries right now. What else will the US do as even the elites (besides Trump) start realising the decline?

A drowning man is dangerous even to his rescuer.

JoocyMane13
05-02-2018, 12:10 AM
Theres a show called "The Project" which is a nightly current affairs show. They are very anti-trump and laugh at him regularly, but thats because theyre liberal as fk with the main host named Waleed who is an absolute stain on society. They do have the token conservative on there who backs trump alot, but they also make this guy to be a joke and a "grumpy old man". Sad really.

but overall id agree with the above sentiments. The aus media dont necessarily bash him, but kindve laugh off his antics but give credit where due at times. Andrew Bolt and Rita Panahi are very high level reporters in melbournes most commercial newspaper. They are both anti-sjw and pro trump so its actually refreshing that they are so prominent and credible.

Honestly the australian media spend ALOT of time laughing at americans in general. just a complete different take on life.

tk217
05-02-2018, 02:19 AM
every American I know and meet in London

London - yikes.