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JrM703
04-02-2017, 11:31 AM
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/03/30/obamas-final-economic-record-not-great.html



The U.S. economy may have grown faster than expected in the final three months of the year, at a pace of 2.1%, but that won’t do much to improve President Obama’s economic legacy. Including the latest Commerce Department figure, the average GDP growth rate during his tenure was about 1.5%. The only president with a worse economic record since 1930 is Herbert Hoover.

The national debt increased by $9.3 trillion during Obama’s tenure and the labor force participation rate declined by 3%, according to data from the Treasury Department and the U.S. Bureau of Labor statistics.



Cliffs:
-Debt doubled
-Labor Force Participation Declined 3%
-Employers cut full time jobs because of Obamacare, and part time jobs filled the gap
-Biggest boom to the economy was natural gas exploration, and Obama was ultimately anti-Oil & Gas Industry

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 11:32 AM
Shocking. Inb4 the shill brigade.

Postmort3m
04-02-2017, 11:36 AM
You mean to tell me a community organizer did a sh*t job as president?

brighamw
04-02-2017, 11:37 AM
Look over there...


RUSSIANS!!!

JrM703
04-02-2017, 11:38 AM
You mean to tell me a community organizer did a sh*t job as president?

...but, but, but Acorn was really good at voter fraud bro!

dabbmw2002
04-02-2017, 11:39 AM
Another Keynesian failure. Shocking.

Audioslave
04-02-2017, 11:52 AM
No, he didn't make it perfect or even great but we didn't go into a depression, which makes it good in my opinion. Considering that the housing crisis/recession caused suppressed investing and wages and the value of the dollar has increased and cause lower international demand for US products. So, you can make the argument that it is pretty surprising the economy grew at all and didn't sink into a depression.

BioDiver
04-02-2017, 11:55 AM
For those who will cry foul at the Fox News bias:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/15/grading-the-obama-economy-by-the-numbers.html

You know it's bad when the best CNBC has to say is "he showed no significant changes from the natural growth trends."


Another Keynesian failure. Shocking.

Anyone who's read a history book or taken a basic economics course would have seen this coming. Of course, most liberals can't hack real math and choose to ignore the history they don't like.

Maestro
04-02-2017, 12:03 PM
Anyone who's read a history book or taken a basic economics course would have seen this coming. Of course, most liberals can't hack real math and choose to ignore the history they don't like.

Or perhaps they realize it, but lightly gloss over it and try to ignore it because obama is on their "team" much like trump supporters gloss over every wacky thing he's done since his inauguration.

Streetbull
04-02-2017, 12:06 PM
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/03/30/obamas-final-economic-record-not-great.html



The U.S. economy may have grown faster than expected in the final three months of the year, at a pace of 2.1%, but that won’t do much to improve President Obama’s economic legacy. Including the latest Commerce Department figure, the average GDP growth rate during his tenure was about 1.5%. The only president with a worse economic record since 1930 is Herbert Hoover.

The national debt increased by $9.3 trillion during Obama’s tenure and the labor force participation rate declined by 3%, according to data from the Treasury Department and the U.S. Bureau of Labor statistics.



Cliffs:
-Debt doubled
-Labor Force Participation Declined 3%
-Employers cut full time jobs because of Obamacare, and part time jobs filled the gap
-Biggest boom to the economy was natural gas exploration, and Obama was ultimately anti-Oil & Gas Industry

Credit card binge by Obama and all we got was this lousy 1.5% growth...and the libs celebrate the 'Obama Economy'. Now when TSHTF they will blame Trump.

Seriously, the only way out is a Jubilee (all debt is cancelled), followed by a rock solid balanced budget amendment. This could only happen after an outright collapse so until then all we get is this at best.

OPGenesis
04-02-2017, 12:08 PM
Thanks Obama!

nutsy54
04-02-2017, 12:09 PM
No, he didn't make it perfect or even great but we didn't go into a depression, which makes it good in my opinion.
The economy was already improving by early 2009, before any "Obama" policies took effect, so there's no reason to believe we were headed to a Depression. Instead, we got eight years of results far worse than what he claimed we should expect.

BioDiver
04-02-2017, 12:13 PM
Or perhaps they realize it, but lightly gloss over it and try to ignore it because obama is on their "team" much like trump supporters gloss over every wacky thing he's done since his inauguration.

Both men certainly have their cults of personality. I really wish the parties would start doing what's best for the American people rather than make their parties more powerful and/or "beat the other guys."


The economy was already improving by early 2009, before any "Obama" policies took effect, so there's no reason to believe we were headed to a Depression. Instead, we got eight years of results far worse than what he claimed we should expect.

In addition, if you look at the CNBC article I linked to you'll see that all of Obama's "growth" was the result of natural trends that have been occurring since the 70s, with the only significant gains being debt, spending, and slowed job growth.

AlienUnseen
04-02-2017, 12:14 PM
I wonder what the racist cuckservatives will say when Trump is impeached and the Economy and national debt is at apocalyptic levels.

Audioslave
04-02-2017, 12:17 PM
The economy was already improving by early 2009, before any "Obama" policies took effect, so there's no reason to believe we were headed to a Depression. Instead, we got eight years of results far worse than what he claimed we should expect.

The 2009 stimulus bill that was passed only a few weeks of him being in office made a significant impact from preventing the US economy from shrinking. Did he deliver everything he promised? No. Did he make the economy perfect? No. But you can make the argument it was reasonably managed under the circumstances.

brighamw
04-02-2017, 12:21 PM
I wonder what the racist cuckservatives will say when Trump is impeached and the Economy and national debt is at apocalyptic levels.

Still going with that huh?

nutsy54
04-02-2017, 12:21 PM
I wonder what the racist cuckservatives will say when Trump is impeached and the Economy and national debt is at apocalyptic levels.
When you can't address facts, just call everyone a racist, then make up a fictional future....

untouchabledfx
04-02-2017, 12:23 PM
I wonder what the racist cuckservatives will say when Trump is impeached and the Economy and national debt is at apocalyptic levels.

Right....

RedPolo
04-02-2017, 12:23 PM
I wonder what the racist cuckservatives will say when Trump is impeached and the Economy and national debt is at apocalyptic levels.

Nice cope.

nutsy54
04-02-2017, 12:28 PM
The 2009 stimulus bill that was passed only a few weeks of him being in office made a significant impact from preventing the US economy from shrinking. Did he deliver everything he promised? No. Did he make the economy perfect? No. But you can make the argument it was reasonably managed under the circumstances.
The majority of Stimulus Bill spending & policies didn't kick in until months/years later, after GDP had already started to improve. Meanwhile, unemployment changes ended up far worse than the White House told us we'd see as a result of that bill.

Streetbull
04-02-2017, 12:30 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2017/03/30/money-borrowed-buy-stocks-hits-record/99808028/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-sqAGRtMwfrWqZbHo6euCwQ

What happens when the loans need to be repaid?

AlienUnseen
04-02-2017, 12:34 PM
When you can't address facts, just call everyone a racist, then make up a fictional future....

I have already established that you hate Obama purely due to him being Black of African and European Descent. So yes you cuckservatives are racist

No need to address facts, that have repeated themselves over and over every four years.

Since the 1980's the National Debt has been increasing under every single President whether Republicucks or Democraps. The trend started with your fellow cuckservative Phaggot President Reagan.

So when someone decides to hate a President due to the national debt. I instantly laugh at them because if you didn't complain about the deficit during Reagan, Bush I and Bush 2 (cuckservatives), but only complain about the deficit when it's Clinton and Obama (Democrap) then you are Fuking full chit and you are a racist phaggot.

RogerSterling
04-02-2017, 12:34 PM
inb4 a bunch of idiots start pretending to be economists. lol at caring about national debt, lol at not understanding what "labor force participation" means, just lol.

MattBro95
04-02-2017, 12:37 PM
Well would you look at that, Keynesian economics produces more disappointment.

EctoCanuck
04-02-2017, 12:44 PM
Cliffs:
-Debt doubled

The debt doubled because the borrow and spend Republicans left Obama with $8 trillion in debt plus a $1 trillion bill to repair the great Republican Recession.



-Labor Force Participation Declined 3%

The first of the BabyBoomers turned 65 in 2011 and are retiring at a rate of 10,000 per day,365 days a year,for the next 15-20 years.



-Employers cut full time jobs because of Obamacare, and part time jobs filled the gap

Wrong!There are more fulltime jobs today than at anytime in US history.....

http://i.imgur.com/PdJGJJC.png

And the wage they earn is at an all time high.....

http://i.imgur.com/HcwZVgP.jpg





-Biggest boom to the economy was natural gas exploration, and Obama was ultimately anti-Oil & Gas Industry

http://i.imgur.com/NxmYiLH.jpg

Sooooooooooo,you're telling us that the Republicans love oil so much that oil production declined while they had the White House and it grew because Obama hated it?

You're a very special snowflake aren't you?

jtaylor2010
04-02-2017, 12:50 PM
It blows my mind that there are people who look at his record and say it was anything other than horrible.

nutsy54
04-02-2017, 12:53 PM
Yawn.... and Ecto reminds us he still knows nothing about US Government or our federal budget process (and refuses to learn) :rolleyes:

Derp, still pretending four years of a Pelosi-Reid, Democrat majority Congress was "Republicans". Still thinks Presidents directly control everything in the country, instantly starting the day they take office (well, only the things that make Obama look good with cherry-picked data and deceptive graphs).

superiorlogic
04-02-2017, 12:55 PM
In for ectocuck COPE

StoliFun
04-02-2017, 12:58 PM
Thanks, Obama.

SillieBazzillie
04-02-2017, 12:58 PM
It blows my mind that there are people who look at his record and say it was anything other than horrible.

It's nuts how people forget just how seriously the world economy was when Obummer took over. Banks were not giving loans, credit dried up, and money was pulled out of circulation. And for those of you "less' schooled in economics, the circulation of money and availability of credit drives the economic engine of the modern world. Without his influence both GM and Chrysler would be gone. The US would essentially have one major car company. Take a look at how the rest of the 1st world countries grew during the same time period and tell me how bad Obummer was.

Obummer not perfect but far from a disaster or not being able to say anything but it was horrible.

RIKTER
04-02-2017, 01:07 PM
Reported OP for racism.

Peter Ruby
04-02-2017, 01:12 PM
It's nuts how people forget just how seriously the world economy was when Obummer took over. Banks were not giving loans, credit dried up, and money was pulled out of circulation. And for those of you "less' schooled in economics, the circulation of money and availability of credit drives the economic engine of the modern world. Without his influence both GM and Chrysler would be gone. The US would essentially have one major car company. Take a look at how the rest of the 1st world countries grew during the same time period and tell me how bad Obummer was.

Obummer not perfect but far from a disaster or not being able to say anything but it was horrible.

GM should have been allowed to go under for how badly they were run. Yes, I realize how that would affect things, but that doesn't change the fact that they needed our money to restructure a poorly run company. Doing even get me started on the banks....Theure nothing but thieves.

ZantaKlaus
04-02-2017, 01:18 PM
Another Keynesian failure. Shocking.


Well would you look at that, Keynesian economics produces more disappointment.


Kenyan*

MNGA1
04-02-2017, 01:25 PM
Why make this a partisan issue? Economy went straight in the garbage during Bush Jr's reign as well. Clinton inflated the dot.com bubble, then came 9/11 and Greenspan inflated the housing bubble, economy tanked and now under Obama there has been anemic growth and the bubble is bigger than ever. This IS NOT a partisan issue. Capitalism has simply matured to the point where the only growth comes from financialization of capital and blowing up asset bubbles.

My guess is that before the end of Trumps first term this gigantic bubble is gonna pop and then Trump will be blamed, paving the way for socialism in America. I do not understand why he is taking credit for the stock market rallying and the jobs numbers.

He should have distanced himself from it and pointed out like he did in the first debate that this is a phony economy and that entitlement/spending cuts/debt reduction is necessary and will be painful. Instead he is taking credit while kicking the can down the road and now liberals will blame the next crisis on his deregulations and tax cuts.

meenman83
04-02-2017, 01:26 PM
I have already established that you hate Obama purely due to him being Black of African and European Descent. So yes you cuckservatives are racist

No need to address facts, that have repeated themselves over and over every four years.

Since the 1980's the National Debt has been increasing under every single President whether Republicucks or Democraps. The trend started with your fellow cuckservative Phaggot President Reagan.

So when someone decides to hate a President due to the national debt. I instantly laugh at them because if you didn't complain about the deficit during Reagan, Bush I and Bush 2 (cuckservatives), but only complain about the deficit when it's Clinton and Obama (Democrap) then you are Fuking full chit and you are a racist phaggot.

Your sig says USMC, yet you failed to see Obama fuked every branch of the military, cut TA, cut GI Bill, cut COLA, cut funding for equipment, cut Housing allowance, cut Dependent care facilities, cut VA funding, let VA fuk ups slide, gave out lowest pay raises in the history, cut manpower yet tripled the Ops Tempo with a 4 front war....yes you are oh so knowledgeable, rot slow phaggot.

AlienUnseen
04-02-2017, 01:28 PM
The honorable president Barack Hussein obama was the best president this country has had.

The worst president this nation have is in office right now. I wish obama had become a dictator.

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 01:45 PM
The honorable president Barack Hussein obama was the best president this country has had.

The worst president this nation have is in office right now. I wish obama had become a dictator.

With this statement, it's pretty obvious the only one keeping you green is iceman.

I'm also especially fond of you faking military service, apparently that's OK here now.

nutsy54
04-02-2017, 01:53 PM
I have already established that you hate Obama purely due to him being Black of African and European Descent.
Making a baseless claim doesn't mean you "established" anything other than your own need to segregate Obama into a special category based on his skin color. This thread was started on economic facts which have nothing to do with anyone's appearance.


So when someone decides to hate a President due to the national debt. I instantly laugh at them because if you didn't complain about the deficit during Reagan, Bush I and Bush 2 (cuckservatives), but only complain about the deficit when it's Clinton and Obama (Democrap) then you are Fuking full chit and you are a racist phaggot.
So, we should ignore the massive debt explosion under Obama (the guy who campaigned AGAINST deficits and debt) because of his skin color?

This thread is about Obama's results in office - not Reagan, Bush, Bush, Clinton, or whoever else you want to distract to. (But it's rather confusing that you also claim it's "racist" to criticize Clinton :D)

I've criticized Bush's deficit spending, and Obama's deficit spending... so that makes me a racist. Wow.

IBench5Pounds
04-02-2017, 02:42 PM
The economy was already improving by early 2009, before any "Obama" policies took effect, so there's no reason to believe we were headed to a Depression. Instead, we got eight years of results far worse than what he claimed we should expect.

double dip recessions are pretty common place bro

SillieBazzillie
04-02-2017, 03:45 PM
The economy was already improving by early 2009, before any "Obama" policies took effect, so there's no reason to believe we were headed to a Depression. Instead, we got eight years of results far worse than what he claimed we should expect.

Improving as in it didn't crater maybe. I work in finance and remember that time well. Small and medium businesses were failing left and right because their lines of credit with the banks had dried up. Companies couldn't expand because banks wouldn't lend. But keep telling yourself it was "getting better."

Phuking such revisionist, partisan history is so intellectually dishonest.

The truth is that Obama inherited a **** show that came out of the recession at a slower rate than normal due to a number of different factors. He did increase the debt bigly and he wasn't very business friendly. Those are on him. But let's stop with the whole, Obummer was the worst...

RougeProdigy
04-02-2017, 03:53 PM
Obama was also dealing with the worst recession since Hoover. The entire globe almost fell into a deep recession, largely the cause of trickle down economics. Things weren't pretty.

fitnessislife
04-02-2017, 04:04 PM
I have already established that you hate Obama purely due to him being Black of African and European Descent. So yes you cuckservatives are racist

In order to establish something, you usually need some kind of factual evidence to support your claims. Of course, you have none.


No need to address facts

Unfortunately, your entire posting history is based around that phenomenon.

bking10
04-02-2017, 04:10 PM
Sometimes I wonder where all that money he printed went. Like, how can you blow trillions of $$ and have nothing to show for it. He's lucky he's the celebrity president. Because not only did he fail miserably as a president but he decimated his party. But somehow he's seen as a god figure to democrats

fitnessislife
04-02-2017, 04:15 PM
Sometimes I wonder where all that money he printed went. Like, how can you blow trillions of $$ and have nothing to show for it. He's lucky he's the celebrity president. Because not only did he fail miserably as a president but he decimated his party. But somehow he's seen as a god figure to democrats

Careful. Ecto will soon arrive to tell you Obama was the first President in modern history to NOT request and sign spending bills into law.

AlienUnseen
04-02-2017, 04:17 PM
With this statement, it's pretty obvious the only one keeping you green is iceman.

I'm also especially fond of you faking military service, apparently that's OK here now.

I'll just leave this here. Also show me where is yours? You didn't serve my beloved country uh, phaggot? Anti American phaggots.

http://i.imgur.com/kGdma6O.jpg

RougeProdigy
04-02-2017, 04:17 PM
Sometimes I wonder where all that money he printed went. Like, how can you blow trillions of $$ and have nothing to show for it. He's lucky he's the celebrity president. Because not only did he fail miserably as a president but he decimated his party. But somehow he's seen as a god figure to democrats
A lot of money was for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. War ain't free, despite what you may have heard from Bush.

And it also isn't free to rescue the economy from the worst recession since the Great Depression. Without the stimulus we would have absolutely gone into recession.

SillieBazzillie
04-02-2017, 04:19 PM
Sometimes I wonder where all that money he printed went. Like, how can you blow trillions of $$ and have nothing to show for it. He's lucky he's the celebrity president. Because not only did he fail miserably as a president but he decimated his party. But somehow he's seen as a god figure to democrats

While I obviously disagree that he failed miserably as a president there is a nugget of truth in what you've posted. Obummer was very good at getting Obummer elected, the lower ticket of his party, not so much.

IMHO this is the most valid and significant criticism of Obummer.

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 04:27 PM
I'll just leave this here. Also show me where is yours? You didn't serve my beloved country uh, phaggot? Anti American phaggots.

http://i.imgur.com/kGdma6O.jpg

There is no way to identify that as yours Lmao.

With that said, I'm not too hung up about not serving especially since it looks like it's gone soft since the old days if you're the product. I remember when the military made a man out people srs. You're a disgrace.

albeezy512
04-02-2017, 04:28 PM
We will be doing much better when we reduce taxes on the wealthy and let their money trickle down to us

AlienUnseen
04-02-2017, 04:42 PM
There is no way to identify that as yours Lmao.

With that said, I'm not too hung up about not serving especially since it looks like it's gone soft since the old days if you're the product. I remember when the military made a man out people srs. You're a disgrace.


wow... I understand trolling for fun and whatever, but that's not cool.

You can call me a fake Marine or a disgrace all you want, but that was wrong to address our beloved U.S Military as being soft. There are a lot of people who love our country and decided to put their lives and health on the line. I have friends who came home in a casket or with body parts missing, or mentally fuked up.

In all seriousness, You crossed the line phaggot. I'm ignoring you.

nutsy54
04-02-2017, 04:47 PM
A lot of money was for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. War ain't free, despite what you may have heard from Bush.
Wow, finally an Obama supporter who admits he continued and expanded those wars, instead of ending them as promised/implied ;)

Meanwhile... less than 10% of the debt increase (and far less than that of total federal spending) went to Obama's wars.


And it also isn't free to rescue the economy from the worst recession since the Great Depression. Without the stimulus we would have absolutely gone into recession.
Wut? The economy was already recovering from a recession by the time his spending-spree policies went into effect.

SillieBazzillie
04-02-2017, 04:48 PM
There is no way to identify that as yours Lmao.

With that said, I'm not too hung up about not serving especially since it looks like it's gone soft since the old days if you're the product. I remember when the military made a man out people srs. You're a disgrace.

You're pretty damn judgmental for someone's who's clearly had issues (according to your sig). You calling our military "soft" and saying someone else is a disgrace? Really? Time to step away for a bit bro, you've become completely unhinged.

AlienUnseen
04-02-2017, 04:53 PM
You're pretty damn judgmental for someone's who's clearly had issues (according to your sig). You calling our military "soft" and saying someone else is a disgrace? Really? Time to step away for a bit bro, you've become completely unhinged.

Seriously, he took that way too far.

Even Nutsy54, no matter how much I disagree with his political views, I still respect him just for the fact he has Navy Marine Corps Team in his Profile. He actually rates an opinion, even though he is soft and can't take someone else's opposing opinion and negs for it.

I still respect the phaggot, because he served our country in some capacity. I will never diss him or anyone else for their service to our great country.

FUk Rayzor84. I put him on my ignore list. Trolling or no trolling, that's too far.

StoliFun
04-02-2017, 05:06 PM
There is no way to identify that as yours Lmao.

With that said, I'm not too hung up about not serving especially since it looks like it's gone soft since the old days if you're the product. I remember when the military made a man out people srs. You're a disgrace.


++Positive Crew++

Shirley...

nutsy54
04-02-2017, 05:08 PM
Dear AlienUnseen,

You don't get negged for an "opposing opinion". You get negged for making disgusting, baseless accusations that someone is RACIST because they criticize President Obama based on factual evidence and results during his administration.

dhawkeye1980
04-02-2017, 05:10 PM
Obama was also dealing with the worst recession since Hoover. The entire globe almost fell into a deep recession, largely the cause of trickle down economics. Things weren't pretty.

You can thanks ole bill clinton for that btw.

Peter Ruby
04-02-2017, 05:25 PM
We will be doing much better when we reduce taxes on the wealthy and let their money trickle down to us

I see what you did there.

Peter Ruby
04-02-2017, 05:26 PM
You can thanks ole bill clinton for that btw.

Bush also had a lot to do with it. In fact, it was building up for a long time before it went "pop!"

PSToolman
04-02-2017, 05:28 PM
I have already established that you hate Obama purely due to him being Black of African and European Descent. So yes you cuckservatives are racist

No need to address facts, that have repeated themselves over and over every four years.

Since the 1980's the National Debt has been increasing under every single President whether Republicucks or Democraps. The trend started with your fellow cuckservative Phaggot President Reagan.

So when someone decides to hate a President due to the national debt. I instantly laugh at them because if you didn't complain about the deficit during Reagan, Bush I and Bush 2 (cuckservatives), but only complain about the deficit when it's Clinton and Obama (Democrap) then you are Fuking full chit and you are a racist phaggot.

Nutsy may be a lot of things, but I honestly don't think he hates Obama because he's black. I think he has other invalid reasons for hating him, and maybe some that are valid, but not that.

Rockhard44
04-02-2017, 05:31 PM
Gingrich doesn't call him the food stamp president for no reason

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 05:36 PM
wow... I understand trolling for fun and whatever, but that's not cool.

You can call me a fake Marine or a disgrace all you want, but that was wrong to address our beloved U.S Military as being soft. There are a lot of people who love our country and decided to put their lives and health on the line. I have friends who came home in a casket or with body parts missing, or mentally fuked up.

In all seriousness, You crossed the line phaggot. I'm ignoring you.

You make constant chit posts that rival the intelligence levels of our closest animal ancestors. And yeah, I made that statement because I've never known someone to come out of the military and be as soft or as stupid as you are. So either you're lying, or your a really, really special kind of person who should never be armed.

I love the military, have friends and family who served, in war. That's why you being the product of the same organization is disgraceful, I've never seen anything like the level of degeneracy you display from any other serviceman. You're a fraud, and I take thst seriously. Ignore me you lying phaggot troll.

infinit
04-02-2017, 05:39 PM
Wut? The economy was already recovering from a recession by the time his spending-spree policies went into effect.

The US came out of recession in Q3 09. The fast rate at which the US recovered over the next couple of years was heavily assisted by Obama's fiscal and monetary policy. It's not even really an argument.

nutsy54
04-02-2017, 05:41 PM
The US came out of recession in Q3 09. The fast rate at which the US recovered over the next couple of years was heavily assisted by Obama's fiscal and monetary policy. It's not even really an argument.
A. That "fast rate" was far below what Obama told us his policies would deliver
B. That "fast rate" is disproven by the statistics cited in OP
C. Q3 09 was less than six months into the Obama administration

SillieBazzillie
04-02-2017, 05:43 PM
A. That "fast rate" was far below what Obama told us his policies would deliver
B. That "fast rate" is disproven by the statistics cited in OP
C. Q3 09 was less than six months into the Obama administration

Much as this pains me I have to agree with Nutso. The recovery was a slow burn impacted by working class job loss overseas. Great for corporations (as evidenced by the stock market) but not great for working class Americans.

Halfway
04-02-2017, 05:49 PM
The US came out of recession in Q3 09. The fast rate at which the US recovered over the next couple of years was heavily assisted by Obama's fiscal and monetary policy. It's not even really an argument.

QE was basically backdoor devaluing our currency to the tune of 12+ trillion dollars in order to give the richest people in the country free money.

The Fed has said it can't afford to do any more QE and Trump is against it, but who knows - we may continue the Obama Economic Miracle long beyond his Glorious presidency

infinit
04-02-2017, 05:50 PM
A. That "fast rate" was far below what Obama told us his policies would deliver
B. That "fast rate" is disproven by the statistics cited in OP
C. Q3 09 was less than six months into the Obama administration

Except that there are a vast array of articles from outlets taken seriously in the financial community that give far better insights and more interesting analysis of the data. Simply comparing his growth and unemployment rate to other President's is a pretty dumb piece of analysis on its own.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-09-06/how-obama-s-economic-record-stacks-up
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-19/ranking-the-obama-economy
https://www.ft.com/content/797e8d4c-d778-11e6-944b-e7eb37a6aa8e
https://www.ft.com/content/80eba96a-0169-11e6-ac98-3c15a1aa2e62

infinit
04-02-2017, 05:53 PM
QE was basically devaluing our currency to the tune of 12+ trillion dollars in order to give the richest people in the country free money.

The Fed has said it can't afford to do any more QE and Trump is against it, but who knows - we may continue the Obama Economic Miracle long beyond his Glorious presidency

I work in an investment bank with an economics degree, I know all about QE. It didn't turn out to be quite as potent as some hoped for a variety of reasons. The Fed doesn't need to be doing any QE currently and I don't know of anyone who is suggesting they should be at this current time?

HELIX35
04-02-2017, 05:53 PM
There is no way to identify that as yours Lmao.

With that said, I'm not too hung up about not serving especially since it looks like it's gone soft since the old days if you're the product. I remember when the military made a man out people srs. You're a disgrace.

Says the armchair warrior chicken****

I don't think I've ever seen such a gutless pussy as you in my life

C Project
04-02-2017, 05:53 PM
You make constant chit posts that rival the intelligence levels of our closest animal ancestors. And yeah, I made that statement because I've never known someone to come out of the military and be as soft or as stupid as you are. So either you're lying, or your a really, really special kind of person who should never be armed.

I love the military, have friends and family who served, in war. That's why you being the product of the same organization is disgraceful, I've never seen anything like the level of degeneracy you display from any other serviceman. You're a fraud, and I take thst seriously. Ignore me you lying phaggot troll.

Meh, a lot of people I know from the military are chill, lazy, uninspired, duplicitous, etc. Doesn't mean they're bad people or unfit for the military. Just different personalities.

You're not that old, so I doubt you were enlisted in the days of the military that "made men", whatever the **** that means. Different strokes, bro. You called him on bull****, he posted a picture, you said there wasn't any way to prove it... What did you expect, his address, credit cards, and social security?

This section has gone to ****e. We can't just stick to "lol shut up bitch". You have to dig a knife in someone and completely discredit them or destroy their world.

Positive Crew? Change your sig. You're the disgrace.




On topic of this thread, didn't the Federal Reserve gut the interest rate or some **** during Oblama's Presidency?

I forget which side of the coin we're on now, does the president control the economy? I can't remember with all the flip flopping.

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 05:56 PM
Meh, a lot of people I know from the military are chill, lazy, uninspired, duplicitous, etc. Doesn't mean they're bad people or unfit for the military. Just different personalities.

You're not that old, so I doubt you were enlisted in the days of the military that "made men", whatever the **** that means. Different strokes, bro. You called him on bull****, he posted a picture, you said there wasn't any way to prove it... What did you expect, his address, credit cards, and social security?

This section has gone to ****e. We can't just stick to "lol shut up bitch". You have to dig a knife in someone and completely discredit them or destroy their world.

Positive Crew? Change your sig. You're the disgrace.

Father in Vietnam, bro in Iraq. And lol of calling someone out on inconsistencies is "destroying their world", didn't mean to trigger sensitive snowflakes so hard LOL. Go right ahead and live in your made up fantasy land.

C Project
04-02-2017, 05:57 PM
Father in Vietnam, bro in Iraq. Suck my dk shill.

Shill? Lol.

The accomplishments of your father and brother aren't yours.

My family also served, but I don't use it as a tool to insult others.

We should all get along <3 srs

HELIX35
04-02-2017, 06:02 PM
Father in Vietnam, bro in Iraq. And lol of calling someone out on inconsistencies is "destroying their world", didn't mean to trigger sensitive snowflakes so hard LOL. Go right ahead and live in your made up fantasy land.

Your relatives accomplishments aren't yours you ****ing pathetic coward

They would ****ing be ashamed of you if they ever saw your posts

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 06:04 PM
Shill? Lol.

The accomplishments of your father and brother aren't yours.

My family also served, but I don't use it as a tool to insult others.

We should all get along <3 srs

I never claimed their accomplishments, not once itt.

I made a direct comparison. And that's just people in my family who served. That dude wants to spread anti American propaganda and call everyone fascists and racists but it's wrong to point out that thst doesn't exactly line up with military service? I could see if he got dishonorably discharged he would be mad, otherwise it doesn't make sense.

I don't typically have problems with people here on thst level, this section is lulz and articles. But sometimes you get that one autist, his post history speaks for itself.

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 06:05 PM
Your relatives accomplishments aren't yours you ****ing pathetic coward

They would ****ing be ashamed of you if they ever saw your posts

No one takes you seriously here, not sure why u waste your time srs

HELIX35
04-02-2017, 06:09 PM
No one takes you seriously here, not sure why u waste your time srs

Sweet jesus the irony, you're like a dancing monkey that we all laugh at

Nice deflection though you pathetic coward. Please tell me more from your armchair

infinit
04-02-2017, 06:10 PM
Much as this pains me I have to agree with Nutso. The recovery was a slow burn impacted by working class job loss overseas. Great for corporations (as evidenced by the stock market) but not great for working class Americans.

Manual and low-skilled job losses to overseas is part and parcel of being an advanced economy. The idea that you can somehow stop that is a fallacy.

If you think the recovery was a slow burn, lower Govermental spending and lack of fiscal action would have made it even slower. They could have reduced spending like the UK did, the UK took longer to come out of the recession and UK Government Debt to GDP went up regardless because lower tax reciepts from reduced levels of governmental spend offset large chunks of the cuts you make anyway. The idea that there was any way out of the situation that would today have the US growing at 5% with amazingly low unemployment is simply not reality.

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 06:11 PM
Sweet jesus the irony, you're like a dancing monkey that we all laugh at

Nice deflection though you pathetic coward. Please tell me more from your armchair

Nice to see u taking an interest in the military tho. Guess some good came out of this, I got a skanky lib to support the troops.

HELIX35
04-02-2017, 06:13 PM
Nice to see u taking an interest in the military tho. Guess some good came out of this, I got a skanky lib to support the troops.

Are you literally retarded? I am a United States Marine Corps combat veteran. You are a spineless armchair warrior.

You try to label people because they hurt your feefees, all the while hiding behind the accomplishments of others

You are digging yourself in deep here coward

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 06:14 PM
Are you literally retarded? I am a United States Marine Corps combat veteran

You meanwhile try to label people because they hurt your feefees, all the while hiding behind the accomplishments of others

You are digging yourself in deep here coward

Seems like you're the one with hurt feelings bro, chiming in full force mad as fuk. Cream puff status.

HELIX35
04-02-2017, 06:15 PM
And the spineless coward is triggered

Go hide in your safe space behind your daddy and brother

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 06:16 PM
And the spineless coward is triggered

Go hide in your safe space behind your daddy and brother

Yeah, I'm triggered :rolleyes: soft as hell.

HELIX35
04-02-2017, 06:17 PM
Lmao keep digging

This is too easy

SillieBazzillie
04-02-2017, 06:17 PM
Nice to see u taking an interest in the military tho. Guess some good came out of this, I got a skanky lib to support the troops.

So now you're suggesting no libs support the military? WTF is wrong with you kid? Just STFU and crawl away.

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 06:22 PM
So now you're suggesting no libs support the military? WTF is wrong with you kid? Just STFU and crawl away.

You'll always be a chit poster.

As for helix, C, and alien, I want to apologize. None of this was called for. Im not projecting others accomplishments. My pride in them strung me out, and it was misdirected. So, sorry folks, neg if u want.

KingKringe
04-02-2017, 06:27 PM
I wonder what the racist cuckservatives will say when Trump is impeached and the Economy and national debt is at apocalyptic levels.

lmao at this libcuck resorting to liberal retort 101: call everyone a racists and making chit up.

SillieBazzillie
04-02-2017, 06:30 PM
You'll always be a chit poster.

As for helix, C, and alien, I want to apologize. None of this was called for. Im not projecting others accomplishments. My pride in them strung me out, and it was misdirected. So, sorry folks, neg if u want.

lol, douche bag who called out the military as soft calling me a chit poster. I laugh at you phuking pathetic douche.

Rayzor84
04-02-2017, 06:31 PM
lol, douche bag who called out the military as soft calling me a chit poster. I laugh at you phuking douche.

Correction, I called out one person. You can't read, which is why you earned your title lol

SillieBazzillie
04-02-2017, 06:33 PM
Correction, I called out one person. You can't read, which is why you earned your title lol

god damn you're dumb. Re-read our own posts tard. No wonder you're approaching middle age and still don't have a career.

meenman83
04-02-2017, 06:56 PM
wow... I understand trolling for fun and whatever, but that's not cool.

You can call me a fake Marine or a disgrace all you want, but that was wrong to address our beloved U.S Military as being soft. There are a lot of people who love our country and decided to put their lives and health on the line. I have friends who came home in a casket or with body parts missing, or mentally fuked up.

In all seriousness, You crossed the line phaggot. I'm ignoring you.

I beg to differ if you loved Obama and where active duty at the time you where a softy, hate to break it to you boyo but he fuked us service members over and made HORRIBLE fuking decisions. Anyone that's deployed multiple times have seen horrific **** or might have done horrific **** but if you truly did see or do those horrific things you don't speak about it openly especially when you're trying to justify a horrible president.

meenman83
04-02-2017, 07:02 PM
lol, douche bag who called out the military as soft calling me a chit poster. I laugh at you phuking pathetic douche.

He didn't call out the entire military reading comprehension not even once! For being a MD (if that's even what your md means under your name) I sure as chit hope youre not a fuking surgeron as you'd be the last person I would want touching anyone with a scalpel. You're an old douche and always post kooky chit on this sub forum.

Peter Ruby
04-02-2017, 07:10 PM
lmao at this libcuck resorting to liberal retort 101: call everyone a racists and making chit up.

Yeah I'm getting pretty tired of the constant accusations of being a racist because I voted for Trump. The second I read that in any post, I instantly disregard anything they're saying. Its always when they have no factual evidence to aid their argument that they start with the racist bullsh!t. This subsection is becoming a cesspool of absolute childish idiocy.

PSToolman
04-02-2017, 07:26 PM
Yeah I'm getting pretty tired of the constant accusations of being a racist because I voted for Trump. The second I read that in any post, I instantly disregard anything they're saying. Its always when they have no factual evidence to aid their argument that they start with the racist bullsh!t. This subsection is becoming a cesspool of absolute childish idiocy.

"Becoming"?

Peter Ruby
04-02-2017, 07:31 PM
"Becoming"?

Touché. You know what I mean though. It's getting to the point where it's nearly impossible to have an intelligent discussion.

SillieBazzillie
04-02-2017, 07:57 PM
He didn't call out the entire military reading comprehension not even once! For being a MD (if that's even what your md means under your name) I sure as chit hope youre not a fuking surgeron as you'd be the last person I would want touching anyone with a scalpel. You're an old douche and always post kooky chit on this sub forum.

"With that said, I'm not too hung up about not serving especially since it looks like it's gone soft since the old days if you're the product."

What do you think it's refers to if not the military? And I'm not an MD dip**** I'm from Maryland. Strike 2!

FIREnICE
04-02-2017, 08:42 PM
wow... I understand trolling for fun and whatever, but that's not cool.

You can call me a fake Marine or a disgrace all you want, but that was wrong to address our beloved U.S Military as being soft. There are a lot of people who love our country and decided to put their lives and health on the line. I have friends who came home in a casket or with body parts missing, or mentally fuked up.

In all seriousness, You crossed the line phaggot. I'm ignoring you.


the only time liberals like you defend the military is when they can use it against others... like in this case... on a public forum.

you're a horrible troll btw. you lack wit. substance... tact

XterraRob
04-02-2017, 11:09 PM
"With that said, I'm not too hung up about not serving especially since it looks like it's gone soft since the old days if you're the product."

What do you think it's refers to if not the military? And I'm not an MD dip**** I'm from Maryland. Strike 2!

Old-Brah, what do you do in Finance?

SwollNMember
04-02-2017, 11:21 PM
What's sweet about this with all the Obama shills trying to make excuses, is that if the economy does take a dive, they won't be able to legitimately point fingers at Trump. :D

infinit
04-02-2017, 11:21 PM
What's sweet about this with all the Obama shills trying to make excuses, is that if the economy does take a dive, they won't be able to legitimately point fingers at Trump. :D

I'd love if you could explain that logic.

Atlas_Army
04-03-2017, 12:52 AM
They might as well cross out trumps name and put Obama's since trump inhereted those numbers. LMAOOOO. How good it must feel to becoming into a surging economy, trump says he got a mess but he should be saying. THANKS OBAMA.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8R8SYPW0AQS1zn.jpg:large

WrestlingLove
04-03-2017, 03:56 AM
Will tearing the wealthy down really build the poor up?

SillieBazzillie
04-03-2017, 06:04 AM
Old-Brah, what do you do in Finance?

Healthcare finance. Financial analysis kinds of stuff. Mergers & acquisitions, multi-year projections, business plans, that type of thing.

HoganIsGOAT
04-03-2017, 06:07 AM
Healthcare finance. Financial analysis kinds of stuff. Mergers & acquisitions, multi-year projections, business plans, that type of thing.

Ahh, so you know what a disaster ObamaCare is for doctors then. Nice!

zinkhan99
04-03-2017, 06:22 AM
They might as well cross out trumps name and put Obama's since trump inhereted those numbers. LMAOOOO. How good it must feel to becoming into a surging economy, trump says he got a mess but he should be saying. THANKS OBAMA.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8R8SYPW0AQS1zn.jpg:large

Lmao @ the mental gymnastics required to claim that Trump inherited consumer confidence.

infinit
04-03-2017, 06:54 AM
Lmao @ the mental gymnastics required to claim that Trump inherited consumer confidence.

There are a variety of consumer confidence indexes provided by a number of organisations that are done by some kind of survey. But you don't need to be Simon Kuznets to realise consumer confidence is far higher now than in Q1 09.

SillieBazzillie
04-03-2017, 08:12 AM
Ahh, so you know what a disaster ObamaCare is for doctors then. Nice!

ObamaCare didn't really impact physicians all that much. Their rates have been getting squeezed by Medicare for the last 10 years as a response to rising health cost (that's pre-ObamaCare for you math challenged). In fact, ObamaCare insured folks who weren't previously insured so physicians actually did better.

meenman83
04-03-2017, 09:02 AM
And I'm not an MD dip**** I'm from Maryland. Strike 2!

Strike 3 on you dip**** I said if that md even refers to a doctor, again your reading comprehension skills suck; Age: 49

AlienUnseen
04-03-2017, 10:19 AM
the only time liberals like you defend the military is when they can use it against others... like in this case... on a public forum.

you're a horrible troll btw. you lack wit. substance... tact

I'm an independent. I voted for bush, obama and trump. And I'm a Marine Corps veteran.

Nice troll attempt. Not everything is libs vs cuckservative.

I bet you are a phaggot too who never served your country.


And I'll say it again obama was the greatest president this nation had.

gixxer0.6g
04-03-2017, 10:32 AM
Something we've been saying for a long time. Anyone that actually works for a living didn't need these numbers to know that Obama was a disaster.

Rayzor84
04-03-2017, 10:36 AM
I'm an independent. I voted for bush, obama and trump. And I'm a Marine Corps veteran.

Nice troll attempt. Not everything is libs vs cuckservative.

I bet you are a phaggot too who never served your country.


And I'll say it again obama was the greatest president this nation had.

To be fair, serving your country doesn't mean it has to be through the military. There are countless ways to serve one's country, such as public health.

Why are you throwing service around like some ego badge? As someone else pointed out, it's clear you were never in combat and served at a desk...

AlienUnseen
04-03-2017, 03:03 PM
The ignore list is great but dumb at the same time. It does a great job of blocking the poster messages, but it still shows that they posted. That's annoying.

Mods should look for a solution.

Sinix
04-03-2017, 03:11 PM
Something we've been saying for a long time. Anyone that actually works for a living didn't need these numbers to know that Obama was a disaster.

A lot of liberals don't work.

As long as their entitlement is still coming in, what's the difference to them?

AlienUnseen
04-03-2017, 03:52 PM
A lot of liberals don't work.

As long as their entitlement is still coming in, what's the difference to them?

Most welfare recipients in my state are redneck republicans of European descent.

Stop perpetrating this false information about libcucks. You cuckservatives are fat and living off welfare too.

Qong
04-03-2017, 06:09 PM
The numbers aren't good.

The reality is that economically Americans are worse off now than they have been in generations. Baby Boomers right out of high school, heck Baby Boomers who didn't even go to or finish high school had jobs that paid the equivalent of today's $30-$35 an hour. They could all afford houses, cars, wives, children, vacations. How many Millennials are in that situation? Very few.

What's changed since then? Well we've doubled our population with foreigners to dilute and pollute our labor market and we've incentivized companies to hire foreigners and produce goods in foreign countries.

Obama did nothing to right that ship, in fact he made it worse.

SillieBazzillie
04-04-2017, 05:16 AM
The numbers aren't good.

The reality is that economically Americans are worse off now than they have been in generations. Baby Boomers right out of high school, heck Baby Boomers who didn't even go to or finish high school had jobs that paid the equivalent of today's $30-$35 an hour. They could all afford houses, cars, wives, children, vacations. How many Millennials are in that situation? Very few.

What's changed since then? Well we've doubled our population with foreigners to dilute and pollute our labor market and we've incentivized companies to hire foreigners and produce goods in foreign countries.

Obama did nothing to right that ship, in fact he made it worse.

You want a good paying job? Get an education. Simple as that.

HoganIsGOAT
04-04-2017, 05:31 AM
You want a good paying job? Get an education. Simple as that.

It takes more than an education to get a good paying job.

infinit
04-04-2017, 06:15 AM
It takes more than an education to get a good paying job.

It doesn't take more than a good education though. A big part of the problem is people make dumb choices when young. If you go and do an academic subject at a polytechnic you are probably less likely to get a good paying job than if you'd spent those years in a company getting experience and rising up or going and learning a trade. If you go to a well respected university for the subject you are studying and are not autistic you will not struggle to get a good paying job. The US is bigger than the UK so you can extraoplate the numbers up, but I would personally not have bothered going to university here unless it was in the top 10 nationwide for the subject I was studying. Anything else and it is simply not worth the costs of the years you could otherwise be gaining experience or other skills, but people fail to realise this.

HoganIsGOAT
04-04-2017, 06:21 AM
It doesn't take more than a good education though. A big part of the problem is people make dumb choices when young. If you go and do an academic subject at a polytechnic you are probably less likely to get a good paying job than if you'd spent those years in a company getting experience and rising up or going and learning a trade. If you go to a well respected university for the subject you are studying and are not autistic you will not struggle to get a good paying job. The US is bigger than the UK so you can extraoplate the numbers up, but I would personally not have bothered going to university here unless it was in the top 10 nationwide for the subject I was studying. Anything else and it is simply not worth the costs of the years you could otherwise be gaining experience or other skills, but people fail to realise this.

Age: 24 Location: United Kingdom

Love how these ****ers are experts on our country.

Mumra
04-04-2017, 06:24 AM
in for the liberal coping.

infinit
04-04-2017, 06:25 AM
Age: 24 Location: United Kingdom

Love how these ****ers are experts on our country.

It's not a country specific problem, many advanced economies are facing fairly similar conditions.

SillieBazzillie
04-04-2017, 07:23 AM
It takes more than an education to get a good paying job.

Please google unemployment for those with college degrees and get back to me.

Mumra
04-04-2017, 07:43 AM
look up "under employment" while you're at it. not going to get a job worth ish with a Women's Studies of Literature degree either. ;)

lsiberian
04-04-2017, 07:44 AM
The numbers aren't good.

The reality is that economically Americans are worse off now than they have been in generations. Baby Boomers right out of high school, heck Baby Boomers who didn't even go to or finish high school had jobs that paid the equivalent of today's $30-$35 an hour. They could all afford houses, cars, wives, children, vacations. How many Millennials are in that situation? Very few.

The reality is things have never been better. You're just viewing the past through rose colored glasses.

Are you still watching a 13" TV? Still using a landline phone? Still sending letters via mail to keep up with friends and family? Still driving a car without airbags that guzzles gas?

The reality is houses are bigger and nicer now. Cars are safer, nicer, faster and more efficient now. We have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Smartphones, Tablets, Xbox's, Playstations, Better Food, etc.

Don't buy into the lie that your life sucks when it's amazing. This is why we need politicians to stay out of the way of business and innovation.

Ten_Hearts
04-04-2017, 08:53 AM
look up "under employment" while you're at it. not going to get a job worth ish with a Women's Studies of Literature degree either. ;)


Gender and Enthic studies represent under 1% of conferred degrees. Business seems to be the most common major.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d15/tables/dt15_322.30.asp


For unemployment:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/figures/images/figure-cbc-3.gif


For Earnings:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/figures/images/figure-cba-4.png


For underemployment

https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff_reports/sr749.pdf?la=en

Mumra
04-04-2017, 08:57 AM
out earning all those jokers and I didn't finish college. income has less to do with the paper on your wall and more to do with the individual.

Mumra
04-04-2017, 08:58 AM
strictly speaking to low paying trade jobs. I know for a fact in Ga and TN that if you want a job you can have one tomorrow. construction in general is having such a hard time finding anyone to work it's silly. problem is no one wants to work when they can stay home and collect unemployment for just a few bucks less a week.

JrM703
04-04-2017, 09:03 AM
The reality is things have never been better. You're just viewing the past through rose colored glasses.

Are you still watching a 13" TV? Still using a landline phone? Still sending letters via mail to keep up with friends and family? Still driving a car without airbags that guzzles gas?

The reality is houses are bigger and nicer now. Cars are safer, nicer, faster and more efficient now. We have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Smartphones, Tablets, Xbox's, Playstations, Better Food, etc.

Don't buy into the lie that your life sucks when it's amazing. This is why we need politicians to stay out of the way of business and innovation.

Yes, 1950 was better than 1940, 1960 was better than 1950, and 1970 was better than 1960, and so on. Technological advances that make life more convenient than they have ever been, and we are still under 2.0% GDP Growth?

We have the largest middle class, most access to e-commerce, most mobile population, and yet we have to have 1/3 the population on some type of welfare, and $20 Trillion in debt...

...the human condition has devolved in the US while technology has evolved. They aren't mutually exclusive.

BRB Liberals trying to create an adversity free atmosphere, you wonder why we have so many mentally ill failures?

Life is adversity!

Ten_Hearts
04-04-2017, 09:04 AM
out earning all those jokers and I didn't finish college. income has less to do with the paper on your wall and more to do with the individual.

Certainly possible for one without a degree to do well. The earnings were medians I believe so half the individuals will be earning more than that number (half less). I recognize myself as doing very well too.


BTW nice lift stats.

jlick
04-04-2017, 09:18 AM
Strong name calling ITT. People who don't like obama aren't (all) racists, and not all liberals are whack-jobs/brainwashed.

SillieBazzillie
04-04-2017, 09:24 AM
Gender and Enthic studies represent under 1% of conferred degrees. Business seems to be the most common major.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d15/tables/dt15_322.30.asp


For unemployment:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/figures/images/figure-cbc-3.gif


For Earnings:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/figures/images/figure-cba-4.png


For underemployment

https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff_reports/sr749.pdf?la=en

As I said, you want a good paying job? Don't be lazy and go to school.

infinit
04-04-2017, 09:48 AM
Yes, 1950 was better than 1940, 1960 was better than 1950, and 1970 was better than 1960, and so on. Technological advances that make life more convenient than they have ever been, and we are still under 2.0% GDP Growth?

GDP growth cannot exponentially grow forever. Very little GDP growth in a lot of advanced economies comes from primary industries or manufacturing, it comes from the growth of the service sector. You can only automate and speed up production of goods to an extent, because ultimatly there isn't an infinite demand. You could probably build a factory that would produce 1 billion cans of Coke a day, but that's useless if no one wants 1 billion cans. You can only extract enough raw materials such as oil and coal to meet the demand as well. A lot of advanced economies are also seeing slowing population growth, which also hits GDP growth.

meenman83
04-04-2017, 10:14 AM
Please google unemployment for those with college degrees and get back to me.

No college degree and I make 6 digits come at me healthcare bill collector.

Mumra
04-04-2017, 10:19 AM
No college degree and I make 6 digits come at me healthcare bill collector.
no need. the tax man gotch yo azz. lol

SillieBazzillie
04-04-2017, 01:02 PM
No college degree and I make 6 digits come at me healthcare bill collector.

What? I was just going to ask you what the subject of your post-graduate thesis was.

Color me shocked.

Audioslave
04-04-2017, 03:53 PM
The economy was already improving by early 2009, before any "Obama" policies took effect, so there's no reason to believe we were headed to a Depression. Instead, we got eight years of results far worse than what he claimed we should expect.

A second recession may be the more proper term. Maybe the results weren't as good as we had hoped for the money spent, but I believe most studies show it increased 2% output and saved millions of jobs. Not perfect but not nothing.

Audioslave
04-04-2017, 03:56 PM
It takes more than an education to get a good paying job.

Sure. Tell the Ivy League kids coming out of undergrad to a $160K job with no work experience that.

Rayzor84
04-04-2017, 04:10 PM
Sure. Tell the Ivy League kids coming out of undergrad to a $160K job with no work experience that.

I don't think you realize u proved his point.

Most ivy League kids have connections, whether it be daddy or whatever. That's why they slide into those jobs straight away. There's nothing inherently better about an ivy league education, it's all who you know.

Audioslave
04-04-2017, 04:30 PM
I don't think you realize u proved his point.

Most ivy League kids have connections, whether it be daddy or whatever. That's why they slide into those jobs straight away. There's nothing inherently better about an ivy league education, it's all who you know.

Connections? You can go to state school, community college, or not graduate from high school and get a good job with connections. But if you go to Harvard you are far more likely to get an internship at a bulge bracket bank and get an entry level investment banking job out of undergrad at $160K per year with no skills or connections, but just because you went to an Ivy League school. The best entry level jobs recruit talent based on the quality of school and quality of grades. So yeah, all you need is a really good education.

Rayzor84
04-04-2017, 04:34 PM
Connections? You can go to state school, community college, or not graduate from high school and get a good job with connections. But if you go to Harvard you are far more likely to get an internship at a bulge bracket bank and get an entry level investment banking job out of undergrad at $160K per year with no skills or connections, but just because you went to an Ivy League school. The best entry level jobs recruit talent based on the quality of school and quality of grades. So yeah, all you need is a really good education.

While an ivy league education may look better, it'll never BE better than experience or connections from a lower school. You think these employers don't know that most ivy grads are 4.0 mouth breathers with no social skills? Very few employers want that. You're putting way too much value into it.

If ALL ELSE were equal, the edge would go to the Ivy League kid. But to say that education is enough in the face of people with experience or connections, that's a bit off the mark. Not to mention as I stated, ivy league students tend to have connections already based on family, that's how alot of them get in in the first place.

meenman83
04-04-2017, 04:42 PM
no need. the tax man gotch yo azz. lol

not the first 90k brah lol

meenman83
04-04-2017, 04:43 PM
What? I was just going to ask you what the subject of your post-graduate thesis was.

Color me shocked.

Homeland Security certification. Certifications>Degrees

Audioslave
04-04-2017, 04:44 PM
While an ivy league education may look better, it'll never BE better than experience or connections from a lower school. You think these employers don't know that most ivy grads are 4.0 mouth breathers with no social skills? Very few employers want that. You're putting way too much value into it.

If ALL ELSE were equal, the edge would go to the Ivy League kid. But to say that education is enough in the face of people with experience or connections, that's a bit off the mark. Not to mention as I stated, ivy league students tend to have connections already based on family, that's how alot of them get in in the first place.

Where did I say education is enough in the face of people with experience or connections? The whole premise was that a good education is enough to get a good paying job, which you disagreed with. I'm not saying it's ethically right or wrong, but it's true. Employers hold quality education in very high regard (at least in my world of finance).

Qong
04-04-2017, 05:32 PM
The reality is things have never been better. You're just viewing the past through rose colored glasses.

Are you still watching a 13" TV? Still using a landline phone? Still sending letters via mail to keep up with friends and family? Still driving a car without airbags that guzzles gas?

The reality is houses are bigger and nicer now. Cars are safer, nicer, faster and more efficient now. We have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Smartphones, Tablets, Xbox's, Playstations, Better Food, etc.

Don't buy into the lie that your life sucks when it's amazing. This is why we need politicians to stay out of the way of business and innovation.

Technologically Millennials are more advanced, of course they are, it's been 60 years. But economically Millennials are absolutely not better off than Baby Boomers were at the same age:

1. Look at the percentages of Millennials living with their parents or relatives. The numbers are way higher than Baby Boomers.
2. Look at how many Millennials are married and have families. The numbers are much lower than Baby Boomers.
3. Look at the incomes of Millennials versus the incomes of Baby Boomers. In terms of buying power Baby Boomers could afford much more; houses, cars, families.

I agree that government needs to stay out of things. That's the reason that Millennials are in the situation that they're in. The government has flooded our country with foreigners, doubling our population in a couple of generations, ruining our labor market. They created programs like the H-1B visa to give American jobs to foreigners here and then to ship even more American jobs overseas afterward.

SillieBazzillie
04-04-2017, 05:41 PM
Homeland Security certification. Certifications>Degrees

Said no one ever.

SillieBazzillie
04-04-2017, 05:44 PM
While an ivy league education may look better, it'll never BE better than experience or connections from a lower school. You think these employers don't know that most ivy grads are 4.0 mouth breathers with no social skills? Very few employers want that. You're putting way too much value into it.

If ALL ELSE were equal, the edge would go to the Ivy League kid. But to say that education is enough in the face of people with experience or connections, that's a bit off the mark. Not to mention as I stated, ivy league students tend to have connections already based on family, that's how alot of them get in in the first place.

lol at saying employers don't want 4.0 mouth breathers. HTF do you know what employers want? I've hired a bunch of people and trust me the prestigious college resume goes to the top of the pile, the "lesser" colleges, to the bottom.

Audioslave
04-04-2017, 06:49 PM
Technologically Millennials are more advanced, of course they are, it's been 60 years. But economically Millennials are absolutely not better off than Baby Boomers were at the same age:

1. Look at the percentages of Millennials living with their parents or relatives. The numbers are way higher than Baby Boomers.
2. Look at how many Millennials are married and have families. The numbers are much lower than Baby Boomers.
3. Look at the incomes of Millennials versus the incomes of Baby Boomers. In terms of buying power Baby Boomers could afford much more; houses, cars, families.

I agree that government needs to stay out of things. That's the reason that Millennials are in the situation that they're in. The government has flooded our country with foreigners, doubling our population in a couple of generations, ruining our labor market. They created programs like the H-1B visa to give American jobs to foreigners here and then to ship even more American jobs overseas afterward.

Technology plays a huge role in the quality of life today. And economically Millennials are actually living in the best time ever, but they are not reaping the benefits. GDP per capita is the highest it has ever been and still growing, but the distribution of wealth is what has kept many Millennials down. So, technically they are living in the best economic and technological times ever.

meenman83
04-04-2017, 06:56 PM
Said no one ever.

Beg to differ...see any mention of a silly diploma from devry?

ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES:
•Supervise the day-to-day protective security functions as specified in daily post and detail orders.
•Carries and operates weapons as specified in daily post and detail orders, or upon orders from the detail leader or shift leader.
•Maintaining protective formation position during principal’s walking movements
•Participating in advance security preparations.
•Manning the security post or manning the Command Post, as required.
•Perform personnel protective service detail assignments.
•The guard is required to attend the protective security training course.
•The guard shall maintain weapons qualifications as outlined in this contract, for the Glock, M4, Shotgun, M240, M249 and M203 and familiarization fire for AK47.



QUALIFICATIONS AND EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS
•Three (3) years of experience:
One (1) year of the three, shall include experience in protective security assignments.
Experience can be gained in the employ of any national, State/Provincial, Local or commercial entities providing high threat protective services that require skills similar to those of this contract:

U.S. Diplomatic Security Service.
US Diplomatic Security Service
U.S. Secret Service
U.S. Federal Agencies. e.g. FBI (Former Special Agents with protective security background)
U.S. Special Operations Forces
U.S. Military
Commercial executive protective services with military or police background.
Law enforcement experience (U.S. Military Police/Criminal Investigation Division; local and state law enforcement agencies, with Emergency Service Unit, Special Weapons and tactical training).

Qong
04-04-2017, 06:59 PM
Technology plays a huge role in the quality of life today. And economically Millennials are actually living in the best time ever, but they are not reaping the benefits. GDP per capita is the highest it has ever been and still growing, but the distribution of wealth is what has kept many Millennials down. So, technically they are living in the best economic and technological times ever.

Most of what you posted there isn't backed up by reality. Millennials are living in such a prosperous time yet millions of them are still living with their parents. Interesting. Only small percentages of them are married and have children. Their earnings buy less than the Baby Boomer equivalent could.

You guys are comparing apples to oranges. Millennials can watch a television show on demand, wow, great; but they can't afford houses, families, cars, things that matter. They can play video games all day but they can't get a good job.

AlienUnseen
04-04-2017, 10:10 PM
Sure. Tell the Ivy League kids coming out of undergrad to a $160K job with no work experience that.

This... my brother is an alumni from Colombia and Harvard... he didn't do any internships in college so he had zero work experience. Once he graduated with his masters he got $180k job right out the gate in a management position.

How? ivy league degrees are prized, networking at an Ivy League school filled with students who come from wealthy families with connections in top companies.

Rayzor84
04-05-2017, 02:53 AM
This... my brother is an alumni from Colombia and Harvard... he didn't do any internships in college so he had zero work experience. Once he graduated with his masters he got $180k job right out the gate in a management position.

How? ivy league degrees are prized, networking at an Ivy League school filled with students who come from wealthy families with connections in top companies.

Interesting how every thread prompts something pertinent from you. You and your family have done it all, know it all.

Rayzor84
04-05-2017, 02:55 AM
lol at saying employers don't want 4.0 mouth breathers. HTF do you know what employers want? I've hired a bunch of people and trust me the prestigious college resume goes to the top of the pile, the "lesser" colleges, to the bottom.

Know how I know you aren't an employer?

TheFornicator1
04-05-2017, 03:33 AM
No, he didn't make it perfect or even great but we didn't go into a depression, which makes it good in my opinion. Considering that the housing crisis/recession caused suppressed investing and wages and the value of the dollar has increased and cause lower international demand for US products. So, you can make the argument that it is pretty surprising the economy grew at all and didn't sink into a depression.

Slowest economic recovery in history. There's a good thousand years of world economic history that dictates all he had to do was lower corporate and middle class taxes to ease pressure and significantly improve the state of the economy and living standards of common men.

Instead, he followed Europe's disastrous politicized economics in favor of extra regulation, higher taxes, more credit and the inevitable stranglehold over recovery.

If it weren't for the sheer scale of the U.S' private industry and the wherewithal ingrained in your culture, you would've become a super-sized Greece.

infinit
04-05-2017, 05:10 AM
While an ivy league education may look better, it'll never BE better than experience or connections from a lower school. You think these employers don't know that most ivy grads are 4.0 mouth breathers with no social skills? Very few employers want that. You're putting way too much value into it.

If ALL ELSE were equal, the edge would go to the Ivy League kid. But to say that education is enough in the face of people with experience or connections, that's a bit off the mark. Not to mention as I stated, ivy league students tend to have connections already based on family, that's how alot of them get in in the first place.

If we are on about "making it", pretty much any industry or organisation that pays the most out the door DO like seeing a 4.0 on your resume and they do like seeing Ivy league or equiv. Investment banking, top-end law firms, the well respected engineering companies, top-tier tech companies etc etc.

I work at an investment bank the UK. I don't know the official stats but of the people I know, 75%ish come from a handful of schools in the UK: Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, UCL, LSE, Warwick, another amount come from top-tier European and US schools and then the rest are from every other university in the UK combined. I've spent time in the NY office and I know it's pretty much the same but with US schools over there.

Audioslave
04-05-2017, 06:22 AM
Most of what you posted there isn't backed up by reality. Millennials are living in such a prosperous time yet millions of them are still living with their parents. Interesting. Only small percentages of them are married and have children. Their earnings buy less than the Baby Boomer equivalent could.

You guys are comparing apples to oranges. Millennials can watch a television show on demand, wow, great; but they can't afford houses, families, cars, things that matter. They can play video games all day but they can't get a good job.

I'm not saying Millennials have it easy, I'm saying economically they live in the most prosperous time. GDP per capita is at its peak, which means there is more wealth available per person than there has ever been. The problem is that Millennials haven't received their share because the wealth gap is huge. But there is more than enough wealth out there.

Audioslave
04-05-2017, 06:25 AM
Slowest economic recovery in history. There's a good thousand years of world economic history that dictates all he had to do was lower corporate and middle class taxes to ease pressure and significantly improve the state of the economy and living standards of common men.

Instead, he followed Europe's disastrous politicized economics in favor of extra regulation, higher taxes, more credit and the inevitable stranglehold over recovery.

If it weren't for the sheer scale of the U.S' private industry and the wherewithal ingrained in your culture, you would've become a super-sized Greece.

Your post is just an attack on Obama. I never said he did anything to fix the wealth gap - he failed in that respect in my opinion. But the recovery doesn't bother me as our GDP per capita is at its peak. There is a ton of wealth out there, but it's the wealth disparity that has hurt Millennials.

meenman83
04-05-2017, 09:50 AM
Know how I know you aren't an employer?

Alex going to go with taking people with a prestigious degree w/no experience versus actual experience but a lesser known school degree

SillieBazzillie
04-05-2017, 10:24 AM
Know how I know you aren't an employer?

What do you think I do kid (although at 32 you're not really a kid)? When you're going through resumes you have nothing to go on but a piece of paper. So maybe you're the best, most motivated guy I'd have ever seen, but I won't know because your Ross University degree gets put under the UVA's and Penn's of the world.

Apologies if that's too real for you.

SillieBazzillie
04-05-2017, 10:28 AM
Alex going to go with taking people with a prestigious degree w/no experience versus actual experience but a lesser known school degree

Nope. Give me a prestigious degree with no experience over someone with experience but only "certificates" or a lame college degree. I can teach the business, but I can't teach brains. Guess which one I'm going to assume has brains.

And btw, I didn't even go to a super prestigious school (University of Maryland BA/MBA) so I'm not even arguing from my own personal point of view. Just trying to give young folks the realities of the world.

SillieBazzillie
04-05-2017, 10:30 AM
Beg to differ...see any mention of a silly diploma from devry?

ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES:
•Supervise the day-to-day protective security functions as specified in daily post and detail orders.
•Carries and operates weapons as specified in daily post and detail orders, or upon orders from the detail leader or shift leader.
•Maintaining protective formation position during principal’s walking movements
•Participating in advance security preparations.
•Manning the security post or manning the Command Post, as required.
•Perform personnel protective service detail assignments.
•The guard is required to attend the protective security training course.
•The guard shall maintain weapons qualifications as outlined in this contract, for the Glock, M4, Shotgun, M240, M249 and M203 and familiarization fire for AK47.



QUALIFICATIONS AND EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS
•Three (3) years of experience:
One (1) year of the three, shall include experience in protective security assignments.
Experience can be gained in the employ of any national, State/Provincial, Local or commercial entities providing high threat protective services that require skills similar to those of this contract:

U.S. Diplomatic Security Service.
US Diplomatic Security Service
U.S. Secret Service
U.S. Federal Agencies. e.g. FBI (Former Special Agents with protective security background)
U.S. Special Operations Forces
U.S. Military
Commercial executive protective services with military or police background.
Law enforcement experience (U.S. Military Police/Criminal Investigation Division; local and state law enforcement agencies, with Emergency Service Unit, Special Weapons and tactical training).

No offense but that job description sounds a lot like a security guard.

Rayzor84
04-05-2017, 10:33 AM
What do you think I do kid (although at 32 you're not really a kid)? When you're going through resumes you have nothing to go on but a piece of paper. So maybe you're the best, most motivated guy I'd have ever seen, but I won't know because your Ross University degree gets put under the UVA's and Penn's of the world.

Apologies if that's too real for you.

I'd take a long list of relevant skills, leadership roles and actual experience from a 3.0 gpa over a tiny list of these things or none and a 4.0. Unless you recruit for tech, character qualities and experience will increase profits over a high GPA every time. This is of course ignoring the fact that no job has EVER requested my gpa, only to know I have a degree.

In terms of what u said to the other poster, you can't teach intelligence but rarely are jobs about intelligence aside from medical, high end programming or law and engineering. It's all relational skills, and what you can't teach is social skills to an autist. Anyone can learn a job but will they relate to others and in turn increase profits? Damn you don't k ow d1ck about ANYTHING holy Fukk lol.

Face it, you've proven you don't do any hiring, I'm convinced you don't even work at all since you constantly troll these boards all day.

What a pathetic Loser srs.

SillieBazzillie
04-05-2017, 10:40 AM
I'd take a long list of relevant skills, leadership roles and actual experience from a 3.0 gpa over a tiny list of these things or none and a 4.0. Unless you recruit for tech, character qualities and experience will increase profits over a high GPA every time. This is of course if owing the fact that no job has EVER requested my gpa, only to know I have a degree.

Face it, you've proven you don't do any hiring, I'm convinced you don't even work at all since you constantly troll these boards all day.

What a pathetic Loser srs.

If you ever reach that level, you could take whomever you'd wish. That said, I've done this numerous times and we both know (well you don't) resumes are shined up and the truth is stretched. And every single resume I get all have those relevant skills and leadership roles. And genius, as smart person includes their GPA if it's high enough (please don't bother with your poverty 3.0 from Ross, thanks). What do you think that people who actually go to good schools just send a text with their diploma?

Maybe when you're in your mid 30's and finally get out into the world you'll actually learn something. Probably not since I can tell from your sentence structure that nothing on your resume would jump off the page.

Rayzor84
04-05-2017, 10:44 AM
If you ever reach that level, you could take whomever you'd wish. That said, I've done this numerous times and we both know (well you don't) resumes are shined up and the truth is stretched. And every single resume I get all have those relevant skills and leadership roles. And genius, as smart person includes their GPA if it's high enough (please don't bother with your poverty 3.0 from Ross, thanks). What do you think that people who actually go to good schools just send a text with their diploma?

Maybe when you're in your mid 30's and finally get out into the world you'll actually learn something. Probably not since I can tell from your sentence structure that nothing on your resume would jump off the page.

Didn't read lol, most delusional poster on the board srs.

SillieBazzillie
04-05-2017, 11:03 AM
Didn't read lol, most delusional poster on the board srs.

Good luck middle-ager, you're going to need it.

Mumra
04-05-2017, 11:22 AM
the GF is a senior manager at a big CPA firm. she tells me the Ivy League types with the super high test scores, good grades etc are the worst employees. they''ve all but put a block on hiring them. she says they are basically book worms with no personal skills that think they know everything already. which they do not as according to her 99% of the job isn't taught in school. most of it comes purely from experience.

just her .02c

JrM703
04-05-2017, 11:35 AM
I see SillieNillieVanilli has diarethea of the mouth again...

-Northrop Grumman is going to hire someone with military experience, worked at L3 Communications, and went to the University of Florida over someone that has no experience and went to Harvard

-Google is going to hire someone with coding experience, worked at VMWare, and went to College of Charleston over someone that has no experience and went to Stanford

-Tesla is going to hire someone with automotive engineering experience, worked at BMW of North America, and went to Jacksonville State, over someone that has no experience and went to Oxford.

Now if you're talking about internships, where both candidates have no experience, the more prestigious school may have the inside track, however more often than not the employer will also look at recommendations, volunteer experience, and college course focus.

BRB Former Fortune 500 Head Recruiter
BRB Your experience is a direct indicator of how hard you work, and your prowess
BRB A college degree just tells me you're good at studying, and test taking

Ten_Hearts
04-05-2017, 11:36 AM
I've only hired interns but to me relevant work experience was the most important when I hired. Mind you all the resumes I received were from people with at least a bachelor degree, many had masters or more. But my field is in science and engineering (Pharma). Resumes were initially filtered by HR before I got a couple dozen of them. A number of the applicants came from high ranking universities. Went with one from a local state school who I knew. We joked the applicants had a better educational background than the rest of us...kind of nuts.

Rayzor84
04-05-2017, 11:48 AM
the GF is a senior manager at a big CPA firm. she tells me the Ivy League types with the super high test scores, good grades etc are the worst employees. they''ve all but put a block on hiring them. she says they are basically book worms with no personal skills that think they know everything already. which they do not as according to her 99% of the job isn't taught in school. most of it comes purely from experience.

just her .02c

Pretty much exactly what I said and have seen myself. Life takes more than regurgitating facts.

SillieBazzillie
04-05-2017, 12:01 PM
I see SillieNillieVanilli has diarethea of the mouth again...

-Northrop Grumman is going to hire someone with military experience, worked at L3 Communications, and went to the University of Florida over someone that has no experience and went to Harvard

-Google is going to hire someone with coding experience, worked at VMWare, and went to College of Charleston over someone that has no experience and went to Stanford

-Tesla is going to hire someone with automotive engineering experience, worked at BMW of North America, and went to Jacksonville State, over someone that has no experience and went to Oxford.

Now if you're talking about internships, where both candidates have no experience, the more prestigious school may have the inside track, however more often than not the employer will also look at recommendations, volunteer experience, and college course focus.

BRB Former Fortune 500 Head Recruiter
BRB Your experience is a direct indicator of how hard you work, and your prowess
BRB A college degree just tells me you're good at studying, and test taking

The argument wasn't about work experience vs a quality degree. Of someone with 5+ years relevant work experience will get considered over someone with zero experience. The argument was about fresh out of college, resumes on a stack, which one would the employer go for. Mr. Ross tried to make the argument that his resume "skills" would get more consideration over an ivy because ivy's are "hurr durr bookworms with no personality."

Rayzor84
04-05-2017, 12:06 PM
The argument wasn't about work experience vs a quality degree. Of someone with 5+ years relevant work experience will get considered over someone with zero experience. The argument was about fresh out of college, resumes on a stack, which one would the employer go for. Mr. Ross tried to make the argument that his resume "skills" would get more consideration over an ivy because ivy's are "hurr durr bookworms with no personality."

Actually that's exactly what the argument was about, but considering your mentally challenged state you didn't know that. That saddest part is that even making an irrelevant point, you still made it incorrectly and get to look stupid twice.

That bleach must be looking tasty

meenman83
04-05-2017, 12:31 PM
No offense but that job description sounds a lot like a security guard.

Yeah security guards casually carry 203s, 249s and 240s, you probably see them at walgreens all the time.

SillieBazzillie
04-05-2017, 12:32 PM
Sure. Tell the Ivy League kids coming out of undergrad to a $160K job with no work experience that.


I don't think you realize u proved his point.

Most ivy League kids have connections, whether it be daddy or whatever. That's why they slide into those jobs straight away. There's nothing inherently better about an ivy league education, it's all who you know.


While an ivy league education may look better, it'll never BE better than experience or connections from a lower school. You think these employers don't know that most ivy grads are 4.0 mouth breathers with no social skills? Very few employers want that. You're putting way too much value into it.

If ALL ELSE were equal, the edge would go to the Ivy League kid. But to say that education is enough in the face of people with experience or connections, that's a bit off the mark. Not to mention as I stated, ivy league students tend to have connections already based on family, that's how alot of them get in in the first place.

The entire premise was started about kids getting jobs right out of school Mr. Ross.

SillieBazzillie
04-05-2017, 12:34 PM
Yeah security guards casually carry 203s, 249s and 240s, you probably see them at walgreens all the time.

Just saying.

meenman83
04-05-2017, 01:27 PM
Just saying.

that you have zero knowledge of what you speak of as usual?

nutsy54
04-05-2017, 04:42 PM
Know how I know you aren't an employer?
Eh, his story is believable. As a liberal, he's far more concerned with appaeranace & feelings than actual substance & accomplishments :D

nutsy54
04-05-2017, 04:46 PM
What do you think I do kid...
Based on a handful of posts, you seem to be in a $200k/year job at a medical non-profit, who only hires graduates from "prestigious" colleges, regardless of their actual experience or accomplishments in life & business. :cool:

Meanwhile, Obama's economic results were still a tepid disaster.

nutsy54
04-05-2017, 04:48 PM
And btw, I didn't even go to a super prestigious school...
Then it seems you need to resign immediately. You clearly shouldn't have been hired, and need to make way for someone who went to a "better" school :p

Audioslave
04-05-2017, 04:51 PM
the GF is a senior manager at a big CPA firm. she tells me the Ivy League types with the super high test scores, good grades etc are the worst employees. they''ve all but put a block on hiring them. she says they are basically book worms with no personal skills that think they know everything already. which they do not as according to her 99% of the job isn't taught in school. most of it comes purely from experience.

just her .02c


Pretty much exactly what I said and have seen myself. Life takes more than regurgitating facts.


Thanks. You guys just proved my point. If you go to an Ivy League school you can get a good paying job even if you suck at it. Unfair? Sure. Is it the reality we live in? Yes.

Mumra
04-06-2017, 03:52 AM
Thanks. You guys just proved my point. If you go to an Ivy League school you can get a good paying job even if you suck at it. Unfair? Sure. Is it the reality we live in? Yes.
No I did not. they never make it past their entry level positions and end up quitting because they can't handle it or get fired. plus the "regular" University folks still get the jobs as well. ;)

SillieBazzillie
04-06-2017, 06:02 AM
Then it seems you need to resign immediately. You clearly shouldn't have been hired, and need to make way for someone who went to a "better" school :p

You should know this Nutso since you're almost as old as me, back when we were graduating high school (mid-80's) the number of people who went to college was far less than it is now. So my UofM degree stood out back then, now UofM is still a great school but I'd be competing with multiple more people from equal or better schools. Employers have a much richer college graduate pool from which to choose from.

But of course Mr. Ross believes that future employers will hire him because of the "leadership" qualities he lists on his resume (lmao).

Rayzor84
04-06-2017, 06:20 AM
You should know this Nutso since you're almost as old as me, back when we were graduating high school (mid-80's) the number of people who went to college was far less than it is now. So my UofM degree stood out back then, now UofM is still a great school but I'd be competing with multiple more people from equal or better schools. Employers have a much richer college graduate pool from which to choose from.

But of course Mr. Ross believes that future employers will hire him because of the "leadership" qualities he lists on his resume (lmao).

Nah, I'm counting on a DVM degree to do that, something you'll never come close to having because retards can't be doctors.

https://giphy.com/gifs/50-cent-the-simpsons-laughing-20FGZaWbt314I

SillieBazzillie
04-06-2017, 06:44 AM
Nah, I'm counting on a DVM degree to do that, something you'll never come close to having because retards can't be doctors.

https://giphy.com/gifs/50-cent-the-simpsons-laughing-20FGZaWbt314I

Doctor? lol

Enjoy your $90k job sticking your finger up animals asses. doctor? lol Plus you'll be so old if you finally do graduate that you'll be working until your 75 to save any money. Enjoy that.

Rayzor84
04-06-2017, 06:46 AM
Doctor? lol

Enjoy your $90k job sticking your finger up animals asses. doctor? lol Plus you'll be so old if you finally do graduate that you'll be working until your 75 to save any money. Enjoy that.

DVM and residency out of the gate is over 125k, and approaches near 200k after the first 5 years. This doesn't account for opening a practice and the additional income.

Keep coping with your poverty 1k a month welfare check and section 8 housing.

SillieBazzillie
04-06-2017, 06:50 AM
DVM and residency out of the gate is over 125k, and approaches near 200k after the first 5 years. This doesn't account for opening a practice and the additional income.

Keep coping with your poverty 1k a month welfare check and section 8 housing.

Weird how the median salary for vets is like $88k. It must be all those awesome leadership qualities and experience you'll bring to the table that will make you so highly compensated out of the gate. Oh and the link below includes vets who actually go to US (ie good) schools.

http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/veterinarian/salary

Rayzor84
04-06-2017, 06:51 AM
Weird how the median salary for vets is like $88k. It must be all those awesome leadership qualities and experience you'll bring to the table.

http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/veterinarian/salary

Guess you didn't read where I said residency, meaning specialized. But you typically don't read so I forgive you.

SillieBazzillie
04-06-2017, 06:55 AM
Guess you didn't read where I said residency, meaning specialized. But you typically don't read so I forgive you.

Ok, I'll humor you, what do you plan to specialize in? And you realize that even real doctor residencies (ie physician) get paid less than $50k right? And you think you'll make $125k as a vet resident? What kind of education are they providing there in the Caribbean? A lot of grass I assume?

Rayzor84
04-06-2017, 06:57 AM
Ok, I'll humor you, what do you plan to specialize in? And you realize that even real doctor residencies (ie physician) get paid less than $50k right? And you think you'll make $125k as a vet resident? What kind of education are they providing there in the Caribbean? A lot of grass I assume?

Just admit you have no idea what you're talking and drop it. You tried, multiple times, to make several points itt and all of them fell through. It was fun, but I'm not going to humor a poverty peasant anymore.

And the residencies of physicians you are referring to are DURING residency, not after they are board certified which brings them well over 100k and any salary I'll make as a vet right off the top. Just more evidence that you're completely clueless.

SillieBazzillie
04-06-2017, 07:03 AM
Just admit you have no idea what you're talking and drop it. You tried, multiple times, to make several points itt and all of them fell through. It was fun, but I'm not going to humor a poverty peasant anymore.

And the residencies of physicians you are referring to are DURING residency, not after they are board certified which brings them well over 100k and any salary I'll make as a vet right off the top. Just more evidence that you're completely clueless.

lol ok, enjoy your mystery vet career that pays 2x the median vet salary in the US. Or are you going to just stay in the Caribbean?

Audioslave
04-06-2017, 07:26 AM
No I did not. they never make it past their entry level positions and end up quitting because they can't handle it or get fired. plus the "regular" University folks still get the jobs as well. ;)

Yes you did. What does an entry level job at a Big 4 accounting firm pay? I would imagine it's a good paying job. Most quit because they can probably lateral to a banking or corp dev role. I haven't seen many Ivy Leaguers on food stamps. The premise was that a good education can get you a good paying job and you proved that for me.

SillieBazzillie
04-06-2017, 10:02 AM
Yes you did. What does an entry level job at a Big 4 accounting firm pay? I would imagine it's a good paying job. Most quit because they can probably lateral to a banking or corp dev role. I haven't seen many Ivy Leaguers on food stamps. The premise was that a good education can get you a good paying job and you proved that for me.

Have to remember that conservatives in general are anti-education. Of course they'd try to deride those that have the academic aptitude to attend the very best universities.

"they're all bookworm, potato losers hurr durr. Now I better grab my shovel and go back to work, the boss's looking"

fitnessislife
04-06-2017, 05:00 PM
Have to remember that conservatives in general are anti-education. Of course they'd try to deride those that have the academic aptitude to attend the very best universities.

"they're all bookworm, potato losers hurr durr. Now I better grab my shovel and go back to work, the boss's looking"

Got any sources to back that up?

I'll answer for you - of course you don't.

Mumra
04-07-2017, 03:50 AM
Yes you did. What does an entry level job at a Big 4 accounting firm pay? I would imagine it's a good paying job. Most quit because they can probably lateral to a banking or corp dev role. I haven't seen many Ivy Leaguers on food stamps. The premise was that a good education can get you a good paying job and you proved that for me.
nope still haven't and you saying that I did won't make it true. I'm telling you most of these people get fired because they suck at anything not a test in a classroom. are all of them like this? of course not. but more than other schools? yep. a "good education" has more to do with the individual than the name on the building. the premise for getting a good paying job with an education at a "regular" school has proven that for me.

Audioslave
04-07-2017, 06:08 AM
nope still haven't and you saying that I did won't make it true. I'm telling you most of these people get fired because they suck at anything not a test in a classroom. are all of them like this? of course not. but more than other schools? yep. a "good education" has more to do with the individual than the name on the building. the premise for getting a good paying job with an education at a "regular" school has proven that for me.

I don't think you understood the point of the argument. I was arguing that you can GET a good paying job. I never said you could KEEP a good paying job. There is a big difference. You can do your undergrad at Yale, then get your MBA from UPenn followed by JD at Harvard, but even then you have to show up for work and do your job. My point is, if you go to these schools you will have a good paying job waiting for you. The further you go up the corporate ladder the less your education matters. But as far as landing a good paying job out of school it makes a huge difference.

Mumra
04-07-2017, 06:29 AM
I don't think you understood the point of the argument. I was arguing that you can GET a good paying job. I never said you could KEEP a good paying job. There is a big difference. You can do your undergrad at Yale, then get your MBA from UPenn followed by JD at Harvard, but even then you have to show up for work and do your job. My point is, if you go to these schools you will have a good paying job waiting for you. The further you go up the corporate ladder the less your education matters. But as far as landing a good paying job out of school it makes a huge difference.
landing a job? eh' plenty more people getting jobs at the same places if for no other reason than sheer numbers. the only people that really care about what school someone went to are those that went to those schools and need to feel superior to fill some internal inadequacy.

Audioslave
04-07-2017, 07:11 AM
landing a job? eh' plenty more people getting jobs at the same places if for no other reason than sheer numbers. the only people that really care about what school someone went to are those that went to those schools and need to feel superior to fill some internal inadequacy.

At a Big 4 accounting firm? Sure. You can get in there from a variety schools. But have you ever walked through JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley's, etc. investment banking department? Ever walk through an elite AM/HF/PE firm? 99.9% of all the analyst positions are filled with kids from elite schools with no work experience, and the starting total comp is around $160k. I know because I was part of that 0.01%. I went to a good school (top 1%) but not a great school. People like me were not supposed to work front office positions at those companies. They reserved middle office and back office positions for people from my school. I just worked hard and got very lucky.

RogerSterling
05-04-2017, 10:59 AM
So I assume all the budget hawks in here will be making sure their congressmen know that they are 100% NOT FOR trump's tax "reform" plan?

RogerSterling
05-04-2017, 01:07 PM
So I assume all the budget hawks in here will be making sure their congressmen know that they are 100% NOT FOR trump's tax "reform" plan?

Right?

RIKTER
05-04-2017, 01:16 PM
Doesn't look good For Obamas legacy, Hoover sucked so much, they named a vacuum after him! :)

Mumra
05-04-2017, 01:21 PM
it was put to me by the same CPA I was talking to before that the tax system for individuals is almost irrelivant and these modifications won't matter to individuals. corp taxes pretty much have to be confusing messes because of the way companies are structured and people get paid from them. Trump's tax plan and almost anyone else's that doesn't just tax the piss out of everyone don't really matter. also according to her(and I'd say she has a pretty good idea on this stuff because it's large companies and people like Trump whom she serves at a high level) the best way to "fix" the problems in the system is term limits on Congressmen and Senators. she thinks special interest it the reason for most of the BS rules and laws in the game. pay the politician to put stupid rules into law so your business can thrive is the name of the game.

don't know if she's right or wrong. but what I do know from my own personal business exp. it's the local gov'ts that F businesses in the A the hardest. really, with all the regulations, rulse, permits and fees you have to pay/get to do almost anything one would think they don't want you to open a business. ex, When we opened if we wanted to put up a sign outside that said, "Grand Opening" it was a $2000 permit. it could say, "Super Duper Big Time Opening" and no permit. "Grand Opening" and you gotta pay up. abject stupid **** like that.