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miamiceo
03-27-2017, 10:03 AM
I made an earlier thread about evil stuff in the bible, and the main rebuttal was that it was old testament and they only followed the new testament. If that is the case, why don't they follow any of the teachings of Jesus? What is the rationale to preach one thing but your actions say something else? Modern Evangelical Christians have to be the biggest hipocrites who have ever existed.

EDIT: I think Jesus was an amazing human being who did exist. I think many of his current followers chit on all of his teachings and take the moral high ground on everything just for the fact that they are Christians when they are bigger sinners than the ones whom they attack.

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xx45xx
03-27-2017, 10:12 AM
I love this kind of thread because they get phaggots like you banned

BetaAsPhuck
03-27-2017, 10:12 AM
I've thought the same thing;

Jesus preached unconditional kindness, generosity and forgiveness.

Jesus was also a minimalist/lived humbly.

Yet many evangelical/right-wing christians seem to preach; tribalism, pro-military expansion and intervention, live lavishly, and hoard money.

Many evangelical/right-wing christians also seem to be heavily pro-corporations, which (via advertising, and in office culture) promote; materialism, consumerism, working long hours to acquire money and status - rather than spending quality time with their loved ones.

I don't see how any of that is in alignment with Jesus character and message.

cheachea
03-27-2017, 10:19 AM
OP the answer requires more explanation then I'm both prepared to give or even want to spend time answering.

When you realize how many "Tares Among The Wheat" that are sprinkled with in Christianity it becomes clear that not everyone who claims to be a Christian is really a Christian. Also, Many Many are deceived by these Tares with in the Church.

* So in Layman's Terms, there are really evil people who are decieving The Church into believing and promoting heretical views.

wesleysh21
03-27-2017, 10:20 AM
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blckndyllw
03-27-2017, 10:24 AM
Because they're only Christian when it's convenient for them, this is why I lol when asswipes say people neeeeed Religion for morals, as if most Christians aren't fake as fuk

AriGhold
03-27-2017, 10:27 AM
Because people in general are self serving and hypocritical. It's just easier to point out in Christians because they put it out there.

cheachea
03-27-2017, 10:28 AM
A Few Explanations:


*Battling The Flesh

*Influence of Demons

*They are being deceived in some way

Etc.

dakensta
03-27-2017, 10:31 AM
Why do Christians go Against the teachings of Jesus
They don't. The vast majority of people who say they are Christians are not Christians. I dunno what you would call them TBH.
Eclectic Abrahamics?

NVious
03-27-2017, 10:33 AM
>Leftists hate religion, God and Jesus
>Leftists constantly ask Christians why they don't follow their religion how they interpret it (people who hate religion will no doubt have no ideological spin)

At the same time these are the very same people who will say ISIS and other terrorist Muslims who quote the scripture are perverting the religion of Islam.

Real theological scholars they are.

Aesthetical
03-27-2017, 10:34 AM
Because they are just as hypocritical as the phaggots they keep electing into office.

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 10:34 AM
>Leftists hate religion, God and Jesus
>Leftists constantly ask Christians why they don't follow their religion how they interpret it (people who hate religion will no doubt have no ideological spin)

At the same time these are the very same people who will say ISIS and other terrorist Muslims who quote the scripture are perverting the religion of Islam.

Real theological scholars they are.

Why do you deflect for everything instead of answering the question?

NVious
03-27-2017, 10:43 AM
Why do you deflect for everything instead of answering the question?

It's not a deflection, it's a negation of your argument based on the fact that you're ideologically driven and too stupid to realize that

1.Other people are too
2.Religion is COMPLETELY up for interpretation

YOUR interpretation with your ideological bent isn't going to supersede theirs, believe it or not but people don't care about the opinions of those who detest the very underlying beliefs of their life.

Austanian
03-27-2017, 10:53 AM
1. You are suppose to love the sinner not love the sin. The religious are protesting against the sin. The sinners are calling it hate speech.

2. Complete horse chit narrative made by retarded people. Essentially it goes back to protecting the innocent and preaching against sinners.

3. The rest are all the same thing. You are confusing charity for forced redistribution. Me donating to a homeless shelter is completely different from someone breaking into my house and stealing my chit so he can pay his rent.


I am an atheist and do not support many of Christianities moral codes.

TsarChasm
03-27-2017, 10:59 AM
When people post things like this about Islam its shouted down from the heavens as being bigoted. But when its about Christianity its all fair game. Hmm I wonder what side progressives are on.

While I do agree that there are a ton of hypocritical Christians, I have never heard someone yell Merry Christmas before a bomb goes off.

While I don't specifically adhere to any religion, The lessons Jesus teaches are very important and wonderful things.

ContrarianIndi
03-27-2017, 11:06 AM
In what part of the bible did Jesus advocate creating a mobocracy to coercively rob people of their money and redistribute it to those in need?

You clearly have never read the New Testament if you think Jesus advocated the forceful redistribution of wealth, and throwing people in prison at sword point for not helping the needy.

Jesus wanted people to do things out of the kindness of their heart, not have the money forced from them via coercion and redistributed to those in need.

There's a massive difference between voluntary charity and theft

fitnessislife
03-27-2017, 11:17 AM
In what part of the bible did Jesus advocate creating a mobocracy to coercively rob people of their money and redistribute it to those in need?

You clearly have never read the New Testament if you think Jesus advocated the forceful redistribution of wealth, and throwing people in prison at sword point for not helping the needy.

Jesus wanted people to do things out of the kindness of their heart, not have the money forced from them via coercion and redistributed to those in need.

There's a massive difference between voluntary charity and theft

Poor OP also forgot the inconvenient fact that conservatives are much more
Charitable than libs, almost by a 2-1 margin.

Jacwald
03-27-2017, 11:19 AM
Because human beings are sinner and their hearts are evil.

NVious
03-27-2017, 11:19 AM
In what part of the bible did Jesus advocate creating a mobocracy to coercively rob people of their money and redistribute it to those in need?

You clearly have never read the New Testament if you think Jesus advocated the forceful redistribution of wealth, and throwing people in prison at sword point for not helping the needy.

Jesus wanted people to do things out of the kindness of their heart, not have the money forced from them via coercion and redistributed to those in need.

There's a massive difference between voluntary charity and theft

NO NO

He's talking about selectively quoting and then selectively interpreting the parts HE LIKES.

DON'T YOU DARE BRING UP PARTS HE DOESN'T.

STUPID RACIST KKK ALTRIGHT CHRISTIAN INBRED HICK NAZI!!!!!

chaunce54
03-27-2017, 01:15 PM
Jesus lived a perfect life so that the rest of us don't have to because it is impossible to do so. This is why you are able to repent of your sins and be absolved of them.

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 01:15 PM
First you say this



2.Religion is COMPLETELY up for interpretation


Then you say this



NO NO

He's talking about selectively quoting and then selectively interpreting the parts HE LIKES.

DON'T YOU DARE BRING UP PARTS HE DOESN'T.

STUPID RACIST KKK ALTRIGHT CHRISTIAN INBRED HICK NAZI!!!!!

You are a typical Christian, never consistent with any of your views, even when you're replying in the same thread lmao. If you want to force your beliefs on others then you should at least be consistent. You are a real bad at debating I have no idea why you consider yourself high iq.

NVious
03-27-2017, 01:24 PM
First you say this



Then you say this




You are a typical Christian, never consistent with any of your views, even when you're replying in the same thread lmao. If you want to force your beliefs on others then you should at least be consistent. You are a real bad at debating I have no idea why you consider yourself high iq.

I'm not a Christian you goof, sorry not all of us hate the founding pillars of western civilization.

There is nothing inconsistent about what I said:

YOU are picking and choosing as ALL Christians do, your behavior is the same. You don't have the higher ground.

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 01:44 PM
Matthew 19:24: Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

Jesus specifically says you will not enter heaven if you want to be rich. Jesus wants everybody to be equally poor. Why are you ignoring this?

The most efficient way to help the poor in modern days is taxing the rich so that they are no longer rich and can help the needy. No rich person ever decides to give up all their wealth. The prosperity Christians especially think they need to be gaining more and more wealth. This is contradictory to the teachings of Jesus.

What is your rebuttal for that quote in the bible?

In what part of the bible did Jesus advocate creating a mobocracy to coercively rob people of their money and redistribute it to those in need?

You clearly have never read the New Testament if you think Jesus advocated the forceful redistribution of wealth, and throwing people in prison at sword point for not helping the needy.

Jesus wanted people to do things out of the kindness of their heart, not have the money forced from them via coercion and redistributed to those in need.

There's a massive difference between voluntary charity and theft

LesMiscerables
03-27-2017, 01:57 PM
Yet many evangelical/right-wing christians seem to preach; tribalism, pro-military expansion and intervention, live lavishly, and hoard money.

You contradict yourself here. Sure, there are people who might live lavishly *and* horde money, but they would be in the top % of income, much less the even smaller % subset that are "christian" within that group.



Many evangelical/right-wing christians also seem to be heavily pro-corporations, which (via advertising, and in office culture) promote; materialism, consumerism, working long hours to acquire money and status - rather than spending quality time with their loved ones.


Don't conflate corporatism with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic Desiring small gov't doesn't necessarily come with corporatism. Most evangelicals I've met are anti-materialism and reject consumer culture as much as one would expect if someone takes their religion seriously.

BFast55
03-27-2017, 01:58 PM
ITT: OP wondering why humans aren't perfect.

PenorBrahNoHomo
03-27-2017, 02:00 PM
Matthew 19:24: Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

Jesus specifically says you will not enter heaven if you want to be rich. Jesus wants everybody to be equally poor. Why are you ignoring this?

The most efficient way to help the poor in modern days is taxing the rich so that they are no longer rich and can help the needy. No rich person ever decides to give up all their wealth. The prosperity Christians especially think they need to be gaining more and more wealth. This is contradictory to the teachings of Jesus.

What is your rebuttal for that quote in the bible?

This is a man who walked on water and performed other miracles, so then why is a camel fitting through the eye of a needle impossible?

LesMiscerables
03-27-2017, 02:03 PM
The most efficient way to help the poor in modern days is taxing the rich so that they are no longer rich and can help the needy. No rich person ever decides to give up all their wealth.

Ok..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giving_Pledge

Austanian
03-27-2017, 02:04 PM
Matthew 19:24: Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

Jesus specifically says you will not enter heaven if you want to be rich. Jesus wants everybody to be equally poor. Why are you ignoring this?

The most efficient way to help the poor in modern days is taxing the rich so that they are no longer rich and can help the needy. No rich person ever decides to give up all their wealth. The prosperity Christians especially think they need to be gaining more and more wealth. This is contradictory to the teachings of Jesus.

What is your rebuttal for that quote in the bible?

You realize the eye of a needle was a small gate in Israel.

Do you have a verse because the one you quotes is not the case. Furthermore, he is still not talking about forcing the people to give up their wealth.

Your efficiency argument is 1.) False 2.) not Relevant.

Freely giving something vs being forced to give up something is not in any way shape or form the same thing. Try again champ.

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 02:10 PM
Interesting, so the camel just needed to be real skinny and he could enter the gate. That's one I've never heard. Just ignore the fact that Jesus is all about helping the poor and is against greed and wealth. This interpretation definitely makes the most sense!


You realize the eye of a needle was a small gate in Israel.

Do you have a verse because the one you quotes is not the case. Furthermore, he is still not talking about forcing the people to give up their wealth.

Your efficiency argument is 1.) False 2.) not Relevant.

Freely giving something vs being forced to give up something is not in any way shape or form the same thing. Try again champ.

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 02:15 PM
Also, "thou shall not kill", unless it's muslims, then it's ok to nuke the entire area like posters here like to say. It's ok to kill civilians as long as the terrorists are getting killed. This of course will not create more terrorists to replace the dead ones.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-civilian-deaths-syria-iraq-middle-east-a7649486.html

sooby
03-27-2017, 02:39 PM
One thing here I don't get here is so forgive my ignorance:

Wouldn't the old testament be considered true Christianity and the true teachings of Jesus Christ? But now people are saying that Christianity has been quote on quote "reformed" by man. So wouldn't that mean that people of today aren't following "true" Christianity? And aren't following the true messages and teachings of Jesus but instead following a Christianity rewritten by man instead of god to better suit this new era?

cliffs: nobody is following true Christianity?

Qong
03-27-2017, 02:48 PM
Terrible posts OP.

I know several "Modern Evangelical Christians," including my uncle and aunt. They are all very good people who go out of their way to help others. Do you go out of your way to help others? I doubt it. From what you've shown here with your posts, you go out of your way to attack people you know nothing about.

NVious
03-27-2017, 02:53 PM
Also, "thou shall not kill", unless it's muslims, then it's ok to nuke the entire area like posters here like to say. It's ok to kill civilians as long as the terrorists are getting killed. This of course will not create more terrorists to replace the dead ones.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-civilian-deaths-syria-iraq-middle-east-a7649486.html

It's incredible how dumb you are.

There wouldn't even be Christian societies if the Crusaders hadn't pushed back the Islamic filth.

Would you prefer to be Muslim or what you are today? Because if it wasn't for Christians you'd 100% be Muslim.

As far as nuking the middle east, from a purely utilitarian perspective, you could make the argument because of how much garbage relative to how much utility comes out of the region. Some nukes would be immense pain for at most a few seconds while allowing the middle east to continue causes more pain per second to more people than any nuke would. Ironically you are ok with more people suffering (the same evil you accuse others of, you display yourself) because of the pleasure they derive, which is fine, but it is funny that if you were debating this philosophically you would get your ass handed to you.

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 03:00 PM
Terrible posts OP.

I know several "Modern Evangelical Christians," including my uncle and aunt. They are all very good people who go out of their way to help others. Do you go out of your way to help others? I doubt it. From what you've shown here with your posts, you go out of your way to attack people you know nothing about.

Seems they do it to be self serving and go to heaven one day, not because they actually care about the poor. Not saying this is your family but it is a lot of them. If they really wanted to help they would vote democrat to increase their tax rate and support programs to help the poor and needy, but they do not do this because then they'd really have to give an amount that will make a substantial difference.

Not saying I agree with socialism or communism, I just don't like Christians that are ok with war mongering, deporting illegals who are trying to make a life for themselves, ending free school lunches for poor kids, all the while wanting to spend huge amounts more on wars and the millitary industrial complex.

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 03:03 PM
You're not a Christian and I'm not debating about what type of civilization is the best. I already know you don't care about your fellow human beings unless they're white, you don't need to defend anything to me you are consistent in your bigotry.


It's incredible how dumb you are.

There wouldn't even be Christian societies if the Crusaders hadn't pushed back the Islamic filth.

Would you prefer to be Muslim or what you are today? Because if it wasn't for Christians you'd 100% be Muslim.

As far as nuking the middle east, from a purely utilitarian perspective, you could make the argument because of how much garbage relative to how much utility comes out of the region. Some nukes would be immense pain for at most a few seconds while allowing the middle east to continue causes more pain per second to more people than any nuke would. Ironically you are ok with more people suffering (the same evil you accuse others of, you display yourself) because of the pleasure they derive, which is fine, but it is funny that if you were debating this philosophically you would get your ass handed to you.

Austanian
03-27-2017, 03:19 PM
Interesting, so the camel just needed to be real skinny and he could enter the gate. That's one I've never heard. Just ignore the fact that Jesus is all about helping the poor and is against greed and wealth. This interpretation definitely makes the most sense!

Or he was making a comment to a group of people listening to the sermon and wanted to relate to the crowd.

Supposedly, you could fit a camel through it, but you needed to strip everything off it and get it to kneel through the gate way. AKA a giant pain in the ass.


However, you have still failed to produce a case where he told people to take from others and then re-gift it to the needy... Part of the journey was suppose to be a test of faith an character. Doing something through forceful needs is not the inline with Christianity.

NVious
03-27-2017, 03:22 PM
You're not a Christian and I'm not debating about what type of civilization is the best. I already know you don't care about your fellow human beings unless they're white, you don't need to defend anything to me you are consistent in your bigotry.

Kek you're so scared, I love it.

That's what happens when you get intellectually trounced.

I do respect you've made it clear that I've thoroughly destroyed you, but I will be popping into your threads and exposing your buffoonery, so don't mind me too much. Just ignore my posts and pretend you didn't get verbally decimated, you can argue with easier arguments or people that aren't aware of your slimeball tricks and won't call you out on them.

Keep up the good fight, with one more claim that someone else is racist or bigoted you'll finally destroy the what was an imminent fourth Reich.

Qong
03-27-2017, 03:24 PM
Seems they do it to be self serving and go to heaven one day, not because they actually care about the poor. Not saying this is your family but it is a lot of them. If they really wanted to help they would vote democrat to increase their tax rate and support programs to help the poor and needy, but they do not do this because then they'd really have to give an amount that will make a substantial difference.

Not saying I agree with socialism or communism, I just don't like Christians that are ok with war mongering, deporting illegals who are trying to make a life for themselves, ending free school lunches for poor kids, all the while wanting to spend huge amounts more on wars and the millitary industrial complex.

We really don't have any idea why people do things. Sure it's reasonable to think that they are self-serving in some way (think that it will help them get into heaven for example) because we know that people are selfish but that's also us judging them and their actions. I think that it's especially silly to judge a person's actions when they are doing good. As I pointed out with my own family and as was pointed out earlier in the thread: Conservatives are very giving people. They give more than liberals. It doesn't matter what the reasoning is, we should just give them a nod for the good that they are doing.

As for the war topic: I think that the majority of Christians believe in fighting for good. I doubt that many Christians would support unjust wars but just wars being fought for good aren't a bad thing. No Christian that I know wants to let evil win.

Deporting illegals: Valuing in the law isn't un-Christian at all. Most Americans, including Christian Americans, believe that the Constitution should determine the law of our land, not any religious book, including the Bible. If a person is breaking our laws they should be punished.

Free lunches: I'm not sure what that has to do with being Christian. Christians donate plenty to people who are actually hungry. The reality is that being obese is a far more common problem for American children than being hungry is.

Austanian
03-27-2017, 03:24 PM
Also, "thou shall not kill", unless it's muslims, then it's ok to nuke the entire area like posters here like to say. It's ok to kill civilians as long as the terrorists are getting killed. This of course will not create more terrorists to replace the dead ones.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-civilian-deaths-syria-iraq-middle-east-a7649486.html

War is very common in the bible. Wars were even sanctioned by "god". Hell an entire city (besides a whore house) was leveled and every person was killed by God's command. (Yes, I think it is a load of chit, but you are attempting an argument of commandments and using easily refuted cases.)

In this case Islam is outwardly hostile and prevents the spreading of the "word of God" by violence. Not only that they also persecute the Christians in their areas. Thus, easy to justify in biblical terms.

Darkness2Light
03-27-2017, 03:24 PM
say whatever you want douchebags, but go to a christian church, any christian church anywhere in the usa and i guarantee you they will help you. these idiots at the christian charities are helping to bring all the refugees over as it is because they wanna be "good".

now go to a mosque somewhere in iraq and see if they help you. you will get your fukin head chopped

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 03:36 PM
You have to apply a huge amount of cognitive dissonance to say "Thou shall not kill" then be ok with wars that kill millions of people. It's all ok if they just ask god for forgiveness after? Why is it ok to follow a religion that thinks war is an option but then flips out if Muslims say the same thing with their Jihad? Seems both religions are two sides of the same coin.



War is very common in the bible. Wars were even sanctioned by "god". Hell an entire city (besides a whore house) was leveled and every person was killed by God's command. (Yes, I think it is a load of chit, but you are attempting an argument of commandments and using easily refuted cases.)

In this case Islam is outwardly hostile and prevents the spreading of the "word of God" by violence. Not only that they also persecute the Christians in their areas. Thus, easy to justify in biblical terms.

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 03:42 PM
We really don't have any idea why people do things. Sure it's reasonable to think that they are self-serving in some way (think that it will help them get into heaven for example) because we know that people are selfish but that's also us judging them and their actions. I think that it's especially silly to judge a person's actions when they are doing good. As I pointed out with my own family and as was pointed out earlier in the thread: Conservatives are very giving people. They give more than liberals. It doesn't matter what the reasoning is, we should just give them a nod for the good that they are doing.

As for the war topic: I think that the majority of Christians believe in fighting for good. I doubt that many Christians would support unjust wars but just wars being fought for good aren't a bad thing. No Christian that I know wants to let evil win.

Deporting illegals: Valuing in the law isn't un-Christian at all. Most Americans, including Christian Americans, believe that the Constitution should determine the law of our land, not any religious book, including the Bible. If a person is breaking our laws they should be punished.

Free lunches: I'm not sure what that has to do with being Christian. Christians donate plenty to people who are actually hungry. The reality is that being obese is a far more common problem for American children than being hungry is.

So Christians prefer to value the law instead of doing the right thing? Jesus himself was a rebel against the Romans because he saw the injustices of the current "laws". If Christians support war then they are no better than Muslims with their Jihad. I agree churches are very giving, but to me it is all a con for the pastors to live a lavish lifestyle. The power of the government to help the people dwarfs any donations that can be giving by tithing in which the pastors are taking a huge cut. You are talking about 8% of income going to charity at best vs 50-75% that would be required for the rich to give under some democratic platforms.

Qong
03-27-2017, 04:05 PM
So Christians prefer to value the law instead of doing the right thing? Jesus himself was a rebel against the Romans because he saw the injustices of the current "laws". If Christians support war then they are no better than Muslims with their Jihad. I agree churches are very giving, but to me it is all a con for the pastors to live a lavish lifestyle. The power of the government to help the people dwarfs any donations that can be giving by tithing in which the pastors are taking a huge cut. You are talking about 8% of income going to charity at best vs 50-75% that would be required for the rich to give under some democratic platforms.

I don't think that most Christians feel that allowing foreigners to break our laws is the right thing. As I said, Christian Americans believe that the Constitution determines the law of our land, not the Bible. These illegal immigrants are economic opportunists more than anything else. They don't need help, they want jobs. They originate from countries where the environment for the private sector isn't free so finding good jobs in their countries of origin is tough.

There isn't much of a comparison between Islamic jihadists and any sort of Christian. No Christian is running around trying to force their religion onto other people. Muslims are the only ones doing that. No Christians are invading non-Christian countries and trying to force Christianity onto them. Muslims are the only ones doing that too.

Fighting for good is something that all reasonable people are for in my view, and that includes Christians. Some fights are worth fighting.

katya422
03-27-2017, 04:25 PM
Don't really have a dog in this fight, but, once again, it is "thou shalt not murder".


There are two different Hebrew words (ratsakh, mut) and two Greek words (phoneuo, apokteino) for “murder” and “killing.” One means “to put to death,” and the other means “to murder.” The latter one is the one prohibited by the Ten Commandments, not the former.


So, is there a difference between murder and killing? First, it is important to note that not all killing is wrong. For instance, the apostle Paul talks about the right of the state to take the lives of evildoers (Romans 13:1-7). This relates to what is commonly referred to as capital punishment. Most countries have consequences for murder. In some cases this requires the life of the perpetrator and a suitable means of putting one to death is chosen and administered (Matthew 5:21; Exodus 21:14). Another instance of acceptable “killing” is that which is done during times of war and at the command of superiors. There were quite a few instances in Scripture where God endorsed and allowed the taking of other lives (1 Samuel 11; Judges 6–7). And finally, although far from acceptable, manslaughter is yet another form of killing someone. This unintentional act apparently happened so often in biblical times that cities of refuge were designated for the manslayer to seek refuge in (Exodus 21:13; Joshua 20). Again, it was never God’s intent to have to use such a drastic measure as taking one’s life to rectify a situation. So, God does make exceptions for the taking of another’s life as long as it lines up with His will. However, premeditated murder of an individual is never God’s will.

What is murder in God’s eyes? From the human perspective, murder is the physical act of taking another’s life. However, we also must consider that God defines murder as any thought or feeling of deep-seated hatred or malice against another person. In other words, it is more than just a physical act that constitutes murder to God, who tells us that “everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him” (1 John 3:15 ESV). When we harbor hatred in our hearts for another, we have committed the sin of murder in God’s eyes. The disdain towards another person never has to be demonstrated outwardly because God looks upon the heart for the truth (1 Samuel 16:7; Matthew 15:19). As Christians and as human beings, we know that unjustified killing is wrong. God’s Word is very clear on this point: “You shall not murder.” And what God says we must obey, or we face the consequences on judgment day.

The organized Christian religion is definitely flawed. Maybe there are a faithful few, but definitely lots of tares among the wheat and pharisees. Catch that last paragraph and think about, oh, that crazy baptist group that hassles people at funeral e.g.

cheerupemokid
03-27-2017, 04:27 PM
>Leftists hate religion, God and Jesus
>Leftists constantly ask Christians why they don't follow their religion how they interpret it (people who hate religion will no doubt have no ideological spin)

At the same time these are the very same people who will say ISIS and other terrorist Muslims who quote the scripture are perverting the religion of Islam.

Real theological scholars they are.

Yep, it's not lost on most of us that they didn't actually quote any scripture.

A few examples of the top of my head of things Jesus said that expose the kumbaya stuff as nonsense:

Do not suppose that I came to bring peace to Earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

Don't cast your pearls before swine

I am the way, the truth, and the life. None come to the father except through me.

miamiceo
03-27-2017, 04:28 PM
Leviticus 19 says, “The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.”
Yet Romans 13 says, “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God,” and “whoever resists authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.”
And, in Matthew 22, Jesus tells us to “love your neighbor as yourself.”

Christians are not being true to the bible if they want to deport undocumented immigrants who are trying to make a better life for themselves.

Christians ARE trying to force their religion onto other people. They want to implement creationism in schools instead of having evolution being taught. They want to push views against gay marriage and rights because of passages in the bible. They want to ban abortion because they say killing is wrong, but they are ok with war? Also once the fetus is born, the babies are pretty much on their own if their parents cannot afford to feed them or provide adequate healthcare.

I agree sometimes war is an inevitability to preserve freedoms, though I think this is very rare. I also think the majority of Christians are emotionally detached and support wars while young people who really obtain no benefit from it go off to die so rich old men can line their pockets even more.


I don't think that most Christians feel that allowing foreigners to break our laws is the right thing. As I said, Christian Americans believe that the Constitution determines the law of our land, not the Bible. These illegal immigrants are economic opportunists more than anything else. They don't need help, they want jobs. They originate from countries where the environment for the private sector isn't free so finding good jobs in their countries of origin is tough.

There isn't much of a comparison between Islamic jihadists and any sort of Christian. No Christian is running around trying to force their religion onto other people. Muslims are the only ones doing that. No Christians are invading non-Christian countries and trying to force Christianity onto them. Muslims are the only ones doing that too.

Fighting for good is something that all reasonable people are for in my view, and that includes Christians. Some fights are worth fighting.

letshavebabies
03-27-2017, 04:47 PM
some people just really hate christians huh

Evolutionary1
03-27-2017, 05:01 PM
When people post things like this about Islam its shouted down from the heavens as being bigoted. But when its about Christianity its all fair game. Hmm I wonder what side progressives are on.

While I do agree that there are a ton of hypocritical Christians, I have never heard someone yell Merry Christmas before a bomb goes off.

While I don't specifically adhere to any religion, The lessons Jesus teaches are very important and wonderful things.This, the libs are getting cucked by islam and they don't even know it.

cheerupemokid
03-27-2017, 05:12 PM
Leviticus 19 says, “The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.”
Yet Romans 13 says, “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God,” and “whoever resists authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.”
And, in Matthew 22, Jesus tells us to “love your neighbor as yourself.”

Christians are not being true to the bible if they want to deport undocumented immigrants who are trying to make a better life for themselves.

Christians ARE trying to force their religion onto other people. They want to implement creationism in schools instead of having evolution being taught. They want to push views against gay marriage and rights because of passages in the bible. They want to ban abortion because they say killing is wrong, but they are ok with war? Also once the fetus is born, the babies are pretty much on their own if their parents cannot afford to feed them or provide adequate healthcare.

I agree sometimes war is an inevitability to preserve freedoms, though I think this is very rare. I also think the majority of Christians are emotionally detached and support wars while young people who really obtain no benefit from it go off to die so rich old men can line their pockets even more.

Leviticus applies to Jews. Christianity expands the path of salvation to the gentiles and they are not bound by Old Testament law because Jesus was the fulfillment of the law. This is why Christians aren't required to be circumcised.

The Bible makes it clear that you are to respect the ruling authorities of the government (as long as they're not interfering with your worship). So illegal immigrants are actually not adhering to the Bible when they ignore American laws through illegal immigration, and even more so when they steal identities.

cashinout
03-27-2017, 05:17 PM
yea im sure jesus would want the state that executed him to handle healthcare

fukin lol

wonder what these states have in common

http://i.imgur.com/U7jMptr.jpg

weddingsoup
03-27-2017, 05:48 PM
https://preview.ibb.co/e6sMtv/jesus4.jpg

forensic scientists actually reconstructed jesus's face with wax and other materials:

https://whatstheaction.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/jesus2.jpg?w=723

trailwarrior
03-27-2017, 05:54 PM
At the same time these are the very same people who will say ISIS and other terrorist Muslims who quote the scripture are perverting the religion of Islam.At least they are being consistent! Conservatives will be conservative, whether Christianity or Islam.

Austanian
03-27-2017, 06:32 PM
You have to apply a huge amount of cognitive dissonance to say "Thou shall not kill" then be ok with wars that kill millions of people. It's all ok if they just ask god for forgiveness after? Why is it ok to follow a religion that thinks war is an option but then flips out if Muslims say the same thing with their Jihad? Seems both religions are two sides of the same coin.

If you compared current day Muslims to 14th century Christians I would completely agree with you.


Modern-day Christians think I am going to hell for my belief structure.

Modern-day Muslims want to send me to hell for my belief structure.


If you can't see the VAST difference from those belief structures you are dumber than I can imagine. Simply put I have no problem putting them in the ground because if you went to those regions your head would no longer be attached.

sawoobley
03-27-2017, 06:40 PM
https://image.ibb.co/hT2zfa/jesus5.jpg

Perhaps you should read the entire chapter of John 6 so you can get an idea why the socialists had a hard time following Jesus. They didn't want to work and wanted to leech off of his ability to create bread through the power of God. When they realized he wasn't going to give them a free lunch except for those 2 or 3 times when his listeners spent the whole day with him and he decided to feed them and thereby demonstrate his compassion and power as the Son of God they ditched him. Jesus expected his followers to provide for themselves or in the case of the apostles rely on the charity of others who were willing to impart of their substance freely.


25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?

26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

sawoobley
03-27-2017, 06:49 PM
Also, "thou shall not kill", unless it's muslims, then it's ok to nuke the entire area like posters here like to say. It's ok to kill civilians as long as the terrorists are getting killed. This of course will not create more terrorists to replace the dead ones.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-civilian-deaths-syria-iraq-middle-east-a7649486.html


A more correct translation is Do Not Murder. The video below fully explains this and why your comment doesn't make sense.


0RENPaY043o

fitnessislife
03-27-2017, 08:09 PM
Matthew 19:24: Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

Jesus specifically says you will not enter heaven if you want to be rich. Jesus wants everybody to be equally poor. Why are you ignoring this?

That's not even remotely close to what the meaning of those words are. It means a rich man can't be saved by human effort, only by divine intervention.

There really is nothing more embarrassing watching libs (who already hate Christianity) trying to interpret it so it fits their narrative.


The most efficient way to help the poor in modern days is taxing the rich so that they are no longer rich and can help the needy.

Um, no it isn't. Never has there been a time in history when the poor were made rich by making the rich poor.

BFast55
03-27-2017, 08:13 PM
One thing here I don't get here is so forgive my ignorance:

Wouldn't the old testament be considered true Christianity and the true teachings of Jesus Christ? But now people are saying that Christianity has been quote on quote "reformed" by man. So wouldn't that mean that people of today aren't following "true" Christianity? And aren't following the true messages and teachings of Jesus but instead following a Christianity rewritten by man instead of god to better suit this new era?

cliffs: nobody is following true Christianity?
Swing an a miss.

BFast55
03-27-2017, 08:17 PM
Perhaps you should read the entire chapter of John 6 so you can get an idea why the socialists had a hard time following Jesus. They didn't want to work and wanted to leech off of his ability to create bread through the power of God. When they realized he wasn't going to give them a free lunch except for those 2 or 3 times when his listeners spent the whole day with him and he decided to feed them and thereby demonstrate his compassion and power as the Son of God they ditched him. Jesus expected his followers to provide for themselves or in the case of the apostles rely on the charity of others who were willing to impart of their substance freely.


A more correct translation is Do Not Murder. The video below fully explains this and why your comment doesn't make sense.


0RENPaY043o

Don't bother, bro. This strain of atheism is garbage. They oversimplify Christianity to make it an easy target. It says more about them than anything. Regardless they can not be reasoned with. It is way more important that they feel edgy so they can fill your starbucks order with gusto.

sooby
03-27-2017, 10:27 PM
Swing an a miss.

it was an honest question

trailwarrior
03-27-2017, 10:50 PM
A more correct translation is Do Not Murder. The video below fully explains this and why your comment doesn't make sense.There is a much stronger case to be made 'Biblically' for banning guns than there is for banning abortions...

Exodus 20:13 ¶ Thou shalt not kill [7523 z8799]
http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/exodus/20.html

Exodus 21:12 ¶ He that smiteth [5221 z8688] a man,so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/exodus/21.html

Leviticus 24:17 ¶ And he that killeth [5221 z8686] any man shall surely be put to death.
http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/leviticus/24.html



The Fetus in Jewish Law
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-fetus-in-jewish-law

Murder in Jewish law is based upon Exodus 21:12, where it is written: “He that smiteth a man so that he dieth shall surely be put to death.” The word “man” is interpreted by the sages to mean a man but not a fetus. Thus, the destruction of an unborn fetus is not considered murder.

Another pertinent scriptural passage is Leviticus 24:17, where it states: “And he that smiteth any person mortally shall surely be put to death.” However, an unborn fetus is not considered a person or nefesh and, therefore, its destruction does not incur the death penalty.

Turning to talmudic sources, the Mishnah asserts the following: “If a woman is having difficulty in giving birth [and her life is in danger], one cuts up the fetus within her womb and extracts it limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over that of the fetus. But if the greater part was already born, one may not touch it, for one may not set aside one person’s life for that of another.”

sawoobley
03-27-2017, 11:06 PM
There is a much stronger case to be made 'Biblically' for banning guns than there is for banning abortions...

Exodus 20:13 ¶ Thou shalt not kill [7523 z8799]
http://qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/exodus/20.html

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here but your source also says the commandment is to not murder.


http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p511/yofro24555/DoNotMurder_zpsigsvynri.jpg (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/yofro24555/media/DoNotMurder_zpsigsvynri.jpg.html)

BetaAsPhuck
03-28-2017, 01:15 AM
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here but your source also says the commandment is to not murder.


http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p511/yofro24555/DoNotMurder_zpsigsvynri.jpg (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/yofro24555/media/DoNotMurder_zpsigsvynri.jpg.html)

That picture you posted says 'especially' in the definition, which does not mean exclusively.

So the commandment would read; thou shalt not kill - seeing as even in the definition it does not say that it means exclusively murder.

miamiceo
03-28-2017, 05:45 AM
What I've learned so far from replies here, Christians think though shalt not kill doesn't apply to wars, those are ok. Love thy neighbor only applies to Jews, so kicking away immigrants is ok. It is ok to be rich and greedy as long as you get divine intervention. Abortions are mentioned and banned in the old testament so we should cherry pick to follow that lesson but ignore the ones we don't like. I'm sure I've missed some, but seems you need to put a lot of spin to reach some of the conclusions you people arrive to instead of applying the most obvious meaning of the bible quotes. Basically, being a douche is OK because you were able to spin some words and meanings in the bible to support your evil ways.

sawoobley
03-28-2017, 06:07 AM
That picture you posted says 'especially' in the definition, which does not mean exclusively.

So the commandment would read; thou shalt not kill - seeing as even in the definition it does not say that it means exclusively murder.

Yes because the words murder and ratsach don't translate perfectly but if you watched the video he explains it is very similar. Ratsach could be more fully explained as any killing done in the manner of a predatory animal such as an angry reaction to stimulus or lying in wait as one waits for prey. This would likely apply to crimes of passion, premeditated killing, it could be during war if pursued under certain predatory conditions (not for defense, liberation, freedom, etc), and possibly abortion if the fetus is human and it is done for convenience. None of these definitions mentioned above apply to deaths incurred during a normal war or capital punishment because there are times when taking a life is justified.

If the word ratsach were to mean anything but how it was defined above there would be clear, contextual clues but we don't see those in the Exodus verse for thou shalt not kill/murder. Again, the video I posted is of a man who speaks Hebrew and who has studied the bible (especially the torah) in great detail. He is trying to explain to you a more accurate definition of the verse and as I posted it is defined more accurately as murder than just killing.