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JDSir
02-28-2017, 08:05 PM
srs do you feel betrayed or do you support his thinking

ImJJames
02-28-2017, 08:07 PM
Deport illegals with criminal records.

Keep tax paying, law abiding illegals not on welfare through amnesty.

Whats the problem? Its a great compromise.

JDSir
02-28-2017, 08:09 PM
Deport illegals with criminal records.

Keep tax paying, law abiding illegals not on welfare through amnesty.

Whats the problem? Its a great compromise.
rational thinking boyo typically ive seen his supporters hostile towards any form of amnesty towards law abiding immigrants that came outside of legal means

wesleysh21
02-28-2017, 08:14 PM
As long as people are legal on on the grid, I don't really care. I just care about people sneaking in and staying off the grid. How the hell are you supposed to track someone down if they commit a crime, if you don't even know they exist or anything about them? I also don't like the idea of terrorists using our porous border to sneak in.

But legal immigration or merit testing people (as he said) to give a path to some sort of legal status? No problem.

quadfecta
02-28-2017, 08:19 PM
It's true that all major acts of terrorism in recent years have been carried out by people who came from outside the country. Without discriminating against one specific group of people, you have to limit immigration for everyone. That's not even addressing the border issue with illegals coming in from mexico.

Also need to reform our trade policies. There's 0 reason that other countries should be allowed to ship products to the US for next to nothing, while we get raped by duties and other taxes just because we're one of the largest producers of goods in the world

RobParks2M
02-28-2017, 08:22 PM
Deport illegals with criminal records.

Keep tax paying, law abiding illegals not on welfare through amnesty.

Whats the problem? Its a great compromise.

Exactly. Why do we constantly have to have gridlock when we can all compromise? Trump is good with making deals this is what Trumpers wanted. Decisive action. I have no issue keeping people here who pay taxes and have jobs that can sustain them. If they can't make it on their own though they are not deserving of living on our government benefits. Those are for citizens.

YesWayNoWeigh
02-28-2017, 08:24 PM
A lot of them who were all "you have to go back" now say "it's not a flip flop, great compromise" to continue the usual gymnastics

holtmcg
02-28-2017, 08:24 PM
Republicans love amnesty.

holtmcg
02-28-2017, 08:25 PM
A lot of them who were all "you have to go back" now say "it's not a flip flop, great compromise" to continue the usual gymnasticshttp://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=173579961&pagenumber=2


This thread is a brilliant example of this, lol.

WestAfrica
02-28-2017, 08:26 PM
If illegals come to America and get jobs and pay taxes aren't they still taking jobs from Americans?

Qong
02-28-2017, 08:28 PM
What exactly is "immigration reform" in your view OP?

To me it seems that our current immigration policies are horrible. The greatest and baby boom generations, before the mass immigration, were working jobs that paid the equivalent of $30-$40 an hour with no educational requirements. Today we have, as Trump pointed out, a quarter of people in their prime working years, millennials, our generation, without a job period, let alone a job that pays $40 an hour.

Reform would be changing, reverting, policies that allowed for that to happen. Our work force has been completely demolished by globalist policies over the past 50+ years. American workers no longer have the same opportunities that previous generations had because of those immigration policies.

To me "immigration reform" means stop allowing the mass immigration of crazy people into our country. Stop allowing extremist Muslims into our country. Stop allowing communists and socialists who will work for pennies and vote for the government to take care of them and their families instead into our country. That's "immigration reform" to me. Current immigration policies are garbage. They need to be discarded.

RobParks2M
02-28-2017, 08:30 PM
If illegals come to America and get jobs and pay taxes aren't they still taking jobs from Americans?

Lmao why are all you liberals suddenly mad that conservatives are willing to compromise and agree to some of your terms? Shouldn't you be happy that the conservatives are willing to make an effort to work with the other side of the isle or are you mad it doesn't fit your agenda of plunging the country into the toilet to spite Trump? How many windows have you smashed in the "protests"??

Besides most people are aware the nightmare of trying to make people leave logistically. I am really shocked you're mad that people are being reasonable.

WestAfrica
02-28-2017, 08:33 PM
Lmao why are all you liberals suddenly mad that conservatives are willing to compromise and agree to some of your terms? Shouldn't you be happy that the conservatives are willing to make an effort to work with the other side of the isle or are you mad it doesn't fit your agenda of plunging the country into the toilet to spite Trump? How many windows have you smashed in the "protests"??

Besides most people are aware the nightmare of trying to make people leave logistically. I am really shocked you're mad that people are being reasonable.

Idk what "you liberals" means. I didn't vote for, nor support Hilary. I've smashed over 1,000 windows, burned 27 bridges, and stolen 5 station wagons.

RobParks2M
02-28-2017, 08:34 PM
Idk what "you liberals" means. I didn't vote for, nor support Hilary. I've smashed over 1,000 windows, burned 27 bridges, and stolen 5 station wagons.

Myron. Any wagons for sale? huehuehue

But srs why are you upset about a compromise

MiamiLife305
02-28-2017, 08:39 PM
Deport illegals with criminal records.

Keep tax paying, law abiding illegals not on welfare through amnesty.

Whats the problem? Its a great compromise.

/thread

what more is there to say?

holtmcg
02-28-2017, 08:41 PM
Lmao why are all you liberals suddenly mad that conservatives are willing to compromise and agree to some of your terms? Shouldn't you be happy that the conservatives are willing to make an effort to work with the other side of the isle or are you mad it doesn't fit your agenda of plunging the country into the toilet to spite Trump? How many windows have you smashed in the "protests"??

Besides most people are aware the nightmare of trying to make people leave logistically. I am really shocked you're mad that people are being reasonable.Just shows hypocrisy. I, personally, think it's hilarious. Watching republicans get triggered about immigration is my favorite form of comedy (serious).

chivasregal
02-28-2017, 08:42 PM
/thread

what more is there to say?

You must be new.

They didn't always think this way. They always believed he would deport all 11 million illegals. Donald also believed that.

Let's not pretend they always thought that way. I always said it. We don't need a wall, we don't need to do mass deportations. Immigration reform all the way. Get to the foundation of the problem and get the bad dudes out. ive been saying that all along

Once again, chivasregal is right.

holtmcg
02-28-2017, 08:42 PM
What exactly is "immigration reform" in your view OP?

To me it seems that our current immigration policies are horrible. The greatest and baby boom generations, before the mass immigration, were working jobs that paid the equivalent of $30-$40 an hour with no educational requirements. Today we have, as Trump pointed out, a quarter of people in their prime working years, millennials, our generation, without a job period, let alone a job that pays $40 an hour.

Reform would be changing, reverting, policies that allowed for that to happen. Our work force has been completely demolished by globalist policies over the past 50+ years. American workers no longer have the same opportunities that previous generations had because of those immigration policies.

To me "immigration reform" means stop allowing the mass immigration of crazy people into our country. Stop allowing extremist Muslims into our country. Stop allowing communists and socialists who will work for pennies and vote for the government to take care of them and their families instead into our country. That's "immigration reform" to me. Current immigration policies are garbage. They need to be discarded.You can thank the Republicans for giving 100% control to corporations. I give them a round of applause.

Azrairc
02-28-2017, 08:44 PM
I think they should all be deported because that's what the current law is. Bottom line is trump could compromise ten times over and it would still be much better than what libtards had to offer, which was nothing but encouraging of nannying illegals and open boarders. Blanket amnesty which trump is not doing would be unacceptable line to cross, but even if trump DID that and simply secured the wall and boarder it would be better than what libtards have to offer.

Cliffs
-libtards offer nothing on immigration
-trumps worst offering is x10 better
-trump would have to abandon securing the boarder, building wall, offer blanket amnesty and encourage illegal immigration to be on a even level with libtards
-^ trumps worst compromise won't come close to that

Libs continue crying

MiamiLife305
02-28-2017, 08:44 PM
You must be new.

They didn't always think this way. They always believed he would deport all 11 million illegals. Donald also believed that.

Let's not pretend they always thought that way. I always said it. We don't need a wall, we don't need to do mass deportations. Immigration reform all the way. Get to the foundation of the problem and get the bad dudes out. ive been saying that all along

Once again, chivasregal is right.


Then shame on them for thinking deporting 100% of illegals was the right thing to do

holtmcg
02-28-2017, 08:46 PM
I think they should all be deported because that's what the current law is. Bottom line is trump could compromise ten times over and it would still be much better than what libtards had to offer, which was nothing but encouraging of nannying illegals and open boarders. Blanket amnesty which trump is not doing would be unacceptable line to cross, but even if trump DID that and simply secured the wall and boarder it would be better than what libtards have to offer.

Cliffs
-libtards offer nothing on immigration
-trumps worst offering is x10 better
-trump would have to abandon securing the boarder, building wall, offer blanket amnesty and encourage illegal immigration to be on a even level with libtards
-^ trumps worst compromise won't come close to that

Libs continue cryingI prefer illegal aliens having jobs over Americans (dead serious). It makes the profit margin for companies higher which, as a shareholder, helps my portfolio (also serious).

Azrairc
02-28-2017, 08:49 PM
I prefer illegal aliens having jobs over Americans (dead serious). It makes the profit margin for companies higher which, as a shareholder, helps my portfolio (also serious).

Congratulations, want a cookie?

holtmcg
02-28-2017, 08:50 PM
Congratulations, want a cookie?Not at all. Just want my portfolio to be the best that it can be. Illegal aliens make that possible. I'm glad Trump is granting amnesty.


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WestAfrica
02-28-2017, 08:50 PM
If illegals can come, work, and stay here if they contribute then what exactly is the point of the wall?

holtmcg
02-28-2017, 08:51 PM
If illegals can come, work, and stay here if they contribute then what exactly is the point of the wall?ego (srs)

MiamiLife305
02-28-2017, 08:53 PM
I prefer illegal aliens having jobs over Americans (dead serious). It makes the profit margin for companies higher which, as a shareholder, helps my portfolio (also serious).

You are such a fuking troll

holtmcg
02-28-2017, 08:54 PM
You are such a fuking trollBecause I like money? Lol okay phaget.

mCheech
02-28-2017, 08:57 PM
Considering I always supported keeping the law abiding workers, just fine.

seanb1979
02-28-2017, 08:57 PM
Idk what "you liberals" means. I didn't vote for, nor support Hilary. I've smashed over 1,000 windows, burned 27 bridges, and stolen 5 station wagons.

got any sweet wood panels laying around?

Unstumpable
02-28-2017, 08:59 PM
I'd prefer to have them all gone. But if Trump wants to make some compromises I will back my president.

WestAfrica
02-28-2017, 09:01 PM
got any sweet wood panels laying around?

I used them to make my home.

HoganIsGOAT
02-28-2017, 09:03 PM
More fake news.

Qong
02-28-2017, 09:04 PM
You can thank the Republicans for giving 100% control to corporations. I give them a round of applause.

That's a part of the problem for sure.

H-1B visas for example: They are being used by major companies to ship jobs that should be American jobs overseas. These companies sponsor and hire foreign workers and teach them things, whatever it may be, they then implement what they learned in their home countries and operate what are basically subsidiary businesses there that replace and eliminate American jobs.

Whether that's right is up for debate and isn't what I'm discussing. What I'm discussing is whether it's acceptable for America and its people to retaliate against such activities. That last point there is what is important.

If it's okay for a company to ship jobs overseas then it's okay for America to retaliate against such activities. Tariffs and taxes on the goods and services that they create and provide. Make it so shipping jobs overseas is not beneficial to a company. Can they do it? Sure. They're Americans, they're free to do as they wish. But we shouldn't make it more profitable for them than hiring Americans.

We've talked about this or similar topics before.

It's ridiculous that Americans are crying and complaining that they aren't getting paid $15 an hour when they should be getting paid twice that. And they would be getting paid twice that if not for the massive amounts of immigrants that we have taken in over the past 50 years and the massive amounts of jobs that we have allowed to shift overseas.

5x10
02-28-2017, 09:04 PM
I'm down with a compromise
Recently had work done to my house
Contracted it out, called about 5 people in all to quote
2 illegals called me back, the Americans didn't
Guy did a great job, have recommended

I think there are some jobs Americans don't want that illegals currently occupy
Have them buy into the system and pay like we all pay
No problemo

But, if you have a record, you have to go back

OPGenesis
02-28-2017, 09:07 PM
Trump setting up the democrats for yuge victories in the future if he's goes through with it.

Of course, this is all speculation at this juncture.

All of the people he is going to grant amnesty to are in favor of huge government and entitlements.

Good luck with re election goals if he pulls the trigger on amnesty.

seanb1979
02-28-2017, 09:07 PM
I used them to make my home.

ill give you $67 and half a box of cracker jacks for one

OPGenesis
02-28-2017, 09:08 PM
I'm down with a compromise
Recently had work done to my house
Contracted it out, called about 5 people in all to quote
2 illegals called me back, the Americans didn't
Guy did a great job, have recommended

I think there are some jobs Americans don't want that illegals currently occupy
Have them buy into the system and pay like we all pay
No problemo

But, if you have a record, you have to go back

They compromised back in the mid 19th century.

We all know how that played out lol.

seanb1979
02-28-2017, 09:08 PM
I'm down with a compromise
Recently had work done to my house
Contracted it out, called about 5 people in all to quote
2 illegals called me back, the Americans didn't
Guy did a great job, have recommended

I think there are some jobs Americans don't want that illegals currently occupy
Have them buy into the system and pay like we all pay
No problemo

But, if you have a record, you have to go back

guys like that help build the economy, and they also consume as much as we do typically... it doesnt have to be a loss, everyone can gain in the end if all are working towards a goal instead of being a criminal or welfare leech... how the hell else we gonna get awesome taco and burrito joints? lol

wickedman
02-28-2017, 09:10 PM
I've always been fine with compromise. In fact I WANT the ones who haven't been committing crimes (outside of the fact they are here illegally) to stay just because I think it will get everything moving. Which means: Build the wall and no new illegal immigration. If the liberals have a problem with that, they can eat **** and we can deport them too.

OPGenesis
02-28-2017, 09:15 PM
I've always been fine with compromise. In fact I WANT the ones who haven't been committing crimes (outside of the fact they are here illegally) to stay just because I think it will get everything moving. Which means: Build the wall and no new illegal immigration. If the liberals have a problem with that, they can eat **** and we can deport them too.

In the meantime, they take all of their income and send it back to Mexico, and ardently still maintain their national identity, refusing to assimilate.

Chuckie Schumer would be ecstatic with this lol.

Qong
02-28-2017, 09:17 PM
Trump setting up the democrats for yuge victories in the future if he's goes through with it.

Of course, this is all speculation at this juncture.

All of the people he is going to grant amnesty to are in favor of huge government and entitlements.

Good luck with re election goals if he pulls the trigger on amnesty.

Great point.

Many of these illegal immigrants, I said this earlier and I think it's pretty accurate so I'm going to say it again: They will work for pennies and expect the government to take care of them and their families. Meaning that they will work for small amounts of money and think that government will take care of them should they have any shortfalls. That drives down wages and increases governmental expenditures for welfare.

That's the reality of the mindset of many illegal immigrants because it's the mindset of the people from the countries that they come from. If you come from a backwater country that was influenced by the communists during the Cold War and before then you likely have many crappy ideas.

Allowing people like that into our country is dangerous, let alone giving them citizenship so they can vote in our elections. That's suicidal.

We need people who do not want the government to provide everything for them. The government should provide two things: A level playing field so everyone can make what they want of their lives and security.

People from South and Central America are used to nanny-state governments where they beg for measly governmental handouts. That isn't American. We Americans will make our own way. Just give us an open road.

wickedman
02-28-2017, 09:20 PM
In the meantime, they take all of their income and send it back to Mexico, and ardently still maintain their national identity, refusing to assimilate.

Chuckie Schumer would be ecstatic with this lol.

Outside of the tard gang bangers who would be deported anyway, when has assimilation by Mexicans ever been an issue? They are catholics and don't do ****. It's not like they want to bring Sharia law to America. When people say they have a problem with people not assimilating to US culture, it really means (in most cases) that they have a problem with people who come here and try to force their dumb ass 3rd world ideology on us.

OPGenesis
02-28-2017, 09:23 PM
Outside of the tard gang bangers who would be deported anyway, when has assimilation by Mexicans ever been an issue? They are catholics and don't do ****. It's not like they want to bring Sharia law to America. When people say they have a problem with people not assimilating to US culture, it really means (in most cases) that they have a problem with people who come here and try to force their dumb ass 3rd world ideology on us.

3rd world mentality = in favor of big government.

Who gives a phuck about if they're Christian or not.

5x10
02-28-2017, 09:25 PM
guys like that help build the economy, and they also consume as much as we do typically... it doesnt have to be a loss, everyone can gain in the end if all are working towards a goal instead of being a criminal or welfare leech... how the hell else we gonna get awesome taco and burrito joints? lolits too bad trump didn't target the leaches, generations upon generation of leaches

wickedman
02-28-2017, 09:29 PM
3rd world mentality = in favor of big government.

Who gives a phuck about if they're Christian or not.

I can't argue with the first point, but the second - imagine if Mexico was an Islamic country? All religion is in general poison, but obviously the pitfalls of Islam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity.

OPGenesis
02-28-2017, 09:31 PM
I can't argue with the first point, but the second - imagine if Mexico was an Islamic country? All religion is in general poison, but obviously the pitfalls of Islam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity.

Christianity has tuned into a cuck religion lol. No one should be concerned about that at all.

Qong
02-28-2017, 09:35 PM
I can't argue with the first point, but the second - imagine if Mexico was an Islamic country? All religion is in general poison, but obviously the pitfalls of Islam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity.

I think you're pretty right on there. When it comes to immigrants Mexicans are much closer to Americans than most other immigrants. Christians. Hard working. Not nearly as communist/socialist as people from countries in Central and South America.

In terms of policy changing danger I would certainly rank immigrants from more heavily communist/socialist countries higher than immigrants from Mexico.

lexbishop
02-28-2017, 09:36 PM
Global economies with too many people = weak middle class. Illegals and H1Bs need to go.

As I've said many times, I'm gonna call out what I don't like. He's going to give amnesty probably which I can't stand. I agree with OPgenesis.

Thank God we didn't get Hillary, but let's be real, Obama deported plenty himself. Trumps whole platform was to give Americans and America First, a better life.

My enthusiasm may disappear if he goes back on it.

NVious
02-28-2017, 09:38 PM
If he doesn't deport em all or try to it's a huge failure, there is no other way to spin it.

It'll further prove that there is nothing that can actually save the US and conflict is inevitable.

Qong
02-28-2017, 09:44 PM
Global economies with too many people = weak middle class. Illegals and H1Bs need to go.

As I've said many times, I'm gonna call out what I don't like. He's going to give amnesty probably which I can't stand. I agree with OPgenesis.

Thank God we didn't get Hillary, but let's be real, Obama deported plenty himself. Trumps whole platform was to give Americans and America First, a better life.

My enthusiasm may disappear if he goes back on it.


If he doesn't deport em all or try to it's a huge failure, there is no other way to spin it.

It'll further prove that there is nothing that can actually save the US and conflict is inevitable.

Agreed.

There would be a lot of disappointment and a huge backlash if anything close to amnesty was even suggested. Mass immigration is 100% the reason that the economy is not working for the average American.

Wages have stagnated for Americans as we have imported tens of millions of foreigners to take our jobs. The greatest and baby boom generations were getting paid the equivalent of $30-$40 an hour without any education whatsoever. They had families in their 20s. They had homes. They had cars. They had good secure jobs.

We're not going to get back to that by allowing millions of illegals who are the cause of those problems to stay here.

Amnesty? No thanks Jeff

RobParks2M
02-28-2017, 09:46 PM
Agreed.

There would be a lot of disappointment and a huge backlash if anything close to amnesty was even suggested. Mass immigration is 100% the reason that the economy is not working for the average American.

Wages have stagnated for Americans as we have imported tens of millions of foreigners to take our jobs. The greatest and baby boom generations were getting paid the equivalent of $30-$40 an hour without any education whatsoever. They had families in their 20s. They had homes. They had cars. They had good secure jobs.

We're not going to get back to that by allowing millions of illegals who are the cause of those problems to stay here.

Amnesty? No thanks Jeff

I think we have to suck it up for those already here. But we would have to stop it from continuing.

ceizer1985
02-28-2017, 09:47 PM
Lord orange potato is waffling it.

OPGenesis
02-28-2017, 09:49 PM
Agreed.

There would be a lot of disappointment and a huge backlash if anything close to amnesty was even suggested. Mass immigration is 100% the reason that the economy is not working for the average American.

Wages have stagnated for Americans as we have imported tens of millions of foreigners to take our jobs. The greatest and baby boom generations were getting paid the equivalent of $30-$40 an hour without any education whatsoever. They had families in their 20s. They had homes. They had cars. They had good secure jobs.

We're not going to get back to that by allowing millions of illegals who are the cause of those problems to stay here.

Amnesty? No thanks Jeff

Chits despairing.

All the cucks and retards at my job cry about their poverty salaries and student loan debt, but voted for Hillary.

In a sense I sometimes wouldn't mind if things didn't get better so they could just suffer with their own bad decisions.

Unless immigration is tightened there is a 0% chance of wages ever augmenting. The rich will continue to get richer and the poor with get poorer.

OPGenesis
02-28-2017, 09:50 PM
Lord orange potato is waffling it.

Post a link of a direct quote from Trump, phaggot.

OPGenesis
02-28-2017, 09:51 PM
I think we have to suck it up for those already here. But we would have to stop it from continuing.

Lol @ sucking it up.

What's wrong with you?

jamesbwbevis
02-28-2017, 09:54 PM
A lot of them who were all "you have to go back" now say "it's not a flip flop, great compromise" to continue the usual gymnastics

this


so so stupid

if he actually gives amnesty to all these people fuk him

Beast92
02-28-2017, 10:04 PM
Deport illegals with criminal records.

Keep tax paying, law abiding illegals not on welfare through amnesty.

Whats the problem? Its a great compromise.

So accept people who cheated the system and fuk over the millions of over-qualified people that decided to follow their immigration process legally and are still sitting at home in their 3rd world country?

jamesbwbevis
02-28-2017, 10:11 PM
So accept people who cheated the system and fuk over the millions of over-qualified people that decided to follow their immigration process legally and are still sitting at home in their 3rd world country?

I cant believe all these trumpers are all ofm a sudden ok with it. just lol

RobParks2M
02-28-2017, 10:12 PM
Lol @ sucking it up.

What's wrong with you?

Perhaps you do not realize just how difficult it would be to remove all people who showed up illegally. Are you going to volunteer to start rounding these people up? Someone would have to do it and it sure as schit would not be cheap.

Why not do the rational thing and allow some of those who have established themselves here to remain and ship off those who are criminals or who do not support themselves with a job? Eventually the job market will balance itself out.

@beast how long ago did you apply? Lmao

Tha big kahoona
02-28-2017, 10:28 PM
Seems like Trump advocating amnesty is gonna bring the right and left together. Well played Trumperino

OPGenesis
02-28-2017, 10:31 PM
Seems like Trump advocating amnesty is gonna bring the right and left together. Well played Trumperino

Do you have a link with a direct quote from Trump?

AlienUnseen
02-28-2017, 10:44 PM
I prefer illegal aliens having jobs over Americans (dead serious). It makes the profit margin for companies higher which, as a shareholder, helps my portfolio (also serious).

As a small business Owner I support this. Lets be real tea. If you have a job that an illegal alien can take away from you then it means your job is indispensable. America has moved away from Manufacturing to providing services. Services is the future.

5x10
02-28-2017, 10:57 PM
As a small business Owner I support this. Lets be real tea. If you have a job that an illegal alien can take away from you then it means your job is indispensable. America has moved away from Manufacturing to providing services. Services is the future.im a trump supporter but there is something to cost of living
Worried about this and the lack of allowing a pre ex with medical
But, I believe trump is committed to Americas best interests

1800_Cool_Guy
02-28-2017, 11:01 PM
I'm all for it.


- Build the wall that Mexico will pay for
- Immediately deport the ones with criminal records of any kind
- Deport the ones that are lazy fuks doing nothing but leeching off the taxpayers
- Allow for a path to citizenship to those that are working and paying taxes and have a clean record. Deport them if they commit a crime at any point during the process

GenghisBro
02-28-2017, 11:19 PM
I don't like the compromise. A rule is a rule, you don't go to country illegally uninvited. Wtf is a law abiding illegal? They have to go back.

arn710
03-01-2017, 04:02 AM
Zero compromise on this one. If you're here illegally, you're gone.

He won't be getting my vote if his stance on this changes

wesleysh21
03-01-2017, 05:12 AM
You must be new.

They didn't always think this way. They always believed he would deport all 11 million illegals. Donald also believed that.

Let's not pretend they always thought that way. I always said it. We don't need a wall, we don't need to do mass deportations. Immigration reform all the way. Get to the foundation of the problem and get the bad dudes out. ive been saying that all along

Once again, chivasregal is right.

I don't see the purpose of the fake outrage. Isn't compromise a good thing? Shouldn't we be applauding someone not sticking their feet in cement on every little thing?

I would say that I don't get it...but I get it 100%. Everything Trump does is bad. Bad, bad, bad. Even when its something you want, its bad, because Trump did it.

BullBoy8
03-01-2017, 06:47 AM
I'm all for it.


- Build the wall that Mexico will pay for
- Immediately deport the ones with criminal records of any kind
- Deport the ones that are lazy fuks doing nothing but leeching off the taxpayers
- Allow for a path to citizenship to those that are working and paying taxes and have a clean record. Deport them if they commit a crime at any point during the process

But I thought every illegal here is a criminal. A good majority (95%+) of the conservatives on here said they all have to go back.

The left is happy trump is doing this. It is just funny seeing the right flip flop blindly following every thing he does. He is doing the exact opposite his base wanted him to do (completely get rid of ACA,, literally every part including preexisting and insurance up to 26. Deport every illegal, etc)

Maestro
03-01-2017, 06:59 AM
Deport illegals with criminal records.

Keep tax paying, law abiding illegals not on welfare through amnesty.

Whats the problem? Its a great compromise.

The thing is, when everyone was unclear on his intentions, (as most of us are on the vast majority of things he proposes) you were also ok with sending them ALL back.

jamesbwbevis
03-01-2017, 07:07 AM
Zero compromise on this one. If you're here illegally, you're gone.

He won't be getting my vote if his stance on this changes


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jamesbwbevis
03-01-2017, 07:09 AM
But I thought every illegal here is a criminal. A good majority (95%+) of the conservatives on here said they all have to go back.

The left is happy trump is doing this. It is just funny seeing the right flip flop blindly following every thing he does. He is doing the exact opposite his base wanted him to do (completely get rid of ACA,, literally every part including preexisting and insurance up to 26. Deport every illegal, etc)

I think most conservatives are on board with some aspects of the ACA,but you do have to repeal the whole thing first. The age 26 insurance thing isnt controversial at all, its more the mandate, the restrictions on choice etc

LugosiNineOne
03-01-2017, 08:04 AM
Implying we thought Trump was going to solve all of our problems in regards to immigration.

He is a good first step or at the very least a stopgap.

The problem is you have a country where half of the people believe the idea of national borders is ridiculous and we should flood our nation with people who contribute exactly nothing to society and leech off other people's hard work. The U.S. died a long time ago and nobody is bringing it back to life. If Trump can make this nightmare at least a little better and open people's eyes then I am happy.

Blackpill: Don't have children, become successful, move somewhere remote, arm yourself and then you'll be OK as western civilization falls.

gixxer0.6g
03-01-2017, 08:08 AM
Typical business technique. Ask for more and compromise on what you wanted to start with.

jamesbwbevis
03-01-2017, 08:17 AM
Implying we thought Trump was going to solve all of our problems in regards to immigration.



Nobody is saying that. What we're saying is he spent 18 months telling his supporters that he was going to take a hardline on immigration, his supporters agreed with him for the most part, and now he's talking about a completely different stance, and his supporters are somehow ok wiit it too.

most of you cucks dont have actual positions on any of thise, you just agree with whichever way the trump winds blow. and thats stupid and dangerous.

I'm open to compromise on some issues, but not this.

jamesbwbevis
03-01-2017, 08:19 AM
Typical business technique. Ask for more and compromise on what you wanted to start with.

yea anytime trump completely changes his tune, it's master class negotiation.

Get the fuk real. He's backing down which most of his supporters claimed he wouldnt do.

Trapstar4.4
03-01-2017, 08:23 AM
props to the trump supporters who actually think for themselves. those who are sticking to their guns about illegals having to go back

im not sure that I agree fully, but at least you have your convictions and arent saying "you have to go back" for 9 months, and then all of a sudden changing your tune because trump changed his

Caxoo
03-01-2017, 09:09 AM
I'm all for it.


- Build the wall that Mexico will pay for
- Immediately deport the ones with criminal records of any kind
- Deport the ones that are lazy fuks doing nothing but leeching off the taxpayers
- Allow for a path to citizenship to those that are working and paying taxes and have a clean record. Deport them if they commit a crime at any point during the process

Yall realize this is what most liberals want too?

I swear the next liberal should just run as a republican so they can get yalls stubborn asses to agree with chit you disagree with just because it comes from a democrat's mouth

jamesbwbevis
03-01-2017, 09:11 AM
Yall realize this is what most liberals want too?

I swear the next liberal should just run as a republican so they can get yalls stubborn asses to agree with chit you disagree with just because it comes from a democrat's mouth

not true though. There were moderate republicans like Kasich that took a similar soft stance on immigration, and all the trump supporters hated him for it.

But now that their lord and savior is down, they're all of a sudden with the program.

If Trump grants amnesty to "non criminal" illegals, he's not getting my vote again

1800_Cool_Guy
03-01-2017, 09:19 AM
Yall realize this is what most liberals want too?

I swear the next liberal should just run as a republican so they can get yalls stubborn asses to agree with chit you disagree with just because it comes from a democrat's mouth

Libs don't want a wall
Libs want open borders
Libs want sanctuary cities to house them
Libs care more about illegal immigrants than the victims

Very different than what Trump wants to accomplish.

Gainzzz
03-01-2017, 09:24 AM
I'm all for it.


- Build the wall that Mexico will pay for
- Immediately deport the ones with criminal records of any kind
- Deport the ones that are lazy fuks doing nothing but leeching off the taxpayers
- Allow for a path to citizenship to those that are working and paying taxes and have a clean record. Deport them if they commit a crime at any point during the process

This is the only sensible way to look at it. It's not like this would be an overnight job.

Honestly, this shouldn't just apply to illegals either. Any immigrant who commits a violent crime should be deported. Any radicalized immigrant should be deported. Anyone who preaches hate of any kind or is found supporting terrorism of any kind should be deported. These are far more of a problem than someone who hopped the border 10 years ago and now pays taxes and has a family etc.

jamesbwbevis
03-01-2017, 09:35 AM
These are far more of a problem than someone who hopped the border 10 years ago and now pays taxes and has a family etc.

Doesnt mean those people should be allowed to stay.

As a LEGAL immigrant family that has waited for years just for a visa, it spits in our faces and it's not what he promised he would get done.

Sakeoe
03-01-2017, 09:37 AM
Disapointed.

Qong
03-01-2017, 12:15 PM
Chits despairing.

All the cucks and retards at my job cry about their poverty salaries and student loan debt, but voted for Hillary.

In a sense I sometimes wouldn't mind if things didn't get better so they could just suffer with their own bad decisions.

Unless immigration is tightened there is a 0% chance of wages ever augmenting. The rich will continue to get richer and the poor with get poorer.

It's nonsense really. People don't think. That's the reality. The labor market works similarly to every other market. If you flood a market the price is going to go down. That's exactly, exactly, 100%, no denying it, what happened to the labor market in America.

Over the past 50-60 years we have nearly doubled the population of our country, maybe we have if we consider all of the illegals who aren't being accounted for. We doubled the population of our country while many sectors have been phased out, manufacturing is the most obvious example but there are others.

Certainly other jobs have been created, other sectors have popped up, but it clearly isn't as many as we needed:

1. When large portions of the prime working population don't have jobs, something is wrong.
2. When large portions of the prime working population are being paid less than their parents and grandparents were, something is wrong.

That's the reality of what we have now. The baby boom generation was literally making the equivalent of $30-$40 an hour without any sort of educational requirements. That's what you get with a strong labor market. Today those jobs are few and far between. Today we have people crying for $15 minimum wages and more welfare.

jxd
03-01-2017, 12:46 PM
That would depends on the details of the reform, wouldn't it?

holtmcg
03-01-2017, 12:59 PM
It's nonsense really. People don't think. That's the reality. The labor market works similarly to every other market. If you flood a market the price is going to go down. That's exactly, exactly, 100%, no denying it, what happened to the labor market in America.

Over the past 50-60 years we have nearly doubled the population of our country, maybe we have if we consider all of the illegals who aren't being accounted for. We doubled the population of our country while many sectors have been phased out, manufacturing is the most obvious example but there are others.

Certainly other jobs have been created, other sectors have popped up, but it clearly isn't as many as we needed:

1. When large portions of the prime working population don't have jobs, something is wrong.
2. When large portions of the prime working population are being paid less than their parents and grandparents were, something is wrong.

That's the reality of what we have now. The baby boom generation was literally making the equivalent of $30-$40 an hour without any sort of educational requirements. That's what you get with a strong labor market. Today those jobs are few and far between. Today we have people crying for $15 minimum wages and more welfare.Once again, thank the Reagan administration for giving the corporations 100% control. This is what happens when minimum wage doesn't rise with inflation.

chalup
03-01-2017, 01:07 PM
not true though. There were moderate republicans like Kasich that took a similar soft stance on immigration, and all the trump supporters hated him for it.

But now that their lord and savior is down, they're all of a sudden with the program.

If Trump grants amnesty to "non criminal" illegals, he's not getting my vote again

You post some of the dumbest shiet ever man. Trump started with saying he was going to secure our borders with the wall, and then get all of the bad hombres out. It was the media and most of his supporters pushing the rhetoric every single illegal immigrant will be deported.

Qong
03-01-2017, 01:08 PM
Once again, thank the Reagan administration for giving the corporations 100% control. This is what happens when minimum wage doesn't rise with inflation.

I don't know if minimum wage requirements would remedy the problem rather than cause more problems. I'm sticking with my argument that the labor market works similarly to other markets so if the cost goes up then the demand is going to go down, meaning that there will be fewer jobs.

Right now we already have an issue with jobs, a lack of jobs, thanks to unfair trade agreements and policies, so I don't think that we would want to eliminate even more of them by raising the cost of labor. Obviously it would increase wages but it's also going to hurt workers who would now be out of work.

I don't think that we can get around the reality that mass immigration has played a major role in depressing American wages holt. The population of America has nearly doubled in the past 60 or so years. That isn't only because baby boomers produced a lot of kids. Without immigration our population would not have increased by nearly as much, not even close. There's a reason that Hispanics are going to be the majority of our country soon.

CalmWind
03-01-2017, 01:10 PM
I don't believe it.

It's either fake news, or some stratagem.

Trump will not waiver on Immigration.

chickenbroccoli
03-01-2017, 01:12 PM
They all need to go.