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SpartacusNYC
08-01-2016, 09:49 AM
https://twitter.com/nballaccess/status/760123956368183296


Allen Iverson last full year on the sixers:
38-44

Sixers first full year without Allen Iverson:
40-42


2006-2007:
Nuggets win % before AI:
67%

Nuggets win % after AI:
52%

AI in playoffs that year FG%:
50%
36%
35%
36%
27%

AVG 22.5 FGA


Denver record with AI:
45-37
50-32

Denver record with Billups:
54-28
53-29


Detroit Pistons year before AI:
59-23

Detroit Pistons year with AI:
39-43

DET started the season 3-0 before the AI trade as well


2008-2009:
Denver trades AI to Pistons after B2B first round exits

Acquire Chauncey Billups and the nuggets go to the WCF


Pistons made the EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS every single year from 2002-2008

They got AI in 2009 and MISSED THE PLAYOFFS


"Iverson carried nobody's to the 2001 finals"

Had DPOY, the 6MOY, and the COY, RPG leader, BPG leader, and a 2nd team all NBA as teammates


01 playoffs:
R1:
AI: 31.5 PPG 42%
Reggie Miller: 31.3 PPG 46%

R2:
AI: 33.7 PPG 40%
Carter: 30 PPG 47%

R3:
AI: 31 PPG 34%
Ray: 27 PPG 47%


2001 playoffs:
76ers +\-:
+4

Allen Iverson +\-:
+1


The 2001 sixers who had "nobody" had a winning record without Allen Iverson the season he won MVP


2001 playoffs Sixers vs Bucks game 5:

Allen Iverson:
15 PTS (5-27 18.5%)

Dikembe:
21 PTS 13 REB 55%
Eric Snow:
18 PTS 78%

Won that game


In AI famous 2001 playoff run he took THIRTY shots per game and only made 39% of them

And you guys boost that lmao


After the 01 season, the sixers were 205-205 in the next 5 seasons before AI got traded


AI 2001 playoff FG% log:
66%
57%
54%
52%
44%
44%
42%
40%
40%
39%
37%
37%
35%
33%
32%
32%
32%
31%
29%
25%
19%
19%


AI PO game eliminated in
99: 11-28 FG 39%
00: 7-20 FG 35%
01: 14-32 44%
02: 11-24 46%
03: 14-33 42%
05: 14-30 47%
07: 6-22 27%
08: 10-22 46%


AI times leading the league in total points:
1

AI times leading the league in total shot attempts:
4


Allen Iverson:
Career PO O rating:
105
Career PO D rating:
109

James harden
Career PO O rating:
117
Career PO D Rating:
106


James Harden highest TOPG:
4.6
4.0
3.6

Allen Iverson highest TOPG:
4.6
4.4
4.4
4.1
4.0


2005:
AI 344 turnovers in 75 games
4.6 TPG
4.6 X 7 = 32 turnovers
344+32=376 total turnovers

Harden this year:
374 turnovers


AI highest FGA per game in seasons:
27.8 FGA
25.5 FGA
25.3 FGA
24.8 FGA
24.2 FGA
23.7 FGA
23.4 FGA
22.0 FGA

Highest this season:
20.5 FGA


AI playoff career:

Seasons shooting over 40%:
4

Seasons shooting under 40%:
4


AI has SIX seasons where he shots under 30% from the 3 PT line


AI followed up his "MVP" season shooting 39.8 % from the field the next season with a 5.5-4 assist to turnover ratio

1st round exit


2004:
Missed playoffs in prime:

games AI played:
39.5 win %

games AI didn't play:
45.1 win %

Had a game where he shot 2-21 from the field


2001 season:

Allen "MVP" Iverson:
31.1 PPG
42%
4.6 APG
3.8 RPG
24.0 PER
11.8 WS

Shaq:
28.7 PPG
57%
3.7 APG
12.2 RPG
30.2 PER
14.9 WS


Allen Iverson missed the playoffs 5 times in 13 seasons

If you guys think this dude helped teams win games your crazy


Allen Iverson:
43rd all time in total assists
19th all time in total turnovers


Allen Iverson:
33rd all time in field goals made
20th all time in field goals attempted
12th all time in field goals missed


AI has the 2nd highest playoff PPG at 29.7 PPG, but he takes 26.5 FGA in the playoffs

That is just such a horrendous ratio


Playoffs Per 36 Min:
AI:
23.7 PPG
40%
4.8 APG
3.1 RPG
21.2 PER

Westbrook:
23.4 PPG
42%
7.3 APG
5.9 RPG
23.6 PER


People criticize harden and melo for taking a lot of shots and playing no defense

Allen Iverson was on a different level


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoyJRcoXgAEzbVi.jpg

heyquikquestion
08-01-2016, 09:55 AM
Had some dope fukking shoes though.

SpartacusNYC
08-01-2016, 09:58 AM
Had some dope fukking shoes though.

http://5.kicksonfire.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Reebok-Question-11.jpg?541b01

heyquikquestion
08-01-2016, 10:00 AM
The GOATs

http://www.sneakerglossary.com/pictures/Allen-Iverson-Reebok-Answer-1-Black-Gold-shoes.jpg

iTunesBrah
08-01-2016, 10:02 AM
Got a lot of respect for iverson after watching his documentary on netflix.

AriGhold
08-01-2016, 10:02 AM
Wow. That's some dedication. Probably took him days to cherry pick a bunch of random stats to make an argument about something no one cares about. AI will never be considered one of the GOATs but he had a big impact on this league. A lot of current players consider him very influential and their favorite player to watch. He led some pretty bad 76ers teams to the payoffs and an NBA finals appearance. Even iverson's overseas career is more successful than this losers career will ever be.

Did he wake up one day and say "I want to spend hours of my time to discredit the career of someone who has been out of the league for years because thats exactly what the Internet wants right now"

SpeedMan1
08-01-2016, 10:04 AM
AI took the bum ass 76'ers to a finals appearance. Have they even made the playoffs in the last decade?

SpartacusNYC
08-01-2016, 10:05 AM
AI took the bum ass 76'ers to a finals appearance. Have they even made the playoffs in the last decade?

Did you read anything?

SpartacusNYC
08-01-2016, 10:08 AM
Wow. That's some dedication. Probably took him days to cherry pick a bunch of random stats to make an argument about something no one cares about. AI will never be considered one of the GOATs but he had a big impact on this league. A lot of current players consider him very influential and their favorite player to watch. He led some pretty bad 76ers teams to the payoffs and an NBA finals appearance. Even iverson's overseas career is more successful than this losers career will ever be.

Did he wake up one day and say "I want to spend hours of my time to discredit the career of someone who has been out of the league for years because thats exactly what the Internet wants right now"

AI was my favorite player for many years as a kid, but that doesn't mean I would want him on my team.

Future24
08-01-2016, 10:44 AM
Did you read anything?Yeah it said he had a great team when the only other legit player was Deke. Aaron Mckie won 6th man, hes a nobody.

ClutchAnalyst
08-01-2016, 10:48 AM
stat nerds are literally the most annoying people in sports

BullStampede
08-01-2016, 11:52 AM
Westbrook > Iverson

SoutheastBeast1
08-01-2016, 11:56 AM
Anyone actually read that?

YIAMSOMEBODY
08-01-2016, 12:03 PM
The GOATs

http://www.sneakerglossary.com/pictures/Allen-Iverson-Reebok-Answer-1-Black-Gold-shoes.jpg

Real sh**, I got these for Xmas. Thought the heavens opened up and smiled on the kid as I opened these and screamed for joy.

Clawd have mercy, these were GOAT!

HnhzmJIR-bM

SpartacusNYC
08-01-2016, 12:08 PM
Real sh**, I got these for Xmas. Thought the heavens opened up and smiled on the kid as I opened these and screamed for joy.

Clawd have mercy, these were GOAT!

[YOUTUBE]HnhzmJIR-bM[YOUTUBE]

Everyone was doing the behind-the-back spin move after this one

lGrkT9tqj7A

heyquikquestion
08-01-2016, 12:09 PM
Everyone was doing the behind-the-back spin move after this one

lGrkT9tqj7A

Lol I would try this every time I got the ball. Would turn it over 90% of the time, but that other 10% looked like a damn And 1 mixtape. The good old days.

Sikhveins
08-01-2016, 01:29 PM
What if the system in Virgina didn't try to throw him in jail at 17 years old???

Maybe he would have had a different attitude towards the game of Basketball, the owners, the CEO's, and the rules?

He wouldn't have become who he was, without being selfish. The system failed him.

BullStampede
08-01-2016, 01:34 PM
What if the system in Virgina didn't try to throw him in jail at 17 years old???

Maybe he would have had a different attitude towards the game of Basketball, the owners, the CEO's, and the rules?

He wouldn't have become who he was, without being selfish. The system failed him.

lol

BeastModeFTW
08-01-2016, 01:44 PM
nothing surprising allen iverson was a renowned team cancer that got unnecessary credit because he had an elite defensive supporting cast in a chit conference which allowed him to chuck 30+ times a game on a pathetically inefficent 48% ts and still make the finals. that 08 nuggets team that got swept round 1 by the lakers actually was more talented than the lakers. you had melo, iverson, jr swish, dpoy marcus camby, nene, lines kleiza while the lakers had fisher, kobe, luke walton, odom, pau gasol, and jordan farmar. then the following year the nuggets with billups replacing iverson went to the western conference finals and took a now more talented lakers team (with bynum and ariza) to 6 games.

tekkenbruh
08-01-2016, 03:24 PM
nothing surprising allen iverson was a renowned team cancer that got unnecessary credit because he had an elite defensive supporting cast in a chit conference which allowed him to chuck 30+ times a game on a pathetically inefficent 48% ts and still make the finals. that 08 nuggets team that got swept round 1 by the lakers actually was more talented than the lakers. you had melo, iverson, jr swish, dpoy marcus camby, nene, lines kleiza while the lakers had fisher, kobe, luke walton, odom, pau gasol, and jordan farmar. then the following year the nuggets with billups replacing iverson went to the western conference finals and took a now more talented lakers team (with bynum and ariza) to 6 games.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1130127_o.gif

svtballa
08-01-2016, 07:13 PM
AI shot a ton...and water is wet cool story. I don't think most of you understand how bad the level of talent was he was surrounded by on his Philly teams. Yet he still managed to drag them to the finals, That's an impressive feat no mater how you slice it.

broboma2012
08-01-2016, 07:19 PM
there are way too many factors in year to year roster change for that analysis to be anything other than poverty.

brb posting statistical arguments on twitter


i think we know that is retarded

YOTTO
08-01-2016, 07:26 PM
Clearly Tyronn Lue feeling himself after winning the Chip and getting an extension.

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/AI-1.jpg

Would you guys ever be able to live with this pic plastered all over the internet? SMH

broboma2012
08-01-2016, 07:32 PM
Clearly Tyronn Lue feeling himself after winning the Chip and getting an extension.

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/AI-1.jpg

Would you guys ever be able to live with this pic plastered all over the internet? SMH

clearly you couldn't as you can't even post a picture of yourself on your bb.com profile that no one will ever look at

waisoserious
08-01-2016, 09:51 PM
i love chancey billups. the pistons being better than billups than iverson should not be a slight against iverson

wifestealer
08-01-2016, 09:54 PM
Wow. That's some dedication. Probably took him days to cherry pick a bunch of random stats to make an argument about something no one cares about. AI will never be considered one of the GOATs but he had a big impact on this league. A lot of current players consider him very influential and their favorite player to watch. He led some pretty bad 76ers teams to the payoffs and an NBA finals appearance. Even iverson's overseas career is more successful than this losers career will ever be.

Did he wake up one day and say "I want to spend hours of my time to discredit the career of someone who has been out of the league for years because thats exactly what the Internet wants right now"

STRONG this.

lol @ reading all that.

ClevageGobbler
08-02-2016, 01:56 AM
Lol juast came in to say whoever made that twitter page is a phaggot

A.I. was maybe 5'11 on a good day playing in a 6'9 average league and managed to dominate like Jordan did like Kobe did in similar fashion...

Loyal to his team and fans like Kevin Garnett just never had a good team most the time he was in the league because 76ers are a perpetual trash team no matter what and nothing's going to change that anytime soon

SpartacusNYC
08-02-2016, 02:50 AM
Lol juast came in to say whoever made that twitter page is a phaggot

A.I. was maybe 5'11 on a good day playing in a 6'9 average league and managed to dominate like Jordan did like Kobe did in similar fashion...

Loyal to his team and fans like Kevin Garnett just never had a good team most the time he was in the league because 76ers are a perpetual trash team no matter what and nothing's going to change that anytime soon

http://static.businessinsider.com/image/548076d06da8111e5b7a8c96/image.gif

socrates07
08-02-2016, 07:17 AM
I gotta agree with the post

Chucker

perennial loser

team cancer

was on the olympic team that cost us our first ever losses

would not want on my team

GodbeBryant
08-02-2016, 09:42 AM
clearly you couldn't as you can't even post a picture of yourself on your bb.com profile that no one will ever look at

http://www.drodd.com/images13/deal-with-it-gif1.gif

Thai_Clinch
08-02-2016, 09:58 AM
very entertaining to watch as a kid. made his mark on the league.

Ken-O
08-02-2016, 10:54 AM
Charles Barkley picked him as the #1 overall pick on the all time draft ESPN did. Im guessing he knows about basketball a bit more than OP and that stat cherry picking twitter phaggot know.

yieldtonothing
08-02-2016, 11:07 AM
pound for pound GOAT

put some respek on his name

Spill512
08-02-2016, 12:54 PM
pound for pound GOAT

NBA hipster favorite quote

ThickMeat
08-02-2016, 02:34 PM
Charles Barkley picked him as the #1 overall pick on the all time draft ESPN did. Im guessing he knows about basketball a bit more than OP and that stat cherry picking twitter phaggot know.

and then he tried to change it right after he realized how dumb it was

XixBwzJ4KTk

Zainius
08-02-2016, 03:43 PM
lol at these Twitter stat nerds.

SpartacusNYC
08-02-2016, 04:17 PM
lol at these Twitter stat nerds.

Guy only posted it because people were mad that he called Iverson overrated, so he had to bring it heavy.

open_society
08-02-2016, 04:35 PM
arguing on the internet..etc etc

Swept
08-02-2016, 04:42 PM
People actually think Iverson was some great player? LMAO

He was a shorter Kobe

sdballer5588
08-02-2016, 05:42 PM
Guy only posted it because people were mad that he called Iverson overrated, so he had to bring it heavy.

Iverson is properly rated.

I really stopped reading the OP halfway down because mopst of it is either exaggerated, made up, or intellectually dishonest.

Example:

"Iverson carried nobody's to the 2001 finals"

Had DPOY, the 6MOY, and the COY, RPG leader, BPG leader, and a 2nd team all NBA as teammates

You win COY when your team does well, so this accolade really belongs to Iverson, and every other award listed save 6th man, was one person and BPG is a guy who isn't even on the team in the playoffs. It was intentionally made to seem like it was 15 guys dominating, but nope, it was just a 34 year old Dikembe Mutombo who was acquired mid season if I remember correcly and played like 25 games.

Also - Mutombo did not lead the league in Rebounds, Ben wallace did, limiting it to "per game" with a 5 ish game difference? Is just intellectually dishonest, again.


Also Blocks per game is led by Theo Ratliff. Who was either traded or did not play in the Finals, I'm not sure which. I'd like to hear how he helped them in the Finals.



So right there we have

1. Misinformation
2. Dishonest and biased narration
3. Exaggerated out of context claims

broboma2012
08-02-2016, 05:44 PM
Iverson is properly rated.

what is iverson's rating? he is a polarizing athlete.

sdballer5588
08-02-2016, 05:53 PM
what is iverson's rating? he is a polarizing athlete.

25th-ish all time.

He is not really deserving of being higher because of the stigma no rings carries and only has 1 MVP, though it was a very impressive run. His inefficiency can be chalked up much more easily to his pathetic supporting casts than anyone else's can.

The only year of his career he had respectable teammates, he posted a very respectable TS% of 56.7 while still averaging over 26 ppg.

He's one of the only cases I can think of where a player has no peer in terms of similar people ever doing what he did. He was athletically amazing while being physically inferior to everyone to ever play his position.

Iverson is a product of his era. Isolation wing play and ball dominant guards scoring on high volume. People make it out like he was on the low end of efficiency but for his era he's basically average, while scoring way more than his peers.

Example: Tmac is constantly touted like the LeBron before LeBron except his career TS% is a comparably abysmal 51%, Vince Carter? 53% Jerry Stackhouse? 52%

Iverson's career TS% 51.8

sdballer5588
08-02-2016, 06:07 PM
Also - the 25 was always my old estimate but that was from a while ago. Factoring in all the new players who have moved up, Iverson is probably in the 30s. Which is a proper rating for him.


The idea of the OP is apparently that people must rank him like top 10 or something, I have literally NEVER seen a credible human being with any knowledge of basketball history claim Iverson is even in the top 20 of all time. The entire post was embarrassing to the OP as well as the person who originally posted it.

What's next, you going to hit me with the game film of how Bob Cousey can't dribble? It's pointless, out of context, and frankly irrelevant.

It's mind blowing this is even a topic you thought needed to be discussed, though clearly I am always happy to discuss Iverson. In terms of pure entertainment, he is definitely in my top 10.

skarms
08-02-2016, 06:14 PM
sdballer dropping very reasonable posts about iverson

This is why he's the GOAT sports miscer along with Daewoo.

nvrstopworking
08-02-2016, 06:16 PM
nothing surprising allen iverson was a renowned team cancer that got unnecessary credit because he had an elite defensive supporting cast in a chit conference which allowed him to chuck 30+ times a game on a pathetically inefficent 48% ts and still make the finals. that 08 nuggets team that got swept round 1 by the lakers actually was more talented than the lakers. you had melo, iverson, jr swish, dpoy marcus camby, nene, lines kleiza while the lakers had fisher, kobe, luke walton, odom, pau gasol, and jordan farmar. then the following year the nuggets with billups replacing iverson went to the western conference finals and took a now more talented lakers team (with bynum and ariza) to 6 games.

Lol... we gon pretend that you even watched A.I. when he was in his prime? You were still sucking on your mom's tit when he was drafted.

Dude was a combination of Wade and Westbrook... except he was 160lbs instead of 200+.

Possibly the toughest player that I've seen in the league.

jbball92
08-02-2016, 06:25 PM
http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/iverson.jpg

JaredtheMan
08-02-2016, 06:33 PM
CP3 > Iverson .

Spill512
08-02-2016, 06:55 PM
sdballer dropping very reasonable posts about iverson

This is why he's the GOAT sports miscer along with Daewoo.

http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/3w2MWDX.png

Grown men make these type of posts? Have some respect for yourself.

sooby
08-03-2016, 01:57 AM
Great player, probably top 40

the_faceman
08-03-2016, 04:00 AM
Very entertaining player, but to me he is not a top 50 player so he is overrated in my opinion.
I aso think that he should not have won the MVP award that season.

Dysfunqtional
08-03-2016, 05:09 AM
http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/iverson.jpg

stuff like this is why he is the GOAT, not his play on the court.

heyquikquestion
08-03-2016, 08:41 AM
http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/iverson.jpg

AI just went up a few spots on my GOAT list for this.

HoustonMiscer
08-03-2016, 08:44 AM
I bet that little phaggot was born in 1996, the disgusting little phaggot he is. Lock me up in a cage with him

Psyren
08-03-2016, 07:04 PM
Did you read anything?
lol at you falling for this ****. dude tried his hardest I'll give him that

" a rpg leader, bpg leader, dpoy and 2nd all nba team player" all = Mutumbo lol, would love to read on of this retards redundant ass school papers

sdballer5588
08-03-2016, 07:31 PM
OP was responding almost instantly to every idiot previously, I come in here and dissect one of the numerous retarded quotes from the OP and this guy vanishes. I see this dude still clearly posting all over the misc, just avoiding this thread now like the plague.


Wow, neat.

socrates07
08-04-2016, 06:58 AM
OP was responding almost instantly to every idiot previously, I come in here and dissect one of the numerous retarded quotes from the OP and this guy vanishes. I see this dude still clearly posting all over the misc, just avoiding this thread now like the plague.


Wow, neat.

pat yourself on the back with both hands while you're at it

HoustonMiscer
08-04-2016, 09:00 AM
OP was responding almost instantly to every idiot previously, I come in here and dissect one of the numerous retarded quotes from the OP and this guy vanishes. I see this dude still clearly posting all over the misc, just avoiding this thread now like the plague.


Wow, neat.

Respond to this OP. Do it within 24 hrs or I will neg you and you don't want to be negged by me

SpartacusNYC
08-04-2016, 09:48 AM
OP was responding almost instantly to every idiot previously, I come in here and dissect one of the numerous retarded quotes from the OP and this guy vanishes. I see this dude still clearly posting all over the misc, just avoiding this thread now like the plague.


Wow, neat.

Completely forgot about the thread. I really only posted the thread to get some discussion because I thought some of the stats were interesting. You made a lot of good points and I'd favor your argument over the statistics, but I think a lot of Iverson's flaws get nostalgically overlooked in favor of hyperbole like heart. He's the number two greatest little man to ever play the game, behind Isiah, but I still stand by the statement that even though every person here loved to watch him play, not one would want him on their team.

EDIT: Third greatest little man actually if we are including Stockton.


Respond to this OP. Do it within 24 hrs or I will neg you and you don't want to be negged by me

Shut up, manlet.

sdballer5588
08-04-2016, 02:30 PM
Completely forgot about the thread. I really only posted the thread to get some discussion because I thought some of the stats were interesting. You made a lot of good points and I'd favor your argument over the statistics, but I think a lot of Iverson's flaws get nostalgically overlooked in favor of hyperbole like heart. He's the number two greatest little man to ever play the game, behind Isiah, but I still stand by the statement that even though every person here loved to watch him play, not one would want him on their team.

EDIT: Third greatest little man actually if we are including Stockton.



Shut up, manlet.

I am okay with putting Stockton and Isiah (a criminally underrated player in his own right) over Iverson. The real great argument is CP3. Iverson has the award separating the two, but CP3 is an advanced stat wet dream in comparison to Iverson, he's the polar opposite of Iverson and in my opinion is a better version of Isiah.

Most people discredit CP3 a lot. They point to his playoff gaffes (ignoring his stats of course)


pat yourself on the back with both hands while you're at it

Why shouldn't I?

LargePeter
08-04-2016, 02:50 PM
http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/iverson.jpg

lulz

broboma2012
08-04-2016, 03:35 PM
I am okay with putting Stockton and Isiah (a criminally underrated player in his own right) over Iverson. The real great argument is CP3. Iverson has the award separating the two, but CP3 is an advanced stat wet dream in comparison to Iverson, he's the polar opposite of Iverson and in my opinion is a better version of Isiah.

Most people discredit CP3 a lot. They point to his playoff gaffes (ignoring his stats of course)



Why shouldn't I?

paul is pretty clearly better than iverson.

sdballer5588
08-04-2016, 04:49 PM
paul is pretty clearly better than iverson.

I agree. I thought that seemed clear when I said Isiah is above Iverson and then said CP3 is basically new Isiah.

Spill512
08-04-2016, 05:19 PM
I agree. I thought that seemed clear when I said Isiah is above Iverson and then said CP3 is basically new Isiah.

He was just parroting what you said. It seems to be his new thing.

JaredtheMan
08-04-2016, 05:31 PM
paul is pretty clearly better than iverson.

Very true, hes in the discussion for best PG of our generation (Curry needs a couple more seasons) with consistent production for about a decade.
08, 09, 15 Paul were all beyond amazing. Lack of team success in the post season is concerning, but when ranking within PGs, its understandable that guards are more team dependent than wings/big men. Really a bummer that hes had to endure such terrible personnel decisions from Doc.

To think he couldve come to the Lakers... :(

broboma2012
08-04-2016, 05:48 PM
Very true, hes in the discussion for best PG of our generation (Curry needs a couple more seasons) with consistent production for about a decade.
08, 09, 15 Paul were all beyond amazing. Lack of team success in the post season is concerning, but when ranking within PGs, its understandable that guards are more team dependent than wings/big men. Really a bummer that hes had to endure such terrible personnel decisions from Doc.

To think he couldve come to the Lakers... :(

in terms of ability i think prime paul is every bit of curry. curry just literally lucked into the exact perfect system. his skill sets are optimized more than any player in the nba currently

broboma2012
08-04-2016, 05:52 PM
He was just parroting what you said. It seems to be his new thing.

as opposed to you trying to work every possible angle since enduring the year of the spiLLs? Your sports misc dink is 2 inches, no matter the geometry you are not going to hit the spot.

RAGEagainstHFCS
08-04-2016, 06:57 PM
Isiah Thomas - better scorer than Paul.
Chris Paul - better passer than Isiah.

Both Natural PG's playing their Natural positions.

Tie goes to the 2 time champ (and FMVP).

Allen Iverson - better scorer than Curry.
Steph Curry - better passer than Iverson.

Both natural shooting guards playing PG (not their natural position)

Steph Curry already has the chip but AI played at an optimal level for a much longer time.

If we want to compare apples to oranges I guess we can rate them on an all-time list like this:

1 -Isiah Thomas (GOAT little man GOAT PG not named Magic or Oscar Robertson)
2 -Allen Iverson (Yea I have AI above CP3 hate to break up the circle jerk)
3 -Chris Paul (Wrong side of 30/won't win chip unless he pulls a LBJ or Durant)
4 -Steph Curry (short sample size playing at optimal level/has time to climb list)

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:04 PM
Wow. That's some dedication. Probably took him days to cherry pick a bunch of random stats to make an argument about something no one cares about. AI will never be considered one of the GOATs but he had a big impact on this league. A lot of current players consider him very influential and their favorite player to watch. He led some pretty bad 76ers teams to the payoffs and an NBA finals appearance. Even iverson's overseas career is more successful than this losers career will ever be.

Did he wake up one day and say "I want to spend hours of my time to discredit the career of someone who has been out of the league for years because thats exactly what the Internet wants right now"

In his prime he was up there with Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe as the best players. Most of the nerds ignore the fact that he was the only superstar that increased his teams win% when he shot over 30 shots a game. MJ, Kobe, LeBron's teams always performed worse. The 08 Nuggets was an average team too. Nene had cancer and Chucky Atkins was the starting PG.

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:06 PM
Westbrook > Iverson

Iverson was a much better scorer, shooter, driver, and averaged more steals. Westbrook is a slightly better passer and better defender. The real question should be Iverson vs Kobe

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:12 PM
nothing surprising allen iverson was a renowned team cancer that got unnecessary credit because he had an elite defensive supporting cast in a chit conference which allowed him to chuck 30+ times a game on a pathetically inefficent 48% ts and still make the finals. that 08 nuggets team that got swept round 1 by the lakers actually was more talented than the lakers. you had melo, iverson, jr swish, dpoy marcus camby, nene, lines kleiza while the lakers had fisher, kobe, luke walton, odom, pau gasol, and jordan farmar. then the following year the nuggets with billups replacing iverson went to the western conference finals and took a now more talented lakers team (with bynum and ariza) to 6 games.

Nene had cancer in 08, Iverson's best player was Melo who wasn't even a top 5 player. And AI average 45% FG that season, he was the teams best scorer and playmaker, as a 32 year old. Kobe had Pau, Odom, Bynum, and either Barnes or Ariza.. That team was a top 10 ranked offensive and defensive team. Iverson also averages the most FTs made per game in the modern era. You don't know what you're talking about.

That 01 76ers team was a GREAT rebounding and defensive team, but were offensively deficient. The Sixers starting lineup (excluding AI) only made 20 3s the entire reg. season. Yet he still took shaq's lakers to 5, the same team that prime duncan lost to in 4.

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:14 PM
i love chancey billups. the pistons being better than billups than iverson should not be a slight against iverson

the pistons were already rebuilding though, and they had a rookie coach. Iverson and Hamilton getting benched proved the Pistons FO didn't know what they were doing

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:16 PM
Iverson always outplayed Jordan and Kobe. That's a fact

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:18 PM
I gotta agree with the post

Chucker

perennial loser

team cancer

was on the olympic team that cost us our first ever losses

would not want on my team

Duncan was also on that team. Not AI fault that they had no spot up shooters and only a couple elite defenders

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:21 PM
25th-ish all time.

He is not really deserving of being higher because of the stigma no rings carries and only has 1 MVP, though it was a very impressive run. His inefficiency can be chalked up much more easily to his pathetic supporting casts than anyone else's can.

The only year of his career he had respectable teammates, he posted a very respectable TS% of 56.7 while still averaging over 26 ppg.

He's one of the only cases I can think of where a player has no peer in terms of similar people ever doing what he did. He was athletically amazing while being physically inferior to everyone to ever play his position.

Iverson is a product of his era. Isolation wing play and ball dominant guards scoring on high volume. People make it out like he was on the low end of efficiency but for his era he's basically average, while scoring way more than his peers.

Example: Tmac is constantly touted like the LeBron before LeBron except his career TS% is a comparably abysmal 51%, Vince Carter? 53% Jerry Stackhouse? 52%

Iverson's career TS% 51.8

Iverson would dominate in any era. All time great scorer, _#1 dribbler, athletic, and driver

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:24 PM
CP3 > Iverson .

CP3 was always getting outperformed by prime Rose. WHile AI was outplaying MJ, Kobe, T-Mac, etc

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:26 PM
Very entertaining player, but to me he is not a top 50 player so he is overrated in my opinion.
I aso think that he should not have won the MVP award that season.

he's easily top 30.

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:30 PM
[QUOTE=SpartacusNYC;1456080173]Completely forgot about the thread. I really only posted the thread to get some discussion because I thought some of the stats were interesting. You made a lot of good points and I'd favor your argument over the statistics, but I think a lot of Iverson's flaws get nostalgically overlooked in favor of hyperbole like heart. He's the number two greatest little man to ever play the game, behind Isiah, but I still stand by the statement that even though every person here loved to watch him play, not one would want him on their team.

EDIT: Third greatest little man actually if we are including Stockton.

Pierce said that he would've easily won 3 championships with AI if Brown drafted him. Shaq who is best player past 20 years, said AI is top 5 all time (better than LeBron, Kobe, and Duncan). He never got to play with a top 10 player unlike all the other superstars

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 07:33 PM
Also - the 25 was always my old estimate but that was from a while ago. Factoring in all the new players who have moved up, Iverson is probably in the 30s. Which is a proper rating for him.


The idea of the OP is apparently that people must rank him like top 10 or something, I have literally NEVER seen a credible human being with any knowledge of basketball history claim Iverson is even in the top 20 of all time. The entire post was embarrassing to the OP as well as the person who originally posted it.

What's next, you going to hit me with the game film of how Bob Cousey can't dribble? It's pointless, out of context, and frankly irrelevant.

It's mind blowing this is even a topic you thought needed to be discussed, though clearly I am always happy to discuss Iverson. In terms of pure entertainment, he is definitely in my top 10.

No way there's 30 players better all time. Even though he's got 0 rings, he still won MVP, 4 time scoring champ, 3 time steals champ, and had one of the GOAT playoff runs past 40 years in 01. Unless you ranked players like KD and CP3 higher, which is ridiculous

JaredtheMan
08-09-2016, 08:17 PM
CP3 was always getting outperformed by prime Rose. WHile AI was outplaying MJ, Kobe, T-Mac, etc

Rose led a 111 ORtg Bulls team when he was in the lineup which went down to 107 where they played flat out mediocre Hawks/Pacers team then got dismantled by LeBron and co.

His best season doesnt even sniff most CP3 seasons let alone 08, 15 CP3's playoff performances/RS excellence. For all of CP3's lack of team success in the post season, its important to remember that when CP3 is healthy and playing, his teams crushing opponents.

2008: +5.9 on, -5.8 off
2014: +7.1 on, -15.7 off
2015: +4 on, -3.3 off

Except for a few dim years (09, 12, 13) CP3s been awesome in the playoffs and only limited by Doc's terrible roster construction and his injury proneness. For all the "help" that LeBron fans think he needs, its CP3 that needs more as a point guard in a wing/big dominated era

DidUSaySomethin
08-09-2016, 09:10 PM
Rose led a 111 ORtg Bulls team when he was in the lineup which went down to 107 where they played flat out mediocre Hawks/Pacers team then got dismantled by LeBron and co.

His best season doesnt even sniff most CP3 seasons let alone 08, 15 CP3's playoff performances/RS excellence. For all of CP3's lack of team success in the post season, its important to remember that when CP3 is healthy and playing, his teams crushing opponents.

2008: +5.9 on, -5.8 off
2014: +7.1 on, -15.7 off
2015: +4 on, -3.3 off

Except for a few dim years (09, 12, 13) CP3s been awesome in the playoffs and only limited by Doc's terrible roster construction and his injury proneness. For all the "help" that LeBron fans think he needs, its CP3 that needs more as a point guard in a wing/big dominated era

I'm not saying Rose is better than CP3. CP3 is easily top 10 PG all time, but he isn't better than Iverson.

JustBulk
08-11-2016, 06:48 AM
Of course SDBoxScoreBallerina would think CP3 is better than Iverson...

Seriously, give Iverson the same kind of teammates CP3 had/have, Iverson would had won at least 2 titles.

mooredesigns
08-11-2016, 06:52 AM
Allen Iverson was one of the best dribblers. When he preformed on the court, other athletes had a tough time blocking his shots.