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DHamiz3Z
03-20-2016, 01:01 PM
posted this already on misc but seems this is a more appropriate section.

was hanging inside this office building at a mall that was open where anyone could just open the door and walk in. There were no signs or any chit on the place that said "Stay out" and I literally was just in there eating when security guard came and told me I was trespassing. got banned and went back about a few weeks later and was ticketed with trespassing while walking through mall . they made me sign tresspassing forms and let me leave but now I have to go to court friday for this bullchit.

how do I plead not guilty there were no signs and no cameras basically no evidence other than signed forms they dont even have my picture proving I was there can I just deny their claim?




1. Why would you hang out in a building?
2. Why would you give your real name?
3. Why would you sign anything?
4. LAWYER UP and say you signed document under duress and were threatened with violence to sign it.
5. The security guard needs to be in court, if he does not turn up you get off. So.... maybe he might have an accident?
2. gave cop expired ID with outdated information and old address on it that is about 4 blocks away from current and that was used for the court order,
still gave them my social though
3. Actually asked to leave immediately but was instead escorted to their building and signed the chit.
4. how much do lawyers cost?
5. I Dont even think the cops/security give a f*** and they were just trying to feel important lol would they actually show for a 8AM hearing?


here is a list of chit I could use in my defense


if they no show I have the right to confront accusers

escorted into their buildings under duress

was forced to sign forms under duress and threatened with physical violence

lack of evidence

deny all claims

court order given used incorrect information (address - could I claim mediocrity of duties/invavlidity of information)

in their defense all they have is word of mouth and my signature which I could claim was given under duress and threats
if I represent myself or use a lawyer there is still no evidence , damage, or signs of breaking and entering


how do I get off scott free ?

Noliberals4
03-20-2016, 01:05 PM
lol why would you go back to a place where you were banned?

BrahPlease
03-20-2016, 01:06 PM
why would you give some business your name and id/social and walk with them to their little security office? lmao da fuq. if somebody says your trespassing, you leave. you dont stay.

Jay131990
03-20-2016, 01:14 PM
posted this already on misc but seems this is a more appropriate section.

was hanging inside this office building at a mall that was open where anyone could just open the door and walk in. There were no signs or any chit on the place that said "Stay out" and I literally was just in there eating when security guard came and told me I was trespassing. got banned and went back about a few weeks later and was ticketed with trespassing while walking through mall . they made me sign tresspassing forms and let me leave but now I have to go to court friday for this bullchit.

how do I plead not guilty there were no signs and no cameras basically no evidence other than signed forms they dont even have my picture proving I was there can I just deny their claim?







how do I get off scott free ?

"Scott-Free"

Well, you signed something, that was your first mistake. You should've refused. Unfortunately because of that, there's probably no way you're going to get off completely free, but it wouldn't hurt to consult a lawyer

DHamiz3Z
03-20-2016, 01:24 PM
"Scott-Free"

Well, you signed something, that was your first mistake. You should've refused. Unfortunately because of that, there's probably no way you're going to get off completely free, but it wouldn't hurt to consult a lawyer

could I claim its not my signature or that I was forced to sign papers in violation of my freedoms?

StarFox
03-20-2016, 01:28 PM
I know it's too late to change it, but if you were gonna give in and sign their documents should have given a fake name and SS#, perhaps they wouldn't be able to summon Rusty Shackleford SS# 123-45-6789 into court lulz

bignpisst
03-20-2016, 01:31 PM
Sounds like yer guilty, just do the time O.J.

Jay131990
03-20-2016, 01:37 PM
could I claim its not my signature or that I was forced to sign papers in violation of my freedoms?

If you claim that you didn't sign it then you'll have to:
1) accuse them of forgery and/or identify theft
2) prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you did not sign it

Both of those are things that you cannot do.

You can't say you were forced to sign anything against your "freedoms". Your mistake was going to this place after you had already been told to leave. Your best option would be to go to court, say you apologize and that you were unaware of the "threat" you posed to being in that space, and hope the judge thinks it's as stupid as you think it is.

jackamo2887
03-20-2016, 03:01 PM
A signed document CAN be invalidated if you claim you signed it under duress. You can claim they threatened you with prison time, arrests, fines, etc unless you signed it, and claim they said you wouldn't be able to leave without signing the paper.

Or

you can claim you were intoxicated at the time you signed it, which can also invalidate it.

djfuzzy
03-20-2016, 03:18 PM
Red on misc = red in real life.

Another prime example.

Tamorlane
03-20-2016, 03:24 PM
judges hear bs stories from people every day. If you go in there and admit what you did and be sincere about it (own up to it), the time might then be right to ask the judge for leniency (but sometimes it's better to not even ask). And if they don't, at least you owned up to it which makes it more likely you won't get yourself into a needless situation again in the future.

latverian41
03-20-2016, 03:25 PM
If you were told to leave and did not you got what you deserved.

tnel00
03-20-2016, 03:29 PM
posted this already on misc but seems this is a more appropriate section.

Why on earth would you think this? Was your hanging out in the building a form of political protest? Were you in there praying?

tk217
03-20-2016, 05:54 PM
You sounds like a moron OP - good luck in jail.

DHamiz3Z
03-20-2016, 07:05 PM
A signed document CAN be invalidated if you claim you signed it under duress. You can claim they threatened you with prison time, arrests, fines, etc unless you signed it, and claim they said you wouldn't be able to leave without signing the paper.

Or

you can claim you were intoxicated at the time you signed it, which can also invalidate it.

would rep irl , did not know this. Was not cheked or breathalyzed basically they didnt give enough of a f*** to make sure of anything just a bunch of stupid mall security ***gots I was actually considering just walking off on them had it not been for the cop there. also was st patricks day weekend so the intoxication claim totally fills out. those fuking morons

Nebor
03-20-2016, 07:20 PM
You sound like an idiot OP. Enjoy your long life of not understanding why you deserve the bad things that happen to you.

Dave22reborn
03-20-2016, 07:21 PM
You were banned from private property and decided to return. What are you asking for here?

Dave22reborn
03-20-2016, 07:22 PM
How about you be truly defiant and not show up to court, then tell us all what happens.

DHamiz3Z
03-22-2016, 06:07 PM
so when the cop was issuing the ticket I handed him an expired state ID with outdated info and my previous address on it which was used for the ticket and court order. also the ticket has a location of 'incident' different than the tresspass form I was made to sign. Can I bring this up in court and say their accusations are false and inaccurate. Technically they werent doing their job properly

DHamiz3Z
03-22-2016, 07:05 PM
Trespassing laws are usually local (state, county, city), the exception being gov property where there is a federal trespass law. Since you were "intoxicated" I'm going to assume it wasn't in the middle of the afternoon when the mall (also known as open private property) was open, regardless of what time of day it is consent is implied BUT it can be (and obviously was) revoked by a security guard, property owner etc, AND it's subject to reasonable noted restrictions... like hours of operation, no trespass and no loitering signage.

It WAS during open hours of operation.




You giving the cop expired ID does nothing to help you... you can bring up the fact that the locations are different on the ticket and trespass form. It would have to be significantly inaccurate for a judge to take it into consideration. If the form says the incident happened at "building A of xyz-mall", and the other ticket says the incident happened at "123 xyz-mall street address" they are considered one and the same.

ticket has incorrect description of me. old stats, incorrect height, weight, and address. even tresspass form I was made to sign has more accurate information. Ticket has cops signature on it proving under oath the information given is accurate and up to date. Can I ask the officer to compare the two descriptions in front of the judge and court and ask why he signed if the information was incorrect. could I even make it out to be that they caught someone else instead of me and have the wrong person? LOL