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BeastModeFTW
11-25-2015, 03:08 PM
absolutely dreadful. all time bad. only decent players are victor oladipo, nerlens noel, rudy gobert, greek freak, michael carter williams, and cj mccollum. only real player with star potential is Greek Freak. plenty of busts all over the place. anthony bennett, cody zeller, alex len, ben mac, otto porter, trey burke, etc all looking like huge busts.

ctownballer04
11-25-2015, 03:11 PM
absolutely dreadful. all time bad. only decent players are victor oladipo, nerlens noel, rudy gobert, greek freak, michael carter williams, and cj mccollum. only real player with star potential is Greek Freak. plenty of busts all over the place. anthony bennett, cody zeller, alex len, ben mac, otto porter, trey burke, etc all looking like huge busts.

CJ's first opportunity to get burn and he's averaging 20ppg.

Keep his fuking name out your mouth.

Slats7
11-25-2015, 03:12 PM
2000 is still the worst of all-time.


- The 2000 haul combined for just three All-Star appearances, all of which came in 2004, when Michael Redd, Kenyon Martin and Jamaal Magloire represented the Eastern Conference—ahead of first-year phenom LeBron James, no less.
- Of the 58 players selected that year, only 15 went on to spend at least a decade in the Association.
- The 2000 class featured just one All-NBA performer, Redd.
- From the opening of the preps-to-pros pipeline in 1995 to its closing in 2005, no draft was less productive, statistically speaking

BeastModeFTW
11-25-2015, 03:13 PM
CJ's first opportunity to get burn and he's averaging 20ppg.

Keep his fuking name out your mouth.

cj at best will be a monte ellis type in terms of impact. he is an undersized shooting guard who is a poor defensive player and below average at rebounding and passing. he's a one dimensional player. like I said he's a decent player and potentially an all star because he puts up a lot of points but he's never going to be a franchise player.

BeastModeFTW
11-25-2015, 03:17 PM
2000 is still the worst of all-time.


- The 2000 haul combined for just three All-Star appearances, all of which came in 2004, when Michael Redd, Kenyon Martin and Jamaal Magloire represented the Eastern Conference—ahead of first-year phenom LeBron James, no less.
- Of the 58 players selected that year, only 15 went on to spend at least a decade in the Association.
- The 2000 class featured just one All-NBA performer, Redd.
- From the opening of the preps-to-pros pipeline in 1995 to its closing in 2005, no draft was less productive, statistically speaking

its draft classes like these that make me lol at all these teams tanking thinking their just going to hit it out of the park in the draft and all of a sudden become a contender. there's no guarantees with draft. you're just as likely to draft the next anthony bennett as you are the next blake griffin. the bust ratio of top 10 picks is actually extremely high through the years.

ctownballer04
11-25-2015, 03:22 PM
cj at best will be a monte ellis

full retard.

monta ellis best season is slightly better than CJ right now and he's only played ~20 games as a go to guy.

Have you even watched more than 2 of his games lol? Monta is probably the last person I'd compare him to. His game is much more similar to BRoy/Paul Pierce but two inches shorter.

BeastModeFTW
11-25-2015, 03:30 PM
full retard.

monta ellis best season is slightly better than CJ right now and he's only played ~20 games as a go to guy.

Have you even watched more than 2 of his games lol? Monta is probably the last person I'd compare him to. His game is much more similar to BRoy/Paul Pierce but two inches shorter.

Ellis 2010: 25.5/5.3/4.0/2.2 on 51.7% TS
Ellis 2011: 24.1/5.6/3.5/2.1 on 53.6% TS

are both much better then current CJ. both on chit teams so team record doesn't mean in this case.

current CJ: 19.9/3.2/3.5/0.9 on 54.5% TS

wifestealer
11-25-2015, 03:36 PM
its draft classes like these that make me lol at all these teams tanking thinking their just going to hit it out of the park in the draft and all of a sudden become a contender. there's no guarantees with draft. you're just as likely to draft the next anthony bennett as you are the next blake griffin. the bust ratio of top 10 picks is actually extremely high through the years.

you're a LOT more likely to draft a bennett vs. a griffin.

although kenyon martin was legit, don't hate. he still was serviceable after having micro fracture surgery on both knees. couldn't rebound or shoot the midrange for sh*t but was a solid defender and very athletic finisher around the rim. he made momentum plays


full retard.

monta ellis best season is slightly better than CJ right now and he's only played ~20 games as a go to guy.

Have you even watched more than 2 of his games lol? Monta is probably the last person I'd compare him to. His game is much more similar to BRoy/Paul Pierce but two inches shorter.

his comparison was spot on IMO.

lmfao @ comparing him to pierce/roy. those guys were legit superstars

ctownballer04
11-25-2015, 03:37 PM
Ellis 2010: 25.5/5.3/4.0/2.2 on 51.7% TS
Ellis 2011: 24.1/5.6/3.5/2.1 on 53.6% TS

are both much better then current CJ. both on chit teams so team record doesn't mean in this case.

current CJ: 19.9/3.2/3.5/0.9 on 54.5% TS

Are you this dumb or do purposely try to misrepresent reality? Using raw data to imply "better" when Monta averaged 41MPG those seasons. Monta's best seasons PER was 19.

Day1086
11-25-2015, 03:39 PM
Came in expecting CTown to be arguing about CJ



Leaving satisfied

ctownballer04
11-25-2015, 03:40 PM
Came in expecting CTown to be arguing about CJ



Leaving satisfied

CJ is the new Wesley Matthews.

ocill88
11-25-2015, 03:42 PM
absolutely dreadful. all time bad. only decent players are victor oladipo, nerlens noel, rudy gobert, greek freak, michael carter williams, and cj mccollum. only real player with star potential is Greek Freak. plenty of busts all over the place. anthony bennett, cody zeller, alex len, ben mac, otto porter, trey burke, etc all looking like huge busts. Oladipo, greek freak, noel, gobert are all beasts. Porter is pretty good too

skarms
11-25-2015, 03:55 PM
2013 wasn't bad actually..

BeastModeFTW
11-25-2015, 04:06 PM
Are you this dumb or do purposely try to misrepresent reality? Using raw data to imply "better" when Monta averaged 41MPG those seasons. Monta's best seasons PER was 19.

playing 41 minutes per game is a skill in set of itself. you need to have a lot of stamina to be able to play a lot of minutes like that. also do you even the law of diminishing returns? you can't just extrapolate cj's minutes and think he'll keep the same pace and efficiency. as you get to play that number of minutes you per minute production drops off since you get tired. one of monte's greatest attributes is his remarkable stamina. being able to play huge minutes and remain productive is a skill in it of itself.

ctownballer04
11-25-2015, 04:13 PM
playing 41 minutes per game is a skill in set of itself. you need to have a lot of stamina to be able to play a lot of minutes like that. also do you even the law of diminishing returns? you can't just extrapolate cj's minutes and think he'll keep the same pace and efficiency. as you get to play that number of minutes you per minute production drops off since you get tired. one of monte's greatest attributes is his remarkable stamina. being able to play huge minutes and remain productive is a skill in it of itself.

Do you even know what you are arguing? You are now trying to reference diminishing marginal returns but your original argument was around raw stats, not efficiency.

BeastModeFTW
11-25-2015, 04:17 PM
Do you even know what you are arguing? You are now trying to reference diminishing marginal returns but your original argument was around raw stats, not efficiency.

ellis has better raw stats and better per 36 stats and is a better defensive player. there is no argument. ellis is better. you don't what you're arguing about because you're a delusional homer and haven't given any shred of evidence for mccollum being at ellis's level.

edit:
ellis per 36 vs cj per 36
ellis 2011: 21.5/5.0/3.1/19 vs current cj: 20.6/3.3/3.6/1.0

also my point is that as you play more minutes per game your per minute production drops because you get tired.

YWOC
11-25-2015, 04:18 PM
Oladipo, greek freak, noel, gobert are all beasts. Porter is pretty good too

Oladipo is such a beast that he got benched for Channing Frye

cashinout
11-25-2015, 04:18 PM
OP you basically just described the average NBA draft

A0wner21
11-25-2015, 04:48 PM
They said 2011 was bad besides irving and look how that turned out.

BJohnny1988
11-25-2015, 05:54 PM
CJ is the new Wesley Matthews.
Be respectful of Wes breh.

ctownballer04
11-25-2015, 07:58 PM
you're a LOT more likely to draft a bennett vs. a griffin.

although kenyon martin was legit, don't hate. he still was serviceable after having micro fracture surgery on both knees. couldn't rebound or shoot the midrange for sh*t but was a solid defender and very athletic finisher around the rim. he made momentum plays



his comparison was spot on IMO.

lmfao @ comparing him to pierce/roy. those guys were legit superstars

PP second year in NBA, same minutes, 19.5, 5.5, 3, 2
BRoy second year in NBA, more minutes, 19.1, 4.7, 5.8, 1.1

CJ stats: 19.9, 3.5, 3.2, 0.9

Stats are very similar at this point in their careers. However, if you watch CJ play, he approaches the game very similarly to BRoy/PP. He's not fast at all, he's very methodical and crafty in how he gets his buckets.

brianphi
11-25-2015, 08:10 PM
Be respectful of Wes breh.

Kinda with him on this. Wes had so much heart and hustle. Solid defender too

ctownballer04
11-25-2015, 11:57 PM
Kinda with him on this. Wes had so much heart and hustle. Solid defender too

Wasn't bashing Wes, you all know I am the biggest Wes homer. Just said I need a new favorite player since Wesley is gone now, and CJ has taken that position.

NEXTEPICBULG91
11-26-2015, 07:25 AM
not sure why this is a thread...

the 2013 draft class from the jump was supposed to be a bad draft. everyone was pretty much saying how all you were hoping for was a servicable player (not even starter, just player). Anthony Bennett's draft day reaction pretty much tells the whole story.

Im more less surprised that the 2015 draft class is already looking stronger than the 2014 one. Granted, a few key players are injured from the 2014 class, (and as a Twovles fan its a win win with our picks from both drafts) but 2014 was supposed to be transcendent, rivaling the 1996 and 2003 classes.

AceRok
11-26-2015, 08:47 AM
Strong hate on Oladipo, the kid can ball

YWOC
11-26-2015, 09:52 AM
Strong hate on Oladipo, the kid can ball

That's why his ass got benched in favor of Channing Frye

Dude sucks ass

AceRok
11-26-2015, 10:44 AM
That's why his ass got benched in favor of Channing Frye

Dude sucks ass

He got benched because him and Payton don't compliment each other well.

YWOC
11-26-2015, 10:50 AM
He got benched because him and Payton don't compliment each other well.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact he's averaging only 13.6 ppg on 36% while chucking 14 shots per game up

And having your 2 youngest core players that were supposed to be the future of the franchise not compliment each other well....that's a real great sign