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BeastModeFTW
07-01-2015, 08:20 AM
stats are heavily influenced by the players surroundings an individual. For instance, a perimeter player can be a great rebounder but if his team has elite rebounding bigs he won't get a lot of rebounds. Similarly a big could be an elite passer but if he plays with a ball dominant point guard he may not get a lot of assist. A wing player could be a dominant scorer but if he plays alongside both a dominant point guard and big he may not scorer that many points. My point is simple- stats need to be looked within context. For example, a guy like Kobe's rebound numbers are deflated by playing alongside elite rebounding bigs like shaq, pau, bynum, odom, dwight. Similarly his assist numbers are deflated because Kobe played the majority of his career in the triangle offense which emphasizes the hockey assist and serves as a limiting factor in assists. Kobe's scoring numbers are deflated because he played with Shaq over the course the course of his athletic prime.

Kobe in the 40 games that he played without Shaq from 2000-2004 averaged 31/8/6. If Kobe never played with Shaq his career ppg numbers would be hovering around 30. Also its no surprise that Kobe's best assist numbers came in 2005 and 2013 the 2 years he didn't play in the triangle. Heck last year a broken down Kobe was well over his career averages in assists because he did not have the limiting factor of the triangle offense. He was also over his career averages in rebounds because he did not have elite rebounding big man gobbling all the boards. A person just looking at the stats would conclude that 2014-2015 Kobe was a better rebounder and passer than prime Kobe when that wasn't the case at all.

TelephoneLines
07-01-2015, 08:22 AM
Don't care about the whole Kobe thing, but yea people who use statistics as the end all be all of an argument are laughably ignorant.

fsujoseph
07-01-2015, 08:28 AM
This is what Kobetards have to resort to because none of the stats stack up favorably. You could make excuses like that for any player, LeBron played with 2 superstars in Miami and Cleveland but still has better numbers while not being a ball hog like Kobe

They're both great players; Lebron is better. Can we stop talking about it now?

BJohnny1988
07-01-2015, 08:31 AM
This is what Kobetards have to resort to because none of the stats stack up favorably. You could make excuses like that for any player, LeBron played with 2 superstars in Miami and Cleveland but still has better numbers while not being a ball hog like Kobe

They're both great players; Lebron is better. Can we stop talking about it now?
didn't read the OP.

using the comments as context clues.
figured it had something to do with this.
good work.

ClutchAnalyst
07-01-2015, 08:34 AM
This is what Kobetards have to resort to because none of the stats stack up favorably. You could make excuses like that for any player, LeBron played with 2 superstars in Miami and Cleveland but still has better numbers while not being a ball hog like Kobe

They're both great players; Lebron is better. Can we stop talking about it now?

we need to have a discussion about this in our next Ethering Kings board meeting