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arman24
05-11-2015, 10:32 AM
Since 2000, regular season AND playoffs, on shots to take the lead with 10 seconds or less to go in the 4th quarter or overtime:

Kobe Bryant: 24-83, 28.9% FG
Carmelo Anthony: 18-48, 37.5% FG
Dirk Nowitzki: 17-46, 37% FG
Vince Carter: 17-53, 32.1% FG
Ray Allen: 14-38, 36.8% FG
Chris Paul: 14-39, 35.9% FG
LeBron James: 14-62, 22.6% FG
Dwyane Wade: 13-55, 23.6% FG
Paul Pierce: 13-64, 20.3% FG
Allen Iverson: 9-28, 32.1% FG
Kevin Durant: 9-43, 20.9% FG


http://media.giphy.com/media/3djYKPkyh5sXu/giphy.gif

HoustonMiscer
05-11-2015, 10:39 AM
Cramelo's percentage isn't that bad

BullBoy8
05-11-2015, 10:44 AM
Straight up, I was actually shocked when I saw this stat right here.

http://a.espncdn.com/media/scGraphics/2015/05/11/FS_9AM_NBA_051115_Jordan_vs_James_1431344244023.jp g



But at the same time, I am guessing Jordan didnt have as many games come down to the wire as lebron has had.

And I am guessing you could minipulate it by making it the last 10 seconds and someone might have 5 more attempts and makes than the other. I realize people make up random scenarios to compare people. Like the "most 30 5 and 5 games" to compare lebron to jordan. Pretty arbitrary really.

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 10:45 AM
lmfao@ durant's percentage

he still gets chosen over bron to get the last shot rightfully

LeonardShelby
05-11-2015, 10:52 AM
Where drose at

cashinout
05-11-2015, 10:55 AM
lmfao@ durant's percentage

he still gets chosen over bron to get the last shot rightfully

i know you cant actually believe that after last night

yieldtonothing
05-11-2015, 10:59 AM
melo keeping it real af

sammywatkins
05-11-2015, 10:59 AM
i know you cant actually believe that after last night
One lucky shot doesnt define a career. You might wanna re-watch the 2011 finals.

cashinout
05-11-2015, 11:02 AM
One lucky shot doesnt define a career. You might wanna re-watch the 2011 finals.

okay then every single clutch shot ever is just lucky you stupid doo doo head

sammywatkins
05-11-2015, 11:06 AM
okay then every single clutch shot ever is just lucky you stupid doo doo head
Lol. He was 10-30. Throwing bricks up the whole game. 1-7 from three. He eventually had to make one . But hey he was only 2 turnovers away from a triple double

arman24
05-11-2015, 11:08 AM
Where drose at

Rose: 7-28 FG 25%

cashinout
05-11-2015, 11:10 AM
Lol. He was 10-30. Throwing bricks up the whole game. 1-7 from three. He eventually had to make one . But hey he was only 2 turnovers away from a triple double

so you're saying that 3 wasn't clutch?
you're saying, being tied with Micheal Jordan for most post season clutch shots is just a fluke?

you're digging a deep grave son

wildchild11
05-11-2015, 11:11 AM
Playoff Games

Game 7 of a Playoff Series

Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)

LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (*NBA Record)



Elimination Games

Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)

LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)




Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)


LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till 2013)

LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in playoffs 2010 and 2011)

LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)

LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)





Regular Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 48 for 165 (29.1%)

LeBron: 29 for 99 (29.3%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe (since 01): 54 for 176 (30.68%)

LeBron: 33 for 108 (30.56%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe (since 01): 130 for 346 (37.57%)

LeBron: 89 for 227 (39.21%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 2001 season): 243 for 586 (41.47%)

LeBron (since 04 season): 189 for 434 (43.55%)

cashinout
05-11-2015, 11:13 AM
But at the same time, I am guessing Jordan didnt have as many games come down to the wire as lebron has had.


lol what part of 11 attempts and 10 attempts don't you get?

BullBoy8
05-11-2015, 11:15 AM
lol what part of 11 attempts and 10 attempts don't you get?

I realized that after I posted, didnt feel like editing.

cashinout
05-11-2015, 11:16 AM
I realized that after I posted, didnt feel like editing.

its all good
they're both more clutch than kobe, which is all that matters

sammywatkins
05-11-2015, 11:19 AM
so you're saying that 3 wasn't clutch?
you're saying, being tied with Micheal Jordan for most post season clutch shots is just a fluke?

you're digging a deep grave son
Correct. It wasn't clutch. It was a product of you take a million shots some of them have to go in. Letstans always mention efficiency but then ignore it when it used against them.

And don't bring up total clutch postseason shots. Because everybody that has a brain knows a MJ led team wouldn't have to beat the 2009 magic with a buzzer beater. He'd have won by 15. Just lol. Maybe if he was playing in the NBA that would be an accomplishment.

cashinout
05-11-2015, 11:23 AM
Correct. It wasn't clutch. It was a product of you take a million shots some of them have to go in. Letstans always mention efficiency but then ignore it when it used against them.

And don't bring up total clutch postseason shots. Because everybody that has a brain knows a MJ led team wouldn't have to beat the 2009 magic with a buzzer beater. He'd have won by 15. Just lol. Maybe if he was playing in the NBA that would be an accomplishment.
you a dumb dumb

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 11:24 AM
lebron only beats kobe in arbitrary stats

overall stats, performance, trust from peers and teammates and cosches UNANIMOUSLY goes to kobe

TexasMajor
05-11-2015, 11:25 AM
lol what part of 11 attempts and 10 attempts don't you get?

ITP: Poster pretends the countless times Lebron passed on a buzzer beater never happened.


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NYPat
05-11-2015, 11:28 AM
http://a.espncdn.com/media/scGraphics/2015/05/11/FS_9AM_NBA_051115_Jordan_vs_James_1431344244023.jp g


Playoff Games

Game 7 of a Playoff Series

Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)

LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (*NBA Record)



Elimination Games

Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)

LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)




Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)


LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till 2013)

LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in playoffs 2010 and 2011)

LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)

LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)





Regular Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 48 for 165 (29.1%)

LeBron: 29 for 99 (29.3%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe (since 01): 54 for 176 (30.68%)

LeBron: 33 for 108 (30.56%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe (since 01): 130 for 346 (37.57%)

LeBron: 89 for 227 (39.21%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 2001 season): 243 for 586 (41.47%)

LeBron (since 04 season): 189 for 434 (43.55%)


And there you go.

SlipperyGypsy
05-11-2015, 11:33 AM
ITP: Poster pretends the countless times Lebron passed on a buzzer beater never happened.


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Passing to an open team mate rather than take a contested double team is the correct play, blown away manlets like you are too dumb to understand this still

dtbrehm
05-11-2015, 11:33 AM
I've seen so many different parameters for "clutch" that I don't pay attention to it anymore unless someone is drastically worse in all of them.

Those elimination/game 7 numbers are crazy though.

aresman1221
05-11-2015, 11:35 AM
Playoff Games

Game 7 of a Playoff Series

Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)

LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (*NBA Record)



Elimination Games

Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)

LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)




Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)


LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till 2013)

LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in playoffs 2010 and 2011)

LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)

LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)





Regular Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 48 for 165 (29.1%)

LeBron: 29 for 99 (29.3%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe (since 01): 54 for 176 (30.68%)

LeBron: 33 for 108 (30.56%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe (since 01): 130 for 346 (37.57%)

LeBron: 89 for 227 (39.21%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 2001 season): 243 for 586 (41.47%)

LeBron (since 04 season): 189 for 434 (43.55%)

is there really something else to say?

cashinout
05-11-2015, 11:38 AM
ITP: Poster pretends the countless times Lebron passed on a buzzer beater never happened.


Good news: Dementia is medically manageable. Please see a doctor immediately.

what does that have to do with them both having about the same number of attempts

that GED education peaking through

Dimez25
05-11-2015, 11:40 AM
ITT: wildchild ethers every Kobe stan.

TexasMajor
05-11-2015, 11:40 AM
what does that have to do with them both having about the same number of attempts

that GED education peaking through

Didnt really expect you to find the correlation.


LMFAO.

Swept
05-11-2015, 11:42 AM
If Vince had more minutes he would be in the lead

wildchild11
05-11-2015, 11:47 AM
If I was a lakers fan - really - I'd stick to the ring argument.

5 > 2.

Granted, Kobe earned only just 2 of his 5 as an alpha dog- as did Lebron.

But 5 > 2.

NYPat
05-11-2015, 11:47 AM
lebron only beats kobe in arbitrary stats

overall stats, performance, trust from peers and teammates and cosches UNANIMOUSLY goes to kobe

Just like your precious teammates and coaches, this is just an opinion not backed up by facts - because the facts and stats show LeBron > Kobe every time.

TheFornicator1
05-11-2015, 11:50 AM
Why only go-ahead attempts? Again, this seems like some arbitrary line for the definition of clutch and it simply isn't in line with long standing definitions. See 82games.com for their work on clutch which actually broke it down into specific determinations.

For example, off the top of my head I can automatically think of two very quick examples of clutch shots by Jordan that would not be counted:

1991 NBA Finals, Game 3, Jordan hits the jumper over 7 foot Vlade Divac to send the game to overtime (which they went on to win, him scoring half of the Bulls OT points).

1996 NBA Eastern Conference semis, Game 3, Jordan hits a fadeaway 3 that would send the game to overtime. Actually, his entire performance down the stretch of that game was clutch. See:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpNwtmudALQ
XpNwtmudALQ
(skip to 6:45 for the 4th quarter clutch action, including a CRAZY 360 finish by John Starks)

And it's quite important to consider the type of shot that is taken, too. The game isn't static nor stagnant, it's one of the most complex and unpredictable games there is. No two shots are equal as no two scenarios are identical. Simply saying player x has taken x amount of shots and hit x amount of shots is not a determination of either talent nor ability; rather it is an assessment of what happened under that particular scenario.

We can deduce a general theory about said player's ability to perform by looking at the stats, but the linear statistic most certainly does not provide the entire scope or context appropriate to come to a conclusive determination. For example, saying you'd take LBJ > MJ for the last shot based on that previous infograph, would lead one to believe that you are quite possibly out of your mind.

nvrstopworking
05-11-2015, 11:59 AM
If I was a lakers fan - really - I'd stick to the ring argument.

5 > 2.

Granted, Kobe earned only just 2 of his 5 as an alpha dog- as did Lebron.

But 5 > 2.

Lord.... if Lebron ever does get 5 rings... the tards will commit mass suicide.

NYPat
05-11-2015, 12:03 PM
If I was a lakers fan - really - I'd stick to the ring argument.

5 > 2.

Granted, Kobe earned only just 2 of his 5 as an alpha dog- as did Lebron.

But 5 > 2.

So out of 7 finals appearances, Kobe was "the man" twice.

2/5 > 2/7 then right? lol

Daewoo_Lanos
05-11-2015, 12:06 PM
Why only go-ahead attempts? Again, this seems like some arbitrary line for the definition of clutch and it simply isn't in line with long standing definitions. See 82games.com for their work on clutch which actually broke it down into specific determinations.

For example, off the top of my head I can automatically think of two very quick examples of clutch shots by Jordan that would not be counted:

1991 NBA Finals, Game 3, Jordan hits the jumper over 7 foot Vlade Divac to send the game to overtime (which they went on to win, him scoring half of the Bulls OT points).

1996 NBA Eastern Conference semis, Game 3, Jordan hits a fadeaway 3 that would send the game to overtime. Actually, his entire performance down the stretch of that game was clutch. See:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpNwtmudALQ
XpNwtmudALQ
(skip to 6:45 for the 4th quarter clutch action, including a CRAZY 360 finish by John Starks)

And it's quite important to consider the type of shot that is taken, too. The game isn't static nor stagnant, it's one of the most complex and unpredictable games there is. No two shots are equal as no two scenarios are identical. Simply saying player x has taken x amount of shots and hit x amount of shots is not a determination of either talent nor ability; rather it is an assessment of what happened under that particular scenario.

We can deduce a general theory about said player's ability to perform by looking at the stats, but the linear statistic most certainly does not provide the entire scope or context appropriate to come to a conclusive determination. For example, saying you'd take LBJ > MJ for the last shot based on that previous infograph, would lead one to believe that you are quite possibly out of your mind.

it's admirable how much effort you put into discrediting lebron.

ITP the same phaggot who asked what the SIGNIFICANCE OF BUZZER BEATERS was and accused the NBA of trumping them up. fkn LOL

why go-ahead attempts? because in order to win the game, you need your score to go ahead of the other team's score. that's why.

go play with a kangaroo phaggot.

TheFornicator1
05-11-2015, 12:17 PM
it's admirable how much effort you put into discrediting lebron.

ITP the same phaggot who asked what the SIGNIFICANCE OF BUZZER BEATERS was and accused the NBA of trumping them up. fkn LOL

why go-ahead attempts? because in order to win the game, you need your score to go ahead of the other team's score. that's why.

go play with a kangaroo phaggot.

I'm not discrediting LeBron whatsoever; you can't discredit a player of his stratospheric caliber. I'm calling into question this arbitrary measure the NBA/ESPN is using, because it is only CLICKBAIT. And elementary fools like yourself fuel them to continue doing it because you eat it up like a home cooked meal.

You do realize that by the arbitrary definition that infographic displays, it would discount Jordan's final (game winning) shot as a Chicago Bull, right? Jordan wouldn't even record an attempt, but Stockton's last ditch heave at the buzzer would. That's why the statistic is meaningless.

JmanTheJuiceman
05-11-2015, 12:18 PM
Playoff Games

Game 7 of a Playoff Series

Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)

LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (*NBA Record)



Elimination Games

Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)

LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)




Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)


LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till 2013)

LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in playoffs 2010 and 2011)

LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)

LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)





Regular Season; a shot to tie or take the lead

Last 24 seconds

Kobe: 48 for 165 (29.1%)

LeBron: 29 for 99 (29.3%)

Last 30 seconds

Kobe (since 01): 54 for 176 (30.68%)

LeBron: 33 for 108 (30.56%)

Last 2 minutes

Kobe (since 01): 130 for 346 (37.57%)

LeBron: 89 for 227 (39.21%)

Last 5 minutes

Kobe (since 2001 season): 243 for 586 (41.47%)

LeBron (since 04 season): 189 for 434 (43.55%)


Hahahahaha

Holy ****ing ether

notWilliam
05-11-2015, 12:20 PM
Lmao at lebron stans being ethered in this thread.

5>2 and all gms say Kobe is more clutch.
Get back to me when lbj actually plays well in an important game in the playoffs. I'll be watching lechoke losing in 2011 and pad his clutch late game fg % by lelayuping.

BroHusky
05-11-2015, 12:21 PM
Cliffs:

- GOATbe gon GOATbe

TexasMajor
05-11-2015, 12:34 PM
Lord.... if Lebron ever does get 5 rings... the tards will commit mass suicide.

Lebron could EASILY get 5 rings............................................. if he wanted to

Daewoo_Lanos
05-11-2015, 12:35 PM
I'm not discrediting LeBron whatsoever; you can't discredit a player of his stratospheric caliber. I'm calling into question this arbitrary measure the NBA/ESPN is using, because it is only CLICKBAIT. And elementary fools like yourself fuel them to continue doing it because you eat it up like a home cooked meal.

You do realize that by the arbitrary definition that infographic displays, it would discount Jordan's final (game winning) shot as a Chicago Bull, right? Jordan wouldn't even record an attempt, but Stockton's last ditch heave at the buzzer would. That's why the statistic is meaningless.

ITP im not discrediting lebron. im just discrediting lebron

shut the fuk up clown. tell us again how the NBA recently fabricated the significance of buzzer beaters to make lebron look good.

notWilliam
05-11-2015, 12:39 PM
I'm not discrediting LeBron whatsoever; you can't discredit a player of his stratospheric caliber. I'm calling into question this arbitrary measure the NBA/ESPN is using, because it is only CLICKBAIT. And elementary fools like yourself fuel them to continue doing it because you eat it up like a home cooked meal.

You do realize that by the arbitrary definition that infographic displays, it would discount Jordan's final (game winning) shot as a Chicago Bull, right? Jordan wouldn't even record an attempt, but Stockton's last ditch heave at the buzzer would. That's why the statistic is meaningless.

I agree with this.
It also has to be said that late game shots aren't the best way to determine clutch. It just shows individual shot creating skill and undermines other aspects of the game. In my definition, it's the ability to show up to high importance games. Your performance shouldn't hinge on a low percentage shot; all 4 quarters matter in a big game


And lol if lebron really wanted to he can win 5 rings.... Or so he says.
It's a bummer he has the heart of a loser and no killer instinct like goatbe.

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 12:40 PM
Cumulative Clutch Post Season Percentages:

Lebron: 41.9%
Kobe: 48.6%


yuuuhhhhh

keep cherry picking just like what lebron does on the court

Shortstop36
05-11-2015, 12:44 PM
Here's the question. How many of Lebronie's clutch shots were when his team is losing???? Everytime he makes a clutch shot it seems as though they will be at the worst tied after him shooting the ball. Much more pressure if the team is losing

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 12:49 PM
Here's the question. How many of Lebronie's clutch shots were when his team is losing???? Everytime he makes a clutch shot it seems as though they will be at the worst tied after him shooting the ball. Much more pressure if the team is losing

the term "closing" includes this includes overall

clutch and closing influence the topic of "last second shot", and in terms of 4th quarter production, kobe's been ahead of the game for a long time

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/01/31/nba-fourth-quarter-performers-kevin-durant-kobe-bryant/1875895/

even in 2013 Kobe and Durant were ahead of bron

wildchild11
05-11-2015, 12:50 PM
Cumulative Clutch Post Season Percentages:

Lebron: 41.9%
Kobe: 48.6%


yuuuhhhhh

keep cherry picking just like what lebron does on the court


cumulative vague non-clearly defined skill percentages

Lebron: 66%
Kobe: 10%

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 12:53 PM
cumulative vague non-clearly defined skill percentages

Lebron: 66%
Kobe: 10%

"skills"

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/2071914/lebron-james-travel-o.gif

6iibPJb-yo


4fSlLdXNzPw

Spill512
05-11-2015, 12:55 PM
22.6%?

Where dey do dat at?

GOATBE killing LeChoke yet again.

notWilliam
05-11-2015, 12:56 PM
"skills"

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/2071914/lebron-james-travel-o.gif

6iibPJb-yo


4fSlLdXNzPw
Just lmao at letravel fans.
They'd rather be a fan of blatant push offs and offensive fouls and flopping then precise footwork and a deadly fadeaway jumper

nikonD70s
05-11-2015, 01:08 PM
do you guys even compare difficultness?

dat defense, dat skill, dat everything

79y_YCkHhso

goatbe's game winning/tying shots are 10x harder then lebum's

JmanTheJuiceman
05-11-2015, 01:09 PM
lmao wildchild's post from page 1 literally chits on all of your arguments ^^


why keep posting?

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 01:10 PM
How can you argue how arbitrary this stat is, while not acknowledging that EVERY cutoff for "clutch" is arbitrary?


Stop getting so butthurt at every LBJ vs MJ comparison. We all know why they're doing them, and it IS clickbait, it's also because LeBron is the closest thing to Jordan in terms of dominance, since Jordan from a perimeter player.


Get back to us when you have a ****ing brain sir.

Game 4, down 2-1, hits a DAGGER for the win with 1.5 seconds left... not important? HOW ARE PEOPLE THIS ****ING DUMB, SHUT THE **** UP AND UNHOOK YOUR COMPUTER YOU ASSCLOWNS.

Dude.... I'll pray you are being sarcastic, because notWilliam IS being sarcastic.

wildchild11
05-11-2015, 01:15 PM
Lmao at lebron stans being ethered in this thread.

5>2 and all gms say Kobe is more clutch.
Get back to me when lbj actually plays well in an important game in the playoffs. I'll be watching lechoke losing in 2011 and pad his clutch late game fg % by lelayuping.


troll so hard mothfuggas wanna fine me
but first they gotta find me

notWilliam
05-11-2015, 01:16 PM
Get back to us when you have a ****ing brain sir.

Game 4, down 2-1, hits a DAGGER for the win with 1.5 seconds left... not important? HOW ARE PEOPLE THIS ****ING DUMB, SHUT THE **** UP AND UNHOOK YOUR COMPUTER YOU ASSCLOWNS.
Just lmao typical LeClank Stan.

That was against the Leastern conference team in an irrelevant game.
My friend, I've seen Kobe hits dozens of more impressive shots in more meaningful games. I don't have the exact numbers with me, but trust me champ, I know for a fact that Goatbe > LeChoke.


Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go build a house with all the bricks LeBum laid for me.

RogerSterling
05-11-2015, 01:18 PM
Since 2000, regular season AND playoffs, on shots to take the lead with 10 seconds or less to go in the 4th quarter or overtime:

Kobe Bryant: 24-83, 28.9% FG
Carmelo Anthony: 18-48, 37.5% FG
Dirk Nowitzki: 17-46, 37% FG
Vince Carter: 17-53, 32.1% FG
Ray Allen: 14-38, 36.8% FG
Chris Paul: 14-39, 35.9% FG
LeBron James: 14-62, 22.6% FG
Dwyane Wade: 13-55, 23.6% FG
Paul Pierce: 13-64, 20.3% FG
Allen Iverson: 9-28, 32.1% FG
Kevin Durant: 9-43, 20.9% FG


http://media.giphy.com/media/3djYKPkyh5sXu/giphy.gif

Hmmmm Carmelo proved GOAT of this generation

JmanTheJuiceman
05-11-2015, 01:26 PM
Just lmao typical LeClank Stan.

That was against the Leastern conference team in an irrelevant game.
My friend, I've seen Kobe hits dozens of more impressive shots in more meaningful games. I don't have the exact numbers with me, but trust me champ, I know for a fact that Goatbe > LeChoke.


Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go build a house with all the bricks LeBum laid for me.

Tfw when you've been had....

God damnit notWilliam

wildchild11
05-11-2015, 01:28 PM
JmanJuiceman are you okay?

JmanJuiceman are you okay?!

Are you okay Jman?!


You've been hit by



You've been struck by




















































































































The troll notWilliam

TheFornicator1
05-11-2015, 01:30 PM
Hmmmm Carmelo proved GOAT of this generation

'Melo has actually been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in this category for quite a while, despite his dwindling into mediocrity in recent NYK days. Circa '10 he was stomping on everybody.

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 01:30 PM
llmao im a phaggot and i like cock in my anus herr durr hehehehe

shut the fuk up

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 01:31 PM
notWilliam is mastering this troll, yet every single kobestan will read his posts and think "THIS GUY GETS IT!" not even realizing what's going on.


'Melo has actually been head and shoulders above the rest of the league in this category for quite a while, despite his dwindling into mediocrity in recent NYK days. Circa '10 he was stomping on everybody.

Every NBA guru knows Melo is clutch AF. Problem is he kinda sucks now, and his teams are terrible. He cares more about fame and money than winning.

I can't even think of a more complete offensive player UPON ENTERING THE NBA than Melo. Dude had it all from day 1 on offense.

TyreekD
05-11-2015, 01:36 PM
Kobe been in way more playoff games doe. Lebron James still has time to **** up just like Kobe.

TheFornicator1
05-11-2015, 01:36 PM
Eh, I've never been a fan of 'Melo's character. Comparatively (to the likes of Bryant or James), he comes across as a disinterested pothead. I don't like the guy. But statistically, prior to the last three seasons, in the clutch he was off the charts (specifically regarding game-winning shots). Since moving to New York though, he's hit something like 15% of his game winning attempts; atrocious. NY State of Mind of peace...

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 01:39 PM
Eh, I've never been a fan of 'Melo's character. Comparatively (to the likes of Bryant or James), he comes across as a disinterested pothead. I don't like the guy. But statistically, prior to the last three seasons, in the clutch he was off the charts (specifically regarding game-winning shots). Since moving to New York though, he's hit something like 15% of his game winning attempts; atrocious. NY State of Mind of peace...

Again, I never admired his work ethic or drive, he's not even in the same galaxy as ANY all time great. HE has the body and game of one of the best ever, and the mind of a disinterested high school drop out.

Melo's offensive game however, has always been phenomenal, up until about 2 years ago when he clearly decided he cared more about being famous than being good at basketball.

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 01:40 PM
Eh, I've never been a fan of 'Melo's character. Comparatively (to the likes of Bryant or James), he comes across as a disinterested pothead. I don't like the guy. But statistically, prior to the last three seasons, in the clutch he was off the charts (specifically regarding game-winning shots). Since moving to New York though, he's hit something like 15% of his game winning attempts; atrocious. NY State of Mind of peace...

i watched almost all of melo's games in NY

to me it seemed like he tried his ass off like no other

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 01:44 PM
i watched almost all of melo's games in NY

to me it seemed like he tried his ass off like no other

You're stupid as hell. Your thoughts basically confirm the opposite.

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 01:45 PM
You're stupid as hell. Your thoughts basically confirm the opposite.

coming from the guy who didnt even watch a full knicks season


yawn

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 01:48 PM
coming from the guy who didnt even watch a full knicks season


yawn

The fck does this even mean? Did you? What is the counter argument here? That you watched the entire knicks collapse of the past 2 years? Sounds like you spend your time very ineffectively.

wifestealer
05-11-2015, 01:52 PM
Again, I never admired his work ethic or drive, he's not even in the same galaxy as ANY all time great. HE has the body and game of one of the best ever, and the mind of a disinterested high school drop out.

Melo's offensive game however, has always been phenomenal, up until about 2 years ago when he clearly decided he cared more about being famous than being good at basketball.

melo is my favourite player but lettuce beef cereal he has the paul pierce build.

he's 6'8 and can barely dunk.

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 01:55 PM
melo is my favourite player but lettuce beef cereal he has the paul pierce build.

he's 6'8 and can barely dunk.

He has that build because he's lazy, like I said. Melo entering the league was the prototype of super elite wing players. Obviously he's not the lab built player LeBron is, buit as close as you can get? Pretty much.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nba/_photos/2003-05-21-inside-anthony.jpg

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 01:58 PM
The fck does this even mean? Did you? What is the counter argument here? That you watched the entire knicks collapse of the past 2 years? Sounds like you spend your time very ineffectively.

first of all calm down, you act like a fkin phaggot having a heart attack in every single post


the argument is that i have an idea of what im talking about unlike someone who doesnt even watch games

lol @ time spent ineffectively criticism

take a look at your join date and posts bro

rocks and glass house or rock scientist? hmmm

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 02:02 PM
None of your posts make sense.

But I love that they are double spaced

Like this.

It accurately displays your inability to form and type thoughts coherently

It's like you have 6 separate ideas and give them each one line

To confuse your opponent with your total inability to think or speak logically.

JmanTheJuiceman
05-11-2015, 02:16 PM
JmanJuiceman are you okay?

JmanJuiceman are you okay?!

Are you okay Jman?!


You've been hit by



You've been struck by




















































































































The troll notWilliam

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140920193103/r2d/images/7/74/Sad_face_meme_i20-s287x310-315187.jpg

Neil4123
05-11-2015, 02:17 PM
lebron only beats kobe in arbitrary stats

overall stats, performance, trust from peers and teammates and cosches UNANIMOUSLY goes to kobe

It's crazy how often you post things that are 100% the opposite of the truth. Kobe only beats Lebron in arbitrary stats. Lebron is superior to Kobe in almost every statistical category. Do you know what arbitrary means?

Still waiting on you to illustrate those "stats you found on NBA.com" that show that Kobe shoots a better % than Lebron in the clutch.

JmanTheJuiceman
05-11-2015, 02:18 PM
shut the fuk up

Please don't hurt me avi-less 13 year old

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 02:22 PM
Meanwhile in the bottom 10

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-lebron-0511.png?w=610&h=745

(By contrast, Bryant generated 3.2 fewer points than expected and did it in games that were about 64 percent more important than the average playoff game, compounding the damage of his 1-for-10 performance.)

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 02:31 PM
It's crazy how often you post things that are 100% the opposite of the truth. Kobe only beats Lebron in arbitrary stats. Lebron is superior to Kobe in almost every statistical category. Do you know what arbitrary means?

Still waiting on you to illustrate those "stats you found on NBA.com" that show that Kobe shoots a better % than Lebron in the clutch.

if you dont believe that i got the stats from nba.com then why dont you go look up the clutch stats from nba.com, add them up, and find the correct average for yourself and then compare then you phaggot

dissecting into categories that give lebron the advantage doesnt mean chit outside the internet

how was it that even in 2013 kobe was the superior 4th quarter player to lebron?

foh with this "i dont believe in professional's opinon" bull chit. you idiots have some sort of retard confidence to think that your face value stat interpretations hold any significant value.

most of the stats and arguments are cherry picked like no other as well, just like what wildreject did itt

the other day you were jerking off to lebron's efficiency and here he is clanking your heart away

at least admit it that you dont care cause he at least won the game with a buzzer beater

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 02:32 PM
if you dont believe that i got the stats from nba.com then why dont you go look up the clutch stats from nba.com, add them up, and find the correct average for yourself and then compare then you phaggot

dissecting into categories that give lebron the advantage doesnt mean chit outside the internet

how was it that even in 2013 kobe was the superior 4th quarter player to lebron?

foh with this "i dont believe in professional's opinon" bull chit. you idiots have some sort of retard confidence to think that your face value stat interpretations hold any significant value.

most of the stats and arguments are cherry picked like no other as well, just like what wildreject did itt

the other day you were jerking off to lebron's efficiency and here he is clanking your heart away

at least admit it that you dont care cause he at least won the game with a buzzer beater

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-lebron-0511.png?w=610&h=745

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 02:34 PM
https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-lebron-0511.png?w=610&h=745


last second shot nominations: Kobe -- too many to count

Lebron--0

internet victory--lebron

real life victory--kobe

NYPat
05-11-2015, 02:37 PM
last second shot nominations: Kobe -- too many to count

Lebron--0

internet victory--lebron

real life victory--kobe

Weak

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 02:41 PM
ITT stats are not real life.

Neil4123
05-11-2015, 02:49 PM
if you dont believe that i got the stats from nba.com then why dont you go look up the clutch stats from nba.com, add them up, and find the correct average for yourself and then compare then you phaggot

dissecting into categories that give lebron the advantage doesnt mean chit outside the internet

how was it that even in 2013 kobe was the superior 4th quarter player to lebron?

foh with this "i dont believe in professional's opinon" bull chit. you idiots have some sort of retard confidence to think that your face value stat interpretations hold any significant value.

most of the stats and arguments are cherry picked like no other as well, just like what wildreject did itt

the other day you were jerking off to lebron's efficiency and here he is clanking your heart away

at least admit it that you dont care cause he at least won the game with a buzzer beater

I don't believe you because every stat I've ever seen does not support your statement. If you've found a stat that supports Kobe over Lebron in the clutch then you're the one who's cherry picking stats to support your view, because Lebron > Kobe in every category no matter how you're defining clutch. What exactly are you defining as clutch when you list this 41% vs 48% stat?

Honestly dude, I don't think being a "professional" gives you some sort of god-tier credibility over the average hardcore NBA fan. We got "professionals" who picked Darko Milicic over Carmele, Wade, and Bosh. We got professionals who picked Anthony Bennett and Kwame Brown 1st overall. Those jobs are more about luck and "who you know" rather than being some sort of next level basketball mind.

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 02:56 PM
I don't believe you because every stat I've ever seen does not support your statement. If you've found a stat that supports Kobe over Lebron in the clutch then you're the one who's cherry picking stats to support your view, because Lebron > Kobe in every category no matter how you're defining clutch. What exactly are you defining as clutch when you list this 41% vs 48% stat?

Honestly dude, I don't think being a "professional" gives you some sort of god-tier credibility over the average hardcore NBA fan. We got "professionals" who picked Darko Milicic over Carmele, Wade, and Bosh. We got professionals who picked Anthony Bennett and Kwame Brown 1st overall. Those jobs are more about luck and "who you know" rather than being some sort of next level basketball mind.

so then explain why the fuk did the MAJORITY of players and coaches pick kobe over lebron?

why do they pick durant over lebron for clutch?

what is this excessively MASSIVE amounts of experts that are UNANIMOUSLY picking certain players over lebron regarding clutch?


as ive said, either go do your stat homework from nba.com yourself, or shut the fuk up and quit bitching about it

im not the one who cherry picked chit, ive posted clutch stats that are defined as clutch from NBA.com, not some arbitrary measurements used to boost lebron's value

Brosnbroccoli
05-11-2015, 03:00 PM
Passing to an open team mate rather than take a contested double team is the correct play, blown away manlets like you are too dumb to understand this still

Tempted to neg. If you're gonna be an *******, you better be 100% sure that you're right.

Yes, passing to Bosh, dwade, Ray Allen etc. is a good decision.
Passing to Udonis fukken Haslem is not a good play.... I can't fathom how you think that's the right play...

On topic:
I don't really care about manipulated clutch stats. Many also show LeBron as the most clutch of the two.
The main point is, that LeBron is getting unfairly labled as a choker. BUT, when he passes the ball to subpar players, it looks as though he's afraid to take responsability, and he would probably have been better off just missing the shot. Media wise anyway.

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 03:03 PM
Honestly dude, I don't think being a "professional" gives you some sort of god-tier credibility over the average hardcore NBA fan. We got "professionals" who picked Darko Milicic over Carmele, Wade, and Bosh. We got professionals who picked Anthony Bennett and Kwame Brown 1st overall. Those jobs are more about luck and "who you know" rather than being some sort of next level basketball mind.

and LOL this is why no one should ever take your opinion seriously

you are comparing the act of talent scouting to actual analysis

you are clearly fukin stupid for even trying to make a point like that

scouting has its risks and everyone knows it

analysis is entirely different and is based off of documented facts

the fact here is that you think you are some sort of expert because your face value intuitive analysis contradicts experts in regards to clutch

ive said it many times before, sports analysis will always be counter-intuitive, whether you like it or not

Neil4123
05-11-2015, 03:03 PM
so then explain why the fuk did the MAJORITY of players and coaches pick kobe over lebron?

why do they pick durant over lebron for clutch?

what is this excessively MASSIVE amounts of experts that are UNANIMOUSLY picking certain players over lebron regarding clutch?


as ive said, either go do your stat homework from nba.com yourself, or shut the fuk up and quit bitching about it

im not the one who cherry picked chit, ive posted clutch stats that are defined as clutch from NBA.com, not some arbitrary measurements used to boost lebron's value

Again, say the stats or gtfo. You've avoided posting them after I've asked for them 5+ times because they don't exist. Lmfao @ making up stats to lift Kobe over Lebron, then telling people to "look them up yourself" when questioned about them.

I can't explain why a bunch of experts would pick Lebron over Kobe, or Durant over Lebron in the clutch. Nothing objectively supports that opinion. I question the expertise of someone who would pick Durant/Kobe over Lebron in any situation, they're both inferior players.

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 03:05 PM
"Go do your homework that I'm pretending I did, and then when you link it, I will just ignore it" - ClutchAnalCyst

Trequartista
05-11-2015, 03:05 PM
lol at all those percentages, ball hogs gonna ball hog and is why basketball is mostly unwatchable

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 03:08 PM
Again, say the stats or gtfo. You've avoided posting them after I've asked for them 5+ times because they don't exist. Lmfao @ making up stats to lift Kobe over Lebron, then telling people to "look them up yourself" when questioned about them.

I can't explain why a bunch of experts would pick Lebron over Kobe, or Durant over Lebron in the clutch. Nothing objectively supports that opinion. I question the expertise of someone who would pick Durant/Kobe over Lebron in any situation, they're both inferior players.

again, im not going through all that work. if you want the stats again, then go back to my post and read them you illiterate fuk

if not then go to the clutch category in nba.com and do the math

if you prove that nba.com stats clutch settings prove lebron is better then ill look like a fool

so whats the issue?

LOL @ "I can't explain why a bunch of experts would pick Lebron over Kobe, or Durant over Lebron in the clutch. Nothing objectively supports that opinion. I question the expertise of someone who would pick Durant/Kobe over Lebron in any situation, they're both inferior players."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/01/31/nba-fourth-quarter-performers-kevin-durant-kobe-bryant/1875895/

Midgetkiller
05-11-2015, 03:10 PM
Since 2000, regular season AND playoffs, on shots to take the lead with 10 seconds or less to go in the 4th quarter or overtime:

Kobe Bryant: 24-83, 28.9% FG
Carmelo Anthony: 18-48, 37.5% FG
Dirk Nowitzki: 17-46, 37% FG
Vince Carter: 17-53, 32.1% FG
Ray Allen: 14-38, 36.8% FG
Chris Paul: 14-39, 35.9% FG
LeBron James: 14-62, 22.6% FG
Dwyane Wade: 13-55, 23.6% FG
Paul Pierce: 13-64, 20.3% FG
Allen Iverson: 9-28, 32.1% FG
Kevin Durant: 9-43, 20.9% FG


http://media.giphy.com/media/3djYKPkyh5sXu/giphy.gifSurprised with Melo's percentage, cot dem.

TheFornicator1
05-11-2015, 03:12 PM
Kobe's performance in the clutch has never been a matter of talent or ability, rather one of stupidity. He redefined hero ball in the clutch.

I've never seen another player want to take the most difficult shot available, knowing that it would cement the moment 10-fold. Many of the shots he's hoisted up over the time I've spent watching him (his whole career) have been the mark of audacity; he'll throw it up from 30 feet with 2 players wide open on the wings; he'll hesitate for just enough time to draw the extra defender that little closer to his shot in order to make it more spectacular. He did this with the game on the line. He did it all the time.

People compare Kobe to Jordan through the highlight reel. But what you don't notice is the elite off-ball movement of Michael working through screens, constantly finding space from his defender away from the ball. You don't notice that Jordan will take a shot as soon as he finds space in order to increase his effectiveness, as opposed to Kobe who seemed to want to find a way to make it more of a challenge. These things are slight nuances that have a massive impact.

Kobe's been keenly aware of his legacy, the importance of clutch, and the extent to which 'miraculous' can be imprinted on the psyche of the viewer. When he makes those ridiculous shots, you forget about the 10 he missed prior. He could've been so much more efficient both in the clutch and in general had he been more favorable to the term 'efficient' as opposed to 'amazing'.

In terms of absolute basketball skill; of having a refined, universal skill-set, the only player on his level IMO is Mike. Unfortunately he got so deep into the rabbit hole of chasing him that I think he lost all sense of right & wrong in regard to appropriate basketball decisions, much of the time. That's if he ever had it all, to begin with. There's a reason the Lakers organization managed his minutes hard in his career's infancy, and it's not just because he was a raw highschool talent. Dude was a maniac.

But he's also been somewhat correct. LBJ gets a lot of flack for his clutch performance for a few reasons, even if they are often undeserved (he's clearly a very clutch player [comparative to league average] by any measure, and has been for a long time). Part of the reason is that he has memorable failures (choking at the line, 'tanking' in games, etc) but also that his successes are while obviously efficient, rather mundane. People aren't too keen on remembering an easy drive through the lane for the win.

So Bryant, in regard to legacy, probably got it right in the end. Fans will, and quite obviously do, forget the bad basketball decisions and the unnecessary 30 foot bricks [stupidity]. The memory of them is supplanted by the baseline fadeaway make over 3 defenders [amazing], however few & far between they may actually be. Conversely, people are quite quick to forget the memory of some pedestrian game winning layup.

Sensationalism rules the heart&mind of the casual fan, and Kobe mastered the sensational.

I've never looked at Kobe's clutch stats (or even stats in general) and thought "sucks". I've always thought "stupid". I do also think that Bryant faced a lot more focused defense. Basing this purely on my anecdotal recollections, but defenses were genuinely geared up toward pressuring the hell out of Bryant. And while it makes some of the shots he's taken over time even more preposterous, it does also inherently mean they were more difficult to begin with.

/rant

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 03:16 PM
Kobe's performance in the clutch has never been a matter of talent or ability, rather one of stupidity. He redefined hero ball in the clutch.

I've never seen another player want to take the most difficult shot available, knowing that it would cement the moment 10-fold. Many of the shots he's hoisted up over the time I've spent watching him (his whole career) have been the mark of audacity; he'll throw it up from 30 feet with 2 players wide open on the wings; he'll hesitate for just enough time to draw the extra defender that little closer to his shot in order to make it more spectacular. He did this with the game on the line.

He's been keenly aware of his legacy, the importance of clutch, and the extent to which 'miraculous' can be imprinted on the psyche of the viewer. When he makes those ridiculous shots, you forget about the 10 he missed prior. He could've been so much more efficient both in the clutch and in general had he been more favorable to the term 'efficient' as opposed to 'amazing'.

In terms of absolute basketball skill; of having a refined, universal skill-set, the only player on his level IMO is Mike. Unfortunately he got so deep into the rabbit hole of chasing him that I think he lost all sense of right & wrong in regard to appropriate basketball decisions, much of the time. That's if he ever had it all, to begin with. There's a reason the Lakers organization managed his minutes hard in his career's infancy, and it's not just because he was a raw highschool talent. Dude was a maniac.

But he's also been somewhat correct. LBJ gets a lot of flack for his clutch performance for a few reasons, even if they are often undeserved (he's clearly a very clutch player [comparative to league average] by any measure, and has been for a long time). Part of the reason is that he has memorable failures (choking at the line, 'tanking' in games, etc) but also that his successes are while obviously efficient, rather mundane. People aren't too keen on remembering an easy drive through the lane for the win.

So Bryant, in regard to legacy, probably got it right in the end. Fans will, and quite obviously do, forget the bad basketball decisions and the unnecessary 30 foot bricks [stupidity]. The memory of them is supplanted by the baseline fadeaway make over 3 defenders [amazing], however few & far between they may actually be. Conversely, people are quite quick to forget the memory of some pedestrian game winning layup.

Sensationalism rules the heart&mind of the casual fan, and Kobe mastered the sensational.

I've never looked at Kobe's clutch stats (or even stats in general) and thought "sucks". I've always thought "stupid". I do also think that Bryant faced a lot more focused defense. Basing this purely on my anecdotal recollections, but defenses were genuinely geared up toward pressuring the hell out of Bryant. And while it makes some of the shots he's taken over time even more preposterous, it does also inherently mean they were more difficult to begin with.

/rant

You're wrong though. LeBron has .... one pedestrian game winner. The obvious Indy lay up you are referencing. His game winner vs Detroit was INSANELY difficult.

He also has two of the most difficult, deep game winning playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history vs the Bulls and Magic.



Other than that, your overarching point of "Kobe is way too self aware" is true. You're just disregarding that anyone with the ability to grasp the stats would instantly realize Kobe is a significant detriment(huehuehuehuehue) to his own team in the clutch.

notWilliam
05-11-2015, 03:17 PM
It's crazy how often you post things that are 100% the opposite of the truth. Kobe only beats Lebron in arbitrary stats. Lebron is superior to Kobe in almost every statistical category. Do you know what arbitrary means?

Still waiting on you to illustrate those "stats you found on NBA.com" that show that Kobe shoots a better % than Lebron in the clutch.

Just lmao if you think this.

Kobe shoots 63% in high pressure situations while lebron shoots only 41% in high presssure situations.

Just lol at using arbitrary stats like PPG, APG, RPG in an elimination game. I did a statistical analysis on players opinions and GM opinions and it turns out that they are more likely to favor Kobe as the last shot taker than LeBron at a 0.02 significance level.
Now that is real life and what counts so all you lechoke nut riders can grasp reality unlike irrelevant factual stats

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 03:18 PM
You're wrong though. LeBron has .... one pedestrian game winner. The obvious Indy lay up you are referencing. His game winner vs Detroit was INSANELY difficult.

He also has two of the most difficult, deep game winning playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history vs the Bulls and Magic.



Other than that, your overarching point of "Kobe is way too self aware" is true. You're just disregarding that anyone with the ability to grasp the stats would instantly realize Kobe is a significant detriment(huehuehuehuehue) to his own team in the clutch.

detrimental yet has higher 4th quarter production and better playoff career clutch statistics according to nba.com

herr durrr but cherry picked lebron clutch stats

NYPat
05-11-2015, 03:19 PM
again, im not going through all that work. if you want the stats again, then go back to my post and read them you illiterate fuk

if not then go to the clutch category in nba.com and do the math

if you prove that nba.com stats clutch settings prove lebron is better then ill look like a fool

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-lebron-0511.png?w=610&h=745

Spill512
05-11-2015, 03:19 PM
lol hard at Lebronies trying to muster up their own definition of clutch.

It's too late nikkas. 22.6%. The world knows.

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 03:20 PM
detrimental yet has higher 4th quarter production and better playoff career clutch statistics according to nba.com

herr durrr but cherry picked lebron clutch stats

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-lebron-0511.png?w=610&h=745

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 03:22 PM
https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-lebron-0511.png?w=610&h=745

Cumulative Clutch Post Season Percentages:

Lebron: 41.9%
Kobe: 48.6%


career lebron clutch:
22.6%

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 03:23 PM
Cumulative Clutch Post Season Percentages:

Lebron: 41.9%
Kobe: 48.6%


career lebron clutch:
22.6%

LeBron clutch % 67.8
Kobe Clutch % 32.1

Adjusted for weight value confidence

LeBron 78.4% +17.9 points expected
Kobe 34.3% -3.5 points expected



Analysis complete.

TheFornicator1
05-11-2015, 03:23 PM
You're wrong though. LeBron has .... one pedestrian game winner. The obvious Indy lay up you are referencing. His game winner vs Detroit was INSANELY difficult.

Actually I was thinking of his baseline one against the Wizards, lol. He's so clutch you can't even remember 'em all ;)

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 03:24 PM
LeBron clutch % 67.8
Kobe Clutch % 32.1

Adjusted for weight value confidence

LeBron 78.4% +17.9 points expected
Kobe 34.3% -3.5 points expected


Analysis complete.

Cumulative Clutch Post Season Percentages:

Lebron: 41.9%
Kobe: 48.6%


career lebron clutch:
22.6%

sdballer5588
05-11-2015, 03:25 PM
Actually I was thinking of his baseline one against the Wizards, lol. He's so clutch you can't even remember 'em all ;)

Lol ah well. THERE ARE JUST SO MANY TO CHOOSE FROM NOMSAIYIN

NYPat
05-11-2015, 03:25 PM
Cumulative Clutch Post Season Percentages:

Lebron: 41.9%
Kobe: 48.6%


career lebron clutch:
22.6%

Dat you Skip?

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/5/11/8583361/skip-bayless-hates-lebron-james-and-is-generally-wrong-about-stuff

Spill512
05-11-2015, 03:26 PM
Cumulative Clutch Post Season Percentages:

Lebron: 41.9%
Kobe: 48.6%


career lebron clutch:
22.6%

You guys are really trying to argue clutch stats with a guy named clutchanalyst? You thought that was going to end well for you?

Lawddddd. ClutchAnalyst just straight ripping through these pussies. Case closed. Put it in the archives. This thread is done. Any post henceforth shall be stricken from the records. Nothing else mattered after this post.

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 03:27 PM
You guys are really trying to argue clutch stats with a guy named clutchanalyst? You thought that was going to end well for you?

Lawddddd. ClutchAnalyst just straight ripping through these pussies. Case closed. Put it in the archives. This thread is done. Any post henceforth shall be stricken from the records.

i dont even try anymore man

these fools try to cherry pick like lebron to seem like they are winning

but you know how that ends --- 2/5

TheFornicator1
05-11-2015, 03:28 PM
I'm guessing that pic was from something Neil Paine wrote? He's been writing some trash since he joined fivethirtyeight but this one looks interesting. Link to article?

Spill512
05-11-2015, 03:39 PM
i dont even try anymore man

these fools try to cherry pick like lebron to seem like they are winning

but you know how that ends --- 2/5

ClutchAnalyst was scheming all of this from the beginning. These clowns were just chess pieces going through the motions. There was no other option but for them to lose.

2/5 was always the check mate.

TtibpPW1nx8

ClutchAnalyst
05-11-2015, 03:43 PM
ClutchAnalyst was scheming all of this from the beginning. These clowns were just chess pieces going through the motions. There was no other option but for them to lose.

2/5 was always the check mate.

TtibpPW1nx8

thats the mind of a hustler

real nikka wassup

TheFornicator1
05-11-2015, 06:27 PM
EDIT: Something is wrong with this data, I will revisit it

cashinout
05-11-2015, 06:29 PM
https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-lebron-0511.png?w=610&h=745

b..b..but GM's!?

broboma2012
05-11-2015, 07:29 PM
You're wrong though. LeBron has .... one pedestrian game winner. The obvious Indy lay up you are referencing. His game winner vs Detroit was INSANELY difficult.

He also has two of the most difficult, deep game winning playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history vs the Bulls and Magic.



Other than that, your overarching point of "Kobe is way too self aware" is true. You're just disregarding that anyone with the ability to grasp the stats would instantly realize Kobe is a significant detriment(huehuehuehuehue) to his own team in the clutch.

i see what you did there


edit: also, i have trademarked clutchanalcyst dutchanalcyst and the analcyst. you owe me $5

wildchild11
05-11-2015, 07:38 PM
Cumulative clutch percentages needs to become a meme

http://www.*******.com/attachments/mayweatherltoss-gif.6318/?d=1430786654

waisoserious
05-11-2015, 07:45 PM
1. rings
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4. rangs
5. rangz

Neil4123
05-11-2015, 07:47 PM
Cumulative Clutch Post Season Percentages:

Lebron: 41.9%
Kobe: 48.6%


career lebron clutch:
22.6%

Link to where these numbers come from? Legit think you just made them up.