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Fedex01
02-07-2015, 10:44 PM
Many of you folks won't know, but as we speak, Turkey is transforming its military into something that 95% of other European nations can't even think of coming close to.

Turkey is already one of the top three strongest military powers of Europe and currently, it is undertaking a modernization plan of $160 billion whereby it will increase its military power from all dimensions (Land, Air, Sea, and Space).

Here's the current state of Turkish Military prowess that is in the process of being further transformed...


LAND FORCES

Standing Army: 315,000 (largest in mainland Europe)

Tanks: 3,657 (more than any other European power)
Armored Fighting Vehicles: 8,532 (same as above!)
Self-Propelled Guns: 961 (Most in Europe)
Towed-Artillery: 2,152 (Most in Europe!)
Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems: 646 (Most in Europe)

Further Up-gradation in current firepower of land forces

> Development and deployment of new type of tank called Altay. One of the most sophisticated tank ever build by any nation..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/tr/e/eb/Altay_Tank.jpg

> Upgrade of current Leopard A4 latest German tanks in Turkish fleet to a whole new level of Leopard NG (Next Generation)

http://defence.pk/attachments/1-jpg.190894/

(Left one is upgraded one. Right one is normal one).

Here are the details of upgrades that go into Leopard NG

www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7RpJvZQb5U#t=472

> Construction of numerous types of advance armored personnel carriers (APCs), New mobile artillery guns, and deployment of advance indigenous attack helicopters

http://galeri2.uludagsozluk.com/208/atak-t-129_327149.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3174/45915236302559373726034.jpg

> Replacement of old rifles with new, advance battle rifles for the infantry soldiers

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/cabatli53/yi-20110318-kirikkale-55-mkek.jpg

AIR POWER

Personnel: 60,000 (largest in Europe)

Advance F-16 C/D block 52: 236
AWACS systems: 3

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/159/5/c/turkish_air_force_f_16_block_by_keremizmir-d3ie6dy.jpg

http://cdn.trend.az/pictures/2011/08/23/Turkish_Air_Force.jpg

Contract for 100 new F-35B/Cs from the United States, and own indigenous program for fifth generation fighter jet named T-FX.

New weapon-systems being developed. For example, SOM missile system being developed that can strike targets 250km away..

NAVAL POWER

Turkey has fourth most powerful navy in Europe with 16 frigates, 8 corvettes, 14 submarines, 27 missile boats, 22 patrol boats, 20 mine countermeasures vessels, and 5 landing ships

Turkey's upgradation of navy involves new submarines, indigenous frigates and missile ships, and most important is Turkish program of LHD that will give Turkish navy the capability to project power thousands of miles away from their own waters.

http://www.rmkmarine.com/UPLOAD/projects/askeri/havuzlu-cikarma-gemisi/1.jpg

Turkey plans to deploy F-35Bs on these massive ships that can reach the shores of any nation in the Mediterranean and beyond.

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I have touched very few details of Turkish military build up, but you get the idea.

Turkey is rising as a military behemoth in Europe. It is already the largest military power of mainland Europe. With modernization of Turkish military completely, Turkey will be a greater military power than all of Europe except may be U.K (and France cuz of Nuclear weapons).

In retrospect, this is very important development for maintaining peace in Europe.

Here's why

With the budding of neo-nazis, anti-Muslim sentiment is increasing. There are 30+ million Muslims in mainland Europe. By 2030, there'd be near 40 million Muslims in mainland Europe (near 60 million if Russia included). I expect Europe to go to the right, but Turkey's presence will make sure that things don't blow up.

Jewish people had no teeth..look what ultra right of Europe did to them. Islamic Peoples, on the other hand, are a global people and a global civilization with an history of remaining military and economic superpowers of/around the world for ~1000 years! Now, Islamic Civilization has spread to every corner of Earth and has established itself physically in the heart of Europe! This, offcourse, creates some trouble--as globalization has created everywhere. But the ultra-right of Europe is trying to exploit this sentiment to come back to power and will not mind genocide of minorities across Europe (Muslims specially) if that fulfills the purpose.

We must not let rightist european neo-nazis to commit a holocaust of Muslims of Europe (God forbid) as this will mark the end of humanity as we know it, since it will turn into a global war in a nuclear age. A massive Turkish military presence on European mainland will make sure that any punny neo-nazi wanna be's don't think about mass genocide of Muslims, since they'll have to face the wrath of Turks.

PS, poor jews were like 0.06% of Germany..less 1.3% of whole Europe...There are 45 million Muslims already and, in coming decades, 10% of Europe would be Muslims. Doing a genocide against 10% of your own population is nothing but complete economic, cultural, and social suicide...so Turkey's presence will ensure stability in Europe as well.

Next 20, 30 years are important. By 2040, Islamic Civilization would be integrated fully with Europe and will become an inevitable part of Europe--with tens of millions of Muslim Europeans across Europe, thousands of mosques, halal food places, hijabs on European universities, and so on (this process is already there. But needs consolidation). By this time, hopefully, Islamic extremism would have died down as well.

So ultra-right has next two decades to exploit people's emotions/fears and come to power...but with Turkish military present---ultra-right would not be able to complete its goals.

Therefore, Turkish's military buildup is something that is really important for peace and stability in entire region.

JonathanRhimes
02-07-2015, 10:59 PM
Careful, your global domination fantasy is showing.

What is the model supposed to be? Turkey tries to invade nuclear EU with fancy tanks, and would expect to not be nuked in exchange?

Ruban90
02-07-2015, 11:01 PM
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GreatOldOne
02-08-2015, 12:12 AM
There's not going to be a Muslim holocaust.

Everybody take a deep breath.

We've come way to far to do that kind of bullchit.

brrealtea
02-08-2015, 12:35 AM
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'murica

FP7
02-08-2015, 01:42 AM
You fukks cant/wont even defend west bank muslims, yet you'll protect muslims from EVERY european nation?

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 02:54 AM
Careful, your global domination fantasy is showing.

lol, wut? Did you even read my post?

I do not believe in any religion. I believe that slowly, entire humanity would be integrated into ONE. And the future of mankind is in space..and man will endeavor in deep space as a single-unit civilization---not that is divided on petty things.

I see Islamic Civilization---which has already established itself in Western heartlands---to get integrated with West. Religion will lose its appeal with time.

I am all for global integration and going towards one human civilization. What is wrong with that?


What is the model supposed to be? Turkey tries to invade nuclear EU with fancy tanks, and would expect to not be nuked in exchange?

lol, Turkey is part of NATO. It won't invade anything. However, if, say, ultra right in Europe wanted to do a Muslim holocaust...they won't be able to do so...because, along with rest of the world, a gigantic Muslim Western force...the Turkish Military..would be standing right on their heads to beat them down to oblivion before they even take one step towards practical annihilation of European minorities (Muslims in this case).

Turkey will just prevent another Hitler/Mussolini from rising in Europe.

Imagine if Germany was neighbored by a powerful Jewish state with an armed-to-teeth standing military....You think Hitler would have still killed 6 million Jews? Nopes, it would have been all over pretty soon.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 02:57 AM
There's not going to be a Muslim holocaust.

Everybody take a deep breath.

We've come way to far to do that kind of bullchit.

All power to you bruh..

But even HERE, on this very forum, I have seem people just mentally masturbating about a mass Muslim forced expulsion from Europe or straight up a Muslim genocide.

Racists/bigoted/evil people are in every age. We must be always ready.

Gigantic build up of Turkish Military Forces is a step in right direction. It keeps peace in the Western world and keeps the evils of West to their knees.

Another Hitler would just destroy Europe completely.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 03:01 AM
You fukks cant/wont even defend west bank muslims, yet you'll protect muslims from EVERY european nation?

What you mean by "we"?

I am an American!

Moreover, its not Turkey's job to protect Muslims of West Bank..

However, if some European power rises and starts to mass murder Muslims *just because they are Muslim*....then guess what? Turkey would be the first nation to get involved...since it is the largest Muslim nation of NATO.

Israel and Palestine is a political dispute. Israel isn't mass murder Palestinians just because they are 'Muslim'...Israel massacres have different geographical and political reasons.

The day Israel declares war on Islam/Muslims as whole...it will be annihilated faster than a hot knife cuts through warm butter.

Everybody knows that.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 03:03 AM
XT5jo7aZzTw


'murica

America and Turkey are like bestest buddies.

Turkey is one of our main partner in F-35 jet program and we have our nukes stationed under the command of Turkish Air Force.

If any fascist/crazy government rises in Europe..who is hell bound to kill Muslim Europeans on racial/religious basis...just like Hitler...then we should use our nuclear artillery shown in the video against that government!

10centCEO
02-08-2015, 03:06 AM
LOL. This thread is a damned joke. All based on some delusional theory about a new-age Hitler rising to power in the secular, liberal Europe. Good joke, crackpot.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 03:12 AM
LOL. This thread is a damned joke. All based on some delusional theory about a new-age Hitler rising to power in the secular, liberal Europe. Good joke, crackpot.

Its not a joke. This thread is about the rise of Turkey's military capability and how it will help in stabilizing peace in Europe and will PREVENT another Hitler/holocaust/mass genocide from happening.

10centCEO
02-08-2015, 03:20 AM
Its not a joke. This thread is about the rise of Turkey's military capability and how it will help in stabilizing peace in Europe and will PREVENT another Hitler/holocaust/mass genocide from happening.

Turkey isn't preventing anything from happening in Europe. If you think there's even a remote chance of any kind of fascist leader or holocaust happening again in Europe, then you're just proving how deluded your world views really are. Europeans wanting a change to their immigration laws (via their right to self-determination) =/= Hitler. Get your head out of your ass. If anything, an actual Jewish holocaust would have a greater chance at happening thanks to Muslim antisemitism flooding their borders.

Finally, military and defense budgets continuously change from nation-to-nation. It's expected by analysts that over the coming years European states will be pouring more money into their defense budgets, especially in light of the recent Ukrainian conflict.

ArmUndKrank
02-08-2015, 03:29 AM
such a delusional thread. who makes up the majority of usa military? there would be military coup before american whites kill european whites for turkey and islam.

SiegetankIV
02-08-2015, 03:34 AM
America and Turkey are like bestest buddies.

Turkey is one of our main partner in F-35 jet program and we have our nukes stationed under the command of Turkish Air Force.

If any fascist/crazy government rises in Europe..who is hell bound to kill Muslim Europeans on racial/religious basis...just like Hitler...then we should use our nuclear artillery shown in the video against that government!
The US WAS best buddies with the kemalist Turkey of the past, a nation that embraced secularism and western ideals.
Erdogans poverty neo-ottoman empire... not so much a best buddy but rather an ally of necessity and convinience.

Imo what you described as "holocaust" isn't a very likely scenario to happen to muslims in Europe (they are not EUROPEAN muslims as a European version of islam doesn't exist, or only in a very marginal and non dogmatic form) if by holocaust you mean what happened to the jews: Complete and utter destruction of their RACE. This is impossible as islam is no race and you can actively choose not to partake.

A much more likely scenario is that Muslims in Europe and non-Muslims will enter a spirale of escalation. You are right, number of muslims is increasing but so is the number of radical muslims. Reasons may be that they do not feel welcome in Europe, or marginalized or what not. Some of their complains may even be valid as most Europeans have some reservations towards islam. But generaly speaking: with their numbers increasing so will their notoriety.
Following the principle of newtonian physics "Actio Reactio", this will increase resentment/fear on the European side, which will in turn increase radicalisation. That in turn will again help radicalise other muslims and so one and so forth.

Depending on which point in time the powder kegg explodes we will see either civil war as a result (if by that point muslims have become a sizeble part of European population), which will leave destruction in his wake. Or we will see more repressive laws and muslim communities in Europe will be treated like in the former soviet union.

I personally would prefer the latter, but observing current events I fear we will see the first still in our lifetimes.


EDIT:

Its not a joke. This thread is about the rise of Turkey's military capability and how it will help in stabilizing peace in Europe and will PREVENT another Hitler/holocaust/mass genocide from happening.
OK forget what I said, you are clearly delusional or a brainwashed Erdogan fanboy.
Turkey meddling again in Balkan affairs... not going to stabilize Europe.
Turkey meddling in Central/Western European Affairs? Delusional as its not going to happen.
Even at its peak the Ottoman Empire could only reach the borders of central Europe and was repelled by an alliance of two kings who's countries were still deeply feudal.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 03:42 AM
such a delusional thread. who makes up the majority of usa military? there would be military coup before american whites kill european whites for turkey and islam.

Dear **********er,

What coup was there when American whites mass murdered European whites to save Jews? lol

It is NOT about saving Jews or anything.

It is about STOPPING a fascist hegemon from rising in Europe.

American military will bomb the living hell out of Europe to stop a European fascist hegemon from rising up. You can write that on paper.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 03:48 AM
@SiegetankIV

What, according to you, amounts a 'significant minority' level?

Muslims are around 7% of over-all European population. In some major European nations, number is around 5% to 10%....

In all major industrial, economic, and political capitals of Europe..Muslims are around 8% to 12% (sometimes even higher)...

So are Muslims significant minority in Europe today?

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 03:51 AM
Finally, military and defense budgets continuously change from nation-to-nation. It's expected by analysts that over the coming years European states will be pouring more money into their defense budgets, especially in light of the recent Ukrainian conflict.

I know that.

But in order to increase your military from 150,000 to 1 million...you need many years. Almost a decade in today's world. Its not an over-night process.

All European powers have maintained small militaries...while Turkey has maintained a large standing military and is only increasing its military funding, research, and weapons capability.

No matter what, Turkey will remain one of the three, four strongest military powers of Europe...

SiegetankIV
02-08-2015, 03:58 AM
@SiegetankIV

What, according to you, amounts a 'significant minority' level?

Muslims are around 7% of over-all European population. In some major European nations, number is around 5% to 10%....

In all major industrial, economic, and political capitals of Europe..Muslims are around 8% to 12% (sometimes even higher)...

So are Muslims significant minority in Europe today?
significant for what?
Significant to be called European muslims? NO. As i said a European islam has nothing to do with the location where it is practiced, rather if it is embedded in the structural frame of European/Western values. Most muslims in Europe practice what I would consider a north african/arabian islam.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 04:05 AM
significant for what?
Significant to be called European muslims? NO. As i said a European islam has nothing to do with the location where it is practiced, rather if it is embedded in the structural frame of European/Western values. Most muslims in Europe practice what I would consider a north african/arabian islam.

I was referring to your this line

"Depending on which point in time the powder kegg explodes we will see either civil war as a result (if by that point muslims have become a sizeble part of European population)"

So what percentage of population will you count as "sizable part of European population"?

Also, Islam is Islam...its not like christianity where you'll have different kinds of christianity, different bibles, different doctrines..practically different religions lol..

Islam, globally, share same values, cultural principles, same exact text, and so on. Offcourse interpretations differ.

I imagine European Muslims' practice of Islam to be more relax, spiritual, and cultural...while someone living in Gaza might practice Islam as a form of social justice or focus too much on Islamic passages talking about Justice and equality etc. You know what I'm sayin?

Other than that, what exactly you mean by European Islam?

Spartan5364
02-08-2015, 04:14 AM
your earlier posts are enough evidence to show you are delusional but this one might take the cake.
If you think Turkey will rush to help European muslims when the masses over there finally awaken you are truly a lost cause.
Turkey has/had ISIL wreaking havoc all around its border and within its borders as well and didn't do a single thing.
There was also a time when the EU were entertaining the idea of Turkey being within the EU itself but now the people of Europe have rejected the idea and are actually distancing themselves from Turkey.

lmao if you think turkey has anything to say about anything in european politics. just lmao

TheFassbender
02-08-2015, 04:35 AM
Good news for European defence companies who make all of their stuff. Turkey can't really produce anything themselves. And the "Western masses" have nothing to fear from Turkey, lmao. Thanks for the money though, Turkey doesn't have a lot of it but insists on giving so much to European weapon makers.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 04:37 AM
your earlier posts are enough evidence to show you are delusional but this one might take the cake.
If you think Turkey will rush to help European muslims when the masses over there finally awaken you are truly a lost cause.
Turkey has/had ISIL wreaking havoc all around its border and within its borders as well and didn't do a single thing.
There was also a time when the EU were entertaining the idea of Turkey being within the EU itself but now the people of Europe have rejected the idea and are actually distancing themselves from Turkey.

lmao if you think turkey has anything to say about anything in european politics. just lmao

So you think another Hitler will rise in Europe..will plan to annihilate all Muslims/Turks..will openly announce it...would start mass murdering Turks in Germany (and Muslims in General)...and Turkey would not do anything and just sit idle until that Hitler conquers entire Europe and reaches Turkey?

LMFAO.

People like you wish...oh just so wish..that Europe is over-taken by fascists and Muslims are mass deported or killed.

Pathetic and inhumane.

Turkish Military can take on any European nation and beat it to pulp (baring France/Germany/U.K)...and with all the modernization going on...Turkish military will only become stronger.

Sakeoe
02-08-2015, 04:40 AM
Yet they still need our patriots to defend their airspace

lol great military brah.


So you think another Hitler will rise in Europe..will plan to annihilate all Muslims/Turks..will openly announce it...would start mass murdering Turks in Germany (and Muslims in General)...and Turkey would not do anything and just sit idle until that Hitler conquers entire Europe and reaches Turkey?

LMFAO.

People like you wish...oh just so wish..that Europe is over-taken by fascists and Muslims are mass deported or killed.

Pathetic and inhumane.

Turkish Military can take on any European nation and beat it to pulp (baring France/Germany/U.K)...and with all the modernization going on...Turkish military will only become stronger.
lol at thinking Turkey wouldn't get annihilated by any proper Western country in a war.

Although I wouldn't mind if they beat back Greece into line.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 04:40 AM
Good news for European defence companies who make all of their stuff. Turkey can't really produce anything themselves. And the "Western masses" have nothing to fear from Turkey, lmao. Thanks for the free money though, Turkey doesn't have a lot of it but insists on giving so much to European weapon makers.

LMFAO.

Yeah,

Altay Tank, T-155 artillery, Stand-off Missile (SOM), T-129 attack helicopter, T-155 Panter field artillery gun, MPT-76 assault rifles, ANKA-B MALE UAV, and all other such goodies are produced by "Europe" and not Turkish companies, eh?

Swallow it.

Turkish Defence Industries are maturing and you will see more and more indigenous weapon-systems coming out of Turkey.

And European masses don't have to worry Turkey. Only neo-nazi government who wants to eliminate all European Muslims/Turks have to.

Spartan5364
02-08-2015, 04:42 AM
So you think another Hitler will rise in Europe..will plan to annihilate all Muslims/Turks..will openly announce it...would start mass murdering Turks in Germany (and Muslims in General)...and Turkey would not do anything and just sit idle until that Hitler conquers entire Europe and reaches Turkey?

LMFAO.

People like you wish...oh just so wish..that Europe is over-taken by fascists and Muslims are mass deported or killed.

Pathetic and inhumane.

Turkish Military can take on any European nation and beat it to pulp (baring France/Germany/U.K)...and with all the modernization going on...Turkish military will only become stronger.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/

turkeys military is weaker than the US, Germany, UK or France individually.
Not to mention the combined strength of the EU ... they are a bug that would be squashed.

and thats assuming that turks would even want to try to do anything which they never would.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 04:42 AM
Yet they still need our patriots to defend their airspace

lol great military brah.


lol at thinking Turkey wouldn't get annihilated by any proper Western country in a war.

Although I wouldn't mind if they beat back Greece into line.

Its not "your" Patriot bruh...Its American.

Turkey will swallow Netherland alive in one-to-one... lolololol...

You dispute the fact that Turkey is one of the most powerful military of Europe?

TheFassbender
02-08-2015, 04:43 AM
LMFAO.

Yeah,

Altay Tank, T-155 artillery, Stand-off Missile (SOM), T-129 attack helicopter, T-155 Panter field artillery gun, MPT-76 assault rifles, ANKA-B MALE UAV, and all other such goodies are produced by "Europe" and not Turkish companies, eh?

Swallow it.

Turkish Defence Industries are maturing and you will see more and more indigenous weapon-systems coming out of Turkey.

And European masses don't have to worry Turkey. Only neo-nazi government who wants to eliminate all European Muslims/Turks have to.

Which Neo Nazi government are you talking about? If a party like the Front National comes to power and decides to deport Muslims there is absolutely nothing Turkey can do about it. Don't forget that Russia is aligned with most of these right wing European parties, I'm sure Russia would love a chance to control the Bosphorous. Turkey has a smaller economy than the Netherlands, lul.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 04:45 AM
http://www.globalfirepower.com/

turkeys military is weaker than the US, Germany, UK or France individually.
Not to mention the combined strength of the EU ... they are a bug that would be squashed.

and thats assuming that turks would even want to try to do anything which they never would.

LMFAO.

What makes you think that U.S will side with fascist power of Europe hell bent on destroying innocent Muslims? I don't remember U.S siding with Hitler, do you?

Also, what makes you think U.K will side with fascist mainland European power?

Your "combined" EU would be a joke infront of Turkish-U.S alliance, if there ever a need of such alliance arose.

Lastly, global firepower isn't a good source though...

Spartan5364
02-08-2015, 04:48 AM
LMFAO.

What makes you think that U.S will side with fascist power of Europe hell bent on destroying innocent Muslims? I don't remember U.S siding with Hitler, do you?

Also, what makes you think U.K will side with fascist mainland European power?

Your "combined" EU would be a joke infront of Turkish-U.S alliance, if there ever a need of such alliance arose.

Lastly, global firepower isn't a good source though...

US-Turkey alliance against Europe
this will happen surely.. an educated man with a dissertation on the misc said so
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130806122705/glee/images/6/6f/28468-Taylor-swift-lol-gif-OMBg.gif

I don't think youve been following western-turkey relations very closely lately

dumb troll, you spend 10x the time I did posting your essays, you think you're trolling? lmao

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 04:50 AM
Which Neo Nazi government are you talking about? If a party like the Front National comes to power and decides to deport Muslims there is absolutely nothing Turkey can do about it. Don't forget that Russia is aligned with most of these right wing European parties, I'm sure Russia would love a chance to control the Bosphorous. Turkey has a smaller economy than the Netherlands, lul.

National Front can't deport French citizens who were born and raised in France. Just because they are Muslim, they don't become less French.

Also, mass forced deportation is illegal under International norms and it is extreme form of violence.

Lastly, good luck to Russia defeating Turkish Naval strength in black sea and facing the U.S naval power at Bosporus.

Talk about being ultra delusional right-winger...LAWL.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 04:51 AM
US-Turkey alliance against Europe
http://www.nocturnar.com/forum/attachments/perfiles/27000d1337456629-lol-gif-jim_carey_lol_gif.gif

I don't think youve been following western-turkey relations very closely lately

You missed the critical part.

Turkish-U.S alliance against fascist Europe hell bent on minority destruction and world domination through racial purity.

You think U.S standing upto such Europe is a far fetched idea?

LMFAO.

TheFassbender
02-08-2015, 04:53 AM
US-Turkey alliance against Europe
this will happen surely.. an educated man with a dissertation on the misc said so
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130806122705/glee/images/6/6f/28468-Taylor-swift-lol-gif-OMBg.gif

I don't think youve been following western-turkey relations very closely lately

dumb troll, you spend 10x the time I did posting your essays, you think you're trolling? lmao

Don't forget how Turkey desperately wants into the EU and are delusional enough to think that we will one day let them, lul. They won't do anything to mess up their chances which are non existent anyway.

Chowboy
02-08-2015, 05:25 AM
All that cool hardware. Hmmm.


Trouble is, if the Turks don't behave themselves, spare parts will become very much unavailable. Then, they'll just sit in the sand and become useless.


Ask the Iranians what happened to their F-14s

Igmann
02-08-2015, 05:36 AM
Pretty obvious the OP is a Turk who has a fantasy about his nation being relevant on the global scene.


lol, Turkey is part of NATO. It won't invade anything. However, if, say, ultra right in Europe wanted to do a Muslim holocaust...they won't be able to do so...because, along with rest of the world, a gigantic Muslim Western force...the Turkish Military..would be standing right on their heads to beat them down to oblivion before they even take one step towards practical annihilation of European minorities (Muslims in this case).

Turkey will just prevent another Hitler/Mussolini from rising in Europe.

Imagine if Germany was neighbored by a powerful Jewish state with an armed-to-teeth standing military....You think Hitler would have still killed 6 million Jews? Nopes, it would have been all over pretty soon.

Turkey does not spend 10% of what the UK, Germany, France and Italy spend cumulatively on their fighting forces. Secondly, even if it did, it still could not beat Europeans on their own land since, let's face it, the Turks suck at war unless they are outnumbering their enemy 20 to 1.

If another Hitler/Mussolini rose to get rid of the Muslims, Turkey wouldn't do sh*t, the same way it didn't do sh*t in the Balkans during the 1990s against what would have been a much weaker Serbian opposition.

flairon
02-08-2015, 05:43 AM
All power to you bruh..

But even HERE, on this very forum, I have seem people just mentally masturbating about a mass Muslim forced expulsion from Europe or straight up a Muslim genocide.

Racists/bigoted/evil people are in every age. We must be always ready.

Gigantic build up of Turkish Military Forces is a step in right direction. It keeps peace in the Western world and keeps the evils of West to their knees.

Another Hitler would just destroy Europe completely.

puhlease. Big whoop...you're using u.s. tech from 2 decades ago. Congrats. Don't get cocky or we'll find wmd's in turkey next week and be spreading freedom in turkey by the middle of march

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 05:44 AM
Pretty obvious the OP is a Turk who has a fantasy about his nation being relevant on the global scene.



Turkey does not spend 10% of what the UK, Germany, France and Italy spend cumulatively on their fighting forces. Secondly, even if it did, it still could not beat Europeans on their own land since, let's face it, the Turks suck at war unless they are outnumbering their enemy 20 to 1.

If another Hitler/Mussolini rose to get rid of the Muslims, Turkey wouldn't do sh*t, the same way it didn't do sh*t in the Balkans during the 1990s against what would have been a much weaker Serbian opposition.

I am not a Turk.

An America with Irish background.

Rest of your post is useless gibberish trying to troll me since you believed I'm a turk.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say.

Fedex01
02-08-2015, 05:45 AM
puhlease. Big whoop...you're using u.s. tech from 2 decades ago. Congrats. Don't get cocky or we'll find wmd's in turkey next week and be spreading freedom in turkey by the middle of march

I am an American myself.

And we aren't talking about America vs Turkey here.

Relax.

Igmann
02-08-2015, 05:47 AM
I am not a Turk.

An America with Irish background.

Rest of your post is useless gibberish trying to troll me since you believed I'm a turk.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say.

Turk's gonna Turk. Post a face pic next to a card that has your name written on it.

The rest of my post is a dose of reality.

Sakeoe
02-08-2015, 05:51 AM
I am not a Turk.

An America with Irish background.

Rest of your post is useless gibberish trying to troll me since you believed I'm a turk.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say.
So all you do is make nationalist Turkish posts, but you are too ashamed to actually admit your ancestry?

TheFassbender
02-08-2015, 05:52 AM
I am not a Turk.

An America with Irish background.

Rest of your post is useless gibberish trying to troll me since you believed I'm a turk.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say.

LOL

A white American whose only posts are shilling for Muslims and Muslim countries

Very believable.

Igmann
02-08-2015, 05:58 AM
So all you do is make nationalist Turkish posts,

That was pretty much the dead giveaway. There's nothing wrong if he is a Turk, just don't come on here and pose as an American.


but you are too ashamed to actually admit your ancestry?

It's not shame, it's deception.

http://houraney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Taqiyya.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5H1QooE.jpg

10centCEO
02-08-2015, 06:12 AM
I am not a Turk.

An America with Irish background.

Rest of your post is useless gibberish trying to troll me since you believed I'm a turk.

Come back when you have something worthwhile to say.

LOL'd. The compulsive liar RedHorizons strikes again. Your rhetoric and grammar virtually scream non-native English speaker. It's easy to tell the difference between somebody who is just bad at English, and somebody who isn't a native English speaker.

kratosbrah
02-08-2015, 06:43 AM
lol @ this retard fantasizing about some muslim holocaust where the glorious ottoman empire saves the day

**** out of here retard

AlKhas
02-08-2015, 06:47 AM
lol i hope there won't be a muslim holocaust in Europe or I'm ****ed




But then again, I doubt Scottish people would ever let that happen up here, so it would just be the rest of Europe in flames

flairon
02-08-2015, 06:48 AM
I am an American myself.

And we aren't talking about America vs Turkey here.

Relax.

I know lots of Americans who are turks

AlKhas
02-08-2015, 06:52 AM
I know lots of Americans who are turks
http://i.imgur.com/AaRYelm.jpg

Tekkendo
02-08-2015, 07:53 AM
Its not a joke. This thread is about the rise of Turkey's military capability and how it will help in stabilizing peace in Europe and will PREVENT another Hitler/holocaust/mass genocide from happening.

http://propeace00.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/5428546866_a482f6db4c_z.jpg
OP has been chewing on the loco weed too much.

Tekkendo
02-08-2015, 07:55 AM
That was pretty much the dead giveaway. There's nothing wrong if he is a Turk, just don't come on here and pose as an American.



It's not shame, it's deception.

http://houraney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Taqiyya.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5H1QooE.jpg

He also pimps and whores islam non stop while denying being a muslim.

Tekkendo
02-08-2015, 08:02 AM
lol i hope there won't be a muslim holocaust in Europe or I'm ****ed

But then again, I doubt Scottish people would ever let that happen up here, so it would just be the rest of Europe in flames

There IS a muslim holocaust going on next door to Turkey and Turks (the AKP Turks) have proven to be not only worthlessly impotent, but actually treacherously collaborate with the perpetrators to murder muslims wholesale.

kratosbrah
02-08-2015, 08:03 AM
There IS a muslim holocaust going on next door to Turkey and Turks have proven to be not only worthlessly impotent, but actually collaborate with the perpetrators to murder muslims.

You people talk endless shiete but can never walk the walk.

lol

and let's not forget that turkey's probably killed more muslims than europe combined

ZenBowman
02-08-2015, 08:35 AM
No personal attacks, negs will commence if they don't stop.

OP, I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you are being earnest.

Two points.

First, there is not going to be any Muslim holocaust in Western Europe. That is just a fantasy in the minds of a handful of hatemongers. Might we see some countries adopt reduced immigration policies? Sure, but that is not a holocaust. Even reduced immigration might be botched as the people proposing it will inevitably reveal themselves as a far-right NN group, and that is not likely to go over well (it is very unlike Japanese style rational, respectful, conservatism will rise in Europe, even though it might be good if it did).

Second, if you want to see universal brotherhood, then Erdogan is not your ally. He has backed some of the most violent and hateful groups in Syria and the Levant - groups that make the Front National look like heaven's angels by comparison. He has transformed Turkey from a near-European secular democracy to a theocratic Middle Eastern fiefdom. He has allowed the persecution of Christian and other religious minorities to continue and flourish.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2014/11/27/which-way-will-turkey-turn/

I too would like to see a world where religious and ethnic minorities are protected. But if you want that world, then you need to realize that Erdogan and Marine Le Pen are on the same side - the side of the "tyranny of the majority". They are both a threat to peace, and a threat to that vision.

AlKhas
02-08-2015, 09:32 AM
There IS a muslim holocaust going on next door to Turkey and Turks (the AKP Turks) have proven to be not only worthlessly impotent, but actually treacherously collaborate with the perpetrators to murder muslims wholesale.

I said in Europe. And what holocaust? The one by Assad?

AlKhas
02-08-2015, 09:35 AM
No personal attacks, negs will commence if they don't stop.

OP, I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you are being earnest.

Two points.

First, there is not going to be any Muslim holocaust in Western Europe. That is just a fantasy in the minds of a handful of hatemongers. Might we see some countries adopt reduced immigration policies? Sure, but that is not a holocaust. Even reduced immigration might be botched as the people proposing it will inevitably reveal themselves as a far-right NN group, and that is not likely to go over well (it is very unlike Japanese style rational, respectful, conservatism will rise in Europe, even though it might be good if it did).

Second, if you want to see universal brotherhood, then Erdogan is not your ally. He has backed some of the most violent and hateful groups in Syria and the Levant - groups that make the Front National look like heaven's angels by comparison. He has transformed Turkey from a near-European secular democracy to a theocratic Middle Eastern fiefdom. He has allowed the persecution of Christian and other religious minorities to continue and flourish.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2014/11/27/which-way-will-turkey-turn/

I too would like to see a world where religious and ethnic minorities are protected. But if you want that world, then you need to realize that Erdogan and Marine Le Pen are on the same side - the side of the "tyranny of the majority". They are both a threat to peace, and a threat to that vision.

Aren't Syria and the Levant the same thing?

I bet you support a military coup of a democratically elected leader in Turkey

Bullroarer
02-08-2015, 10:08 AM
Second, if you want to see universal brotherhood, then Erdogan is not your ally. He has backed some of the most violent and hateful groups in Syria and the Levant - groups that make the Front National look like heaven's angels by comparison. He has transformed Turkey from a near-European secular democracy to a theocratic Middle Eastern fiefdom. He has allowed the persecution of Christian and other religious minorities to continue and flourish.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2014/11/27/which-way-will-turkey-turn/

I too would like to see a world where religious and ethnic minorities are protected. But if you want that world, then you need to realize that Erdogan and Marine Le Pen are on the same side - the side of the "tyranny of the majority". They are both a threat to peace, and a threat to that vision.

Seriously. Erdogan is the big story that no one in the west is talking about. He's another Putin, massively corrupt autocrat subverting democracy, turning back the clock on his country's politics and setting it up to be an antagonist to their former western allies. It's like watching a train wreck happen under everyone's noses.

AlKhas
02-08-2015, 10:12 AM
Seriously. Erdogan is the big story that no one in the west is talking about. He's another Putin, massively corrupt autocrat subverting democracy, turning back the clock on his country's politics and setting it up to be an antagonist to their former western allies. It's like watching a train wreck happen under everyone's noses.

So unless he's your little bitch, he has to be removed?

Bullroarer
02-08-2015, 10:16 AM
Aren't Syria and the Levant the same thing?

I bet you support a military coup of a democratically elected leader in Turkey

When the government shuts off the electricity to entire regions of the country that could be expected not to vote for the incumbent, and blames it on cats overrunning their electrical plants, not to mention truckloads of votes turning up missing, and he still only manages to eke out a 51% victory, then he wasn't democratically elected.

ZenBowman
02-08-2015, 10:18 AM
Seriously. Erdogan is the big story that no one in the west is talking about. He's another Putin, massively corrupt autocrat subverting democracy, turning back the clock on his country's politics and setting it up to be an antagonist to their former western allies. It's like watching a train wreck happen under everyone's noses.

Absolutely, and they have an entire army of propagandists to keep their people in the dark. This kind of total state control of the media is exactly what we see in many Middle Eastern theocracies, and it is a sad step backwards for Turkey.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/12/09/army-of-spin-turkey-media-erdogan/

Bullroarer
02-08-2015, 10:20 AM
So unless he's your little bitch, he has to be removed?

Nah, it's no skin off my back if the Turks want to go back to being slaves like they were under the sultans, and watch their country join the likes of Russia as opponents of the West. We'll keep going from strength to strength while they recede into the Third World. There's no reason to feel bad for or worry about people like the Turks or Russians, who love slavery and even seem to be proud of it.

Tekkendo
02-08-2015, 10:28 AM
A military coup in Turkey would be a blessing. Exactly what Turkey needs. Turkey needs an Al Sisi. Al Sisi is a devout muslim. Savior of Egypt. The muslim world needs more sane muslims like Al Sisi, and the rulers of UAE, Oman, and Jordan. Enlightened and educated muslims.

Bullroarer
02-08-2015, 10:41 AM
A military coup in Turkey would be a blessing. Exactly what Turkey needs. Turkey needs an Al Sisi. Al Sisi is a devout muslim. Savior of Egypt. The muslim world needs more sane muslims like Al Sisi, and the rulers of UAE, Oman, and Jordan. Enlightened and educated muslims.

No longer possible. Erdogan gutted their officer corps on blatantly false treason charges, and they were Turkish secularism's last bulwark. Good night, sweet Ataturk.

Sakeoe
02-08-2015, 10:44 AM
A military coup in Turkey would be a blessing. Exactly what Turkey needs. Turkey needs an Al Sisi. Al Sisi is a devout muslim. Savior of Egypt. The muslim world needs more sane muslims like Al Sisi, and the rulers of UAE, Oman, and Jordan. Enlightened and educated muslims.
This, fck democracy, rights and freedom.

The Turkish flag is red, has a star on it and the moon can go for a sickle. Just need to slap a hammer on it and its perfect right Tekkendo?

Tekkendo
02-08-2015, 10:47 AM
This, fck democracy, rights and freedom.

The Turkish flag is red, has a star on it and the moon can go for a sickle. Just need to slap a hammer on it and its perfect right Tekkendo?

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--isWYwmTH--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/jdklzx1ou9vufgq0nwo3.jpg

Don't jizz your pant.

RIKTER
02-08-2015, 11:01 AM
Careful, your global domination fantasy is showing.

What is the model supposed to be? Turkey tries to invade nuclear EU with fancy tanks, and would expect to not be nuked in exchange?

LOl nuked...eventually muslim populations in many european countries will be big enough to have enough muslim politicians within their govts to have a say if nukes, etc get used or not..and make no mistake, these people are muslims first, before they are french, etc for example...europe is already in the middle of a soft invasion, much like America.

ArmUndKrank
02-08-2015, 11:28 AM
LOl nuked...eventually muslim populations in many european countries will be big enough to have enough muslim politicians within their govts to have a say if nukes, etc get used or not..and make no mistake, these people are muslims first, before they are french, etc for example...europe is already in the middle of a soft invasion, much like America.
they can be interned for suspicion of fifth columnism. many are confirmed fifth column anyway. no one will stop it.

Tekkendo
02-08-2015, 12:00 PM
No longer possible. Erdogan gutted their officer corps on blatantly false treason charges, and they were Turkish secularism's last bulwark. Good night, sweet Ataturk.

More empirical evidence that radical islamists are like HIV virus. Must keep the viral count low in order to prevent systemic infection.

letschatnow2
02-08-2015, 12:26 PM
You fukks cant/wont even defend west bank muslims, yet you'll protect muslims from EVERY european nation?
This is a great point

Short of Turks being directly mistreated like Russians in Ukraine, Turkey will not do anything

BadMonkeyFunker
02-08-2015, 12:37 PM
LOL... Turks want nothing to do with EU or muslims in EU... or muslims anywhere else.
Go ask your average Turk on the street what he/she thinks about helping/sheltering/taking in 2+Million syrians.

It's erdogan who thinks he can become the next sultan and get all muslims under his flag. Turkey needs another Ataturk. Get rid of all neo-islam right wing fuktards all together. Close the borders, get rid of terrorist kurds and islamtards once and for all.

Shortfuze
02-08-2015, 04:04 PM
Before Turkey has a chance of fighting on behalf of other Muslims in the world, it will first experience massive social upheaval and possibly civil war between Islamists and secularists.

Fedex01
02-09-2015, 03:18 AM
Turkey does not spend 10% of what the UK, Germany, France and Italy spend cumulatively on their fighting forces.

Why are we taking cumulative budgets into account here?

Turkish Military will trash punny Italian military in ground and air wars.

On sea, Italians might do better.


If another Hitler/Mussolini rose to get rid of the Muslims, Turkey wouldn't do sh*t,

Not only Turkey, but a lot of other countries will do much more than just '****'....

Muslim Europeans are in tens of millions...getting rid of them will mean the civilizational suicide of Europe..

Also, Turkey is already the largest military in Europe. They can take care of say golden dawn ruled Greece trying to be a little hitler type..don't you think?



the same way it didn't do sh*t in the Balkans during the 1990s against what would have been a much weaker Serbian opposition.

It was a civil war with a lot of complexities. Serbs didn't only kill Muslims..

Moreover, even here, when Muslims were threatened due to INTERNAL issues of yugoslavia...Islamic Forces helped them in every way possible.

Pakistani intelligence shiped anti-tank weapons to Bosnians...

Tekkendo
02-09-2015, 07:33 AM
Why are we taking cumulative budgets into account here?

Turkish Military will trash punny Italian military in ground and air wars.

On sea, Italians might do better.



Not only Turkey, but a lot of other countries will do much more than just '****'....

Muslim Europeans are in tens of millions...getting rid of them will mean the civilizational suicide of Europe..

Also, Turkey is already the largest military in Europe. They can take care of say golden dawn ruled Greece trying to be a little hitler type..don't you think?




It was a civil war with a lot of complexities. Serbs didn't only kill Muslims..

Moreover, even here, when Muslims were threatened due to INTERNAL issues of yugoslavia...Islamic Forces helped them in every way possible.

Pakistani intelligence shiped anti-tank weapons to Bosnians...

Calling islamic forces!! Come in islamic forces! 200,000 muslims have been slaughtered in Syria. Hurry the f up!

Igmann
02-09-2015, 08:49 AM
Why are we taking cumulative budgets into account here?

Turkish Military will trash punny Italian military in ground and air wars.

Well of course we are taking cumulative budgets into account. You are a fool if you think that France and Germany would sit idle in a Turkish/Italian war. Any war in the main western European countries would bring the other countries into the conflict.



Not only Turkey, but a lot of other countries will do much more than just '****'....

They wouldn't do sh*t, same way they aren't doing sh*t to the Israelis. The Israelis defeated 14 of the most powerful Muslim countries in the region in just six days, face it, you suck at war.



Muslim Europeans are in tens of millions...getting rid of them will mean the civilizational suicide of Europe..

Europeans had no difficulty thriving in their own civilizations prior to Muslim immigration, they'll have no difficulty after it. 10s of millions means nothing when they're outnumbered by 100s of millions.



Also, Turkey is already the largest military in Europe. They can take care of say golden dawn ruled Greece trying to be a little hitler type..don't you think?

It's the largest military in Europe? By what measure? And why do you care about what Greece does?

And no, if your beloved country invaded Greece, you'd have the entire EU to start a war with. These aren't the times of the Ottoman Empire when you could bully small independent states with impunity. Now the continent is united.



It was a civil war with a lot of complexities. Serbs didn't only kill Muslims..

Moreover, even here, when Muslims were threatened due to INTERNAL issues of yugoslavia...Islamic Forces helped them in every way possible.

Pakistani intelligence shiped anti-tank weapons to Bosnians...

"Islamic forces" LOL, a couple hundred Jihadists came to the country, their role was minimal and after the war, the Bosnian government deported them because they were trying to bring Shariah law into the country.

In reality, it was actually the Germans, Slovenes and a few other Eastern European countries who donated the most to the Bosnian war effort. Turkey paid lip service but they did not deploy troops.


Calling islamic forces!! Come in islamic forces! 200,000 muslims have been slaughtered in Syria. Hurry the f up!

It only counts when a non-Muslim does the killing.

letschatnow2
02-09-2015, 11:24 AM
Muslim Europeans are in tens of millions...getting rid of them will mean the civilizational suicide of Europe..


No more doner kebabs!

Eastern European refugees would stroll in to replace them.

EmmaW4tson
02-10-2015, 06:26 AM
So let me get this straight.

Turkey is seen as a force to be reckoned with now? A country that isn't even European in nature or culture is in the EU now?

Greece couldn't be considered EU but its in there so i guess the term "European" is as slimey as Muslims calling other Muslims 'non-muslim' because they're more practical in their blowing up of others.


And also..LOL @ Turkey being a military super power. One thing I notice, non of those fancy weapons originated from Turkish engineering or know-how. They're peasants with big toys as far as the EU and US are concerned. And lets not forget how we, the Europeans exist because empires from the East failed time and again to conquer our lands.

We would annihilate that backwards country back into the stone age it came from.

You got fancy tanks? German and Challenger II tanks have experienced crews and abilities far beyond your goat-herding vehicles.

Germany could instantly resume a military super power by sheer industrial and scientific brilliance. Russia would open you a new ******* and the FSU states would make you wish you'd never set foot on their soil.

Turkey is good for keeping its borders in-check, nothing else.

p100
02-10-2015, 07:52 AM
Hnnnng Turkey.

Axman5000
02-10-2015, 08:00 AM
Pretty obvious the OP is a Turk who has a fantasy about his nation being relevant on the global scene.



Turkey does not spend 10% of what the UK, Germany, France and Italy spend cumulatively on their fighting forces. Secondly, even if it did, it still could not beat Europeans on their own land since, let's face it, the Turks suck at war unless they are outnumbering their enemy 20 to 1.

If another Hitler/Mussolini rose to get rid of the Muslims, Turkey wouldn't do sh*t, the same way it didn't do sh*t in the Balkans during the 1990s against what would have been a much weaker Serbian opposition.

Beat me to it.

Fedex01
02-14-2015, 03:03 AM
No more doner kebabs!

Eastern European refugees would stroll in to replace them.

Its not about kebabs, genius.

In a given culture, if 10% of population goes down in a very short period of time (war, natural disasters, epidemic etc...), that culture crumbles.

It doesn't mean that culture can't recover...but for the time being, it can not function as it used to.

"Replacement" takes decades, to say the least. In those decades, you will be left far behind by your competitors.

Fedex01
02-14-2015, 03:28 AM
Well of course we are taking cumulative budgets into account. You are a fool if you think that France and Germany would sit idle in a Turkish/Italian war.

If Mussilini type fascist dictator took power in Italy..and announced the return of glorious Roman days..and attacked Turkey...and a war follows between two nations...

What in the living hell makes you think that Germany and France (or UK) will back FASCISM instead of a conservative but secular country like Turkey?

lololol...

In one-on-one, Turkey will beat the living hell out of any European nation (except 2,3).


They wouldn't do sh*t, same way they aren't doing sh*t to the Israelis.

Israelis aren't openly eradicating Muslims and have announced a war whereby entire Muslim Middle-East needs to be "cleansed" from Muslims.

The day this happens, Israel won't exist no more...as entire world would stand against this barbarity.

Nobody gives a **** about Israel. The ONLY thing Muslim World cares about in Palestine is Dome of Rock/AlAqsa mosque..since it is holy in Islam. And these sites are already under Islamic sovereignty and Jews aren't allowed there lol..

Turks have more area of Europe under control (that they got by conquering it) than Israelis have in Middle-East, which they got by U.N vote btw..lol


The Israelis defeated 14 of the most powerful Muslim countries in the region in just six days, face it, you suck at war.

Israelis never defeated most powerful Muslim nations (Turkey, Pakistan etc). Get your basic facts correct.

PS, I am an American. We don't suck at war. Infact, we made Europeans surrender to our will and maintain our military bases across Europe even to this day. Deal with it.

Moreover, let me expose your ignorance.

Turks (and Islamic people in general) are one of the most successful civilization when it comes to military conquests and wars. Muslims have waged wars on the grandest and most successful rate in human history.

Have you, by any chance, read "Islam at war" written by prestigious military historians? The above words come directly from that book. But offcourse, YOU know more than experts of military history, eh? LMAO.

Try "reading" something before making a fool outa yourself..




Europeans had no difficulty thriving in their own civilizations prior to Muslim immigration, they'll have no difficulty after it. 10s of millions means nothing when they're outnumbered by 100s of millions.

This isn't a wrestling match, kid. ALL major industrial/social urban centers and political capitals of Western World (London, Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Amesterdam, Birmingham etc) have 10% to 15% of their population comprised of Muslim peoples. You think getting rid of 10% to 15% of population of ALL of your major industrial, political capitals will have no impact on Europe? LOL. It will burn Europe to ground, like in WW2.

Why do you want a fascist hitler type person to holocaust Muslim Europeans to begin with? Why this hate and obsession? Get laid, bruh.


It's the largest military in Europe? By what measure?

Turkish military is the largest in Europe by numbers, size, and weapon-systems available (most tanks, most artillery etc)...



"Islamic forces" LOL, a couple hundred Jihadists came to the country, their role was minimal and after the war, the Bosnian government deported them because they were trying to bring Shariah law into the country.


I talked about Pakistani intelligence's role in providing Muslims of Bosnia anti-tank missiles.

Any continent wide effort of Muslim holocaust will create massive unstability across Europe..and Muslim nations can exploit that by providing weapons/funding to Muslim insurgents in Europe...

Why do you want a holocaust of Muslims in Europe anyways? It will turn Europe into Congo...

Islamic Civilization has expanded and has physically established itself into European heartlands. Muslims and Islam are a part of Europe/West now. Tens of millions of Europeans across Europe are Muslims. There are tens of thousands of mosques, millions of girls in Hijab and millions more following Islamic dress code. Halal-food is mainstream. Muslim Europeans are contributing to European life as businessmen, innovators, doctors, engineers, celebrities, soccer players, journalists, property-dealers, and even porn-stars (yes!)!! Islam is part of Europe. Its largest minority cultural-religious force.It is a fact. Deal with it.

Why you gotta hate so much man? Get some nice Muslim chick, take her back to your place, and enjoy her to the core!!!

such hate does no good.

UltraRain
02-14-2015, 03:48 PM
Careful, your global domination fantasy is showing.

What is the model supposed to be? Turkey tries to invade nuclear EU with fancy tanks, and would expect to not be nuked in exchange?

Turkey has anti nuke shields all around the country srs

Tekkendo
02-14-2015, 03:54 PM
Its not about kebabs, genius.

In a given culture, if 10% of population goes down in a very short period of time (war, natural disasters, epidemic etc...), that culture crumbles.

It doesn't mean that culture can't recover...but for the time being, it can not function as it used to.

"Replacement" takes decades, to say the least. In those decades, you will be left far behind by your competitors.If it so happens that hypothetically speaking, that 10% is actually nothing but a bunch of freeloading wellfare leeches, ingrates, terrorist sympathizers, terrorist supporters and terrorist recruits, then in that case, getting rid of them would actually improve the well being in the host countries tremendously.


Replacing such deadwood in an economy with better educated immigrants with better work ethic would result in a huge economic boom.

Fedex01
02-14-2015, 04:35 PM
If it so happens that hypothetically speaking, that 10% is actually nothing but a bunch of freeloading wellfare leeches, ingrates, terrorist sympathizers, terrorist supporters and terrorist recruits, then in that case, getting rid of them would actually improve the well being in the host countries tremendously.


Replacing such deadwood in an economy with better educated immigrants with better work ethic would result in a huge economic boom.

Bullsh!t.

Even you know it.

The policy makers in West aren't bigoted, uneducated retards like you. So they DO understand that destruction of 10% to 15% of their populations in their major industrial, social, cultural, and political center will mean death of Europe in 21st century...

Majority of Muslims in West are integrated into the economies of Europe.

In London, there are 114,548 Muslims in "higher managerial, administrative and professional occupations". London alone is home to 13,400 Muslim-owned businesses, which create 70,000 jobs, and adds billions of pounds to London's economy.

Muslims are just 12.4% of London's population, but own over 30% of local small and medium businesses...

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/londons-mecca-rich-the-rise-of-the-muslim-multimillionaires-splashing-their-cash-8913153.html

Tekkendo
02-14-2015, 04:42 PM
Bullsh!t.

Even you know it.

The policy makers in West aren't bigoted, uneducated retards like you. So they DO understand that destruction of 10% to 15% of their populations in their major industrial, social, cultural, and political center will mean death of Europe in 21st century...

Majority of Muslims in West are integrated into the economies of Europe.

In London, there are 114,548 Muslims in "higher managerial, administrative and professional occupations". London alone is home to 13,400 Muslim-owned businesses, which create 70,000 jobs, and adds billions of pounds to London's economy.

Muslims are just 12.4% of London's population, but own over 30% of local small and medium businesses...

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/londons-mecca-rich-the-rise-of-the-muslim-multimillionaires-splashing-their-cash-8913153.html


I bet this cold harsh reality "EASILY REPLACEABLE WITH BETTER EDUCATED EASTERN EUROPEANS WITH BETTER WORK ETHICS" must really hurt. :D

Fedex01
02-14-2015, 04:59 PM
I bet this cold harsh reality "EASILY REPLACEABLE WITH BETTER EDUCATED EASTERN EUROPEANS WITH BETTER WORK ETHICS" must really hurt. :D

You just deflected from the topic when I showed your claim to be false by giving you evidence and statistics that prove that Muslims, for the over-whelming majority of times, are very well integrated into European economy and are contributing immensely...across the spectrum.

When your bubble or bigotry and hate was busted, you came back with some old bullsh!t of "oh it hurts..blah blah"...

I aint even Muslim. I am just here to bust your racist claims.

Anyways, #byefelicia.

Tekkendo
02-14-2015, 05:06 PM
You just deflected from the topic when I showed your claim to be false by giving you evidence and statistics that prove that Muslims, for the over-whelming majority of times, are very well integrated into European economy and are contributing immensely...across the spectrum.

When your bubble or bigotry and hate was busted, you came back with some old bullsh!t of "oh it hurts..blah blah"...

I aint even Muslim. I am just here to bust your racist claims.

Anyways, #byefelicia.

You have a long record of making up lies and using half truth. I ignore your herp derp b/c made up garbage is not worth wasting breath on.


The only contribution is the hundreds of billions of petro dollars the ME countries invest in the West. If not for that money, the west would not cross the street to piss on you even if you were on fire. Those kebab shops and whatever small businesses are insignificant by comparison and would not be missed.

It is the gigantic sovereign funds from the ME that are buying influence in the West. Not your street corner kebab shops.

Dr.Seltsam
02-14-2015, 05:23 PM
Turkey has anti nuke shields all around the country srs

Haha, last time I checked, turkey had to beg for help from german military to station some patriot anti-missile systems.

Also, OP is talking about crazy-facist europeans regimes and meanwhile Erdogan is in power in turkey ...

Fedex01
02-15-2015, 02:49 AM
You have a long record of making up lies and using half truth. I ignore your herp derp b/c made up garbage is not worth wasting breath on.


The only contribution is the hundreds of billions of petro dollars the ME countries invest in the West. If not for that money, the west would not cross the street to piss on you even if you were on fire. Those kebab shops and whatever small businesses are insignificant by comparison and would not be missed.

It is the gigantic sovereign funds from the ME that are buying influence in the West. Not your street corner kebab shops.

hahaha...

Why you so butthurt, always?

Get a life, loser.

And I presented reports and credible sources for my data...You can't discredit that.

Your wish of another Hitler rising in Europe and commiting a holocaust will never come to fruition...and the fact that you have such despicable desire as your "wish" shows everyone what kind of twisted person you are.

Fedex01
02-15-2015, 05:24 PM
Haha, last time I checked, turkey had to beg for help from german military to station some patriot anti-missile systems.

Also, OP is talking about crazy-facist europeans regimes and meanwhile Erdogan is in power in turkey ...

PATRIOT systems belong to United States, not Germany.

Turkish Military is superior to German Military of today, since Germans have put themselves under self-imposed restrictions.

Turkish military is almost half-a-million men standing military armed with thousands of tanks, artillery guns, anti-tank missiles, hundreds of attack helicopters, hundreds of advance fighter jets, thousands of Armored Personnel Carriers for rapid troop movement across vast areas, strategic airlift capacity with heavy transport aircrafts, very sophisticated electronic warfare capability with AWACS systems, advance submarines, and so on and on.

It is currently in process of building and acquiring fifth generation stealth fighter jets, massive naval ships capable of holding fighter jet squadrons on them, advance SAM systems, cruise missiles that can reach across Europe (from Paris, to Berlin, to London!!), and many other advance weapons.

In coming decades, Turks will outnumber Germans and will be the largest population in Europe....

Turkey is already the largest country in Europe w.r.t area.

So Turkey is center-piece in maintaining peace and calm in Europe.

Tekkendo
02-15-2015, 06:20 PM
hahaha...

Why you so butthurt, always?

Get a life, loser.

And I presented reports and credible sources for my data...You can't discredit that.

Your wish of another Hitler rising in Europe and commiting a holocaust will never come to fruition...and the fact that you have such despicable desire as your "wish" shows everyone what kind of twisted person you are.

Your trademark response to everyone when you have no rebuttal after your lies and half truth get dismissed.

Tekkendo
02-15-2015, 06:23 PM
PATRIOT systems belong to United States, not Germany.

Turkish Military is superior to German Military of today, since Germans have put themselves under self-imposed restrictions.

Turkish military is almost half-a-million men standing military armed with thousands of tanks, artillery guns, anti-tank missiles, hundreds of attack helicopters, hundreds of advance fighter jets, thousands of Armored Personnel Carriers for rapid troop movement across vast areas, strategic airlift capacity with heavy transport aircrafts, very sophisticated electronic warfare capability with AWACS systems, advance submarines, and so on and on.

It is currently in process of building and acquiring fifth generation stealth fighter jets, massive naval ships capable of holding fighter jet squadrons on them, advance SAM systems, cruise missiles that can reach across Europe (from Paris, to Berlin, to London!!), and many other advance weapons.

In coming decades, Turks will outnumber Germans and will be the largest population in Europe....

Turkey is already the largest country in Europe w.r.t area.

So Turkey is center-piece in maintaining peace and calm in Europe.

When was the last time the Turkey army won a war against a modern army? Answer : never.

aaaayylmao.


Turkish military depends on the US supplies. If the US pulls the plug, ....aaayyylmao... How do you say KAPUT in Turkish?

Mr Beer
02-15-2015, 06:32 PM
I think it's great that Turkey is providing some welcome hard currency to countries that can actually make decent weaponry i.e. Germany etc. I mean, I think Turkish citizens could probably need it more, for infrastructure and other things that aren't a complete waste of money, like expensive weapons that will never be used, but still...these arms sales are good for the EU.

In any event, there is zero chance that Turkey will be some kind of stabilising influence on Europe or that it would react to Hitler II in any way other than to bleatingly offer an alliance as a decidedly second tier ally. Face it, Turkey is not a military heavyweight in Europe and never will be. Kleptocracy and corruption don't make fighting soldiers, for that you need Western nations.

Fedex01
02-15-2015, 07:09 PM
When was the last time the Turkey army won a war against a modern army? Answer : never.

Turks defeated British and Europeans on multiple fronts in WWII, while lost on other fronts.

Moreover, Turks overwhelmed Greeks in all military engagements. In 1974, Turkish Army just took over Cyprus, divided it, and held on to it.

Europeans (Greeks) couldn't do jack sh!t.


Turkish military depends on the US supplies. If the US pulls the plug, ....aaayyylmao... How do you say KAPUT in Turkish?

Ever heard of "Transfer of Technology" ?

Turks make their own F-16s through U.S transfer of technology...

But yes, if U.S pulls the plug...Europe, including Turkey, is fu*cked.

You haven't answered my question though: Why do you wish of another Hitler rising in Europe and commiting a holocaust of Muslims?

Fedex01
02-15-2015, 07:14 PM
In any event, there is zero chance that Turkey will be some kind of stabilising influence on Europe

And why do you say that? Turkey has been a stabilizing factor in the region for many decades now.




or that it would react to Hitler II in any way other than to bleatingly offer an alliance as a decidedly second tier ally.

If Hitler II arises in Greece, and picks a military confrontation with Turkey....Turkey will demolish the living hell out of Greece before Hitler II even takes off.

Turkey is the largest military power of Europe...and it aint changing any time soon, especially in Eastern Europe---where Hitler II might come from, if there ever going to be another Hitler type monster that is.


Face it, Turkey is not a military heavyweight in Europe and never will be. Kleptocracy and corruption don't make fighting soldiers, for that you need Western nations.

LOL.

Turkey is easily the third or fourth strongest military power of mainland Europe. It is a military heavyweight by all means.

Mr Beer
02-15-2015, 07:16 PM
Turks defeated British and Europeans on multiple fronts in WWII, while lost on other fronts.

Turkey did not fight in WWII, stop this madness. It's like you're living in a fairy tale world "and then mighty Turkey invaded Germany, killed Hitler and saved the US. Hurray for Turkey!"

EDIT

Like this but Turkey instead of Poland:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/mrbeer/Poland%20Ball/poland5_zpsf375ea5f.png (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/mrbeer/media/Poland%20Ball/poland5_zpsf375ea5f.png.html)

Spartan5364
02-15-2015, 07:16 PM
why do you still refer to turkey as if it's a part of Europe?

Mr Beer
02-15-2015, 07:20 PM
And why do you say that? Turkey has been a stabilizing factor in the region for many decades now.

LOL, it's a neat border to Europe and an interesting holiday destination. Let's not overstate it's importance.


If Hitler II arises in Greece, and picks a military confrontation with Turkey....Turkey will demolish the living hell out of Greece before Hitler II even takes off.

I don't know what your odd obsession with Hitler redux is, but Hitler needs his Wehrmacht, which isn't Greece's speciality. After all, if Greece had any military strength at all, Turkey couldn't have invaded it. All that said, Turkey isn't invading Europe to stop Jews going into the oven. They would stand around taking notes on the genocide, something they have a track record for themselves.



Turkey is easily the third or fourth strongest military power of mainland Europe. It is a military heavyweight by all means.

Sure...on paper. It's paper all the way, a paper tiger.

ONtop888
02-15-2015, 07:25 PM
http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=united-states-of-america

While your e-fantasizing about the future glory of a Turkish Sultan, scimitar in hand with an alpha beard, just keep in mind that the good ole US of A more than quadruples most of Turkey's capabilities and could lay waste to the entire ME without nukes, if it had to.

Fedex01
02-15-2015, 07:53 PM
LOL, it's a neat border to Europe and an interesting holiday destination. Let's not overstate it's importance.

It is not me or you who assign importance to nations. For an African living in Congo, U.S has no importance. For you, Turkey might have no importance.

But random, unknown virgins don't matter online.

Turkey is regarded as a regional great power. It is, hands down, the strongest economic, cultural, and military power in the region it exists (Eastern Europe, Middle-East, and Caucus).

Here, strategic analyst and creator of STRATFOR intelligence talks about Turkey in a conference

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWM8EYUJc3Y

A nation with one of the top twenty most powerful economies and with one of the top ten most powerful militaries IS pretty important on global scale...


I don't know what your odd obsession with Hitler redux is, but Hitler needs his Wehrmacht, which isn't Greece's speciality. After all, if Greece had any military strength at all, Turkey couldn't have invaded it.

I don't have obsession with Hitler. But racist, savage tendencies of Europe worry me. Look whats been happening...Right-wing on the rise across Europe.


All that said, Turkey isn't invading Europe to stop Jews going into the oven.

Read my OP. It is not about Jews into Oven.

My OP clearly lays out my point of this thread. Read it (start after "Here's Why" that is bolded in my OP)


Sure...on paper. It's paper all the way, a paper tiger.

Yeah, just like America is a paper tiger according to some retards.

Turks have a long, and rich military history...they have proven themselves again and again..whether it was Turkish corps in Korean war and its bravery, or Mustafa Kemal's leadership earning Turks victory against technologically superior opponents standing at Turkey's gate in WW2..

Mr Beer
02-15-2015, 08:23 PM
It's pretty funny watching a red scum fantasist throw around insults, but the facts are as I stated them. Since your knowledge of Turkish military history is confined to imaginary WWII battles, I don't consider your opinion on the matter authoritative.

Turkey is capable of invading Greece and committing racist genocides, albeit less efficiently than the Germans.

In terms of military power though, they are second rate to UK, Germany and France, each of which are themselves far behind the real military heavyweight of the US. Furthermore, Turkey has had zero major military experience for nearly 100 years. Kleptocratic Muslim countries routinely turn out terrible soldiers though, so I think we all know what would happen if they ever faced a modern professional fighting force.

If there ever was a second Hitler and he was running anywhere more powerful than Greece, Turkey would have and could have, absolutely nothing to say on the matter. It would be decided by Europe and the US, no lightweights needed here.

Tekkendo
02-15-2015, 10:10 PM
Turkey has a bunch of loons as leaders. The result cannot possibly be good. That one is a no brainer. They are fukking it up as we speak.

Judge_Joe_Brown
02-15-2015, 10:26 PM
A military coup in Turkey would be a blessing. Exactly what Turkey needs. Turkey needs an Al Sisi. Al Sisi is a devout muslim. Savior of Egypt. The muslim world needs more sane muslims like Al Sisi, and the rulers of UAE, Oman, and Jordan. Enlightened and educated muslims.

Oman and Jordan, sure.

UAE tho:

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Tekkendo
02-15-2015, 10:49 PM
Oman and Jordan, sure.

UAE tho:

4I81ArtQgn8

Reminded me of Ben Ali of Tunisia. These phuckers use their cooperation with the west as a shield to hide their shiety conduct.

Fedex01
02-15-2015, 10:53 PM
oman and jordan, sure.

Uae tho:

4i81artqgn8

barbarians.

Jasonw1178
02-15-2015, 11:31 PM
With Russia to their north and isis to their south. Then iran, Isreal and the EU. Then they are in the middle of all this as a major crossroads, THEY WOULD BE STUPID IF THEY DIDN'T. The us and turkey have had a pretty strong relationship but it's kept quiet.

Don't forget the Ottoman empire. That was turkey. They are a major power but prefer to stay quiet. Nobody messes with them either. There is a reason for this.

Tekkendo
02-15-2015, 11:50 PM
With Russia to their north and isis to their south. Then iran, Isreal and the EU. Then they are in the middle of all this as a major crossroads, THEY WOULD BE STUPID IF THEY DIDN'T. The us and turkey have had a pretty strong relationship but it's kept quiet.

Don't forget the Ottoman empire. That was turkey. They are a major power but prefer to stay quiet. Nobody messes with them either. There is a reason for this.

U might want to get a different history book on the ottoman....

Fedex01
02-21-2015, 08:40 PM
If there ever was a second Hitler and he was running anywhere more powerful than Greece, Turkey would have and could have, absolutely nothing to say on the matter. It would be decided by Europe and the US, no lightweights needed here.

Turkey is a European military heavyweight...more so than 95% of the Europe.

Turkish alliance with United Kingdom and United States gives it a pretty heavy role in Europe. Turkey's influence exceeds that of all other European nations.

Turkey holds massive influence in Central Asia through Turkic heritage of the people and common language, parts of Middle-East, Caucus (Azerbaijan is like Turkey's younger son), and so on.

Where does France hold any influence in any critical region outside Europe? Or U.K? or even Germany? Nowhere. lolzzz

Turkey is a bigger player in global context than any other European nation (Russia isn't included).

Anyways, the bottom line is this:

Global Islamic Civilization has expanded and has physically established itself into the heartlands of Europe. Muslims and Islam are a part of Europe/West now. Tens of millions of Europeans across Europe are Muslims. There are tens of thousands of mosques, millions of girls in Hijab and millions more following Islamic dress code. Halal-food is mainstream. Islamic presence and symbols can be 'felt' in every major European center. Muslim Europeans are contributing to European life as businessmen, innovators, doctors, engineers, celebrities, soccer players, journalists, property-dealers, politicians, social workers, TV actors, News anchors, and even porn-stars (yes!)!! Islam has become inevitable part of European fabric. It is Europe's largest minority socio-cultural-religious force.It is a fact. Deal with it.

And people who want to see this go away due to their own bigotry and want holocaust II of Muslims in Europe needs to understand that Muslims aren't Jews. Jews had nowhere to go and had nobody. Muslims are a part of a gigantic global civilization with tens of nation-states around the world, and Islamic culture and civilization are present across continents!! Muslim nations, such as Turkey, have massive military and economic prowess. Other Islamic nation-states have nuclear weapons and means to deliver them!! And this has only been increasing...Muslim people worldwide are expanding/spreading/increasing in number and Muslim nation states like Turkey etc. are increasing their military power.

A global nuclearized people present across continents, with a history of remaining superpowers of the planet for 1000+ years, aren't up for the taking. Any effort to "destroy" them will bring about a destruction that humanity can't bear.

So neo-nazis of Europe need to put their bigotry behind them and accept Muslim Europeans as fellow citizens. This is the only way for peaceful coexistence that we all need.

Muslims, Europeans, and every civilized person should be on one side to fight extremist savages like ISIS and ultra-right of Europe.

p100
02-21-2015, 09:26 PM
Turkey military maintenance facilities are larger than any European country's. They build helicopter, jet, tank, MRAP, firearm, ammo, UAV, etc.

Astyanax
02-22-2015, 04:45 AM
Good. I hope the Turks take over the entire middle east once again and wipe out the wahhabis.

Spartan5364
02-22-2015, 04:53 AM
Turkish soldier killed, turkey withdraws soldiers from historic tomb they were protecting


Turkey has evacuated its military personnel protecting the Tomb of Süleyman Şah in northern Syria as well as the artifacts in the mausoleum in an operation jointly conducted by the intelligence organization and the Turkish army, a few days after reports suggested that the tomb was besieged by jihadists belonging to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

A soldier was killed in an accident during the early hours of the operation, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu confirmed during a press conference early on Feb. 22. The soldier has been identified as Halit Avcı. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan reportedly called the family of Avcı to convey his condolences.

The tomb, around 37 kilometers from the Turkish border, is regarded as Turkish territory by international agreements and was protected by around 40 soldiers.

Davutoğlu, Land Forces Commander Hulusi Akar and other military officials determined the details of the military operation during a meeting at Turkey’s General Staff headquarters in Ankara on Feb. 20, Hürriyet has learned. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan approved the operation.

During the operation that was launched late Feb. 21, airborne early warning and control (AWACS) aircraft, military helicopters and drones were on duty as 39 tanks and 57 armored vehicles penetrated the border with support teams from Turkey’s Special Forces. Live footage and other data from the field were followed in an operation room at the General Staff’s headquarters.

Without engaging in any clashes, Turkish troops left Syria early Feb. 22, after detonating the symbolic building to prevent ISIL militants from using it as a base.

Davutoğlu announced in a series of tweets on Feb. 22 that the artifacts had been “temporarily” brought to Turkey, while the Turkish army “took control of an area in the Ashma region of Syria, raising our flag, where Süleyman Şah will later be transferred.”

Stressing that there is “an environment of conflict bearing every kind of risks” in Syria, Davutoğlu described the operation, named “Şah Fırat” (Shah Euphrates), as “extremely successful.”

“I want to stress that a nation can build a future only by laying a claim to its past,” Turkish PM added.

Turkey will submit a notice to the Syrian consulate in Istanbul, saying that that the placement of the tomb will be changed, Hürriyet said. Relations between Turkey and the Bashar al-Assad are extremely tense, with Ankara repeatedly proclaiming in the international arena that al-Assad should be ousted.

In a separate but brief statement, the Turkish army also confirmed that the operation was completed and that the troops and all valuable artifacts had been removed from the outpost. The army cited “security concerns and military obligations” as the reason for the evacuation operation, while reiterating that there were no clashes between the army and armed groups inside Syria.

The operation came a few days after reports suggested that the ISIL jihadists had besieged the tomb and that Turkish soldiers protecting the enclave were trapped by the militants. Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu denied claims in a statement on Feb. 20. Media reports claimed that Turkey was in negotiations with ISIL militants for the release of the Turkish soldiers in exchange for arrested jihadist militants.

The Tomb of Süleyman Şah has long been in the spotlight as there were fears that it could be targeted by Syria’s government or ISIL forces. Turkey made clear to all parties fighting in the Syrian theater that it would protect the tomb and its soldiers in the enclave in the event of an attack and retaliate in kind.

Who was Süleyman Şah?

The Süleyman Şah tomb was declared Turkish territory under a treaty signed with France in 1921, when France was the colonial power in Syria. Ankara regards it as sovereign territory and repeatedly made clear that it would defend the mausoleum if it was attacked.

Süleyman Şah was a 12th-century military leader of the Seljuk Empire, which was among the first Turkish groups to enter and settle in Anatolia. He is the grandfather of Osman I, who founded the Ottoman Empire in the 13th century, which lasted for six centuries and was inherited by the Turkish Republic in 1923 following the War of Liberation.

The tomb and its annex have gone through several processes of demolition, relocation, and reconstruction since their original construction on the hills of Caber Castle in 1939. The tomb was moved to its current location in 1975 as a result of a dam construction.

Sakeoe
02-22-2015, 04:58 AM
Turkey did not fight in WWII, stop this madness. It's like you're living in a fairy tale world "and then mighty Turkey invaded Germany, killed Hitler and saved the US. Hurray for Turkey!"

I'm assuming he means WW1 not 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign

Fedex01
02-22-2015, 05:18 AM
I'm assuming he means WW1 not 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign

Correct.

Shows you that Turks were quite capable of fighting Europeans and defeating them even at their demise (WWI was where Ottoman Empire was weakest infront of European powers)...

Today, Turkish Military is one of the strongest in the entire European continent. Turkey is rising as the strongest power of Eastern and Central Europe...where as Germany, France, and U.K remain strongest players in Western Europe.

Any anti-Muslim fascist regime, if there was to be, will come from Central-Eastern Europe...and there, Turkish military will raise havoc before another Nazi nightmare takes any shape.

Therefore, Turkish Military buildup is of great importance...

Fedex01
02-22-2015, 05:22 AM
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Everyone should read post #105 before commenting
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Sakeoe
02-22-2015, 05:23 AM
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Everyone should read post #105 before commenting
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none of what you said in post 105 is true.

Fedex01
02-22-2015, 03:10 PM
none of what you said in post 105 is true.

However, everything I said in post#105 is true.

How about you tell me whats not true? Lets give me one line or one idea of mine from that post, and we'll dissect it, eh? ;)

Tekkendo
02-22-2015, 03:52 PM
Correct.

Shows you that Turks were quite capable of fighting Europeans and defeating them even at their demise (WWI was where Ottoman Empire was weakest infront of European powers)...

Today, Turkish Military is one of the strongest in the entire European continent. Turkey is rising as the strongest power of Eastern and Central Europe...where as Germany, France, and U.K remain strongest players in Western Europe.

Any anti-Muslim fascist regime, if there was to be, will come from Central-Eastern Europe...and there, Turkish military will raise havoc before another Nazi nightmare takes any shape.

Therefore, Turkish Military buildup is of great importance...

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http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/19681/wm/pd1035234.jpg

http://weeklypulse.org/NewsImages/1316541008.jpg

keep smoking

Tekkendo
02-22-2015, 03:53 PM
However, everything I said in post#105 is true.

How about you tell me whats not true? Lets give me one line or one idea of mine from that post, and we'll dissect it, eh? ;)
It is only true to the Turks who are deluding themselves.

Everyone just LOL at that bs delusion.

aaaylmao.

Mr Beer
02-22-2015, 04:07 PM
Lets not be unfair on the Turks, like I said they are up to invading the odd Greek island or two and genociding Armenians. Also, they whip up a mean lamb kebab, credit where it's due.

Militarily invading the European mainland is obviously a deluded fantasy of course.

Tekkendo
02-22-2015, 04:30 PM
The term is delusion of grandeur.

aaaaylmao.

40ozDrank
02-22-2015, 04:37 PM
If Turkey doesn't take ISIS head on with all that "military power" maybe we should "reallocate" the "military power". Islam taking over Europe like it hasn't already.....

fukk them

Fedex01
02-22-2015, 04:42 PM
Islam taking over Europe like it hasn't already.....

fukk them

What? In what world "islam" has "taken over" Europe?

Fedex01
02-22-2015, 04:45 PM
Lets not be unfair on the Turks, like I said they are up to invading the odd Greek island or two and genociding Armenians. Also, they whip up a mean lamb kebab, credit where it's due.

Militarily invading the European mainland is obviously a deluded fantasy of course.

Read my reply to you in post#105.

Nobody is talking about invading mainland Europe. That'll be a disaster.

How ever, Turkey will play a key role stopping any fascist regime to rise again in Europe.

United States--United Kingdom--Turkey have Europe in their complete and total grip of safety. Any fascist Hitler II aint possible now..

U.K has better relations with Turkey than France. U.K consistently supports Turkish inclusion into the European Union. Germans/French oppose.

Tekkendo
02-22-2015, 04:52 PM
Read my reply to you in post#105.

Nobody is talking about invading mainland Europe. That'll be a disaster.

How ever, Turkey will play a key role stopping any fascist regime to rise again in Europe.

United States--United Kingdom--Turkey have Europe in their complete and total grip of safety. Any fascist Hitler II aint possible now..

U.K has better relations with Turkey than France. U.K consistently supports Turkish inclusion into the European Union. Germans/French oppose.

No one will help Erdogan's AKP scum to attack another European country.

ONtop888
02-22-2015, 05:31 PM
Here's an angle for you, OP. If the US got involved in any of your hypothetical conflicts with Turkey, then it would be lights out.

With that being said, although Erdogan has tarnished relations somewhat with the West, Turkey is still in good standing with the West. US wouldn't allow a potential Hitler 2.0 to take Turkey out.

Mr Beer
02-22-2015, 06:23 PM
How ever, Turkey will play a key role stopping any fascist regime to rise again in Europe.

Nope. They will sit tight and mind their own business, like good little Turks. Perhaps rustle up a few lamb kebabs for the facists or provide tips on genocide. But generally they will shut their yaps.

Fedex01
02-22-2015, 09:16 PM
No one will help Erdogan's AKP scum to attack another European country.

True.

But everyone will help Erdogan's Republic to attack and curb a fascist government in Europe hell bent to destroy the continent and take over the world.

Think about it ;)

lsiberian
02-22-2015, 09:21 PM
You got schooled by the Arabs in WW I for a reason. LOL at the Turks being any kind of a threat. Wars aren't fought with manned vehicles anymore. They are fought with drones.

Fedex01
02-22-2015, 09:25 PM
Nope. They will sit tight and mind their own business, like good little Turks. Perhaps rustle up a few lamb kebabs for the facists or provide tips on genocide. But generally they will shut their yaps.

Yeah, like they did when Greeks were kinda rustling up in Cyprus against Turks?

Oh yeah, sorry---Turks invaded Cyprus, divided it in half, brought Turks on the Island under their protection, and declared their sovereignty on Turkish-majority part of Cyprus---that they maintain till today.

Turks aren't "french" you know...little frenchies that sit on the side with their eyes shut in hopes of getting through tough time (which never happens btw..lmao)...

Anyways, no European will in their right mind even think about doing a holocaust II against Muslims. European leaders know the ramifications of such an act. Moreover, no European leader will have guts to openly declare "war" on "Islam" ...as it would entail the end of civilization as we know it, especially the end of Europe.

Turkey will continue to maintain their status of greatest military, political, and economic power of Eastern and Central Europe. While United Kingdom and United States will keep little Germans and Frenchies under check (Weight, do Germans even have a military yet? Did United States "allowed" them yet? LOL!!!)...

So everything is fine.

You probably missed it but Turkish Defence Minister just announced that Turkey might be going ahead with HQ-9 long-range SAM deal with China. The catch? It comes with transfer of technology.

If that deal goes ahead, in the coming decades, Turks will have indigenous systems that would be able to destroy enemy fighter jets over Eastern Europe...even before they reach Turkish shores.

Pretty interesting to see Turkey's rise in Central and Eastern Europe---while no poor little European nation in the region (Poland, Greece, Romania, Hungry, Austria, and so on) can even think of challenging Turkey's rise.

p100
02-22-2015, 09:34 PM
Nope. They will sit tight and mind their own business, like good little Turks. Perhaps rustle up a few lamb kebabs for the facists or provide tips on genocide. But generally they will shut their yaps.

Turkey was in WWI, and Korean War. I'm not sure why keeping to themselves is a bad thing?

Edit: removed incorrect info

Mr Beer
02-22-2015, 09:40 PM
Turkey was in WWI, II, and Korean War. I'm not sure why keeping to themselves is a bad thing?

I didn't say it was?

BTW Turkey did not fight in WWII and was not exactly prominent in the Korean War.

Igmann
02-22-2015, 09:51 PM
If Mussilini type fascist dictator took power in Italy..and announced the return of glorious Roman days..and attacked Turkey...and a war follows between two nations...

What in the living hell makes you think that Germany and France (or UK) will back FASCISM instead of a conservative but secular country like Turkey?

lololol...

Because Europeans side with Europeans. They have sided with each other many times to defeat the petty Turk.



In one-on-one, Turkey will beat the living hell out of any European nation (except 2,3).

Turkey couldn't take on Austria in a one on one conflict, let alone any of the larger countries.

Here's a quick summary of what would happen in a war between Europe and Turkey:

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Israelis aren't openly eradicating Muslims and have announced a war whereby entire Muslim Middle-East needs to be "cleansed" from Muslims.

The day this happens, Israel won't exist no more...as entire world would stand against this barbarity.

LOL that's because they've already eradicated them, or at least to a significant enough of a number where they are no longer relevant in Israel.



Turks have more area of Europe under control (that they got by conquering it) than Israelis have in Middle-East, which they got by U.N vote btw..lol

Israelis never defeated most powerful Muslim nations (Turkey, Pakistan etc). Get your basic facts correct.

That's because those countries didn't have the balls to take on Israel.

You are right, the entire nation of Turkey was founded on theft and genocide.



PS, I am an American. We don't suck at war. Infact, we made Europeans surrender to our will and maintain our military bases across Europe even to this day. Deal with it.

You're a Turk and you suck at war.



Turks (and Islamic people in general) are one of the most successful civilization when it comes to military conquests and wars. Muslims have waged wars on the grandest and most successful rate in human history.

You never got past Spain, Austria, or Russia or any of the other relevant countries at the time. Congratulations, you successfully occupied the nomads of North Africa and the Asian steepe. Try fighting a real military force. Oh wait, Charles Martel called, he says you tried and failed miserably.



This isn't a wrestling match, kid. ALL major industrial/social urban centers and political capitals of Western World (London, Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Amesterdam, Birmingham etc) have 10% to 15% of their population comprised of Muslim peoples. You think getting rid of 10% to 15% of population of ALL of your major industrial, political capitals will have no impact on Europe? LOL. It will burn Europe to ground, like in WW2.

It's closer to 3-5%. It would have no impact because the Muslims in Europe don't contribute to European economies in a significant way.



Islamic Civilization has expanded and has physically established itself into European heartlands. Muslims and Islam are a part of Europe/West now. Tens of millions of Europeans across Europe are Muslims. There are tens of thousands of mosques, millions of girls in Hijab and millions more following Islamic dress code. Halal-food is mainstream. Muslim Europeans are contributing to European life as businessmen, innovators, doctors, engineers, celebrities, soccer players, journalists, property-dealers, and even porn-stars (yes!)!! Islam is part of Europe. Its largest minority cultural-religious force.It is a fact. Deal with it.

There's no such thing as a Muslim European. That term is self contradictory as Muslim values contradict European values.

Your statement of how much Muslim contribute to Europe is grossly exaggerated. For the most part they work labor jobs and entry level trades. There's nothing that a Muslim in Europe can do that a Native European can't.



Why you gotta hate so much man? Get some nice Muslim chick, take her back to your place, and enjoy her to the core!!!

such hate does no good.

It's not hate towards anyone, it's an observation of an existential threat facing the entire European continent.

Tekkendo
02-22-2015, 09:59 PM
True.

But everyone will help Erdogan's Republic to attack and curb a fascist government in Europe hell bent to destroy the continent and take over the world.

Think about it ;)

The only fascist government is in Russia. In a war against Russia, Turkey will be on NATO's side.

But that doesn't fit your islamo Ottoman herpderp.

Igmann
02-22-2015, 10:04 PM
In a war against Russia, Turkey will be absent, as it is in virtually every relevant NATO campaign.

FTFY. Remember, Turkey joined NATO because it needed someone to bail them out if the Russians invaded (Cold War). But they're not actually interested in contributing to NATO campaigns in any significant way. It's a purely one sided relationship. In fact, I challenge anyone ITT to point out one NATO campaign where Turkey played a significant role.

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ArmUndKrank
02-22-2015, 10:14 PM
how come turkey didn't stop this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_Process

Fedex01
02-23-2015, 03:46 AM
how come turkey didn't stop this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revival_Process

Because interfering in Bulgaria back then meant interfering in Soviet's satellite state. Who, in their right mind, could even think of messing with Soviet Union back then?

Anyways, changing names to Bulgarian names doesn't mean sh!t...does it?

It didn't stop Islam, did it? LOL.

Islam went GLOBAL in Western World...with tens of millions..yes, MILLIONS of Muslims all across Europe with thousands of mosque and Islamic symbols and everything..

Islam has become an inseparable part of Europe. That's a fact. Nobody can deny it.

Bulgaria can suck Turkish balls though..

Fedex01
02-23-2015, 04:12 AM
Because Europeans side with Europeans. They have sided with each other many times to defeat the petty Turk

Yeah, Europeans had to form coalitions to fight "petty" Turks--who ruled massive chunks of Europe for centuries and conquered most important European city of its time (Constantinople). Why you gotta act like a small kid?

History is history, there's no denying it. Turks were the greatest superpower of planet at one point...just like Rome, Britain, Arabs, and others.


[/quote] LOL that's because they've already eradicated them, or at least to a significant enough of a number where they are no longer relevant in Israel. [/quote]

Israelis haven't eradicated Palestinians. Displaced them? Yes. The day Israel announces any "war on Islam"...it will be demolished into thin air.



That's because those countries didn't have the balls to take on Israel.

Why would Pakistan and Turkey take on Israel?

Muslims have zero interest in Palestine other than the holy sites--which Jordan, a Muslim state, already enjoy sovereignty over :)

Whereas, Islamic World controls almost all major holy sites of Christendom, including historically important cities....but you don't see any Christian-majority nation "taking on" Muslims for that, do you? LOL.

World doesn't work that way no more bruh..no more crusades.


You are right, the entire nation of Turkey was founded on theft and genocide.

Nice way to spin it. Doesn't change the fact that Turkey has much more area of Europe under control than Israel has Muslim area under control.

Moreover, Turkey conquered European lands and kept it. Israel needed U.N to get a small, tiny state in Muslim area.


You never got past Spain, Austria, or Russia or any of the other relevant countries at the time. Congratulations, you successfully occupied the nomads of North Africa and the Asian steepe. Try fighting a real military force. Oh wait, Charles Martel called, he says you tried and failed miserably.

LOL.

North Africa used to be "Roman" ....

Face the facts: Islamic Civilization destroyed Roman-European civilization in North Africa, Levant, and Syria..and permanently eradicated it. Islamic World, from 7th century to early 18th century, remained the most dominant cultural, economic, and military civilization of the planet..the superpowers of human race (although there was some pauses here and there). West only took this position from Islamic World post industrialization (i.e, in 18th century) and maintains it till today.

Your argument of "oh you didn't face real military" is nothing but pure farce. Back then, England wasn't "real military power" of Europe. In 13th/14th centuries, it were Mediterranean civilizations that were the best offer from Europe (in culture, arts, and power)..and Islamic World conquered them completely and established dominance over East Mediterranean sea.

Pick 15th century, can you show me any civilization that could match Islamic World in economy, power, global spread in old world, and military might? Anyone? Answer: None.

I'm very well versed in history and have studied at university that comes under top ten public institutes in the United States.

Lets be adults and talk on facts, not on our own biases.


It's closer to 3-5%.

Wrong.

Go google Muslim populations of London, Birminghim, Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris, Brussels, Istanbul, and so on. ALL major capitals and industrial centers of Europe have Muslim populations ranging from 8% to 15% ....

For example, London is 12.3% ....




There's no such thing as a Muslim European. That term is self contradictory as Muslim values contradict European values.

Wrong and utterly biased loaded view.

Oxford graduated, English speaking, U.K born and bread, very sophisticated journalist like Mehdi Hassan is a perfect example of European Muslim.


It's not hate towards anyone, it's an observation of an existential threat facing the entire European continent.

Welcome to 21st century, dear. It is the age of globalization and increasing diversity. We no longer live in dark ages, if you haven't noticed.

Diversity in Europe is NOT "threat" ...it is the future, EVERYWHERE on globe!!!

Islamic Civilization has already established itself in Europe. What you want to do? What do you suggest?

Mass murder of 35 million to 45 million peoples in Europe?!!!

TheFornicator1
02-23-2015, 04:29 AM
It's absolutely hilarious to see this compulsive liar in here talking down on other people (with that ever-present terrible syntax that only a non-native English speaker can develop).

Fedex, I'm not quite sure if you understand this, but the entire premise for your thread is based on fantasy. You have proposed that Turkey is the regional stabilizer of Europe, and that its mere presence is stopping some hypothetical Adolf Hitler 2.0 from rising to power in Europe.

For all of your contentions about your education and otherworldly intellect, you can't seem to grasp this simple fact: This entire thread is one of delusions of grandeur. There has been absolutely zero chance of your fanciful, extravagant hypothesis ever arising again in Europe since the end of World War II.

While you're busy shouting people down about this being the 21st century, and that the Crusaders of the days of yore are long gone, it seems to evade you that your own mind is stuck in 1942; and even further yesteryear to not only World War I, but the fancy of the Ottoman Empire.

You've created a thread, and offered an analysis, that is based entirely on fantasy. And do you know why? Because like many Muslims - ISIS in particular - you hold the same sentiments for the glory days of a bygone era that you're accusing others of holding. Indeed, you're in love with the Islamic brand that can only be best personified by times that have long since passed.

Delusions of grandeur.

Fedex01
02-23-2015, 04:37 AM
It's absolutely hilarious to see this compulsive liar in here talking down on other people (with that ever-present terrible syntax that only a non-native English speaker can develop).

Fedex, I'm not quite sure if you understand this, but the entire premise for your thread is based on fantasy. You have proposed that Turkey is the regional stabilizer of Europe, and that its mere presence is stopping some hypothetical Adolf Hitler 2.0 from rising to power in Europe.

For all of your contentions about your education and otherworldly intellect, you can't seem to grasp this simple fact: This entire thread is one of delusions of grandeur. There has been absolutely zero chance of your fanciful, extravagant hypothesis ever arising again in Europe since the end of World War II.

While you're busy shouting people down about this being the 21st century, and that the Crusaders of the days of yore are long gone, it seems to evade you that your own mind is stuck in 1942; and even further yesteryear to not only World War I, but the fancy of the Ottoman Empire.

You've created a thread, and offered an analysis, that is based entirely on fantasy. And do you know why? Because like many Muslims - ISIS in particular - you hold the same sentiments for the glory days of a bygone era that you're accusing others of holding. Indeed, you're in love with the Islamic brand that can only be best personified by times that have long since passed.

Delusions of grandeur.

Oh yeah, I'm ISIS now lol

Whatever the case is, my facts are always correct.

Anyways dude, yes my thread is based on a hypothesis...but that's the point. Turkish military build up is a fact. We all know it. I just presented a different way of looking at this and how this build up might actually help Europe to stay on the path of progress and sanity..

Whenever Europe went to sh!t, there was no power present in Central and Eastern Europe. Today, there is. So it gives Europe a greater stability over-all..

U.K, France, Germany, and Turkey---present in all European regions (South, West, North, Central, Eastern)---give almost perfect balance to maintain peace in European lands..

TurkBrah
02-23-2015, 06:57 AM
Turkey will have a very bloody civil war due to phaggot erdogan and his religious kunts before it can do anything. Turkey before erdogan(13years back), didnt give a chit about other muslim countries and poverty phaggots that live in them.

You are delusional to think that Turkey will fight for other muslims regardless of how extremist the phaggot erdogan is. Once Turkey is cleansed of erdogan and his crew, White Turks will rise again(no racist, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Turks_and_Black_Turks).

pimpinbig
02-23-2015, 07:49 AM
such a delusional thread. who makes up the majority of usa military? there would be military coup before american whites kill european whites for turkey and islam.

No there wouldnt. There were plenty of orders I thought were total bs, but we all executed the mission because it was a lawful order. smh

Tekkendo
02-23-2015, 07:58 AM
FTFY. Remember, Turkey joined NATO because it needed someone to bail them out if the Russians invaded (Cold War). But they're not actually interested in contributing to NATO campaigns in any significant way. It's a purely one sided relationship. In fact, I challenge anyone ITT to point out one NATO campaign where Turkey played a significant role.

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It was a mutually beneficial relationship. Turkey and Russia are arch enemies. NATO is a natural ally and America's nuclear umbrella is useful. While Turkey's force projection ability is questionable, they do know the terrain of their country better than anyone and are very capable of stopping any Russian aggression into Turkey dead in its track.

Turks know Russian imperialism and they are sitting on a prime real estate that the Russians want to occupy or control: the choke point at the entrance of the Black Sea.


We have no quarrel with the secular Turks. It is scumbag Erdogan and the cancer called AKP. Turkey is marching down the road of a civil war. We better make sure we support the secularists.

Tekkendo
02-23-2015, 08:10 AM
Turkey will have a very bloody civil war due to phaggot erdogan and his religious kunts before it can do anything. Turkey before erdogan(13years back), didnt give a chit about other muslim countries and poverty phaggots that live in them.

You are delusional to think that Turkey will fight for other muslims regardless of how extremist the phaggot erdogan is. Once Turkey is cleansed of erdogan and his crew, White Turks will rise again(no racist, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Turks_and_Black_Turks).

http://i.imgur.com/mqdqVOK.jpg

http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/89/74/4b/89744b5a84ac13826679f8a9e10abfa3.jpg

ZenBowman
02-23-2015, 08:53 AM
We have no quarrel with the secular Turks. It is scumbag Erdogan and the cancer called AKP. Turkey is marching down the road of a civil war. We better make sure we support the secularists.

Good post, it is important not to generalize all Turks. A lot of them are very upset with the current direction the government is heading in.

Unfortunately, in our slavish devotion to democracy, we have let AKP do whatever they want, even when it violates the rights of the people they rule. We should have been applying diplomatic pressure to topple the AKP a long time ago.

Igmann
02-23-2015, 09:17 AM
Yeah, Europeans had to form coalitions to fight "petty" Turks--who ruled massive chunks of Europe for centuries and conquered most important European city of its time (Constantinople). Why you gotta act like a small kid?

Of course they did, The Ottoman Empire was one massive coalition, you fight coalitions with a coalition of their own. Constantinople was never the most important city in Europe. Rome and Vienna have always been the most important and you tried twice, failed both times.



History is history, there's no denying it. Turks were the greatest superpower of planet at one point...just like Rome, Britain, Arabs, and others.

The greatest superpower of the third world. You never once controlled a country that really mattered on the global scale of things.



Israelis haven't eradicated Palestinians. Displaced them? Yes. The day Israel announces any "war on Islam"...it will be demolished into thin air.

They have within the territories that are important to Israel. Which isn't a condemnation of Israel btw, the Israelis have the right to eradicate anyone whom they don't deem fit for their own country.



Why would Pakistan and Turkey take on Israel?

To help their Muslim brethren lol.



Muslims have zero interest in Palestine other than the holy sites--which Jordan, a Muslim state, already enjoy sovereignty over :)

Oh so now they don't have any interest but in the Yom Kippur war and the 6 day war, they had absolutely no problem committing several hundred thousand troops to retake the region.



Whereas, Islamic World controls almost all major holy sites of Christendom, including historically important cities....but you don't see any Christian-majority nation "taking on" Muslims for that, do you? LOL.

World doesn't work that way no more bruh..no more crusades.

LOL who the phuck cares. No one's going to start a war over some 2,000 year old ruins. The only thing that's important to the EU is that Israel control Jerusalem.



Nice way to spin it. Doesn't change the fact that Turkey has much more area of Europe under control than Israel has Muslim area under control.

Moreover, Turkey conquered European lands and kept it. Israel needed U.N to get a small, tiny state in Muslim area.

It's not spin, Turkey was founded on theft and genocide. This whole land occupation thing seems to be a d*ck measuring contest for you but I'll restate again, it's not about the quantity of land that you occupy, it's about the quality of life. The fact that you occupy a part of southern Europe doesn't change the fact that you have one of the lowest per capita G*** on the continent. So congrats, you occupy a crap load of stolen land that you have no ability to fully utilize.

You can talk sh*t about Israel all you want, the Israelis are 3x more productive than the Turks, the quality of life is better and unlike the Turks, you don't have hundreds of thousands of Israelis doing everything they can to sneak into Austria or Germany so they can shine shoes or clean hotels for a living.



North Africa used to be "Roman" ....

Face the facts: Islamic Civilization destroyed Roman-European civilization in North Africa, Levant, and Syria..and permanently eradicated it. Islamic World, from 7th century to early 18th century, remained the most dominant cultural, economic, and military civilization of the planet..the superpowers of human race (although there was some pauses here and there). West only took this position from Islamic World post industrialization (i.e, in 18th century) and maintains it till today.

The Romans were long gone from North Africa by the time the Mohammedan savages came to occupy it. Your argument is invalid. And again, occupying large areas of densely populated land with low economic output means absolutely nothing.



Your argument of "oh you didn't face real military" is nothing but pure farce. Back then, England wasn't "real military power" of Europe. In 13th/14th centuries, it were Mediterranean civilizations that were the best offer from Europe (in culture, arts, and power)..and Islamic World conquered them completely and established dominance over East Mediterranean sea.

Yet you came all the way to Austria/Croatia and got stopped dead in your tracks. The epicenter of European civilization has always been Rome and then later it transferred to Germania. The Eastern Empire was not of same importance, which is why it did not get as much help as did Austria when the eastern savages came to the gates.



Pick 15th century, can you show me any civilization that could match Islamic World in economy, power, global spread in old world, and military might? Anyone? Answer: None.

The Ming Dynasty, in China, which you have obviously never read about. But I have to LOL at the fact that you have to go back 600 years. Pick the 18th - 21st century, what has the Islamic world done during this time, when it actually matters? Answer: LOL



I'm very well versed in history and have studied at university that comes under top ten public institutes in the United States.

Lets be adults and talk on facts, not on our own biases.


Hardly, you're just some guy who bought into the propaganda of his Imam about the greatness of Islamic civilization.



Go google Muslim populations of London, Birminghim, Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris, Brussels, Istanbul, and so on. ALL major capitals and industrial centers of Europe have Muslim populations ranging from 8% to 15% ....

For example, London is 12.3% ....

You're going into individual cities, as a whole they represent no more than 3-5% of the population.



Wrong and utterly biased loaded view.

Oxford graduated, English speaking, U.K born and bread, very sophisticated journalist like Mehdi Hassan is a perfect example of European Muslim.

A quote from Mr. Hasan

Mr Mehdi Hasan, biographer of Labour leader Ed Miliband, can be found on YouTube saying as follows: ‘The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.’

On a separate occasion, jabbing his finger as he speaks with some force, Mr Hasan is recorded as saying: ‘Once we lose the moral high-ground we are no different from the rest of the non-Muslims; from the rest of those human beings who live their lives as animals, bending any rule to fulfil any desire.’

He is a wolf in sheep's clothing, clearly anti-western and a prime example of why one cannot be Muslim and European at the same time. Like most Muslims, in public he pretends to be secular but as soon as he's in a room of his fellow Muslim ilk, he starts talking about the Kafir and his inborn hatred comes out of the woodwork.

Mr. Hasan will be among the first to be rounded up when the purge comes.



Welcome to 21st century, dear. It is the age of globalization and increasing diversity. We no longer live in dark ages, if you haven't noticed.

Diversity in Europe is NOT "threat" ...it is the future, EVERYWHERE on globe!!!

Islamic Civilization has already established itself in Europe. What you want to do? What do you suggest?

Mass murder of 35 million to 45 million peoples in Europe?!!!

You can spout Marxist propaganda all that you want, it still won't change the reality around you today. The 21st century will be a revolutionary period for Europe, a final lesson in the shortcomings of multiculturalism. Most Europeans appear to be in the dark at the moment, unwary of the threats around them. But the tension is starting to peak and once it hits that peak, all of your sins and the sins of your forefathers will be repaid at a moment's notice. If you think that mass murdering 35 - 45 million people is bad, then you should read about the second world war when Europe's total population was a fraction of what it is today. Although it will probably not result in mass murder, it will more likely be mass deportations. And neither Turkey nor anyone else will be able to do sh*t about it.

That is all that there is to say here. You can disagree with it all you want but I don't write here to convince you of anything, this is for a larger audience.


Good post, it is important not to generalize all Turks. A lot of them are very upset with the current direction the government is heading in.

Unfortunately, in our slavish devotion to democracy, we have let AKP do whatever they want, even when it violates the rights of the people they rule. We should have been applying diplomatic pressure to topple the AKP a long time ago.

That's the downside to democracy, it's much like a lottery, especially during harsh economic times.

TurkBrah
02-23-2015, 09:54 AM
Good post, it is important not to generalize all Turks. A lot of them are very upset with the current direction the government is heading in.

Unfortunately, in our slavish devotion to democracy, we have let AKP do whatever they want, even when it violates the rights of the people they rule. We should have been applying diplomatic pressure to topple the AKP a long time ago.

Who is this "We" that you speak of?



Igmann you sound like a butthurt greek/armenian. Have really had enough of your kind's crys.

Your first step to acceptance of inferiority would be to stop quoting what arabs and africans has to say about muslims/islam in reference to things related to Turks/Turkey. It is more insulting than your general bashing of the glorious days of OE. History tales are facts, yours are opinion of a faceless gunhelding phaggot in the middle of no where.

ZenBowman
02-23-2015, 09:56 AM
That's the downside to democracy, it's much like a lottery, especially during harsh economic times.

The major downside in Turkey is that the religious theocrats (AKP supporters) are simply outbreeding the secular and modern minded ones.

Tekkendo
02-23-2015, 10:18 AM
Erdogan once said that democracy is like a bus. You take the bus to get to where you want to go and you get off the bus.


That is why democracy has a hard time flourishing in muslim societies. The extremists will seek to hijack it, and then ban all future election. Eg. Hamas has banned all future elections in Gaza.

ZenBowman
02-23-2015, 10:27 AM
Erdogan once said that democracy is like a bus. You take the bus to get to where you want to go and you get off the bus.


Exactly. Makes no sense that we are allying with Turkey to oust Assad, when Erdogan is a far greater threat to peace and freedom than Assad.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-oew-serdar28mar28-story.html


One does not need statistics or surveys to know that the AKP is bad for freedom and women's rights. Its origins are deeply Islamist, starting with Prime Minister and AKP member Recep Tayyip Erdogan. In 1994, Erdogan was quoted as saying, "Thank God almighty, I am a servant of Sharia." Years ago, he was reported to have argued that women shouldn't hold elected office, and he used to refrain from shaking hands with women because he considered it a sin.


As mayor of a major Turkish city, he described himself as "the imam of Istanbul" and once compared democracy to a tram: "You ride it until you arrive at your destination, then you step off." And as prime minister, he tried to make adultery a crime, has appointed Islamists to key positions and has favored Islamic schools. In his keynote speech several weeks ago to mark International Women's Day, Erdogan advised that all women should give birth to three children. Thus, Erdogan's savvy use of human rights rhetoric to insist on allowing head scarves in public universities is a flash point for secularists' fears of insidious subjugation.

It is clear as day what he is doing. Brainwash children from birth, get religious women to have more children, and the stage is set to turn Turkey into another Afghanistan.


In recent years, some U.S. officials have described Turkey as a country of "moderate Islam." Unfortunately the U.S. -- with its compelling need to see a successful democracy in a Muslim nation -- has been supporting Erdogan and the AKP, and is unwittingly watching one of the few successful secular democracies in the Middle East slowly disintegrate.


Our desire to "prove" that we can spread democracy successfully in that part of the world is so great, that we are willing to let Turkey be annihilated in the process.

Tekkendo
02-23-2015, 10:34 AM
Exactly. Makes no sense that we are allying with Turkey to oust Assad, when Erdogan is a far greater threat to peace and freedom than Assad.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-oew-serdar28mar28-story.html



It is clear as day what he is doing. Brainwash children from birth, get religious women to have more children, and the stage is set to turn Turkey into another Afghanistan.



Our desire to "prove" that we can spread democracy successfully in that part of the world is so great, that we are willing to let Turkey be annihilated in the process.

It is a true tragedy that it has come to this: A brutal mass murderer still > insane murderous religious fanatics.

Anondragon2012
02-23-2015, 11:31 AM
With the budding of neo-nazis, anti-Muslim sentiment is increasing. There are 30+ million Muslims in mainland Europe. By 2030, there'd be near 40 million Muslims in mainland Europe (near 60 million if Russia included). I expect Europe to go to the right, but Turkey's presence will make sure that things don't blow up.

Jewish people had no teeth..look what ultra right of Europe did to them. Islamic Peoples, on the other hand, are a global people and a global civilization with an history of remaining military and economic superpowers of/around the world for ~1000 years! Now, Islamic Civilization has spread to every corner of Earth and has established itself physically in the heart of Europe! This, offcourse, creates some trouble--as globalization has created everywhere. But the ultra-right of Europe is trying to exploit this sentiment to come back to power and will not mind genocide of minorities across Europe (Muslims specially) if that fulfills the purpose.

We must not let rightist european neo-nazis to commit a holocaust of Muslims of Europe (God forbid) as this will mark the end of humanity as we know it, since it will turn into a global war in a nuclear age. A massive Turkish military presence on European mainland will make sure that any punny neo-nazi wanna be's don't think about mass genocide of Muslims, since they'll have to face the wrath of Turks.

PS, poor jews were like 0.06% of Germany..less 1.3% of whole Europe...There are 45 million Muslims already and, in coming decades, 10% of Europe would be Muslims. Doing a genocide against 10% of your own population is nothing but complete economic, cultural, and social suicide...so Turkey's presence will ensure stability in Europe as well.

Next 20, 30 years are important. By 2040, Islamic Civilization would be integrated fully with Europe and will become an inevitable part of Europe--with tens of millions of Muslim Europeans across Europe, thousands of mosques, halal food places, hijabs on European universities, and so on (this process is already there. But needs consolidation). By this time, hopefully, Islamic extremism would have died down as well.

So ultra-right has next two decades to exploit people's emotions/fears and come to power...but with Turkish military present---ultra-right would not be able to complete its goals.

Therefore, Turkish's military buildup is something that is really important for peace and stability in entire region.

Lmao.
So Turkey is spending some cash on its army because of right wing European parties...And to...Protect muslims in Europe?
Whatever medicine you are taking, stop it man.

By the way alot of this shiny equipment like the Leopard tanks come from the Reich and Germany was always allied with Turkey since WW1 era.

All jokes aside Turkey is maybe spending on its military because it sucks and because ISIS and bad guys are on their doorsteps.
Btw the bad guys are Muslims...who probably dont like the government in Ankara too much.

God you are a fcking idiot.



I am an American!

Ok the behavior makes sense now lmao
Back to the books they missed in US Highschool, its better 4 you

FP7
02-23-2015, 11:50 AM
Hey Fedex, who exactly is going to wipe Israel off the face of the planet if they declare war on Islam? Iran? Pakistan? Turkey?

Igmann
02-23-2015, 05:53 PM
The major downside in Turkey is that the religious theocrats (AKP supporters) are simply outbreeding the secular and modern minded ones.

That unfortunately appears to be the case in many countries. Iran was at one point very modernized and IMO, they were better off under the Shah than under anyone else up to that point in recent history. The theocrats simply outbreed the secularists and now you have a situation where there's really no hope for that country to revert to its former glory. Religion has a tendency to do that, it spreads like a cancer and leaves ruin where ever it passes through.



Igmann you sound like a butthurt greek/armenian. Have really had enough of your kind's crys.

Your first step to acceptance of inferiority would be to stop quoting what arabs and africans has to say about muslims/islam in reference to things related to Turks/Turkey. It is more insulting than your general bashing of the glorious days of OE. History tales are facts, yours are opinion of a faceless gunhelding phaggot in the middle of no where.

Arabs, Africans, Turks... same thing. Except Africans are physically superior.

And I can't take any comment about inferiority seriously from a manlet.

BadMonkeyFunker
02-23-2015, 06:30 PM
Go watch vice's documentary and see how Turks treat Syrian refugees. Charge 10X for a dark mold infested basement. Burn kids face because he's syrian, sell syrian girls to pimps.. Ha!

If you think Turks will drop everything and run for islamotards help in EU, I have a bridge to sell you..

ONtop888
02-23-2015, 06:33 PM
Exactly. Makes no sense that we are allying with Turkey to oust Assad, when Erdogan is a far greater threat to peace and freedom than Assad.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-oew-serdar28mar28-story.html



It is clear as day what he is doing. Brainwash children from birth, get religious women to have more children, and the stage is set to turn Turkey into another Afghanistan.



Our desire to "prove" that we can spread democracy successfully in that part of the world is so great, that we are willing to let Turkey be annihilated in the process.This. Assad, as chitty as he is, would be a far better ally than Erdogan.

ONtop888
02-23-2015, 06:35 PM
Go watch vice's documentary and see how Turks treat Syrian refugees. Charge 10X for a dark mold infested basement. Burn kids face because he's syrian, sell syrian girls to pimps.. Ha!

If you think Turks will drop everything and run for islamotards help in EU, I have a bridge to sell you..Source for abuse of Syrian refugees? Will rep.

BadMonkeyFunker
02-23-2015, 06:45 PM
Source for abuse of Syrian refugees? Will rep.

http://youtu.be/6aBCsCWEWYY

starts around 2:00

Sexual exploitation of Syrian women and children is increasing
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21604213-sexual-exploitation-syrian-women-and-children-increasing-risk

TurkBrah
02-23-2015, 07:54 PM
http://youtu.be/6aBCsCWEWYY

starts around 2:00

Sexual exploitation of Syrian women and children is increasing
http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21604213-sexual-exploitation-syrian-women-and-children-increasing-risk

The thing is, no one will take them. only reason phaggotdogan took them is for votes. He gave full citizenship to the Syrians within 6months of crossing border. Hes feeding these refugees instead of his own countrymen.

BadMonkeyFunker
02-23-2015, 08:10 PM
The thing is, no one will take them. only reason phaggotdogan took them is for votes. He gave full citizenship to the Syrians within 6months of crossing border. Hes feeding these refugees instead of his own countrymen.


Yup. Your average Turk on the street want nothing to do with refugees or muslims in some neighboring sht hole.
Turkey needs another Ataturk.

Fedex01
02-24-2015, 01:47 AM
Hey Fedex, who exactly is going to wipe Israel off the face of the planet if they declare war on Islam? Iran? Pakistan? Turkey?

United States and West.

Do you know the amount of Islamic investments in Western World in the form of endowment funds, sovereign wealth funds, and so on?

They go in TRILLIONS!!!!

Any widespread instability in Saudi Arab, Kuwait, UAE etc. will cause havoc in West financially and globally in oil markets...

Israel is too small to make any war on "Islam" ....It will be wiped out completely if it ever literally takes up arms against 1/4 of humanity

SiegetankIV
02-24-2015, 01:48 AM
The thing is, no one will take them. only reason phaggotdogan took them is for votes. He gave full citizenship to the Syrians within 6months of crossing border. Hes feeding these refugees instead of his own countrymen.
Sorry brah but white turks are an increasingly rare breed to find in Turkey, possibly limited to Ankara and some affluent quarters of Istanbul. But in the latter the new-rich anatolian followers of the AKP are becoming increasingly more common, not to speak of the masses in the "slums" that allways have followed their shoeshine-boy now made President aka. Sultan.

Fedex01
02-24-2015, 02:41 AM
Lets come back towards the topic which is Turkish Military strength and its importance to keep stability in Eastern and Central Europe.

Islamic Civilization has established itself, physically, in European heartlands. And even all you folks have accepted that I guess.

So we all agree that there will be no Hitler II, and that Turkish Military might will be ever present to stop any Hitler II from rising...

And that Islam is now a reality in Europe. A permanent reality.

iHateDeadlifts
07-15-2016, 01:20 PM
well they just said fak it, and decided to dump their PM.

Convergent
07-15-2016, 10:34 PM
well they just said fak it, and decided to dump their PM.

*some

Skythes
07-15-2016, 10:58 PM
United States and West.

Do you know the amount of Islamic investments in Western World in the form of endowment funds, sovereign wealth funds, and so on?

They go in TRILLIONS!!!!

Any widespread instability in Saudi Arab, Kuwait, UAE etc. will cause havoc in West financially and globally in oil markets...

Israel is too small to make any war on "Islam" ....It will be wiped out completely if it ever literally takes up arms against 1/4 of humanity

Lmfao the nuttiest thing you've ever said, just rofl at thinking muslims have even close to a fraction of the hold jews have on the west

Pure delusion

BrightThru2014
07-16-2016, 05:35 AM
Dude Turkey can't even take care of Assad or protect Turkmen in Syria/Iraq, you are delusional if you think they would attack Europe to protect Muslims, especially Arabs who they look down upon