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sergisamper
02-04-2015, 09:47 AM
Mariota, JFF, Tebow all greatest college players were not top recruits.

YWOC
02-04-2015, 09:49 AM
shhh let the SEC peasants get excited about their over hyped draft classes. it's all they have left

DeshaunWatson
02-04-2015, 09:51 AM
ITT: OP's CFB team is USF

waytoodeep03
02-04-2015, 11:35 AM
OP has a point

edelman was 2 star QB
Brady and Wilson were 3 star QBs
Brown was a 2 star

All have a super bowl rings.

tdnick
02-04-2015, 11:38 AM
Peyton Manning

/thread

tsbalr120
02-04-2015, 11:43 AM
Tebow was a 5* if I remember correctly

neighborr
02-04-2015, 11:44 AM
there are certainly times where the recruiting sites don't get it right.

But just because someone is successful in the NFL, doesn't mean they were underrated out of HS.

They could've worked their asses off in college and then again in the NFL.

More often than not, however, the recruiting sites DO get it right.

waytoodeep03
02-04-2015, 12:20 PM
Winston was a 5*

Swept
02-04-2015, 02:49 PM
Tebow and Manziel were highly recruited

Theirs a reason Alabama and FSU are constantly in these big bowl games, they recruit better than everyone else.

TBREEZIE03
02-04-2015, 02:50 PM
Tebow was like 15th in the country in HS lol

DeshaunWatson
02-04-2015, 02:55 PM
Tebow was like 15th in the country in HS lol

He lead his team to the playoffs in the NFL too

thelast10
02-04-2015, 02:59 PM
there are certainly times where the recruiting sites don't get it right.

But just because someone is successful in the NFL, doesn't mean they were underrated out of HS.

They could've worked their asses off in college and then again in the NFL.

More often than not, however, the recruiting sites DO get it right.

That plus these guys are 17-18 while deciding what school... Still time for a growth spurt and 3-4 years of (more than likely) the best training and nutrition/supplements they've ever came close to accessing... It's no wonder some of these kids put on like 8-10lbs in 1 1/2 months (Obv. not all muscle) but still you have insane training facilities at these big programs so they can just train, take a few easy classes, practice, meals throughout the day, supplement cocktails they never would've thought of before hand... It still comes down to wanting it bad enough, hard work, and going to a program that will develop your skill set as best as possible for the next level.

BigDawg69
02-04-2015, 03:26 PM
there may be a few diamonds in the rough and there may be a few busts, but stats don't lie. All the teams that are competitive consistently have the best recruiting classes.
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AreolaBorealis
02-04-2015, 03:54 PM
It's cringe as fuk brb a bunch of 50 year old guys jerking off to the thought of some highschool kid playing for the college they went to 30 years ago

MontelWilliams
02-04-2015, 04:08 PM
I think they said on ESPN last night that no player in Super Bowl 49 was a 5* recruit

ESPN hype machine gonna hype

BatteryBro42
02-04-2015, 04:18 PM
Mariota, JFF, Tebow all greatest college players were not top recruits.

Your right OP Tebow only had a one hour special on ESPN to announce his commitment

BatteryBro42
02-04-2015, 04:34 PM
I think they said on ESPN last night that no player in Super Bowl 49 was a 5* recruit

ESPN hype machine gonna hype

It's truely staggering how many 5 stars end up getting in trouble and never make it through school. I looked at all of UF'S 5 stars over the last 10 years. Half make it to the league, the other half end up getting kicked out of school, dead, or transfer. Florida in 2006 had 5 of them I think. One of them ended up being a murderer, another one overdosed and died. These kids are given too much too soon.

I would have loved to see Byron Cowart at UF, but after the **** he pulled today, I won't be suprised if he flames out at Auburn at the first hint of adversity.

UF only had one 5 star last year Gerald Willis, perfect example of the arrogance these high profile guys had. He got into 3 separate fights with teammates, one including a fight right out in front of the damn stadium, then he pushed Winston on the sideline. He's been kicked off the team twice already, but is so damn talented they have kept him. Not sure if he will be on the streets in two years, or he is the next Suh, kid is one bad mother ****er.

It's possible to have too much of a good thing...It's what happened to Meyer during his last days at UF. The team was so damn talented you had Freshman fighting with Seniors because they believed they deserved playing time, they were all superstars and the egos couldn't be tamed, the team divided, and everything went to hell. I see Meyer doing the same thing at Ohio State he's almost got too much talent, to many loose cannons, and I'm not sure he has the mental capacity to heard all of those guys. Saban is the best because it doesn't matter how good you are, he will put you in your place, very rarely do you hear about kids acting up at Alabama.

Meyer's style of coaching is great for immediate success because he rewards players by bringing them into the "circle of trust" where they get preferential treatment. Problems arise when you start bringing in 5 star recruits, and they have to deal with being treated as a peasant watching guys they view as inferior get all the special treatment. I fear for Urban he's building another beast, the rise is easy, maintaining it is the hard part. Pray for him (srs)

911medic
02-04-2015, 05:05 PM
It's cringe as fuk brb a bunch of 50 year old guys jerking off to the thought of some highschool kid playing for the college they went to 30 years agooh, you mean the schools that we graduated from, have our kids go to, send money to alumni organizations, and have supported in one way or another all their lives? Ok.

BioDiver
02-04-2015, 05:06 PM
But OP, I need A&M to have a defense next year.

That being said, National Signing Day has turned into a fiasco and is incredibly overblown.

OatmealPopTart
02-04-2015, 06:33 PM
It's cringe as fuk brb a bunch of 50 year old guys jerking off to the thought of some highschool kid playing for the college they went to 30 years ago
Your ponytail is cringe as fuk

woody19
02-04-2015, 07:25 PM
I think they said on ESPN last night that no player in Super Bowl 49 was a 5* recruit

ESPN hype machine gonna hype

Brb filling my team with 2 stars. The percentage of five stars in a given year is about 15-30, there are 120+ teams all recruiting 25 players each year. Boise and oregons (recruit In top 25 most years)of the world are the exception not the rule. Recruiting big time players is a proven way of building idling a great school. 3 of the 4 teams all have great success on the recruiting front

JMath
02-04-2015, 07:30 PM
oh, you mean the schools that we graduated from, have our kids go to, send money to alumni organizations, and have supported in one way or another all their lives? Ok.

Yes. Those schools. It's much less cringeworthy to jerk off to the thought of that same 18 year old kid 3 years later playing for the NFL team you cheer for because they're the most geographically convenient professional team to you, but that you otherwise have no affiliation with.

DeshaunWatson
02-04-2015, 07:32 PM
Yes. Those schools. It's much less cringeworthy to jerk off to the thought of that same 18 year old kid 3 years later playing for the NFL team you cheer for because they're the most geographically convenient professional team to you, but that you otherwise have no affiliation with.


yeah definitely cringeworthy seeing people masturbate to NFL teams when they have no affiliation to the team.

Heaney
02-04-2015, 07:35 PM
Alabama top class 4 years in a row, 2 national championships

Ohio State #2 then #3 class back to back, national championship

But rankings don't matter

fsujoseph
02-04-2015, 07:37 PM
Jameis Winston 5 star baby. Going to be replaced by the next generational talent Malik Henry 2016

metafour
02-04-2015, 07:45 PM
Here is the problem with the stupid "so-and-so star player was a 3-star, therefore recruiting rankings don't matter" argument:

One player isn't going to win you ****. There are 22 starters on a football team and backups/depth that come into play. The point is that a 5-star recruit is still considerably more likely to be an above-average (or better) player than your run of the mill 3-star recruit, so even if your mid-tier team gets lucky and hits on a 3-star that ends up being elite, the reality is that the rest of your team is still likely average at best in overall talent and therefore you still lose to a team like Alabama/Ohio State/etc. that can pump out handfuls of great players because they recruit at an elite level every year.

Any random school can get lucky and have some 2-star/3-star become an elite player; but you need way more than just one player to compete for a National Championship, hence why every winner in recent times has had at least one ~Top 5 ranked class in the 3-4 years prior to them actually winning the title. Recruiting rankings matter because you need a LOT of good players to actually compete for the ultimate goal, and in general "elite recruits" are better players than your kid who's best offers are Western Kentucky, Ball State, and Iowa State.

You want the perfect example? OT Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick in the 2013 Draft out of Central Michigan. A small-time recruit at a small-time school who turned out to be a star. You know how Central Michigan as a TEAM fared in his final season? They went 7-6 and only 4-4 in the mid-major MAC conference. Even with a #1 overall NFL talent they couldn't run through their mid-major football conference. They played Michigan State that season and got smashed 41-7. One players means nothing.

metafour
02-04-2015, 07:54 PM
OP has a point

edelman was 2 star QB
Brady and Wilson were 3 star QBs
Brown was a 2 star

All have a super bowl rings.

The NFL has the luxury of picking and choosing the best of the best and building long-term. In college you've got 3-4 years with most kids before you have to bring entirely new ones in.

How many NCAA championships did Edelman, Brady, Wilson, etc. win? Zero, thats how many.

As a collegiate player being a "3-star" or even "2-star" isn't going to prevent you from making the NFL, or even becoming an NFL star. As a collegiate TEAM however if you are fielding a roster filled with 2 and 3-stars you have virtually zero chance of ever winning a National Championship, or even coming close quite frankly. That is why recruiting rankings matter.

thirdeye82
02-04-2015, 07:56 PM
There were no (ZERO) five star recruits on either team in this years Super Bowl. Not one.

/thread

metafour
02-04-2015, 08:13 PM
There were no (ZERO) five star recruits on either team in this years Super Bowl. Not one.

/thread

There are only ~30-35 players ranked as "5-stars" on average per signing class; it isn't that out of the ordinary that none would be present in a game between just two NFL teams. Work the numbers out, you've got ~30 5-stars per class and literally hundreds of 3-stars or below. Besides, that whole statistic is completely anecdotal. Marshawn Lynch was ranked 28th in the nation out of HS by Rivals and by today's standards that is virtually a 5-star as the sites have since then started handing out a few more 5-star ratings per year. Vince Wilfork would also be one that was probably right there on the "edge" of 5-star status as he was an elite recruit coming into Miami.

The point is; as an individual trying to make the NFL, the star rankings aren't the end all be all. As a collegiate TEAM; they absolutely matter...a lot. It is the reason why you see Ohio State, Alabama, Florida State, and Oregon competing for the title and NOT Western Kentucky, Miami of Ohio, Furman, and Delaware.

Krunk Fu
02-04-2015, 08:14 PM
Mariota, JFF, Tebow all greatest college players were not top recruits.

Greatest all time? Good trolling lmaoo


Look at the rest of the team aside from a couple players bruh. You think it's a coincidence that the CFB Champions in the last decade had been in the top 10 consistently, if not top 5, in recruiting?

In the CFB Playoff, aside from Oregon, OSU/FSU/BAMA were all top 10 the previous years leading up to it in recruiting.

2011 (OSU didn't even have a real head coach lol): Bama #1, FSU #2, OSU #7
2012: Bama #1, FSU #3, OSU #5
2013: Bama #1, OSU #2, FSU #10


But you're right OP, recruiting doesn't matter.

Also, good coaches and programs also have the ability to scout (3*)talent better, and develop players.


There were no (ZERO) five star recruits on either team in this years Super Bowl. Not one.

/thread

Such an irrelevant comment. I can't believe this is even a debate. We're talking college football. There are much more 4, 3 and 2 star athletes in college, disproportionately. Of course you aren't going to see a ton of 5* athletes, at any level of play on the field at any time in most circumstances.

And here's a fun fact:

"In the past three NFL drafts, players from Florida, Texas, California, Georgia and Ohio made up 47.3% of the 763 players selected. In 2013, the percentage was 51.3%."

thirdeye82
02-04-2015, 08:25 PM
Such an irrelevant comment. I can't believe this is even a debate. We're talking college football.

I don't know if you knew this... but almost all NFL players came from college... and *gasp* before they were recruited they were given a "star rating."

TheThrill1
02-04-2015, 08:26 PM
The NFL has the luxury of picking and choosing the best of the best and building long-term. In college you've got 3-4 years with most kids before you have to bring entirely new ones in.

How many NCAA championships did Edelman, Brady, Wilson, etc. win? Zero, thats how many.

As a collegiate player being a "3-star" or even "2-star" isn't going to prevent you from making the NFL, or even becoming an NFL star. As a collegiate TEAM however if you are fielding a roster filled with 2 and 3-stars you have virtually zero chance of ever winning a National Championship, or even coming close quite frankly. That is why recruiting rankings matter.

Lol Brady actually does have a NC.

metafour
02-04-2015, 08:30 PM
There are much more 4, 3 and 2 star athletes in college, disproportionately. Of course you aren't going to see a ton of 5* athletes, at any level of play on the field at any time in most circumstances.

Exactly. There have been studies done on the NFL draft percentages as well: you are much more likely to end up drafted/in the NFL as a 5-star than you are as a 3-star recruit. The reason why you have so many 3-star or below HS recruits in the NFL is because there is a disproportionately larger number of them, as you accurately mentioned.

Its a retarded argument. Its like saying "Oh yeah? Brady was a 6th round pick, that means that the Draft is pointless" when clearly a 1st round pick is considerably more likely to pan out into a good NFL player than a 6th round pick.

metafour
02-04-2015, 08:31 PM
Lol Brady actually does have a NC.

You're right; while sitting on the bench.

Krunk Fu
02-04-2015, 08:32 PM
I don't know if you knew this... but almost all NFL players came from college... and *gasp* before they were recruited they were given a "star rating."

You're an idiot dude. Read my post again and then read below. It hurts my brain trying to talk to bruh's like you


Exactly. There have been studies done on the NFL draft percentages as well: you are much more likely to end up drafted/in the NFL as a 5-star than you are as a 3-star recruit. The reason why you have so many 3-star or below HS recruits in the NFL is because there is a disproportionately larger number of them, as you accurately mentioned.

Its a retarded argument. Its like saying "Oh yeah? Brady was a 6th round pick, that means that the Draft is pointless" when clearly a 1st round pick is considerably more likely to pan out into a good NFL player than a 6th round pick.

metafour
02-04-2015, 08:35 PM
I don't know if you knew this... but almost all NFL players came from college... and *gasp* before they were recruited they were given a "star rating."

Yes, but the whole point of "Team Recruiting Rankings" is to determine which collegiate team signed the best overall COLLECTION of players, because the best overall COLLECTION of players is what is ultimately going to lead you to competing for a National Championship.

When the NFL drafts and signs collegiate players they pick and choose from the whole landscape individually. The outcome? A ****ty school can get lucky and produce an NFL player out of a lowly-rated recruit, however, that hardly means that they were competitive as a team nationally. Case in point: Eric Fisher drafted #1 overall, meanwhile his team finished only 4-4 in the lowly MAC conference and 7-6 total in his final season.

TheThrill1
02-04-2015, 08:36 PM
You're right; while sitting on the bench.
Still has one. He was sitting on the bench for awhile too before he won the SB.

metafour
02-04-2015, 08:45 PM
Still has one. He was sitting on the bench for awhile too before he won the SB.

Yeah, he has one, but the whole point of even bringing him up in this discussion is due to his NFL achievements as a PLAYER. He was like 3rd-4th string when Michigan won the title. While he has an NCAA championship technically, lets not pretend that he actually did anything to earn it.

TheThrill1
02-04-2015, 08:56 PM
Yeah, he has one, but the whole point of even bringing him up in this discussion is due to his NFL achievements as a PLAYER. He was like 3rd-4th string when Michigan won the title. While he has an NCAA championship technically, lets not pretend that he actually did anything to earn it.
2nd. But let's just act like the practice squad isn't important.

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