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CJ3304
01-11-2015, 07:40 AM
Mornin Ladies and Gents,

Couple questions:

1.) The dosage between USPLabs SuperCissus (1600mg Cissus Quadrangularis (Stem) Extract) and Iforce Joint Help (1,000mg Cissus Quadrangularis (whole plant): Standardized For 10% Total Ketosterones) clearly differs. Im not trying to start an argument between any company reps, but Whole Plant VS Stem and 1600mg VS 1000mg - In true noob fashion, "How am i to know which is a better formula?" Any reasoning behind the numbers?

2.) Has anyone used Joint Help while having tendinitis in the elbow? If so, how were the results for you?

I know all about "resting the injury" and "talking to your doctor" etc etc - but i just wanted some input from people in the fitness world as far as any other bits of advice or ideas as far as this situation.

Other Info:

Here's the Issue- I have BOTH Medial/Lateral Tendinitis in both of my elbows. More prevalent in left arm than right as the right has seemed to subside a bit.

I do some stretches to keep the forearm loose as well as use a foam roller or lacrosse ball to roll out the area.
I also wear a BandIT strap on each forearm (as seen in my photo) to help elevate some pain. Im soon going to get compression cuffs from Mark Bell to replace these straps as they get a bit uncomfortable.

I was taking Controlled Labs Orange Triad and USP Labs Super Cissus and experienced some relief. Enough to actually start lifting heavy and feelin good during the workouts. I still experienced some soreness/stiffness/pain every now and again (not like it initially was, though) so I would take some Aleve (or Ibuprofin). The main issue here is that I donated a kidney and since then, the Doctors do not want me taking much of (if any) NSAIDs....which puts me at a bit of a dilemma here.


Aware me of the unknown....I'm ready for it (maybe haha - these forums can be pretty brutal at times)


MANY MANY Thanks in advance!

-CJ

StackedManZilla
01-11-2015, 08:05 AM
I'll leave it to a rep to answer your question, but I can vouch for Joint Help. It is one of the best Joint supplements on the market.

CJ3304
01-11-2015, 08:45 AM
I'll leave it to a rep to answer your question, but I can vouch for Joint Help. It is one of the best Joint supplements on the market.

Thanks for the input, Stacked!

CJ3304
01-11-2015, 11:04 AM
Mmmmm Bumpitty Bump Bump?

kbayne
01-11-2015, 11:07 AM
E-Pharm Joint Force worked wonders for my Bicep tendonitis. I always have a botte or two on hand in case of a flare up.

CJ3304
01-11-2015, 11:18 AM
E-Pharm Joint Force worked wonders for my Bicep tendonitis. I always have a botte or two on hand in case of a flare up.

Awesome - will def look into that! Thanks Kbayne. How's the pain relief, immediate or after a few applications/weeks?

kbayne
01-11-2015, 11:19 AM
Awesome - will def look into that! Thanks Kbayne. How's the pain relief, immediate or after a few applications/weeks?

I noticed relief instantly and continued with each application.

UncleWade
01-11-2015, 01:04 PM
Barring all of the normal, "talk to your doctor," and "see a specialist for exercise prescription and other rehabilitation," I can say that Joint Help is a lifesaver when it comes to pain. I was a rep for iForce from 2012 until very recently, and was fortunate to always have the stuff on hand during my first forays into powerlifting.

The cissus, as you have experienced, is some pretty good stuff. ParActin is ever better...it has cumulative benefits for relief and gets better, but it also has analgesic properties that help with pain relief from the get-go.

Outside of that, liniments like Toast Screamin' Hot, Jack's Blue Heat, and other things will help loosen it up. I also like light compression bands wrapped around the elbow for a warmup, and some light hammer curls and other biceps work to get them warmed up before pressing.

Hope this helps...if not, PM me and I'll try to get you to someone who will. Take it with a grain of salt, I am not a medical professional.

CJ3304
01-11-2015, 01:50 PM
Barring all of the normal, "talk to your doctor," and "see a specialist for exercise prescription and other rehabilitation," I can say that Joint Help is a lifesaver when it comes to pain. I was a rep for iForce from 2012 until very recently, and was fortunate to always have the stuff on hand during my first forays into powerlifting.

The cissus, as you have experienced, is some pretty good stuff. ParActin is ever better...it has cumulative benefits for relief and gets better, but it also has analgesic properties that help with pain relief from the get-go.

Outside of that, liniments like Toast Screamin' Hot, Jack's Blue Heat, and other things will help loosen it up. I also like light compression bands wrapped around the elbow for a warmup, and some light hammer curls and other biceps work to get them warmed up before pressing.

Hope this helps...if not, PM me and I'll try to get you to someone who will. Take it with a grain of salt, I am not a medical professional.

UncleWade - I do use BandIT straps, but as i mentioned, they get uncomfortable and so I think im going to move more towards a compression cuff for both areas. I also agree with the light curls before the workout begins. Ill try to light hammer curls, as i usually just do normal, light, supinated grip curls. I also bend my wrist back and stretch as well bending it down. After that I usually do some pronated and supinated rotation stretches. Nothin crazy - I'm pretty positive im gonna give Joint Health a go along with another bottle of Controlled Labs Orange Triad

Thanks for the help/Info!

VaughnTrue
01-11-2015, 04:08 PM
Comparing just the cissus in the products to be "which is better", leaves a lot to be desired when joint help contains a huge dose of paractin on top of that.

2g if cissus is a full dose, which JH provides(for 30 days). Add to that full dose anti inflammatory paractin and its a no brainer

CJ3304
01-11-2015, 04:32 PM
Comparing just the cissus in the products to be "which is better", leaves a lot to be desired when joint help contains a huge dose of paractin on top of that.

2g if cissus is a full dose, which JH provides(for 30 days). Add to that full dose anti inflammatory paractin and its a no brainer

Hey VaughnTrue -

thanks for the info. Thats actually what i was lookin for. how much a full dosage is. The ParActin anti-inflammatory is honestly what brought me to your product, so I'm extremely excited to give it a go and see what happens!

thedarce
01-11-2015, 06:07 PM
definitely give Joint help a try, I've been living with a torn meniscus for some time now and fish oil + Joint Help seem to be the only thing that keeps the inflammation down to the point that i can function normally.

XCriticalBenchX
01-11-2015, 09:58 PM
Barring all of the normal, "talk to your doctor," and "see a specialist for exercise prescription and other rehabilitation," I can say that Joint Help is a lifesaver when it comes to pain. I was a rep for iForce from 2012 until very recently, and was fortunate to always have the stuff on hand during my first forays into powerlifting.

The cissus, as you have experienced, is some pretty good stuff. ParActin is ever better...it has cumulative benefits for relief and gets better, but it also has analgesic properties that help with pain relief from the get-go.

Outside of that, liniments like Toast Screamin' Hot, Jack's Blue Heat, and other things will help loosen it up. I also like light compression bands wrapped around the elbow for a warmup, and some light hammer curls and other biceps work to get them warmed up before pressing.

Hope this helps...if not, PM me and I'll try to get you to someone who will. Take it with a grain of salt, I am not a medical professional.

This, pretty much covers it. Joint Help includes paractin for immediate pain relief which people love.

Mike

or_yourlivingtodie
01-11-2015, 11:32 PM
Hey VaughnTrue -

thanks for the info. Thats actually what i was lookin for. how much a full dosage is. The ParActin anti-inflammatory is honestly what brought me to your product, so I'm extremely excited to give it a go and see what happens!

Coop did a solid review for us way-back-when using Paractin, if you want to check it out >> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=143310573

CJ3304
01-12-2015, 08:02 AM
Coop did a solid review for us way-back-when using Paractin, if you want to check it out >> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=143310573

Nice - thanks for that link or_yourlivingtodie - will definitely read that review today!

Thanks for all the input everyone - very much appreciated

-CJ

naturalguy
01-12-2015, 08:07 AM
You need to fix what is causing your issue. A lot of the time it is caused by a muscular imbalance. I battled golfer's elbow for a year until a good doctor told me this. He had me do wrist curls (both ways) 3 x per week, 3 sets 12-15 reps (light) and in two weeks I was almost 100% better.

CJ3304
01-12-2015, 09:02 AM
You need to fix what is causing your issue. A lot of the time it is caused by a muscular imbalance. I battled golfer's elbow for a year until a good doctor told me this. He had me do wrist curls (both ways) 3 x per week, 3 sets 12-15 reps (light) and in two weeks I was almost 100% better.

NaturalGuy - Thanks for chimin in brotha. I was doin those way earlier when this first occurred, but fell off as they started to become a little better. I guess i should have kept going until the pain had completely subsided haha. Along with those I was wrapping a resistance band around my fist (again, light) and rotating outward and inward. Both about 3 sets of 15...super controlled and deliberate through then entire motion. The plan was to start implementing both of those back into the training sessions this week again, like you said, about 3 x per week.

Keep kickin ass man! Thanks again,

-CJ

andrewwww
01-12-2015, 09:04 AM
I had my best results from Animal FLEX + CISSUS.

Finding the Root of the problem is going to be the hardest problem here.

naturalguy
01-12-2015, 09:16 AM
NaturalGuy - Thanks for chimin in brotha. I was doin those way earlier when this first occurred, but fell off as they started to become a little better. I guess i should have kept going until the pain had completely subsided haha. Along with those I was wrapping a resistance band around my fist (again, light) and rotating outward and inward. Both about 3 sets of 15...super controlled and deliberate through then entire motion. The plan was to start implementing both of those back into the training sessions this week again, like you said, about 3 x per week.

Keep kickin ass man! Thanks again,

-CJ

Yeah, I still do them at least once a week and it hasn't come back. Hope you get that healed up soon

XCriticalBenchX
01-14-2015, 11:31 PM
Coop did a solid review for us way-back-when using Paractin, if you want to check it out >> http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=143310573

Good post, I forgot about that one!

Mike

blokpost
01-15-2015, 02:04 AM
I haven't tried these products, but animal flex & formutech flexible (last time it didn't work so well) do wonders for me. My elbow hurts pretty much during bb curls without them.

XCriticalBenchX
01-16-2015, 09:10 PM
I haven't tried these products, but animal flex & formutech flexible (last time it didn't work so well) do wonders for me. My elbow hurts pretty much during bb curls without them.

Make sure you treat it with therapy in addition to supplements though with stretch, massage, etc. Do not rely on long term support via supplements.

Mike