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Youppi
11-12-2014, 11:30 AM
The Worst

Offense
QB- Blake Bortles, -26.7 grade (JAX)
WR1- Riley Cooper, -11.5 grade (PHI)
WR2- Hakeem Nicks, -9.6 grade (IND)
TE- John Carlson, -26.1 grade (ARI)
HB- Knile Davis, -13.2 grade (KC)
FB- Frank Summers, -4.8 grade (BUF)
LT- Jake Matthews, -32.7 grade (ATL)
LG- Mike McGlynn, -19.1 grade (KC)
C- Scott Wells, -15.7 grade (STL)
RG- Erik Pears, -17.8 grade (BUF)
RT- Michael Oher, -22.1 grade (TEN)

Defense
DE (4-3)- Chris Clemons, -22.1 grade (JAX)
DE (4-3)- Robert Geathers, -16.2 grade (CIN)
DE (3-4)- Cam Thomas, -19.9 grade (PIT)
DE (3-4)- Kendall Reyes, -18.8 grade (SD)
DT- Nick Hayden, -12.4 (DAL)
DT-Domata Peko, -17.2 grade (CIN)
OLB (4-3)- JoLonn Dunbar, -9.6 grade (STL)
OLB (4-3)- Ramon Humber, -9.4 grade (NO)
OLB (3-4)- Kamerion Wimbley, -9.6 grade (TEN)
OLB (3-4)- Mike Neal, -8.1 grade (GB)
ILB- Miles Burris, -31.4 grade (OAK)
CB- Cortez Allen, -16.1 grade (PIT)
CB- Blidi Wreh-Wilson, -11.3 grade (TEN)
S1- Kenny Vaccaro, -15.5 grade (NO)
S2- Ryan Clark, -14.0 grade (WAS)

The Best

Offense
QB- Ben Roethlisberger, +22.6 grade (PIT)
QB (Tied)- Aaron Rodgers, +22.6 grade (GB)
WR1- Antonio Brown, +14.3 grade (PIT)
WR2- Jordy Nelson, +14.6 grade (GB)
TE- Rob Gronkowski, +16.6 grade (NE)
HB- Marshawn Lynch, +13.4 grade (SEA)
FB- Anthony Sherman, +6.3 grade (KC)
LT- Joe Thomas, +27.6 grade(CLE)
LG- Josh Sitton, +18.3 (GB)
C- Nick Mangold, +16.0 (NYJ)
RG- Marshal Yanda, +30.0 (BAL)
RT- Ricky Wagner, +12.0 grade (BAL)

Defense
DE (4-3)- Cameron Wake, +27.1 grade (MIA)
DE (4-3)- Robert Ayers, +18.3 grade (NYG)
DE (3-4)- J.J. Watt, +53.8 grade (HOU)
DE (3-4)- Muhammad Wilkerson, +28.4 grade (NYJ)
DT- Ndamukong Suh, +23.2 grade (DET)
DT- Kyle D. Williams, +20.6 grade (BUF)
OLB (4-3)- Von Miller, +36.5 grade (DEN)
OLB (4-3)- DeAndre Levy, +18.7 (DET)
OLB (3-4)- Khalil Mack, +22.9 grade (OAK)
OLB (3-4)- Justin Houston, +24.0 grade (KC)
ILB- Luke Kuechly, +13.3 grade (CAR)
CB- Chris Harris Jr, +15.2 grade (DEN)
CB- Vontae Davis, +13.5 grade (IND)
S1- Eric Weddle, +13.2 grade (SD)
S2- Antoine Bethea, +12.6 grade (SF)

DaHoneyBadger
11-12-2014, 11:42 AM
The Worst

Offense
•QB- Blake Bortles, -26.7 grade (JAX)
•WR1- Riley Cooper, -11.5 grade (PHI)
•WR2- Hakeem Nicks, -9.6 grade (IND)
•TE- John Carlson, -26.1 grade (ARI)
•HB- Knile Davis, -13.2 grade (KC)
•FB- Frank Summers, -4.8 grade (BUF)
•LT- Jake Matthews, -32.7 grade (ATL)
•LG- Mike McGlynn, -19.1 grade (KC)
•C- Scott Wells, -15.7 grade (STL)
•RG- Erik Pears, -17.8 grade (BUF)
•RT- Michael Oher, -22.1 grade (TEN)

I can confirm. Cooper has been terrible.

scotyg
11-12-2014, 11:49 AM
Davis rushed for 130 yards and a TD vs Miami and they gave him like a -4 grade for the game because he missed a pair of blitz pickups


their grades are meaningless

AppleCat
11-12-2014, 11:53 AM
The Worst

Offense
•QB- Blake Bortles, -26.7 grade (JAX)


Haters.

Onita
11-12-2014, 11:54 AM
Haters.

win

dougefresh93
11-12-2014, 11:55 AM
sorry but Suh has not had a better season than Marcell Dareus

xzp
11-12-2014, 11:57 AM
Surprised Burris is not with Carlos Rogers on there.

Not surprised to see Khalil Mack. Dude's already a top 10 Linebacker. Will be THE best in two seasons. Watt-esque talent.

Raiders suck but KILLED the draft. Franchise players in both early picks.

AreolaBorealis
11-12-2014, 12:06 PM
i thought jake matthews was having a good season

Dave P
11-12-2014, 12:14 PM
I remember all the people that rolled their eyes at me when I told them Bethea was an upgrade over Whitner this offseason.

iamgenus
11-12-2014, 12:17 PM
Davis rushed for 130 yards and a TD vs Miami and they gave him like a -4 grade for the game because he missed a pair of blitz pickups


their grades are meaningless

I wouldn't say meaningless but certainly not infallible.

LeonardShelby
11-12-2014, 12:19 PM
Haters.

Was gonna post this lol

xzp
11-12-2014, 12:31 PM
I remember all the people that rolled their eyes at me when I told them Bethea was an upgrade over Whitner this offseason.

Absolutely agreed. It was a STEAL for SF. He never got enough credit in Indy. If anything, had Denver signed him instead of Ward that defense would've been even better. Great pickup.

YWOC
11-12-2014, 01:25 PM
How the fuk is Shea McClellin not on the worst list

Might be the worst linebacker I've ever watched in my life

LikeAMachine
11-12-2014, 01:54 PM
Jake Mathews, ouch

Khalil Mack, das it mane

Iczer
11-12-2014, 01:56 PM
Still surprised to see McGlynn starting every week, dude is garbage... I'd rather put Harris or Stephenson inside and see how he does than watching McGlynn get manhandled.

GiantMonkey
11-12-2014, 02:07 PM
How the fuk is Shea McClellin not on the worst list

Might be the worst linebacker I've ever watched in my life

Obviously you never watched Burris.

Came in expecting Burris as worse, ends up being second worst player in the NFL, and Mack on the best list.

Mr_Peepers
11-12-2014, 03:04 PM
No Aaron Donald, no care

Swept
11-12-2014, 03:13 PM
LMAO PFF the most flawed football website ever

TerellOwens
11-12-2014, 03:16 PM
where's casey matthews

CurryTech777
11-12-2014, 03:50 PM
how is mack the best

LikeAMachine
11-13-2014, 05:47 AM
LMAO PFF the most flawed football website ever

It is flawed but it's still a good tool.

NewYorkGiants
11-13-2014, 07:04 AM
Robert Ayers is not even a starter on the Giants. He has 4 sacks in 9 games. To put him over a lot of the other guys that have 9+ sacks is laughable. They need to raise the minimum snap count when they do these evaluations or it's pointless.

GiantMonkey
11-13-2014, 07:28 AM
how is mack the best

A lot of qb pressures, qb knockdowns and good against the run

leafs43
11-13-2014, 07:31 AM
Only 1 raider on that list.....

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phillyfreak7
11-13-2014, 07:41 AM
Is Khalil Mack really this good?

leafs43
11-13-2014, 07:44 AM
Is Khalil Mack really this good?

Yes he is good.

The rest of the defense is f*cking horrible tho.

GrecoRoman
11-13-2014, 07:45 AM
This is why my sig is what it is.

Onita
11-13-2014, 07:56 AM
Yes he is good.

The rest of the defense is f*cking horrible tho.

He's been extremely impressive every time I've seen him.

reverse79
11-13-2014, 08:00 AM
how the hell is demarco absent from this?

HoganIsGOAT
11-13-2014, 08:02 AM
No thanks, I think I'll not listen to the opinion of one guy on a sports website that lacks credibility.

Beliedat
11-13-2014, 08:14 AM
No thanks, I think I'll not listen to the opinion of one guy on a sports website that lacks credibility.

Then what are you doing here?

scotyg
11-13-2014, 08:15 AM
It is flawed but it's still a good tool.



i like their advanced statistics, but their grades are pretty subjective and i dont think are weighted very well or at all. A RB can have a very good game but miss a blitz pickup or two and and end up with a really bad grade.

It seems to reward steady mediocrity and punish a player harshly for one or two missed plays in an otherwise good performance.

bigcc
11-13-2014, 08:26 AM
how the hell is demarco absent from this?

12 touchdowns to 7
0 lost fumbles to 5
better blitz pick up
pretty sure more than half his yards come after contact due to garbage OL and no passing game

Lynch>>>>>


EDIT: Lynch has already had his bye so he's played a game less as well

Hercegovac8
11-13-2014, 08:35 AM
How the fuk is Shea McClellin not on the worst list

Might be the worst linebacker I've ever watched in my life

Watched every bears game since the SanFran game and can confirm ur an idiot

Shea has been pretty good when playing, problem is homeboy missed an entire month

Bostic who took over for him is waaaaaaay worse, he's probably the worst linebacker I've ever seen

But yeah the bears defense as a whole has been complete ass

Trapstar4.4
11-13-2014, 08:40 AM
jake matthews is fine. he played injured for many of the earlier weeks. not sure what his health is like now

shifted from right to left tackle. he's definitely solid

Phobaphobia
11-13-2014, 08:50 AM
I don't trust these rankings at all

reverse79
11-13-2014, 08:59 AM
12 touchdowns to 7
0 lost fumbles to 5
better blitz pick up
pretty sure more than half his yards come after contact due to garbage OL and no passing game

Lynch>>>>>


EDIT: Lynch has already had his bye so he's played a game less as well

when you average half a first down/ 120 yards a game..and 7.8 ypc as a receiver

you cant get much more efficient than that


he only has 3 fumbles and marshawn has 1

Navillus13
11-13-2014, 09:09 AM
How the fuk is Shea McClellin not on the worst list

Might be the worst linebacker I've ever watched in my life
This

Watched every bears game since the SanFran game and can confirm ur an idiot

Shea has been pretty good when playing, problem is homeboy missed an entire month

Bostic who took over for him is waaaaaaay worse, he's probably the worst linebacker I've ever seen

But yeah the bears defense as a whole has been complete ass

Dude... you can NOT be serious about Shea. I watch him every game (season tick holder). The guy engages offensive lineman without even looking at the running back running past him. He ZEROES IN ON THE OL instead of the RB. He cant pass cover, he cant rush the passer, he cant read the running game.

so wtf is he "good" at doing? mind is blown right now.

neighborr
11-13-2014, 09:12 AM
inb4 IawI calls PFF haters

bigcc
11-13-2014, 09:45 AM
when you average half a first down/ 120 yards a game..and 7.8 ypc as a receiver

you cant get much more efficient than that


he only has 3 fumbles and marshawn has 1

Did you see the part where I said lost fumbles? Even if you include total its 5-1, didn't know fumbles on receptions didn't count
Marshawn averages 10.7 as a receiver
He leads the nfl in touchdowns (rushing+receiving)


Lynch>>>>>

Creaso
11-13-2014, 09:52 AM
Did you see the part where I said lost fumbles? Even if you include total its 5-1, didn't know fumbles on receptions didn't count
Marshawn averages 10.7 as a receiver
He leads the nfl in touchdowns (rushing+receiving)


Lynch>>>>>

Seattle sports crew.

bigcc
11-13-2014, 09:58 AM
Seattle sports crew.


facts are facts


EDIT: If anyone should be above him its foster

EaglesBrah10
11-13-2014, 09:59 AM
Connor Barwin should be on there...

HoganIsGOAT
11-13-2014, 10:39 AM
Then what are you doing here?

Thanks, I wasn't aware I couldn't post in threads where I didn't agree with the content.

YWOC
11-13-2014, 11:16 AM
Watched every bears game since the SanFran game and can confirm ur an idiot

Shea has been pretty good when playing, problem is homeboy missed an entire month

Bostic who took over for him is waaaaaaay worse, he's probably the worst linebacker I've ever seen

But yeah the bears defense as a whole has been complete ass

lmfao you can't be serious you twat

There's a reason the entire Bears fanbase has been calling for McClellin to be cut for the past 2 years. You're an idiot.



Dude... you can NOT be serious about Shea. I watch him every game (season tick holder). The guy engages offensive lineman without even looking at the running back running past him. He ZEROES IN ON THE OL instead of the RB. He cant pass cover, he cant rush the passer, he cant read the running game.

so wtf is he "good" at doing? mind is blown right now.


He has no idea what he's talking about. Shea is terrible against the run, poor pass coverage, doesn't get pressure on the QB, doesn't force turnovers and is also a poor tackler. I literally can't think of 1 positive quality about him. Bears fan brahs know how bad Shea has been his entire career. Dude would be long gone if the Bears finally just admitted they blew a first round pick on him.

cor030
11-13-2014, 01:43 PM
facts are facts


EDIT: If anyone should be above him its foster

yeah far from a Seahawks fan but you can't deny how much of a beast Lynch is.

Swept
11-13-2014, 01:59 PM
It is flawed but it's still a good tool.

No it ain't, I remember they rated Casey Hayward the best corner one season even though he covered the nickle and barely played man to man

thelast10
11-13-2014, 03:14 PM
Kind of shocked 2 Jets made the best list... Although Mangold is one of the best at what he does, and has been for years, and Wilkerson is a beast.... Kind of shocked Geno didn't make the worst list....

Hercegovac8
11-13-2014, 03:31 PM
lmfao you can't be serious you twat

There's a reason the entire Bears fanbase has been calling for McClellin to be cut for the past 2 years. You're an idiot.




He has no idea what he's talking about. Shea is terrible against the run, poor pass coverage, doesn't get pressure on the QB, doesn't force turnovers and is also a poor tackler. I literally can't think of 1 positive quality about him. Bears fan brahs know how bad Shea has been his entire career. Dude would be long gone if the Bears finally just admitted they blew a first round pick on him.

Is he worse than Bostic though?

He's played in 4 more games than Shea and literally has no impact stats whatsover, just a few tackles, no sacks, no fumbles, nothing

Like I said the Bears D is awful, but Shea isn't the worst player on it

Youppi
11-13-2014, 04:06 PM
Kind of shocked 2 Jets made the best list... Although Mangold is one of the best at what he does, and has been for years, and Wilkerson is a beast.... Kind of shocked Geno didn't make the worst list....

he was through 8 weeks

The Worst

Offense

QB- Geno Smith, -19.7 grade (NYJ)
WR1- Riley Cooper, -9.4 grade (PHI)
WR2- Justin Brown, -8.5 grade (PIT)
TE- John Carlson, -17.1 grade (ARI)
HB- Knile Davis, -10.9 grade (KC)
FB- Mike Tolbert, -4.9 grade (CHA)
LT- Jake Matthews, -31.7 grade (ATL)
LG- Brian Winters, -15.3 grade (NYJ)
C- Scott Wells, -13.1 grade (STL)
RG- Erik Pears, -21.3 grade (BUF)
RT- Michael Oher, -20.1 grade (TEN)

Defense

DE (4-3)- Chris Clemons, -17.1 grade (JAX)
DE (4-3)- Robert Geathers, -13.8 grade (CIN)
DE (3-4)- Cam Thomas, -17.7 grade (PIT)
DE (3-4)- Kendall Reyes, -15.1 grade (SD)
DT- Akeem Spence, -14.5 grade (TB)
DT-Domata Peko, -14.0 grade (CIN)
OLB (4-3)- Emmanuel Lamur, -6.0 grade (CIN)
OLB (4-3)- Alec Ogletree, -11.7 grade (STL)
OLB (3-4)- Kamerion Wimbkley, -8.0 (TEN)
OLB (3-4)- Ahmad Brooks, -7.9 grade (SF)
ILB- Miles Burris, -25.2 grade (OAK)
CB- Cortez Allen, -16.1 grade (PIT)
CB- Blidi Wreh-Wilson, -10.8 grade (TEN)
S1- Matt Elam, -11.1 grade (BAL)
S2- Ryan Clark, -15.0 grade (WAS)

The Best

Offense

QB- Ben Roethlisberger, +20.2(PIT)
WR1- Antonio Brown, +13.1 (PIT)
WR2- T.Y. Hilton, +11.8 (IND)
TE- Jason Witten, +12.9 grade (DAL)
HB- Le'Veon Bell, +11.4 grade (PIT)
FB- Anthony Sherman, +7.0 grade (KC)
LT- Joe Thomas, +19.7 grade(CLE)
LG- Josh Sitton, +14.9 (GB)
C- Nick Mangold, +13.9 (NYJ)
RG- Marshal Yanda, +23.8 (BAL)
RT- Ricky Wager, +19.0 (BAL)

Defense

DE (4-3)- Cameron Wake, +22.8 (MIA)
DE (4-3)- Jason Pierre-Paul, +19.2 (NYG)
DE (3-4)- J.J. Watt, +49.4 grade holyyyy **** (HOU)
DE (3-4)- Muhammad Wilkerson, +23.1 grade (NYJ)
DT- Gerald McCoy, +19.8 grade (TB)
DT-Kyle Williams, +16.3 grade (BUF)
OLB (4-3)- Von Miller, +26.4 grade (DEN)
OLB (4-3)- DeAndre Levy, +15.7 (DET)
OLB (3-4)- Khalil Mack, +24.0 grade (OAK)
OLB (3-4)- Justin Houston, +23.0 (KC)
ILB- C.J. Mosley, +11.3 (BAL)
CB- Brandon Flowers, +11.8 grade (SD)
CB- Chris Harris Jr, +11.7 grade (DEN)
S1- Eric Weddle, +13.1 (SD)
S2- Harrison Smith, +11.0 (MIN)

ronbrees1021
11-13-2014, 05:59 PM
their grades are meaningless

FoxMcCocks
11-13-2014, 06:16 PM
no one else over 30....JJ Watt at 53 is this real life?

Shiden11
11-13-2014, 06:59 PM
What is the number? Is that football's version of WAR?