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Jesse_l_g
11-06-2014, 12:17 PM
It is grotesque that we are censored from discussing something that is national news.

Jesse_l_g
11-06-2014, 12:20 PM
Please keep any actual discussion out of this thread

coals
11-06-2014, 12:22 PM
Signed on principle. What a ridiculous thing to censor, especially on this forum.

hammerfelt
11-06-2014, 12:25 PM
Given a private conversation can lead you to having to give up your professional basketball team in this extremely litigious society we live in it makes perfect sense why companies feel the need to go overboard with rules and regulations.

Jesse_l_g
11-06-2014, 12:34 PM
Given a private conversation can lead you to having to give up your professional basketball team in this extremely litigious society we live in it makes perfect sense why companies feel the need to go overboard with rules and regulations.

I understand why BB.com has the policy and the "celltech" legal issues. For safety reasons its incredibly unfortunate people don't have access to that information on BB.com. I wish they fought against it on principle and had a backbone. However as it relates to politics and current events, from what i have seen, they have tolerated these discussions on the RnP. I understand why they don't on the regular misc. The RnP should be allowed to discuss anything that is national news.

kenonator
11-06-2014, 12:44 PM
Signed, censorship on this site has gone overboard the last couple of years....we used to have a section for porn/nudes now we have "relationship help".

GrokTheCube
11-06-2014, 01:14 PM
Agreed, though I doubt it. BB.com is very strict with that sort of thing. After that one thing happened with the stuff and SHTF, they cracked down hard.

ForumNature
11-06-2014, 02:20 PM
Signed, censorship on this site has gone overboard the last couple of years....we used to have a section for porn/nudes now we have "relationship help".


We are a business first, forums are secondary. Would you expect to see nudes being posted all over the place in Target and customers shouting racial slurs?

USAPump
11-06-2014, 02:21 PM
We are a business first, forums are secondary. Would you expect to see nudes being posted all over the place in Target and customers shouting racial slurs?

Apples to oranges.

Anyways, I understand talking about using it as a bannable offense but talking about it politically should be allowed. I don't even see the reason as to why that's a no-fly zone too begin with.

Dan916
11-06-2014, 02:27 PM
We are a business first, forums are secondary. Would you expect to see nudes being posted all over the place in Target and customers shouting racial slurs?

you can talk about marijuana inside a Target


its really not a big deal

foreverSNAFU
11-06-2014, 02:33 PM
I believe that illegal things should only be discussed as they apply to the news (as is the case here with certain states changing laws on certain substances).

I could give two sh**s if some stoned slacker gets banned for starting a new thread saying "hey, ugh, man... legalize it, ha, ha, cough, ha."

Pretty much, I think it should be up to the mods to use their best discretion in deciding which threads are garbage and which threads serve a valid purpose.

dweeegs
11-06-2014, 02:38 PM
Signed on principle. What a ridiculous thing to censor, especially on this forum.

I second this statement.

Apeus
11-06-2014, 02:39 PM
We are a business first, forums are secondary. Would you expect to see nudes being posted all over the place in Target and customers shouting racial slurs?

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that in the early years of the business these forums played a significant roll in its success.

Large companies always seem to forget where they started and who helped along the way.

jbball92
11-06-2014, 02:42 PM
I think the main idea people are getting towards is that in this section we can discuss beheadings by drug cartels and christians being burned alive in the middle east, even gay marriage which is illegal in some states which are relevant and readily discussed in the news, as well as being relevant to R/P, so censorship of the discussion of weed legalization as it pertains to R/P should be allowed as well.

Tekkendo
11-06-2014, 02:43 PM
Waste of breath. Liberty Media legal department said no.

foreverSNAFU
11-06-2014, 02:44 PM
Waste of breath. Liberty Media legal department said no.

???

ForumNature
11-06-2014, 02:57 PM
Apples to oranges.

Anyways, I understand talking about using it as a bannable offense but talking about it politically should be allowed. I don't even see the reason as to why that's a no-fly zone too begin with.

It is still illegal in the eyes of the federal government and falls under "illegal drug discussion". It doesn't mean the mods all want that to be the case. I'm all for freedom of discussion if it is constructive.


Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that in the early years of the business these forums played a significant roll in its success.

Large companies always seem to forget where they started and who helped along the way.

You're right, a significant amount of traffic comes form forums. However with this site growth, the site is no longer only populated by Misc bros. We have kids as young as 14 on here, so we have to keep it appropriate for the general public. There are plenty of other places online to discuss these topics if you don't like the rules here.

tk217
11-06-2014, 03:08 PM
Would love to talk about this - the economic business aspect is astounding right now.

mbala
11-06-2014, 03:11 PM
Signed.

Mcfreako
11-06-2014, 03:13 PM
Cuz petitions always work....


This isn't a democracy, it's a privately owned business


Nonetheless: signed

But it won't do anything...

ScubaStevo
11-06-2014, 03:13 PM
No we don't need that here.

VTheKing
11-06-2014, 03:15 PM
Would be nice, band camp has gotten a bit boring for me.

Tekkendo
11-06-2014, 03:19 PM
???

BB.com is owned by Liberty Media.

USAPump
11-06-2014, 03:26 PM
BB.com is owned by Liberty Media.

Last I heard it was owned by the KGB, Jews or the Nazi's.


Which one is it?

jbball92
11-06-2014, 03:27 PM
signed just because it would be interesting nonetheless

Apeus
11-06-2014, 03:31 PM
It is still illegal in the eyes of the federal government and falls under "illegal drug discussion". It doesn't mean the mods all want that to be the case. I'm all for freedom of discussion if it is constructive.



You're right, a significant amount of traffic comes form forums. However with this site growth, the site is no longer only populated by Misc bros. We have kids as young as 14 on here, so we have to keep it appropriate for the general public. There are plenty of other places online to discuss these topics if you don't like the rules here.


I understand, but there must be some type of compromise regarding discussing drug legalization from a serious political and economic standpoint in this section that can be made.

I mean, there are a lot of controversial topics discussed here, does Liberty Media really think that discussing drug legalization is going to hurt their reputation or sales?

dweeegs
11-06-2014, 03:33 PM
It is still illegal in the eyes of the federal government and falls under "illegal drug discussion".

Discussing the political/economic issues of the drug and discussing the drug itself are two different things. Is it bannable to discuss the economic impacts in states like CO or ballot initiatives on things like medicinal use? Would that not fall under political discussion and not illegal drug discussion?

Mcfreako
11-06-2014, 03:34 PM
I understand, but there must be some type of compromise regarding discussing drug legalization from a serious political and economic standpoint in this section that can be made.

I mean, there are a lot of controversial topics discussed here, does Liberty Media really think that discussing drug legalization is going to hurt their reputation or sales?

Go to the next board meeting and ask them urself

jbball92
11-06-2014, 03:36 PM
Discussing the political/economic issues of the drug and discussing the drug itself are two different things. Is it bannable to discuss the economic impacts in states like CO or ballot initiatives on things like medicinal use? Would that not fall under political discussion and not illegal drug discussion?
well I got banned for making a thread about how a town in California wants to start giving medical maryj to homeless people.... so.....

BurroLoco
11-06-2014, 03:43 PM
Recreational drugs are responsible for the destruction and imprisonment of millions of lives. We need to teach our kids that DRUGS ARE NOT OKAY.

Tekkendo
11-06-2014, 03:45 PM
Last I heard it was owned by the KGB, Jews or the Nazi's.


Which one is it?
Rothschild owns everything on earth.

gachase21
11-06-2014, 03:51 PM
BB.com is owned by Liberty Media.

Keep up with the changing times brah- liberty interacive

Still same ownership basically

Mcfreako
11-06-2014, 03:54 PM
Recreational drugs are responsible for the destruction and imprisonment of millions of lives. We need to teach our kids that DRUGS ARE NOT OKAY.

I agree...

LukeLissen
11-06-2014, 04:13 PM
Ending the drug war is desirable and beneficial in more ways than harmful. Therefore, legalization.

Accepting drug abuse as acceptable is not acceptable however. Drug abuse should be considered and treated in the mental health realm, not in the criminal justice system. I dont have any great perfect solutions because there are none. What do I know for a fact is that with drug abuse comes frequent and very significant problems for the abuser and those around them. Again, there are no easy or perfect solutions though.

Apeus
11-06-2014, 04:58 PM
Ending the drug war is desirable and beneficial in more ways than harmful. Therefore, legalization.

Accepting drug abuse as acceptable is not acceptable however. Drug abuse should be considered and treated in the mental health realm, not in the criminal justice system. I dont have any great perfect solutions because there are none. What do I know for a fact is that with drug abuse comes frequent and very significant problems for the abuser and those around them. Again, there are no easy or perfect solutions though.

There's no "perfect" solution, but I always like what William F Buckley Jr. suggested.

Legalize drugs; tax them, but make sure the taxes don't cause their price to rise to the point where the black market would still be the better option for people; use the tax money to fund free rehab clinics.

The problem with that solution, is that the government likes to pretend that taxes are a deterrent from using negative substances. States have been trying for years to deter smoking cigarettes through higher taxes, and all they have done is expand black market cigarette sales.

So for that type of system to be implemented for drug legalization, we would need to get over this "higher prices are a deterrent" attitude and realize it just pushes people into illegal purchases and empowers the black market.

ForumNature
11-06-2014, 05:22 PM
Discussing the political/economic issues of the drug and discussing the drug itself are two different things. Is it bannable to discuss the economic impacts in states like CO or ballot initiatives on things like medicinal use? Would that not fall under political discussion and not illegal drug discussion?


Discussing it in strictly a political sense only is a great thought, but not realistic on this forum. I have yet to see a single thread started on a topic like that that didn't devolve into the discussion of illegal activity. That is why we can't have nice things. If you want to be upset with someone, be upset with the members that can't follow the rules and bring down tougher restrictions on everyone else.

Apeus
11-06-2014, 05:35 PM
Discussing it in strictly a political sense only is a great thought, but not realistic on this forum. I have yet to see a single thread started on a topic like that that didn't devolve into the discussion of illegal activity. That is why we can't have nice things. If you want to be upset with someone, be upset with the members that can't follow the rules and bring down tougher restrictions on everyone else.


Couldn't the rule be something like:

*Any discussion of the personal use of illicit and/or illegal drugs is strictly forbidden on this forum and will result in a ban of said user. Discussion of the the legalization of said drugs in terms of philosophical, political, and economic impacts are allowed at the discretion of forum moderators.


I think that's reasonable.

Somebody talks about personal use? Delete their post and give them a temp ban.

gachase21
11-06-2014, 05:38 PM
Discussing it in strictly a political sense only is a great thought, but not realistic on this forum. I have yet to see a single thread started on a topic like that that didn't devolve into the discussion of illegal activity. That is why we can't have nice things. If you want to be upset with someone, be upset with the members that can't follow the rules and bring down tougher restrictions on everyone else.
Only way you could pull a discussion like that off on here is with a private group of some sort. Possibly a thread where only certain members allowed. There are only about 10-15 in r/p that could do that.

Other than a strait up rule change which for this company would be a bad idea.

BEATINGU
11-06-2014, 05:48 PM
This is a place dedicated to serious political and religious discussions. If you want to discuss pot with your fellow drug addict friends, then I suggest you try somewhere else.

Thotful
11-06-2014, 08:02 PM
It is still illegal in the eyes of the federal government and falls under "illegal drug discussion". It doesn't mean the mods all want that to be the case. I'm all for freedom of discussion if it is constructive.



You're right, a significant amount of traffic comes form forums. However with this site growth, the site is no longer only populated by Misc bros. We have kids as young as 14 on here, so we have to keep it appropriate for the general public. There are plenty of other places online to discuss these topics if you don't like the rules here.

Do you have any idea what 14 year olds talk about?

Hint: Drugs and sex

Turbomunkey
11-06-2014, 08:05 PM
I own marijuana stock. Do not smoke however


signed

Jesse_l_g
11-07-2014, 06:44 AM
It is still illegal in the eyes of the federal government and falls under "illegal drug discussion". It doesn't mean the mods all want that to be the case. I'm all for freedom of discussion if it is constructive.



You're right, a significant amount of traffic comes form forums. However with this site growth, the site is no longer only populated by Misc bros. We have kids as young as 14 on here, so we have to keep it appropriate for the general public. There are plenty of other places online to discuss these topics if you don't like the rules here.

It's national news! In more and more states it is legal. If entire states are nullifying federal law. The federal government itself is even collecting tax revenue from it and allowing dispensaries to put their money in banks. Does it really make sense that a forum on the internet won't even allow the discussion of it?..last i checked discussing illegal things isn't even illegal. Besides people have a right to honest information. It's embarrassing on the part of BB.com that it puts up with censoring itself. Making the subject taboo only causes more harm than good.

Ge_Tech
11-07-2014, 07:52 AM
It's national news! In more and more states it is legal. If entire states are nullifying federal law. The federal government itself is even collecting tax revenue from it and allowing dispensaries to put their money in banks. Does it really make sense that a forum on the internet won't even allow the discussion of it?..last i checked discussing illegal things isn't even illegal. Besides people have a right to honest information. It's embarrassing on the part of BB.com that it puts up with censoring itself. Making the subject taboo only causes more harm than good.

I have to agree.

MuzzieChik786
11-07-2014, 07:54 AM
I got banned for posting in a legit story about Jackie Chan for this very reason. Signed petition.

Tekkendo
11-07-2014, 08:00 AM
Keep up with the changing times brah- liberty interacive

Still same ownership basically

It is hard to keep track of all the things we Rothschild own. Too many. :D

USAPump
03-18-2015, 07:06 PM
bump