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rocker1
07-19-2014, 10:01 PM
It strikes me as self-cannibalism what is going on with Republicans.

The Hobby Lobby decision, failure to engage seriously on immigration reform, the disrespect to civil rights, the dog-whistle laden attack on voting rights, etc.

It's like 2012 presidential election was two centuries ago and the America that the Republican party sees is what it was during Millard Fillmore.

Wow.

Obama won 39% of the White vote in 2012.

39%.

That means the Republicans won every White vote they could have except for committed Liberals.

Instead of losing by a landslide, he won by a healthy popular vote and an electoral landslide.

You consider yourself the enemy of women, Blacks, Hispanics, minorities, social moderates, and pursue policies that basically attract NO ONE but the angry base of conservative white men---yet you have hope you will win this country's presidency for the foreseeable future?

When you couldn't beat such a maligned, hated figure (from the right) who was still presiding over a recovery economy and managed to take home just 39% of the White vote?

Self-cannibalism at its best.

Continue on rightwing Sirs.

tsbalr120
07-19-2014, 10:10 PM
Is that why the EU shifted farther right the last election?

And Obama admin is frantically busing illegals all over the country to get them to start voting democrat?


I wouldn't worry about the rebubs rocker. I would be more worried on who the dem's back up plan when hillary is too sick to run.

Permission
07-19-2014, 10:13 PM
Is that why the EU shifted farther right the last election?

And Obama admin is frantically busing illegals all over the country to get them to start voting democrat?


I wouldn't worry about the rebubs rocker. I would be more worried on who the dem's back up plan when hillary is too sick to run.

Since 2010 US census - non-white births accounted for 52% of all births. please tell me how conservatives will pander to the non whites - considering in the (just 20 yrs away future they're gonna be the majority?

Permission
07-19-2014, 10:14 PM
Is that why the EU shifted farther right the last election?

Europe is homogeneous, don't compare Europe to the new World

GrokTheCube
07-19-2014, 10:18 PM
Is that why the EU shifted farther right the last election?

And Obama admin is frantically busing illegals all over the country to get them to start voting democrat?


I wouldn't worry about the rebubs rocker. I would be more worried on who the dem's back up plan when hillary is too sick to run.

In all fairness, the "right" in most other western nations is to the left of the Democrats by a fair bit.

I foresee Republicans easing up on the social conservatism coming into 2016. They do need votes from women, young people, and minorities. Social conservatism generally turns those groups off.

Obama's second term is looking to be a failure of epic proportions, but I'm not sure if even that can save them. I mean, the clown won re-election in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the great depression. On top of that, the majority of people thought the country was going in the wrong direction, he had bad approval ratings, his only "accomplishment" of note (Obamacare) was already unpopular and he STILL managed to win. Why? There were too many people in too many demographic groups that were more scared of voting R than they were of voting D.

wings_unhinged
07-19-2014, 10:23 PM
I foresee Republicans easing up on the social conservatism coming into 2016. They do need votes from women, young people, and minorities. Social conservatism generally turns those groups off.

Give me a Republican who's truly for small government and I'll vote for them any day.

tsbalr120
07-19-2014, 10:25 PM
Since 2010 US census - non-white births accounted for 52% of all births. please tell me how conservatives will pander to the non whites - considering in the (just 20 yrs away future they're gonna be the majority?

Why is it always about race?

Plus minorities are generally very religious, they should prefer the repub platform.



Europe is homogeneous, don't compare Europe to the new World

Wut


In all fairness, the "right" in most other western nations is to the left of the Democrats by a fair bit.

I foresee Republicans easing up on the social conservatism coming into 2016. They do need votes from women, young people, and minorities. Social conservatism generally turns those groups off.

Obama's second term is looking to be a failure of epic proportions, but I'm not sure if even that can save them. I mean, the clown won re-election in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the great depression. On top of that, the majority of people thought the country was going in the wrong direction, he had bad approval ratings, his only "accomplishment" of note (Obamacare) was already unpopular and he STILL managed to win. Why? There were too many people in too many demographic groups that were more scared of voting R than they were of voting D.

Repub's problem is they have to pander the evangelicals to win the primary, which forces them to take up unpopular social positions, and they put up chitbags with no personality or likability.

GrokTheCube
07-19-2014, 10:26 PM
Give me a Republican who's truly for small government and I'll vote for them any day.

Agreed 100%. The problem is, those Republicans don't make it through primaries.

ieatdogfoodsrs
07-19-2014, 10:27 PM
Rand Paul is the future ideologically and intellectually, but that is irrelevant now.

The Republicans bloodline is War Money from the Military Industrial Complex old dogs.

That's who funds the Heritage Foundation, Weekly Conservative, Weekly Standard, every conservative think tank and its who donates the largest to Republican campaigns.

So guys like Perry continue on w/ their war mongering and nothing changes.

GrokTheCube
07-19-2014, 10:28 PM
Repub's problem is they have to pander the evangelicals to win the primary, which forces them to take up unpopular social positions, and they put up chitbags with no personality or likability.

As a party, the Repubs need to tell the evangelicals to get ****ed.

Their votes are utterly irrelevant in the general. They could afford to trade 75% of the evangelical vote for 15% of the vote from latinos, young people, and women and it would be a huge net positive.

Permission
07-19-2014, 10:28 PM
Why is it always about race?

Plus minorities are generally very religious, they should prefer the repub platform.

Minorities (soon to be majorities) are socially conservative, and fiscally liberal.

the only way you win the minority vote is to beat democrats at their own game, srs





Wut

Europe is ethnically and culturally more homogeneous than USA

jodeki
07-19-2014, 10:35 PM
Does no one understand that immigration reform will kill the Republican party once and for all? Study after study has shown that immigrants overwhelmingly vote Democrat. To bring ever more immigrants into the country, especially allowing them the path to citizenship/the vote, will mean more and more Democrat voters. How does this help the Republicans? No one can give a reasonable explanation of this.

nutsy54
07-20-2014, 04:42 AM
You consider yourself the enemy of women, Blacks, Hispanics, minorities, social moderates, and pursue policies that basically attract NO ONE but the angry base of conservative white men---yet you have hope you will win this country's presidency for the foreseeable future?
Um, no. Blind partisan hacks who can't honestly discuss actual policy positions & results are the only ones who need to fabricate an "enemy" of women, etc, etc.

Republicans don't catalog and segregate the population as you do.

sawoobley
07-20-2014, 06:53 AM
Minorities are slowly starting to wake up.

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Joseph explained that as she educated herself on politics and learned who Obama was. She realized that he’s a fraud and there’s no merit to anything he says.

“Truth and honesty are important,” she said. “He lied about everything.”

According to Gilbert, his documentary shows similar experiences with other one-time Obama supporters who bought into his hope and change rhetoric but quickly discovered he’s not what he says.

“In my journey through America in ‘There’s No Place Like Utopia,’ I met a lot of people living in horrible conditions, particularly African Americans, who I was surprised to learn were now staunch conservatives as a result of living in progressive-controlled cities like Detroit, Chicago and Newark,” Gilbert said.

“After 60 years of progressive politics in their cities, they understood very clearly that they had not been progressing but rather regressing all this time, and they were mad. They felt they had been used and tricked by Obama for their votes and that he never intended to keep any of his promises, just like the Wizard of Oz.”

http://toprightnews.com/?p=4505

Streetbull
07-20-2014, 07:00 AM
It strikes me as self-cannibalism what is going on with Republicans.

The Hobby Lobby decision, failure to engage seriously on immigration reform, the disrespect to civil rights, the dog-whistle laden attack on voting rights, etc.

It's like 2012 presidential election was two centuries ago and the America that the Republican party sees is what it was during Millard Fillmore.

Wow.

Obama won 39% of the White vote in 2012.

39%.

That means the Republicans won every White vote they could have except for committed Liberals.

Instead of losing by a landslide, he won by a healthy popular vote and an electoral landslide.

You consider yourself the enemy of women, Blacks, Hispanics, minorities, social moderates, and pursue policies that basically attract NO ONE but the angry base of conservative white men---yet you have hope you will win this country's presidency for the foreseeable future?

When you couldn't beat such a maligned, hated figure (from the right) who was still presiding over a recovery economy and managed to take home just 39% of the White vote?

Self-cannibalism at its best.

Continue on rightwing Sirs.

You are completely wrong. The country is fed up with the liberal agenda. People like Hillary and Barry the Great are old news and represent a dead end, a failed ideology.

Remember the Denver Rally where Obama comes out between the Greek columns and in the mists of Greatness? Can you imagine that happening today?

It is finally sinking in to the minds of the people that government can't solve most things, no matter how the people may wish it so. Life based upon A WISH is a dead end and they FINALLY are getting it.

dfwt70gt
07-20-2014, 09:30 AM
Why is it that liberals always cry about race yet use it as an argument and reasoning for minorities voting to keep themselves under the government thumb?

Are minorities preprogrammed to vote dem even though it is destroying their culture from the inside out?

RIKTER
07-20-2014, 09:46 AM
OP, how is hobby lobby a (R) issue? Obamacare violated a federal law, the religious freedom act, or something like that, which was signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1993. No one knows, including you, what the term immigration reform actually means? LOL at disrespecting civil rights, the (D) have sold the black americans down the river for legal and illegal latinos...latino is the new black.

badreligion
07-20-2014, 09:49 AM
Agreed 100%. The problem is, those Republicans don't make it through primaries.

The problem is there is no difference between Rs and Ds they are all one in the same .

IronRooster2
07-20-2014, 11:02 AM
As a party, the Repubs need to tell the evangelicals to get ****ed.

Their votes are utterly irrelevant in the general. They could afford to trade 75% of the evangelical vote for 15% of the vote from latinos, young people, and women and it would be a huge net positive.

lolwut?

SAY WHAT.

White evangelical protestants made up forty percent of Mitt Romney's votes. Lose them and you lose Oklahoma, you lose Kansas (Kansas used to be the heart of socialism), you lose everywhere.

Fundamentalist religion is the wedge issue that the GOP used to come into power after being dead on their backs for more than half a century. You lose that, and you lose everything.

Politicians are far better at being politicians than most people online give them credit for. The echo chamber of the internet does not reflect the real world.


To bring ever more immigrants into the country, especially allowing them the path to citizenship/the vote, will mean more and more Democrat voters. How does this help the Republicans? No one can give a reasonable explanation of this.

This is true, people can't go "got mine, **** you" if they do not in fact have their's. It's not like the racists screaming at Honduran child refugees to "go back to Mexico" is an image that's going to magically fade from any human's memories even if they pass a bill. A bill that requires you to be around for like a decade, learn english, and pay something in the neighborhood of $3,000 to $5,000 for citizenship.

It would infuriate their populist base as well. Tons of the GOP guys who vote for that will lose their primaries the very next cycle.

IronRooster2
07-20-2014, 11:07 AM
I mean jeezurs, at the extreme you have white people in cults like the Quiverfull movement where they believe that women should be pregnant 24/7 pumping out little GOP voters. If that's the kind of dedicated person you plan to kick down to voting for you at the same rate as Catholics do, hoo boy, that's no strategy at all.

nutsy54
07-20-2014, 04:16 PM
I mean jeezurs, at the extreme you have white people in cults like the Quiverfull movement where they believe that women should be pregnant 24/7 pumping out little GOP voters. If that's the kind of dedicated person you plan to kick down to voting for you at the same rate as Catholics do, hoo boy, that's no strategy at all.
When you have to resort to "extreme", fringe examples to prop up your point... You've failed to prop up your point.

rocker1
07-20-2014, 04:26 PM
Um, no. Blind partisan hacks who can't honestly discuss actual policy positions & results are the only ones who need to fabricate an "enemy" of women, etc, etc.

Republicans don't catalog and segregate the population as you do.

Nutsy, you just said a lot of nothing. Also, there is a subconscious bias you carry that you aren't even aware of.

You have to realize the limitations of your own experience.

For example, one can't understand the nitty gritty of what you feel is most important policy (given your personal experience in life) and you should realize there are others whose experiences lead them to value something else to vote on.

Essentially what you feel is pressing maybe different than a woman or minority or another voter who has a different priority. It's all relative and subject to everyone's experience.

IronRooster2
07-20-2014, 07:05 PM
Party that's 90% white people, the party of diversity, equality and opportunity for all.

Yeah. Right. You go ahead and make that infomercial about how much that foot in their neck is actually for their own good.

And good luck with your killing the government and therefore modern civilization goals of 2014.

Edit: I mean really, what is it going to take for these guys to admit they have a problem? Romney won a negative share of the black vote; folks heard what he had to say and actively registered to vote against him. Maybe the product you're trying to sell is bad for people.

No no, resort to ad hominem and racist "Democrats befuddle people with their tricky lies" rationalizing.

RingDips
07-20-2014, 07:17 PM
Party that's 90% white people, the party of diversity, equality and opportunity for all.

Yeah. Right. You go ahead and make that infomercial about how much that foot in their neck is actually for their own good.

And good luck with your killing the government and therefore modern civilization goals of 2014.

Edit: I mean really, what is it going to take for these guys to admit they have a problem? Romney won a negative share of the black vote; maybe the product you're trying to sell is bad for people.

No no, resort to ad hominem and racist "Democrats befuddle people with their tricky lies" rationalizing.

Wait, so blacks vote as a racial bloc two elections straight for a candidate that 1) looks like them, and 2) will benefit them the most (not the whole country, just them), and you interpret this as evidence of racism on the part of white Republicans?

How many different prescription medications must you be on to believe the inversions of reality that issue forth from your keyboard?

IronRooster2
07-20-2014, 07:24 PM
Well yeah. Take the how the hatred for Bush manifested itself:

"Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq."

And how the Obama hate manifests itself:

"Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama." What'd he do? Did he really do it? Does that even make sense? Who cares. It changes every week. Some weeks, it changes three times.

Who cares about policy and who cares about emotion again?

gachase21
07-20-2014, 07:38 PM
Why are Republicans digging their own hole?

Obviously if a hole needs dug republicans would have to do it since democrats don't work and live off handouts.

Somebody has to do the work, so if a hole needs dug, republicans have to dig it.