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thor93
06-19-2014, 08:24 PM
People tend to overemphasize like you absolutely Have to use Full ROM or ..."Oh No !"..,you wont get nearly the same benefit from that given exercise, : / Which really is a bunch of bunk based on my own personal experiences. On the contrary,i find using limited ROM on chest dips to be the way to go for eliminating excessive shoulder strain,and enabling more resistance to be used for enhanced strength workouts=enhanced tricep strength. Same even with Flat benchpress. Much less strain on the rotator cuffs. Less ROM enables more weight=More tricep strength and chest still contracts plentifully. Full ROM makes it an official lift as oppossed to less than full ROM but its not a fully developing way vs a less than fully developing way type issue. Its just a case of lifting the way YOU NEED to lift in order to keep up/develop/maintain you're developed/developing body/physique without injuring yourself trying to do everything by the gospel weightlifting book.

Oceanside
06-19-2014, 08:36 PM
full ROM causes cancer.

Jtbny
06-19-2014, 08:40 PM
I only worry about me and I do full rom on bench and squats. If others don't, good for them. I've heard people say it's easier on their shoulders not touching their chest on the bench. I'm no expert here but I always assume when I hear that the person saying it just really doesn't know how to bench. Maybe it is easier on the shoulders...idk.

djflex
06-19-2014, 08:41 PM
full ROM causes cancer.

I once got the clap from using full ROM on benchpress

SteveWright1
06-19-2014, 08:51 PM
I only worry about me and I do full rom on bench and squats. If others don't, good for them. I've heard people say it's easier on their shoulders not touching their chest on the bench. I'm no expert here but I always assume when I hear that the person saying it just really doesn't know how to bench. Maybe it is easier on the shoulders...idk.

that is how I feel also
I want to do full ROM as for me there is nothing worse than putting up a vid and seeing it is shallow for a squat or you stop short of chest contact for bench had to swallow my pride and accept that the numbers I can achieve full ROM with are lower than the numbers I could get partials from
but there is a sense of pride also achieved when you feel you did the full exercise, even if it was 30lb lighter than a weight used previous week, when you did not in fact complete the full exercise

for really heavy weights [for me, they may not seem heavy at all for others] then I do feel benefits of partial type exercises such as walk outs and rack pulls etc , but then I am using weight that I could not achieve full ROM with, without needing medical treatment after trying and failing
there are certainly muscle benefits to partials of that I am certainly convinced
just not the way I want to do things at present- want to do the exercises as they are supposed to be done ( not always achieving it, but always trying to)

eomrat
06-19-2014, 08:57 PM
You either use full ROM.....


Or you're a terrorist.

OzChops
06-19-2014, 09:07 PM
I prefer RAM, what good is memory you can't write to?

SP1966
06-19-2014, 09:08 PM
I've been thinking about putting a custom ROM on my Nexus 5 but I'm pretty sure I would need to use a full ROM in order for it to work.

GuyJin
06-19-2014, 09:16 PM
I prefer shampoo with a hint of musk in it. Can't stand those flowery shampoos...sets off my sinuses.

:D

Fishman15
06-19-2014, 09:42 PM
Full ROM makes it an official lift as oppossed to less than full ROM but its not a fully developing way vs a less than fully developing way type issue.

I found this line especially entertaining...

Where is the cowboy biker? I think he posted some gif or jif or whatever ya call it showing this old skinny guy on the Hammer Strength chest press machine moving a massive amount of weight...a few inches. That dude was jacked...lol

GuyJin
06-19-2014, 10:04 PM
People tend to overemphasize like you absolutely Have to use Full ROM or ..."Oh No !"..,you wont get nearly the same benefit from that given exercise, : / Which really is a bunch of bunk based on my own personal experiences. On the contrary,i find using limited ROM on chest dips to be the way to go for eliminating excessive shoulder strain,and enabling more resistance to be used for enhanced strength workouts=enhanced tricep strength. Same even with Flat benchpress. Much less strain on the rotator cuffs. Less ROM enables more weight=More tricep strength and chest still contracts plentifully. Full ROM makes it an official lift as oppossed to less than full ROM but its not a fully developing way vs a less than fully developing way type issue. Its just a case of lifting the way YOU NEED to lift in order to keep up/develop/maintain you're developed/developing body/physique without injuring yourself trying to do everything by the gospel weightlifting book.
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Let's examine this more in detail.

1. You based this on your own personal experiences and then made the blanket statement of implying full ROM is bunk for the rest of us. You then contradicted yourself in your final sentence of saying it's just a case of lifting and doing what you need to do for you (paraphrasing). Basing it on a story of one--you--is fine, but your entire post is just asking for criticism so don't be surprised at the responses.

2. Your line of "Full ROM makes it an official lift as oppossed to less than full ROM but its not a fully developing way vs a less than fully developing way type issue" begs for an explanation.

3. Using limited ROM more than likely will make that section of the muscle stronger. In this, I agree with you. But it will do nothing for the other parts of the muscle. If anything, there will be little to no spillover effect which may predispose the muscle to future injury if the weight is too heavy for the (relatively) untrained portion of the muscle/tendon to bear.

4. Putting up more weight in a half/quarter ROM is fine and dandy, but again, will it fully develop the muscle? If that's your goal, fine. Many exercises will benefit from a full ROM. I can see some using a 3/4 way of training...some. Not all.

Old-Time-Lifter
06-19-2014, 10:16 PM
I think partially living in your van is the more anabolic way to go.

GuyJin
06-19-2014, 10:17 PM
I think partially living in your van DOWN BY THE RIVER is the more anabolic way to go.
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Fixed.
:)

hmmmm16417
06-19-2014, 10:22 PM
I prefer RAM, what good is memory you can't write to?hahaha gotta love geek humor (i'm a geek too)

as for FULL RANGE OF MOTION.... I feel better knowing that I'm doing it. when i bench, I make sure the bar touches my chest (not bounces off, just touches)...if it doesn't, i feel that I've cheated. for squats, i make sure my elbows go at least to my knees. this tells me that I am past parallel. I feel that if you constantly USE full ROM, you will not LOSE it over time and maintain flexibility. just my thoughts.

Karl_Hungus
06-19-2014, 11:29 PM
People tend to overemphasize like you absolutely Have to use Full ROM or ..."Oh No !"..,you wont get nearly the same benefit from that given exercise, : / Which really is a bunch of bunk based on my own personal experiences.

Well sh!t...I guess that settles it!


Same even with Flat benchpress. Much less strain on the rotator cuffs. Less ROM enables more weight=More tricep strength and chest still contracts plentifully. Full ROM makes it an official lift as oppossed to less than full ROM but its not a fully developing way vs a less than fully developing way type issue

I am not one of the ROM nazis on this board .... we get enough of those every time somebody posts a squat video -- BUT, I think you SHOULD use full ROM when you can. Bench press is a perfect example. If you can go full ROM and you don't, you may end up causing yourself some problems ... mainly with flexibility. If you bench with half reps long enough, you will start to develop a tight chest and will soon find that you no longer have the option of bringing the bar to your chest, because you don't have enough flexibility to do it.

Having injuries that prevent full ROM is one thing .... but to go half-ROM simply so you can do more weight is stupid.

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 05:51 AM
Man this guy is an ass-hat.

Hey Thor--post some of your best vids up if you have the stones. After all, you're runnin' this show ain'tcha?

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 07:06 AM
Man this guy is an ass-hat.

Hey Thor--post some of your best vids up if you have the stones. After all, you're runnin' this show ain'tcha?

Let's be a bit kinder, it's one thing to poke a bit of fun it's another to be openly insulting. OP is practically an 035 legend so please treat him with a smattering of respect.

Keep doing what you're doing BobbyD if it's working for you that's all that matters in the end.

(edited to add; OP has posted videos in the past... they are the stuff of legend and in ages to come men will sing his praises and women will fawn over BobbyD. I would not doubt that he has his own youtube channel.)

Brackneyc
06-20-2014, 07:13 AM
Successful trolling.

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 07:15 AM
Legendary trolling.

Fixed....

JediRN
06-20-2014, 08:10 AM
I've always enjoyed full range of motion and will hit the Viagra if it ever stops...

Nikonguy
06-20-2014, 10:33 AM
I gotta agree with Opie. I haven't seen a pro bodybuilder use full ROM since Pumping Iron was re-released. :cool:

acrawlingchaos
06-20-2014, 11:10 AM
Ok.

acrawlingchaos
06-20-2014, 11:20 AM
I am not one of the ROM nazis on this board .... we get enough of those every time somebody posts a squat videoForm nazi checking in.

eomrat
06-20-2014, 11:21 AM
Man this guy is an ass-hat.

Hey Thor--post some of your best vids up if you have the stones. After all, you're runnin' this show ain'tcha?


I am impressed by the cleverness you display by constantly insulting people. It makes me think you must be a really cool and interesting person.

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 11:33 AM
I am impressed by the cleverness you display by constantly insulting people. It makes me think you must be a really cool and interesting person.

Constantly insulting people? Not me, brah.

I fell for his trolling here......nothing more.

GreenWave1
06-20-2014, 11:51 AM
Constantly insulting people? Not me, brah.

I fell for his trolling here......nothing more.

BobbyD may or may not be a troll. If he is, then he really understands the art form. If not, he's crazy but in a good/harmless way.

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 11:54 AM
BobbyD may or may not be a troll. If he is, then he really understands the art form. If not, he's crazy but in a good/harmless way.

Pretty much spells it out.

bodyhard
06-20-2014, 12:01 PM
Full ROM is not necessary for advance lifters, but important for beginners.

I use full ROM from time to time, but I also use TUT since I have been doing this for a long time.

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 12:21 PM
Troll or not, starting this thread was just an extension of his shooting on me in the OHP thread.

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 12:43 PM
Troll or not, starting this thread was just an extension of his shooting on me in the OHP thread.

Link?

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 12:50 PM
Link?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=161389473&page=2

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 12:52 PM
Looked at it, I fail to see your point. I don't think that BobbyD was gunning for you at all, he was just making another of his epic threads. It's all about BobbyD, it ain't about you.

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 12:59 PM
Dohkay....

Karl_Hungus
06-20-2014, 01:23 PM
Who the hell is BobbyD? :confused:

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 01:31 PM
Who the hell is BobbyD? :confused:

I don't know, but being him must be exhausting.......

so-tex
06-20-2014, 01:37 PM
Who the hell is BobbyD? :confused:I think he is some guy that is in the rock and roll hall of fame. I could be wrong though.

Mike Spitzer
06-20-2014, 01:40 PM
I tend to focus on training for people OVER 40 --- and I must say I am a strong advocate of a "Full and Natural Range of Motion".

Now to clarify, this does not mean exaggerating things like fully extending the arm on a Preacher or other dangerous action ...... or obviously not bad habits like Locking Knees with squats or presses.

But I mean the full ROM and angle of joint movement that comes with normal active motion.

On the contrary I see FAR TOO MANY people doing small partial movements with everything ---- leg presses and squats where the knees barely bend 20 degrees

Chest work like bench presses where the bar never comes closer than 12-18 inches from the chest

This partial ROM is like an epidemic ....... seems too many people only want to train in the small angle of motion where they feel strongest

So without going to extremes .... I still strongly advocate "Full and Natural Range of Motion"

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 02:10 PM
Who the hell is BobbyD? :confused:

Thor93 a/k/a BobbyD (was his original user name)

eomrat
06-20-2014, 02:33 PM
Troll or not, starting this thread was just an extension of his shooting on me in the OHP thread.

Yea, BobbyD is stalking you. That's totally a real thing.

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 03:27 PM
Yea, BobbyD is stalking you. That's totally a real thing.

I hear he only stalks the best of the best of the best...

GreenWave1
06-20-2014, 03:53 PM
I hear he only stalks the best of the best of the best...

So you're getting the noodz?

so-tex
06-20-2014, 03:55 PM
So you're getting the noodz?How come I never get any.........



















Noodz.

GuyJin
06-20-2014, 03:57 PM
How come I never get any.........

Noodz.
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CBB told me you were quite fond of his.






































:eek:












































:D









































Now rep me, bee-yotch!
:D

acrawlingchaos
06-20-2014, 04:01 PM
Looked at it, I fail to see your point. I don't think that BobbyD was gunning for you at all, he was just making another of his epic threads. It's all about BobbyD, it ain't about you.


Dohkay....Come now, I know you're not that delicate.

I don't think he was actually wrong either. It's cool if you want to call a push press an OHP, but it doesn't make it one. A seated OHP isn't an OHP either.

And that video of Mariusz Pudzianowski, looks to be a Klokov Press... which is not an overhead press.

so-tex
06-20-2014, 04:02 PM
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CBB told me you were quite fond of his.
Pics of balls with grey hair don't count.
























Oh,


























negged.

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 04:11 PM
It's cool if you want to call a push press an OHP, but it doesn't make it one.

I've never done anything resembling a PP.




A seated OHP isn't an OHP either.


Awesome opinion, bro.

DuracellBunny
06-20-2014, 04:19 PM
We need deathmatch between BobbyD and JVA (Jan Van Auberecht - search for him if you don't remember him).

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 04:51 PM
So you're getting the noodz?

So far only yours...........


:(

GuyJin
06-20-2014, 05:04 PM
So far only yours...........


:(
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Yeah, but it made your day, didn't it?
:D

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 05:20 PM
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Yeah, but it made your day, didn't it?
:D


http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MATT-SCOTT-PUKING-AGAIN.gif

acrawlingchaos
06-20-2014, 05:46 PM
Awesome opinion, bro.A standing overhead press is the same as a seated overhead press?


awesome opinion, brocahontas.

GuyJin
06-20-2014, 06:09 PM
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MATT-SCOTT-PUKING-AGAIN.gif
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That's high praise.
:D

pharmamarketer
06-20-2014, 06:11 PM
I once got the clap from using full ROM on benchpress

I still have a funny looking rash on my taint from squatting properly. I will load a pic

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 06:31 PM
A standing overhead press is the same as a seated overhead press?


awesome opinion, brocahontas.

Yeah, cuz I said that, bromeo....

It's still a variation of OHP....much better lift if your concern is staying strict IMO. Sitting prevents push pressing. And let's not pretend the weight disparity is gonna be astronomically different between standing and sitting either, brochise......

pharmamarketer
06-20-2014, 06:44 PM
Yeah, cuz I said that, bromeo....

It's still a variation of OHP....much better lift if your concern is staying strict IMO. Sitting prevents push pressing. And let's not pretend the weight disparity is gonna be astronomically different between standing and sitting either, brochise......

http://i.imgur.com/W4Bd3OG.png

acrawlingchaos
06-20-2014, 06:47 PM
Yeah, cuz I said that, bromeo.... It seemed that way broliet.


It's still a variation of OHP....much better lift if your concern is staying strict IMO.I can deal.
Sitting prevents push pressing.Sure, but now it incorporates leg drive when seated.


And let's not pretend the weight disparity is gonna be astronomically different between standing and sitting either, brochise......I'll test that out. I'll run my last OHP weight seated and see if I can pound out more reps. I'm fairly confident I'll hit a higher number bropunzel.

GuyJin
06-20-2014, 06:49 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa, brotato, brotahto, it's all good.

Full ROM is best in most cases, but not all, and varies with experience and the muscles being worked, possible injuries which limit range of motion, and other factors which consist of more than three syllables.

OP's living in a van DOWN BY THE RIVER getting high off shampoo fumes. Curls in teh squat rack are acceptable if no one is using it.
Chill the fuk down.

Have a great day.
:)

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 07:02 PM
I can deal. Sure, but now it incorporates leg drive when seated.

Leg drive? No. The advantage is your back pushed up against the back rest used for leverage. Nothing to do with leg drive. That is why the OP mentioned doing it on a backless stool before being okay (which he made up btw).


I'll test that out. I'll run my last OHP weight seated and see if I can pound out more reps. I'm fairly confident I'll hit a higher number bropunzel.

Higher number--of course. I just said it isn't gonna be an astronomical difference.

I will take the trade-off it of not being a "classic" OHP in exchange for knowing it is for sure gonna be strict every rep. (Which is more important for muscle development and building strength IMO).

acrawlingchaos
06-20-2014, 07:06 PM
Leg drive? No. The advantage is your back pushed up against the back rest used for leverage. Nothing to do with leg drive. That is why the OP mentioned doing it on a backless stool before being okay (which he made up btw).



Higher number--of course. I just said it isn't gonna be an astronomical difference.

I will take the trade-off it of not being a "classic" OHP in exchange for knowing it is for sure gonna be strict every rep. (Which is more important for muscle development and building strength IMO).I never said it was better. I only said different. :)

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 07:15 PM
If by different you mean not an OHP, which, you know, were the actual words you used, brahntasaurus....

Frnkd
06-20-2014, 07:19 PM
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That's high praise.
:D

Nice to be warned that puke will be shown........you know what they say about seeing someone yawning?


:D

GuyJin
06-20-2014, 07:22 PM
Nice to be warned that puke will be shown........you know what they say about seeing someone yawning?


:D
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No, what do they say?
I iz confoozed.

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 07:25 PM
There's vid of Rawelite ripping off SETS at 255 on this site. Yet somebody still shoots on him for it not being "strict" and it being more of a push press in the thread.

Then I do 250 seated-for the purpose of ensuring that it IS strict--and get shot on for sitting down.

I guess the bottom line is haterz are always gonna hate. Which is sad since it should just be about bendin' the bar anyway.....

GuyJin
06-20-2014, 07:32 PM
In all seriousness, ajdletters...do you really give a phuk what some people say on an impersonal medium such as the Interwebz? I mean, seriously? You do for you, do what gives you results and who cares? S--t, I got ripped on by a few people for writing about certain things (not only on this forum but on others) and that hasn't stopped me, so hey, those people ain't gonna read what I write, those same people ain't gonna work out like you do OR get the results you do...let it go, already.

Have a great day. Me, I gotta go to work and then get back to writing.
:)

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 07:37 PM
No, I don't give a phuk. But like I said earlier, I fell for the OP's troll-job hook, line, and seater....

so-tex
06-20-2014, 07:50 PM
There's vid of Rawelite ripping off SETS at 255 on this site. Yet somebody still shoots on him for it not being "strict" and it being more of a push press in the thread.

Then I do 250 seated-for the purpose of ensuring that it IS strict--and get shot on for sitting down.

I guess the bottom line is haterz are always gonna hate. Which is sad since it should just be about bendin' the bar anyway.....Just do whatever you feel you need to do. Fuk what somebody else thinks as long as you're making progress.


In all seriousness, ajdletters...do you really give a phuk what some people say on an impersonal medium such as the Interwebz? I mean, seriously? You do for you, do what gives you results and who cares? S--t, I got ripped on by a few people for writing about certain things (not only on this forum but on others) and that hasn't stopped me, so hey, those people ain't gonna read what I write, those same people ain't gonna work out like you do OR get the results you do...let it go, already.

Have a great day. Me, I gotta go to work and then get back to writing.
:)Word!

Oceanside
06-20-2014, 07:58 PM
Troll or not, starting this thread was just an extension of his shooting on me in the OHP thread.

he was after your pride and he found it :)

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 08:03 PM
he was after your pride and he found it :)

The mark of an experienced troll, no doubt. I just didn't expect peeps like ACC to be his sheep....

Oceanside
06-20-2014, 08:19 PM
The mark of an experienced troll, no doubt. I just didn't expect peeps like ACC to be his sheep....

to the best of my knowledge I was probably about the first one here to drag a camera into the weight room for the sake of credibility on this website message board 4 1/2 years ago....

post a vid and be humble....

that concept totally escapes certain members and ex members here :)

edit..

good strength on the 250 overhead.

so-tex
06-20-2014, 08:32 PM
The mark of an experienced troll, no doubt. I just didn't expect peeps like ACC to be his sheep....Chaos was just stating his opinion. Don't take it personally, and for the record ACC may be a lot of things, but sheep isn't one of them.


to the best of my knowledge I was probably about the first one here to drag a camera into the weight room for the sake of credibility on this website message board 4 1/2 years ago....

post a vid and be humble....

that concept totally escapes certain members and ex members here :)

Yup, I remember those vids. Probably the best ones I have seen on this site.

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 08:37 PM
Chaos was just stating his opinion. Don't take it personally, and for the record ACC may be a lot of things, but sheep isn't one of them.

Well he indirectly assisted the troll-job, sheep or not, brah....

so-tex
06-20-2014, 08:42 PM
Well he indirectly assisted the troll-job, sheep or not, brah....It was his fuking opinion. Get over it 'brah'. :)

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 08:50 PM
It was his fuking opinion. Get over it 'brah'. :)

Nah, he was trolling some at first too cuz he backtracked from "not an OHP" to just "different" afterwards....

Jtbny
06-20-2014, 08:51 PM
It was his fuking opinion. Get over it 'brah'. :)

This! Geez who cares. Either way it was a strong lift....


For an incline press....


:D

ajdahlheimer
06-20-2014, 08:56 PM
This! Geez who cares. Either way it was a strong lift....


For an incline press....


:D

And boom goes the dynamite!

Old-Time-Lifter
06-20-2014, 09:26 PM
This! Geez who cares. Either way it was a strong lift....


For an incline press....


:D

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1509684/serious-rofl-o.gif

http://i.imgur.com/ImoeB.gif
(well I'll hit ya as soon as I'm off spread with ya anyways ;) / Somebody rep this man fer me!)

Karl_Hungus
06-20-2014, 10:01 PM
Higher number--of course. I just said it isn't gonna be an astronomical difference.


It depends -- If you've never done standing before, and you go from seated to standing, the difference is going to be pretty big -- mainly because your ability to press the weight is going to be limited by the ability to keep your upper body stable while pressing the weight (muscles of the trunk/core need to become adapted to it). But if you have some experience doing them standing, then I agree with you, they should be pretty close.

Seated or standing, 250 lbs is a respectable number.

acrawlingchaos
06-20-2014, 10:03 PM
Nah, he was trolling some at first too cuz he backtracked from "not an OHP" to just "different" afterwards....Nope, just didn't know why OP got to you. He simply stated X isn't Y, and I agreed. Any version is great, but certainly not equivalent.

For the record, I personally appreciate others tearing my lifts apart. Which I did not do to your lift.


I guess the bottom line is haterz are always gonna hate. Which is sad since it should just be about bendin' the bar anyway.....http://replygif.net/i/1481.gif


This! Geez who cares. Either way it was a strong lift....


For an incline press....


:Dlost it.... phuckin LOL




to the best of my knowledge I was probably about the first one here to drag a camera into the weight room for the sake of credibility on this website message board 4 1/2 years ago....

post a vid and be humble....

that concept totally escapes certain members and ex members here :)

edit..

good strength on the 250 overhead.I swear... I still post vids. I suck less then before. Not much less, but less.

Oceanside
06-20-2014, 10:13 PM
I swear... I still post vids. I suck less then before. Not much less, but less.

:) :) :)

no doubt you're doing your best :)

ChazWood
06-20-2014, 10:42 PM
This is what happens when bodyhard's not around to entertain us - we turn on each other. It's like when you remove an important crustacean from a reef; the whole ecosystem collapses.

Let's try to be nicer to each other my salty friends. For the sake of the reef.

Oceanside
06-20-2014, 10:48 PM
we turn on each other.

like sharks I tell ya !

Brackneyc
06-20-2014, 10:57 PM
like sharks I tell ya !

Landsharks?










😄

Oceanside
06-20-2014, 10:59 PM
Landsharks?
��

sharks with sharp teeth !

Brackneyc
06-20-2014, 11:01 PM
sharks with sharp teeth !

Sharp false teeth. :)

Oceanside
06-20-2014, 11:04 PM
Sharp false teeth. :)

sharp sharks teeth !

acrawlingchaos
06-20-2014, 11:06 PM
sharp sharks teeth !It's past your bedtime, I can tell.

ChazWood
06-20-2014, 11:06 PM
sharp sharks teeth !
and freakin' lasers.

acrawlingchaos
06-20-2014, 11:07 PM
and freakin' lasers.You too... I can tell you must be tired.

ChazWood
06-20-2014, 11:09 PM
You too... I can tell you must be tired.
How can you tell? is it because I'm gassy?

Oceanside
06-20-2014, 11:10 PM
It's past your bedtime, I can tell.

yup !

so-tex
06-20-2014, 11:25 PM
One thing I know for sure. Some Jimmies were easily rustled(not surprising), but they weren't mine. :)

kimm4
06-20-2014, 11:37 PM
One thing I know for sure. Some Jimmies were easily rustled(not surprising), but they weren't mine. :)

I'm trying to think of a thread where no jimmies are rustled and everyone leaves happy.

Nope, can't think of one...

so-tex
06-21-2014, 12:10 AM
I'm trying to think of a thread where no jimmies are rustled and everyone leaves happy.

Nope, can't think of one...There are some Kimm... But not many. :)

BrandG
06-21-2014, 12:17 AM
Hey man, if you wanna work half your chest with half reps, fine by me. I'll look better/be stronger in the long run abd you'll only make me seem better

pharmamarketer
06-21-2014, 04:12 AM
I'm trying to think of a thread where no jimmies are rustled and everyone leaves happy.

Nope, can't think of one...

Charles' "dat ass" thread. That's a killer thread and if your jimmies are rustled there it's time to exit planet earth.

I would say journals but someone one starred mine so clearly my training rustled someone's panties. :D

ajdahlheimer
06-21-2014, 04:48 AM
It depends -- If you've never done standing before, and you go from seated to standing, the difference is going to be pretty big -- mainly because your ability to press the weight is going to be limited by the ability to keep your upper body stable while pressing the weight (muscles of the trunk/core need to become adapted to it). But if you have some experience doing them standing, then I agree with you, they should be pretty close.

Seated or standing, 250 lbs is a respectable number.

It wouldn't be a whole lot different in my case, as I have an olympic lifting background (competed in clean, jerk, and snatch in as a prep). Also, once you hit a number like 250 there's simply relativity involved. Its safe to say those same muscles used for standing OHP are already strong/developed at that point-so that lift will be strong as well, just not quote as much if you're serious about staying strict and don't cheat.

Old-Time-Lifter
06-21-2014, 05:26 AM
I'm trying to think of a thread where no jimmies are rustled and everyone leaves happy.

Nope, can't think of one...

Sounds like a challenge to the O35? ;)

frozensparky
06-21-2014, 11:04 AM
Jimmies definitely russled in this thread. Day three and still defending a position. I would say half way through the year this is a contender for troll of the year.

Jtbny
06-21-2014, 11:14 AM
It wouldn't be a whole lot different in my case, as I have an olympic lifting background (competed in clean, jerk, and snatch in as a prep). Also, once you hit a number like 250 there's simply relativity involved. Its safe to say those same muscles used for standing OHP are already strong/developed at that point-so that lift will be strong as well, just not quote as much if you're serious about staying strict and don't cheat.

Only one way to find out brosasaures rex...


Bend that bar.

ajdahlheimer
06-21-2014, 12:40 PM
Only one way to find out brosasaures rex...


Bend that bar.

So then I can get trolled for a push-press?

Get bent brah.

acrawlingchaos
06-21-2014, 12:42 PM
Only one way to find outTried it today (deload shoulders).

My last +1 OHP session I managed 110 x 5.
Seated today, I managed 115 x 8.

This places my strict OHP (military press) 1rm at ~125 and my seated at around ~150.

I never do seated, but with leg drive and a slightly arched back to include more of the clavicular head of the chest, I increased performance by about ~20%. With more practice, I could probably get better leg drive. I'll test out my seated again in two months and make another comparison.

acrawlingchaos
06-21-2014, 12:50 PM
So then I can get trolled for a push-press? Only if you do a push press and call it an OHP.

MrSmellGood
06-21-2014, 01:14 PM
I once got the clap from using full ROM on benchpress


LOL! thanks man just spat my coffee all over the place! hahahaha

Jtbny
06-21-2014, 02:19 PM
So then I can get trolled for a push-press?

Get bent brah.

Don't push press it bramilliad.

eomrat
06-21-2014, 02:21 PM
The mark of an experienced troll, no doubt. I just didn't expect peeps like ACC to be his sheep....

I don't think you know what the word "troll" means, or "sheep" for that matter.

Jtbny
06-21-2014, 02:24 PM
Charles' "dat ass" thread. That's a killer thread and if your jimmies are rustled there it's time to exit planet earth.

I would say journals but someone one starred mine so clearly my training rustled someone's panties. :D

Just went and five starred your journal....


It did nothing...


My stars suck :(

so-tex
06-21-2014, 02:25 PM
Don't push press it bramilliad.That was pretty damn funny. :)


I don't think you know what the word "troll" means, or "sheep" for that matter.I tried pointing this out to him. He just doesn't get it.

Corbi
06-21-2014, 02:50 PM
Hey man, if you wanna work half your chest with half reps, fine by me. I'll look better/be stronger in the long run abd you'll only make me seem better

Looking real swole there........:D

Jtbny
06-21-2014, 03:08 PM
I don't think you know what the word "troll" means, or "sheep" for that matter.

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w369/Jtbny1125/9a2c09cf112312c29131fcb23ebf1849.jpg

ajdahlheimer
06-21-2014, 03:24 PM
I don't think you know what the word "troll" means, or "sheep" for that matter.

OP was looking for a push--so he went and got the best damn jobber in the business (ACC) to help put him over....


Successful shoot is successful.

GreenWave1
06-21-2014, 03:36 PM
So you're getting the noodz?


So far only yours..........


Yeah, but it made your day, didn't it?
:D


http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/MATT-SCOTT-PUKING-AGAIN.gif

I get that a lot. Some manscaping might be in order.

Old-Time-Lifter
06-21-2014, 08:07 PM
I get that a lot. Some manscaping might be in order.

Ok now... lol

thor93
06-22-2014, 10:53 AM
Only if you do a push press and call it an OHP.


I'm tired of guys doing what they call a "Seated overhead press" while they're back is up against a platform based backrest apparatus.
It'll always be a "High incline benchpress" as long as they do it that way,which is nothing wrong if you dont call it "seated ohp".
Just call it the right thing ! And if one really truly wants to do an official seated ohp,dont have/use or incorporate a backrest for pete's sake allready ! : /

thor93
06-22-2014, 11:01 AM
Hey man, if you wanna work half your chest with half reps, fine by me. I'll look better/be stronger in the long run abd you'll only make me seem better

Nah,actually,entire chest is still worked with half reps,as are tri's and potentially to much greater extent due to ability to lift way more weight
resistance from shortened rom. The only thing not worked entirely would be rotator cuffs,which is much less strain for those with rotator cuff
issues such as myself. My front delts still get worked plentifully on half rom bench reps but no excessive r.cuff strain. And also,if someone asks me whats you're max bench,i just say,i have no bench max coz i dont bench full rom,simple as that. With chest dips,i have more than half rom but its still not full rom,but with dips you can barely tell the difference between 2/3rd reps and 3/4reps which most people do anyways with chest dips,as full rom on chest dips is a notoriously common way to really trash you're rotator cuffs. i would know,back in 97 i was doing heavy weighted full rom weighted dips and i almost threw my whole shoulder out just high fiving someone.

thor93
06-22-2014, 11:08 AM
to the best of my knowledge I was probably about the first one here to drag a camera into the weight room for the sake of credibility on this website message board 4 1/2 years ago....

post a vid and be humble....

that concept totally escapes certain members and ex members here :)

edit..

good strength on the 250 Lb "High Incline BenchPress".



Fixed.

DuracellBunny
06-22-2014, 12:00 PM
I'm tired of guys doing what they call a "Seated overhead press" while they're back is up against a platform based backrest apparatus.
It'll always be a "High incline benchpress" as long as they do it that way,which is nothing wrong if you dont call it "seated ohp".
Just call it the right thing ! And if one really truly wants to do an official seated ohp,dont have/use or incorporate a backrest for pete's sake allready ! : /

I do them on a flat bench. Sit straddling the bench, push the bar up against the uprights until it's high enough to unrack and then press right there in that position. I consider seated with no back support to actually be stricter than standing as it's physically impossible to lean back or use leg drive when pressing in this position.

thor93
06-22-2014, 12:27 PM
I do them on a flat bench. Sit straddling the bench, push the bar up against the uprights until it's high enough to unrack and then press right there in that position. I consider seated with no back support to actually be stricter than standing as it's physically impossible to lean back or use leg drive when pressing in this position.


Finally !,someone that gets it !

DuracellBunny
06-22-2014, 12:39 PM
Finally !,someone that gets it !

They are actually very good as rehab (I started doing them after a shoulder injury) as you can't twist, recruit other muscles to compensate etc. The mechanics of the movement force you to get under the bar, bring your head through and all the other goodies as you can't flare your elbows.

Everybody that I have got to do them has brought the bar down to touch the clavicle every rep as well; something about the position seems to discourage the habit that some people have of coming down to chin level, so not a great choice if you want to do partial ROM ;)

Frnkd
06-26-2014, 01:43 PM
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No, what do they say?
I iz confoozed.

When you see someone yawn, youll prbly yawn too.

Brackneyc
06-26-2014, 02:20 PM
I'm tired of guys doing what they call a "Seated overhead press" while they're back is up against a platform based backrest apparatus.
It'll always be a "High incline benchpress" as long as they do it that way,which is nothing wrong if you dont call it "seated ohp".
Just call it the right thing ! And if one really truly wants to do an official seated ohp,dont have/use or incorporate a backrest for pete's sake allready ! : /


You're tired of guys calling a specific movement by a name you disagree with. You lack real problems, and I envy you that.

Old-Time-Lifter
06-26-2014, 03:19 PM
You're tired of guys calling a specific movement by a name you disagree with. You lack real problems, and I envy you that.

qft

ahawk01
06-28-2014, 08:40 PM
I only worry about me and I do full rom on bench and squats. If others don't, good for them. I've heard people say it's easier on their shoulders not touching their chest on the bench. I'm no expert here but I always assume when I hear that the person saying it just really doesn't know how to bench. Maybe it is easier on the shoulders...idk.

I wish I could do full ROM on bench. My shoulders hurt for weeks if I do incline bench full rom.