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OldCoach
04-10-2014, 04:47 PM
My favorite cousin (like a sister), a single mom, was walking to her car from the gym in a big NJ town. She was punched in the face full force from behind and left on the sidewalk unconscious. Thankfully a couple of strangers took her to the hospital. No witnesses and police can't help much. Her head is so swollen she can't see out of one eye. The knockout game is something I guess I will never understand. It happens to all ages and an old guy from Syracuse was knocked out dead. 70 years old. My cousin's little girl is having a hard time coping with this as am I.
They say that real evil is the lack of empathy.

SP1966
04-10-2014, 05:07 PM
But Chrissy Hayes says the Knockout game isn't even real. Who am I to believe?

whatevergirl
04-10-2014, 05:12 PM
My favorite cousin (like a sister), a single mom, was walking to her car from the gym in a big NJ town. She was punched in the face full force from behind and left on the sidewalk unconscious. Thankfully a couple of strangers took her to the hospital. No witnesses and police can't help much. Her head is so swollen she can't see out of one eye. The knockout game is something I guess I will never understand. It happens to all ages and an old guy from Syracuse was knocked out dead. 70 years old. My cousin's little girl is having a hard time coping with this as am I.
They say that real evil is the lack of empathy.

Wow, that's awful. :(

Hope she will be okay.

demike
04-10-2014, 05:15 PM
Hoping a speedy recovery and that the criminal is arrested.

TnRob
04-10-2014, 05:34 PM
Sorry to hear that, Coach. Best wishes to your cousin a full recovery.

On a side note - I'm waiting to start hearing more drastic stories surrounding the knockout game. Preferably some major MSM news stories that highlight victims leaving some of these punks laying in the street with their teeth knocked out.

OldCoach
04-10-2014, 05:39 PM
Thanks so much for the thoughts you guys:
SP....I'm not sure I understand you my friend?

Brackneyc
04-10-2014, 06:04 PM
Thanks so much for the thoughts you guys:
SP....I'm not sure I understand you my friend?


Google Chris Hayes and Knockout game.

paolo59
04-10-2014, 06:14 PM
There seemed to have been a rash of these some time back. I don't know if there are fewer of these incidents, or if the major media just isn't covering it much anymore. That sort of blatant, senseless violence is infuriating. Where was it some years ago, Thailand? Public Caning would be an appropriate initial penalty for anyone caught doing this sort of stupidity. Then 3 to 5 years in jail! :(

Prayers for your cousin.

Frnkd
04-10-2014, 06:31 PM
There seemed to have been a rash of these some time back. I don't know if there are fewer of these incidents, or if the major media just isn't covering it much anymore. That sort of blatant, senseless violence is infuriating. Where was it some years ago, Thailand? Public Caning would be an appropriate initial penalty for anyone caught doing this sort of stupidity. Then 3 to 5 years in jail! :(

Prayers for your cousin.

I think it was a kid caught for theft and vandalism in Singapore. An American kid so consequently there was a rash of outrage for his sentence of public caning. Not sure what the outcome was.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay


I agree anyone caught should be publicly caned

baker
04-10-2014, 06:37 PM
Coach best wishes to your cousin. Hope she has a full recovery.




I agree anyone caught should be publicly caned

This is a great idea. Would never happen in the USA though. Too many crybabies and political correctness.

V-240
04-10-2014, 06:41 PM
This is SO messed up.

:mad:

OldCoach
04-10-2014, 07:05 PM
Ahhh: got the Chris Hayes thing. So Wrong!!! and this is proof.

Thanks so much for your thoughts; all.

Corbi
04-10-2014, 07:06 PM
This is SO messed up.

:mad:

I want to see these punks try their little game on an able bodied male, perhaps a real pissed off Navy Seal? I read about crap like this and can't help but wonder just what makes these pricks act like this and also how bad society as whole is getting.


In other news I see Brack got banned, that's way out of character for him.

V-240
04-10-2014, 07:15 PM
They choose their victims carefully. Only those who look like they don't pose much of a retaliatory threat get punched.

One of these days, they may choose the wrong vic. And I hope it's caught on camera.

paolo59
04-10-2014, 07:20 PM
They choose their victims carefully. Only those who look like they don't pose much of a retaliatory threat get punched.

One of these days, they may choose the wrong vic. And I hope it's caught on camera.

What amazes me is that a good many of them are females. Three or four punk kids punching old people on the sidewalk! :( It just doesn't compute.

so-tex
04-10-2014, 07:33 PM
Coach, I'm sure sorry to hear this. As for the lack of empathy BS, these people, metaphorically need a kick in the nuts. What I would literally do to them I can't discuss here!

Wayne Evans
04-10-2014, 08:14 PM
OP....

It's all been said in the previous posts.
This story is another one that makes my blood boil.

TBH.....when I hear/read a story of this nature a vengeful rage wants to rear it's ugly head and makes me want to form a reinforced fire team and go hunting for the ilk.

I'm so sorry and hope she and all your orbit can heal from this.

Later....

OldCoach
04-11-2014, 08:21 AM
Update: The swelling is going down and the vision is back. I'm sure some of that is from the prayers and thoughts/vibes from you guys. I read all the posts and thanks very much.
If only I and a couple of you "Big Buffs" were there.
Coach

jeffaus
04-11-2014, 08:27 AM
Hearing this type of thing really sickens me. I hope she is ok Coach. These little punks need some of their own medicine.

latebloomingmom
04-11-2014, 08:29 AM
the young and the strong picking on the old or the defenseless...only now the muggers dont take your wallet or your purse
they just egg each other on and take youtube vids and then back slap each other
about how quick that person went down with the first surprise attack and how much blood squirted

desensitization from too much violence on tv
doesnt seem to quite cover it huh?

destruction of public property like driving by and whacking someone's mail box
has now become whacking someone in the face

and with it comes the superman cant touch me mentality

latebloomingmom
04-11-2014, 08:35 AM
of course I could launch into a whole lot of possible contributers..
permissive parenting
wanting to be your kid's good time charlie buddy instead of his parent
or parents so tuned out and self involved with their own lives they dont know where their kids are
or what they are doing
schools who now have very little ability to discipline the kids without getting sued
parents that dont discipline because its too much of a pain in azz
teenagers who come and go as they please and use mama and daddy as a crash pad
and laugh in their face when they try to ask where they are going



used to be if you got in a fight at school
school called ma and dad
and ya better have a damn good reason for why it happened
if ya didnt
you could expect your hide was gonna get tanned for it

I am sorry this has happened to your sister
and I hope she mends quickly
it is sad indeed the direction this society seems to be heading

Minotaur
04-11-2014, 10:36 AM
Hoping a speedy recovery and that the criminal is arrested.

He will be... he'll do it again to someone else, unfortunately.

I hope the lady recovers, but from personal experience, the mental trauma lingers.

sy2502
04-11-2014, 11:02 AM
Coach, I'm sure sorry to hear this. As for the lack of empathy BS, these people, metaphorically need a kick in the nuts. What I would literally do to them I can't discuss here!

Them AND their parents. Who's teaching these kids right from wrong?

whatevergirl
04-11-2014, 12:09 PM
Typically what breeds a lack of conscience and/or empathy is trauma of some sort from childhood. Usually, violent criminals had a screwed up childhood of some sort. I'm not saying that's a defense and many kids have messed up pasts and grow up to be productive members of society, but many don't.

Just makes me wonder what creates this type of mindset in a person.

Again, OP--I hope she will be ok. Keep us posted. :(

steffo99
04-11-2014, 12:31 PM
Having just watched the last episode of Vikings I would say people like that deserve the blood eagle.
Hoping your cousin will be ok.

GreenWave1
04-11-2014, 12:40 PM
That's horrible. I hope she has a quick recovery.

gumbacicc1
04-11-2014, 12:57 PM
It's a shame that these cowards do not try to attack someone who is not defenseless. I'm sure these idiots will eventually get theirs. Hopefully OP's cousin (and anyone else affected by this nonsense) makes a speedy recovery.

so-tex
04-11-2014, 01:20 PM
It's a shame that these cowards do not try to attack someone who is not defenseless. I'm sure these idiots will eventually get theirs. Hopefully OP's cousin (and anyone else affected by this nonsense) makes a speedy recovery.This one did.
/USvm6WlAq98

sy2502
04-11-2014, 01:56 PM
This one did.
/USvm6WlAq98

Where's the button to rep the guy in the video? :)

OldCoach
04-11-2014, 01:57 PM
Ahhhh Great stuff you guys Thanks for the feedback....all you guys. She is a really beautiful girl and the Doc. says she will have some ugly marks on her face for a long time.

Tex: those videos make me feel way better my friend.

Old-Time-Lifter
04-11-2014, 02:08 PM
Sorry to hear about her attack. Do they think the injuries will heal fully?

thomashenry
04-11-2014, 02:18 PM
My favorite cousin (like a sister), a single mom, was walking to her car from the gym in a big NJ town. She was punched in the face full force from behind and left on the sidewalk unconscious. Thankfully a couple of strangers took her to the hospital. No witnesses and police can't help much. Her head is so swollen she can't see out of one eye. The knockout game is something I guess I will never understand. It happens to all ages and an old guy from Syracuse was knocked out dead. 70 years old. My cousin's little girl is having a hard time coping with this as am I.
They say that real evil is the lack of empathy. I am quite sorry to hear about your Cousin, My Prayers are with Her and Hope she is ok in the Long Run

OldCoach
04-11-2014, 02:43 PM
From one old time lifter to another Thanks.

Hey Thomas Godbless!
Coach

OutOfStep
04-11-2014, 03:02 PM
I want to see these punks try their little game on an able bodied male, perhaps a real pissed off Navy Seal? I read about crap like this and can't help but wonder just what makes these pricks act like this and also how bad society as whole is getting.


In other news I see Brack got banned, that's way out of character for him.

Looking forward to the video of the coward who tries this **** on someone with a concealed carry.

Corbi
04-11-2014, 04:46 PM
Looking forward to the video of the coward who tries this **** on someone with a concealed carry.

The pussy liberals in this country would have a fukkin heart attack over some punk bitch getting shot.

thomashenry
04-12-2014, 08:37 AM
The pussy liberals in this country would have a fukkin heart attack over some punk bitch getting shot. Ya want your blood to truly Boil, follow the story of a man in DETROIT who accidently hit a child {who stepped in front of his truck} and the Man stopped to get out and help him to see if he was ok, and a Mob of amoral animals beat him senseless and he landed in the Hospital in a comma for doing the right thing, the Race pimps, Jackson, Sharpton Et al were nowhere to be found, see the guy who hit the child was white and the Double Standard is appalling a true harbinger of the state of our Nation in regards to right & wrong-------The darkness being embraced in this nation is frightening, "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. -Benjamin Franklin, "

paolo59
04-12-2014, 11:58 AM
Ya want your blood to truly Boil, follow the story of a man in DETROIT who accidently hit a child {who stepped in front of his truck} and the Man stopped to get out and help him to see if he was ok, and a Mob of amoral animals beat him senseless and he landed in the Hospital in a comma for doing the right thing, the Race pimps, Jackson, Sharpton Et al were nowhere to be found, see the guy who hit the child was white and the Double Standard is appalling a true harbinger of the state of our Nation in regards to right & wrong-------The darkness being embraced in this nation is frightening, "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. -Benjamin Franklin, "

I saw this on the news. Just breaks your heart. The fellow was at no fault whatsoever, just horrified that he had struck a child, and did what any responsible individual would do; stop, get out, and do what you can do to help. Vicious, blind, stupid ignorance makes my blood boil! :(

NorwichGrad
04-12-2014, 12:05 PM
That's horrible, Coach.. Really sorry to hear. Hope your cousin recovers and the criminal brought to justice.

Thomas - that's a shame about that guy in Detroit.. This is why I avoid the news. My blood is boiling just reading this thread.

thomashenry
04-12-2014, 12:10 PM
I saw this on the news. Just breaks your heart. The fellow was at no fault whatsoever, just horrified that he had struck a child, and did what any responsible individual would do; stop, get out, and do what you can do to help. Vicious, blind, stupid ignorance makes my blood boil! :( Amoral, vicious with no conscience, inexcusable, this man did what any civil sane person would do in that instance, and this happens, my 1st reaction was Now what do you think people will do if this occurs again , and how crazy is that, doing the right thing or risking life to help and again the double standard is blatant and just as sick

paolo59
04-12-2014, 12:20 PM
Amoral, vicious with no conscience, inexcusable, this man did what any civil sane person would do in that instance, and this happens, my 1st reaction was Now what do you think people will do if this occurs again , and how crazy is that, doing the right thing or risking life to help and again the double standard is blatant and just as sick

I know from reporting on the incident that the city of Detroit was horrified, incensed and up in arms about the whole thing. I believe the police are doing everything humanly possible to find those who mercilessly beat that poor man. I trust that they do! If you act like a mindless, rabid dog, you ought to be treated like one!

Brackneyc
04-12-2014, 12:21 PM
I know from reporting on the incident that the city of Detroit was horrified, incensed and up in arms about the whole thing. I believe the police are doing everything humanly possible to find those who mercilessly beat that poor man. I trust that they do! If you act like a mindless, rabid dog, you ought to be treated like one!


If it only worked that way...

machined
04-12-2014, 12:28 PM
Looking forward to the video of the coward who tries this **** on someone with a concealed carry.


Agree. Also for the truck driver.

thomashenry
04-12-2014, 12:31 PM
I know from reporting on the incident that the city of Detroit was horrified, incensed and up in arms about the whole thing. I believe the police are doing everything humanly possible to find those who mercilessly beat that poor man. I trust that they do! If you act like a mindless, rabid dog, you ought to be treated like one! Yes a Woman {Good Samaritan} stopped it Thank God, and a great many are upset, which they should be, it unfortunately, the incident, gained National and World attention once again on Detroit, in a negative light ! which is truly too bad. Immediate swift & retributive actual Justice would prove to others Beware, No one has the Stones to do it.

OldCoach
04-12-2014, 12:41 PM
Hey....thanks Norwich

Thomas, saw that on the news.....not the mainstream news if you know what I mean. Horrible

frozensparky
04-12-2014, 12:50 PM
Looking forward to the video of the coward who tries this **** on someone with a concealed carry.

Concealed carry will not help many people in this situation. Taking a punch and reacting is a huge difference when you know your being attacked. A sucker punch is a whole other story. These cowards hit and run leaving victims stunned or unconscious. Chances of being able to take the hit, pull a gun, and have a clear enough head to aim and fire before the pu$$y is gone, I'm guessing pretty slim.

thomashenry
04-12-2014, 01:18 PM
Concealed carry will not help many people in this situation. Taking a punch and reacting is a huge difference when you know your being attacked. A sucker punch is a whole other story. These cowards hit and run leaving victims stunned or unconscious. Chances of being able to take the hit, pull a gun, and have a clear enough head to aim and fire before the pu$$y is gone, I'm guessing pretty slim. Having an Open Carry sidearm in & of itself can {sometimes} be a deterrent, nevertheless Detroit is kinda like Baghdad without all the Glitter, so the badguys are generally carrying as well, and the Detroit Police Chief, the new new one has publicly indicated the citizens have every right to defend themselves, because waiting for the police to respond is putting your life in imminent danger, and a few have taken that upon themselves recently

frozensparky
04-12-2014, 01:34 PM
Having an Open Carry sidearm in & of itself can {sometimes} be a deterrent, nevertheless Detroit is kinda like Baghdad without all the Glitter, so the badguys are generally carrying as well, and the Detroit Police Chief, the new new one has publicly indicated the citizens have every right to defend themselves, because waiting for the police to respond is putting your life in imminent danger, and a few have taken that upon themselves recently

Oh I agree the carry can be a deterrent because these people prey on people who pose no threat. I was more responding that it's probably not going to help much once you've been sucker punched. I would guess a high percentage of people (even a lot who know how to fight and can take a regular punch) are not going to have their wits after taking a surprise punch to the jaw or temple.

thomashenry
04-12-2014, 01:52 PM
Oh I agree the carry can be a deterrent because these people prey on people who pose no threat. I was more responding that it's probably not going to help much once you've been sucker punched. I would guess a high percentage of people (even a lot who know how to fight and can take a regular punch) are not going to have their wits after taking a surprise punch to the jaw or temple. True story, in my younger days, I went to dance with a dude who really knew Karate {I didn`t know that }, he spun around so fast and hit me with the point of his elbow square in my eye socket, it was like wiley coyote seeing stars, I went down on one knee and he never touched me again, I looked exactly for a week as to what you would expect, we were actually friends after that, played hockey together, But there are some you alluded to Predators that even when down close in for the Kill

UnaChispita
04-12-2014, 03:02 PM
I think it was a kid caught for theft and vandalism in Singapore. An American kid so consequently there was a rash of outrage for his sentence of public caning. Not sure what the outcome was.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay


I agree anyone caught should be publicly caned

I know what happened in that case. Pres Clinton requested that Singapore return the teen to the US to face punishment here. Singapore refused. The kid was caned (publicly) and returned to the US.


@Coach-

Sorry about your cousin. I will pray for her.

Minors who do that should be tried as adults.

paolo59
04-12-2014, 03:07 PM
I know what happened in that case. Pres Clinton requested that Singapore return the teen to the US to face punishment here. Singapore refused. The kid was caned (publicly) and returned to the US.


@Coach-

Sorry about your cousin. I will pray for her.

Minors who do that should be tried as adults.

I guess the next time the little miscreant goes to Singapore he'll know better than to steal things and vandalize somebody's property! :) I do trust that his little psyche suffered no permanent damage as a result of the whole ordeal.

UnaChispita
04-12-2014, 03:11 PM
I guess the next time the little miscreant goes to Singapore he'll know better than to steal things and vandalize somebody's property! :) I do trust that his little psyche suffered no permanent damage as a result of the whole ordeal.

:)

Yeah. He was an American in school in Singapore. He and a bunch of his buddies thought it would be funny to spray paint cars. They got caught and the others left the country before they faced punishment.

That knock-out game just makes me spittin mad. Bunch of gutless, immoral turds.

pharmamarketer
04-12-2014, 03:37 PM
Thanks so much for the thoughts you guys:
SP....I'm not sure I understand you my friend?


Hayes is a douche from MSNBC that dismissed the "knockout game".

thomashenry
04-12-2014, 04:27 PM
Hayes is a douche from MSNBC that dismissed the "knockout game". He is just one of many in that conga line of misfits over at MSLSD

so-tex
04-12-2014, 04:45 PM
He is just one of many in that conga line of misfits over at MSLSDGood one Tom. :)

OldCoach
04-12-2014, 04:59 PM
Yeah: Chris Matthews gets that feeling....up his leg.
M.S.LSD.

whatevergirl
04-18-2014, 05:38 PM
Hope your cousin is doing better, OldCoach. Thinking of her.

igsm1969
04-18-2014, 11:14 PM
Just this evening when I was walking just two blocks from my gym, two girls started getting a bit too close to me as I was about to pass and started laughing and taunting, saying, "I'm homeless! I'm homeless!" I had been on our area news back in November, and apparently they were making fun of me. I was not in the mood, so I stopped and nearly got into their faces and said, "WTF is that supposed to mean?! Da fck?!" They bobbed their heads at me, did their hand gestures as if to say, "come at me" and I said, "look, stay off the crack and get a life". They followed me as I walked towards my apartment and called out for a friend to join in ganging up on me. I was like, "really? Two of you and you need a friend to take me? And start stuff with me and get mad when I dare respond? Whatever. You know where I live." They turned around quickly when I reached in my bag for my keys. They weren't so sure what I was reaching for. I realized that I could have pulled out my leather powerlifting belt and swung that around wildly (with the buckle on the end to do some damage). Just was not a day to deal with idiots.

so-tex
04-18-2014, 11:39 PM
Just this evening when I was walking just two blocks from my gym, two girls started getting a bit too close to me as I was about to pass and started laughing and taunting, saying, "I'm homeless! I'm homeless!" I had been on our area news back in November, and apparently they were making fun of me. I was not in the mood, so I stopped and nearly got into their faces and said, "WTF is that supposed to mean?! Da fck?!" They bobbed their heads at me, did their hand gestures as if to say, "come at me" and I said, "look, stay off the crack and get a life". They followed me as I walked towards my apartment and called out for a friend to join in ganging up on me. I was like, "really? Two of you and you need a friend to take me? And start stuff with me and get mad when I dare respond? Whatever. You know where I live." They turned around quickly when I reached in my bag for my keys. They weren't so sure what I was reaching for. I realized that I could have pulled out my leather powerlifting belt and swung that around wildly (with the buckle on the end to do some damage). Just was not a day to deal with idiots.That's pretty fuked up. I can't take sh!t like that without putting up a fight. I'm a pretty laid back guy. My friends can piss all over me as far as jokes and stuff and not a single fuk is given. When a stranger makes a threat, it's no holes barred. I go into fighting mode whether it's one or ten. Kick ass or get my ass kicked, I really don't care, but I will never surrender myself to threats.

whatevergirl
04-19-2014, 12:15 AM
Just this evening when I was walking just two blocks from my gym, two girls started getting a bit too close to me as I was about to pass and started laughing and taunting, saying, "I'm homeless! I'm homeless!" I had been on our area news back in November, and apparently they were making fun of me. I was not in the mood, so I stopped and nearly got into their faces and said, "WTF is that supposed to mean?! Da fck?!" They bobbed their heads at me, did their hand gestures as if to say, "come at me" and I said, "look, stay off the crack and get a life". They followed me as I walked towards my apartment and called out for a friend to join in ganging up on me. I was like, "really? Two of you and you need a friend to take me? And start stuff with me and get mad when I dare respond? Whatever. You know where I live." They turned around quickly when I reached in my bag for my keys. They weren't so sure what I was reaching for. I realized that I could have pulled out my leather powerlifting belt and swung that around wildly (with the buckle on the end to do some damage). Just was not a day to deal with idiots.

Damn, that sounds crazy. Glad you are ok and nothing happened.

That's pretty fuked up. I can't take sh!t like that without putting up a fight. I'm a pretty laid back guy. My friends can piss all over me as far as jokes and stuff and not a single fuk is given. When a stranger makes a threat, it's no holes barred. I go into fighting mode whether it's one or ten. Kick ass or get my ass kicked, I really don't care, but I will never surrender myself to threats.

That's interesting. You don't think it's wiser sometimes to just walk away from it?
Suppose the person/people are just "taunting" and you react, and then one pulls out a gun? To me, if you can walk away, might be better. Don't want to see anything bad happen to ya! :o

so-tex
04-19-2014, 12:27 AM
Damn, that sounds crazy. Glad you are ok and nothing happened.


That's interesting. You don't think it's wiser sometimes to just walk away from it?
Suppose the person/people are just "taunting" and you react, and then one pulls out a gun? To me, if you can walk away, might be better. Don't want to see anything bad happen to ya! :oI'd rather be dead than walk away. Guess it's a pride thing.

whatevergirl
04-19-2014, 11:39 AM
I'd rather be dead than walk away. Guess it's a pride thing.

Really? That's interesting to me.
To me, it's not worth letting someone's words get to you. But, given the situation, who knows. lol :o

igsm1969
04-20-2014, 10:58 AM
That's pretty fuked up. I can't take sh!t like that without putting up a fight. I'm a pretty laid back guy. My friends can piss all over me as far as jokes and stuff and not a single fuk is given. When a stranger makes a threat, it's no holes barred. I go into fighting mode whether it's one or ten. Kick ass or get my ass kicked, I really don't care, but I will never surrender myself to threats.

Turns out that a guy in the building saw it and knows who those girls hang out with from the building. He told me he is going to the manager about them. I walked to and from the gym with my powerlifting belt in my hand ready in case I ran into them again. They really don't want to be on the receiving end of that belt with the buckle!

superman713
04-20-2014, 07:47 PM
Really? That's interesting to me.
To me, it's not worth letting someone's words get to you. But, given the situation, who knows. lol :o

talking sht... sure, walk away.
make a threat be it verbal or physical... stand up and put the threat down! by any means. Otherwise you make yourself for ongoing torment. Fuk a bully.

Brackneyc
04-20-2014, 08:10 PM
That's pretty fuked up. I can't take sh!t like that without putting up a fight. I'm a pretty laid back guy. My friends can piss all over me as far as jokes and stuff and not a single fuk is given. When a stranger makes a threat, it's no holes barred. I go into fighting mode whether it's one or ten. Kick ass or get my ass kicked, I really don't care, but I will never surrender myself to threats.


How often are strangers making threats towards you?

whatevergirl
04-20-2014, 08:19 PM
talking sht... sure, walk away.
make a threat be it verbal or physical... stand up and put the threat down! by any means. Otherwise you make yourself for ongoing torment. Fuk a bully.

To a point, yea. I hear ya.

But nowadays, with so many people packing guns, it's not worth tempting fate.