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dizzin9
03-22-2014, 02:38 PM
was browsing SI and came across this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/photos/7001/nba-50-point-scorers-last-10-years/


cot dayum, 23.



discuss.

ImJJames
03-22-2014, 02:41 PM
Discuss what?

Just know that KD>>>>Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lelayup

khanvictt
03-22-2014, 03:15 PM
kobe is modern day wilt in terms of points. what's there to discuss?

Shutuponions
03-22-2014, 03:18 PM
mind blown that jermain oneal and dwill had a 50pt game


edit: wow unaware on how beast he was when he was on the pacers

4567081110
03-22-2014, 03:22 PM
kobe is a good scorer, who would've guessed?


the only thing about that that really amazes me is that most of those 50 point games came in such a short time period. That 05-07 period, cot dayum.


Also, inb4 Lebron hate, it's bound to happen.


mind blown that jermain oneal and dwill had a 50pt game


edit: wow unaware on how beast he was when he was on the pacers

he was a great player back in the day, and even on GS he's been a great role player. The only player that surprised me on that list was TP, I didn't recall him having that many points in a game.

Reptarr
03-22-2014, 03:22 PM
mind=blown at andre miller

broseidon55
03-22-2014, 03:22 PM
Surprised to see rip, Andre miller, and Damon stoudimire

BostonRockets
03-22-2014, 03:25 PM
mind=blown at andre miller

this lol... also surprised to see parker. doesnt seem like the type to take that many shots to even get 50

MusicalHam
03-22-2014, 03:27 PM
Only a matter of time before Harden up on there

jross2021
03-22-2014, 03:32 PM
this thread is now about Michael Redd

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Shortstop36
03-22-2014, 03:46 PM
andre miller.


is this real life.

ShweezyBTFO
03-22-2014, 04:19 PM
this thread is now about Michael Redd

LMcOB1EI-Sg

better than any Eminem song ever.

Indy2thaWindy
03-22-2014, 05:41 PM
I remember the Miller and Parker games.

TaeBoNinja
03-22-2014, 06:42 PM
Son, Kobe had four straight 50 point games, which is more than most of those player's career numbers. GOATbe gonna GOAT

DaReal25
03-22-2014, 06:47 PM
KD nut riders where for art thou? Brb Lebronald is not a pure scorer and has 6 more 50 point games than Durcant

SupersonicBR
03-22-2014, 06:59 PM
Strong WTF at 23 50+ games from Kobe.

SupersonicBR
03-22-2014, 07:01 PM
Oh, and remember when Jennings scored 55 points and every lottery fan base were kicking themselves for not drafting him? good times.

SupersonicBR
03-22-2014, 07:03 PM
mind=blown at andre miller

Actually more surprised to see Jermaine O'neal on that list.

FoxMcCocks
03-22-2014, 08:23 PM
jamal crawford had not one but THREE 50 pt games??

that has to be the most surprsing of all of them

khanvictt
03-22-2014, 09:23 PM
Strong WTF at 23 50+ games from Kobe.

im pretty sure he has more. this list only shows after 2003

Krunk Fu
03-22-2014, 09:30 PM
andre miller.


is this real life.

Andre Miller used to be nice when you were 8-9 years old.

SupersonicBR
03-22-2014, 09:30 PM
im pretty sure he has more. this list only shows after 2003

Oh, i'm sure you're right, i meant with the past ten years, it's insane though at how many 50+ games he has on anybody else on that list, and most of those guys have been playing all those 10 years, LeBron, Wade, Crawford, Pierce, Dirk, etc.

ArthurAardvark
03-22-2014, 09:50 PM
mind blown that jermain oneal and dwill had a 50pt game


edit: wow unaware on how beast he was when he was on the pacers

yea jermaine o'neal used to pimp hard.

he fell off hard. never imagined he'd go from that good to so damn mediocre so fast.

XeReaZ
03-22-2014, 09:52 PM
Mind=blown Terrance Ross has a 50 point game.

4567081110
03-22-2014, 09:59 PM
Mind=blown Terrance Ross has a 50 point game.

that was earlier this year...

weeabrah
03-22-2014, 11:35 PM
i miss agent zero :(

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HelloDurr
03-23-2014, 12:00 AM
mind=blown at andre miller

Lol I watched this game...

He was shooting lights out at mid range and his craft up and under moves

Krunk Fu
03-23-2014, 12:13 AM
Lol I watched this game...

He was shooting lights out at mid range and his craft up and under moves

he was way underrated tbh because his shot was ugly

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he doesn't fuk around
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and he tickles
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and he fakes timeouts

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This thread is not about Andre Miller

Andre Miller fan club crew

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 12:16 AM
LMAO at all the 50+ point games Kobe had where he shot <50%. Dude has to be the most inefficient elite scorer we've ever seen.

DKPhenomenom
03-23-2014, 12:33 AM
LMAO at all the 50+ point games Kobe had where he shot <50%. Dude has to be the most inefficient elite scorer we've ever seen.

19 of his 25 fifty point games are >50%

Take another L you retarded troll.

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 12:41 AM
19 of his 25 fifty point games are >50%

Take another L you retarded troll.
Well, no sh*t.

The point is that he scored 50+ despite having mediocre days shooting. Aka he is a chucker.

If you're scoring 50+ it should be on 70%+ shooting. Otherwise you're probably being inefficient aka being Kobe.

momason
03-23-2014, 12:42 AM
LMAO at all the 50+ point games Kobe had where he shot <50%. Dude has to be the most inefficient elite scorer we've ever seen.

efficiency, lebron stans clutch. where 15-32 means you're a scrub but 16-32 you're a gawd. LeBron would be a lot more inefficient if he actually took superstar shots instead of playing hot potato with the ball when the shot clock is winding down forcing Bosh or Battier to shoot 3's.

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 12:46 AM
efficiency, lebron stans clutch. where 15-32 means you're a scrub but 16-32 you're a gawd. LeBron would be a lot more inefficient if he actually took superstar shots instead of playing hot potato with the ball when the shot clock is winding down forcing Bosh or Battier to shoot 3's.

Any fukking imbecile who has played the game of basketball knows how bad a chucker is for a team and how great having a player like LeBron is. Efficiency goes a long, long way for team morale and obviously for actually winning games.

momason
03-23-2014, 12:47 AM
Well, no sh*t.

The point is that he scored 50+ despite having mediocre days shooting. Aka he is a chucker.

If you're scoring 50+ it should be on 70%+ shooting. Otherwise you're probably being inefficient aka being Kobe.

that's weird because Kobe has 2 games where he shot 70%+ and scored 50+ pts and LeBron has 0.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_eds=Y&round_is_edf=Y&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wds=Y&round_is_wdf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=50&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=70&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

You're done.

and if efficiency is so great for winning games why does Kobe have 5 rings compared to LeBron's 2?

sdballer5588
03-23-2014, 12:51 AM
that's weird because Kobe has 2 games where he shot 70%+ and scored 50+ pts and LeBron has 0.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_eds=Y&round_is_edf=Y&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wds=Y&round_is_wdf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=50&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=70&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

You're done.

and if efficiency is so great for winning games why does Kobe have 5 rings compared to LeBron's 2?

Because he played with Shaq.

DKPhenomenom
03-23-2014, 12:52 AM
Well, no sh*t.

The point is that he scored 50+ despite having mediocre days shooting. Aka he is a chucker.

If you're scoring 50+ it should be on 70%+ shooting. Otherwise you're probably being inefficient aka being Kobe.

Your quote was "LMAO at all the 50+ point games Kobe had where he shot <50%."

So now 70+% is the mar of efficiency? Gotcha. And how many times has your boy Lebron scored 50 on 70%+?

momason
03-23-2014, 12:54 AM
Because he played with Shaq.

but why didn't the efficiency help LeBron against Dirk (who btw shot .416% in the '11 finals) ????

shouldn't the efficient LeBron have beaten that chucker Dirk?

4567081110
03-23-2014, 12:55 AM
Because he played with Shaq.

Who was the definition of efficiency. what was it, 8 straight seasons leading the league in FG%?

Just curious, where did the misconception of lebron passing off the ball with 1 second left come from? On most possessions where there's no time left they usually draw up a play for him.


but why didn't the efficiency help LeBron against Dirk (who btw shot .416% in the '11 finals) ????

shouldn't the efficient LeBron have beaten that chucker Dirk?

Because lebron wasn't efficient and put on the chokefest of a lifetime.

edit:


kobe is a good scorer, who would've guessed?


the only thing about that that really amazes me is that most of those 50 point games came in such a short time period. That 05-07 period, cot dayum.


Also, inb4 Lebron hate, it's bound to happen.

in after wizard status. go figure it'd be an imbecile like momason to do it.

sdballer5588
03-23-2014, 12:57 AM
but why didn't the efficiency help LeBron against Dirk (who btw shot .416% in the '11 finals) ????

shouldn't the efficient LeBron have beaten that chucker Dirk?

Why does your argument about Kobe vs LeBron involve Dirk Nowitzki?

Is it because your responses are limited, and I must ask the right questions Dr. Lanning?

momason
03-23-2014, 12:58 AM
Because lebron wasn't efficient and put on the chokefest of a lifetime.

LeBron and Wade had a much higher shooting percentage than Dirk. Why oh why didn't the efficiency help them win!?

momason
03-23-2014, 12:59 AM
Why does your argument about Kobe vs LeBron involve Dirk Nowitzki?

Is it because your responses are limited, and I must ask the right questions Dr. Lanning?

my argument isn't about Kobe, I couldn't careless about him. my argument is about efficiency.

4567081110
03-23-2014, 01:02 AM
LeBron and Wade had a much higher shooting percentage than Dirk. Why oh why didn't the efficiency help them win!?

Because a basketball team isn't composed of one player and the Mavericks outperformed the Heat. I thought this was common knowledge.

It's pretty sad to see you take these L's on a regular basis.


I'm not even a Lebron nuthugger and the things that come out of your mouth dumbfound me.

momason
03-23-2014, 01:05 AM
Because a basketball team isn't composed of one player and the Mavericks outperformed the Heat. I thought this was common knowledge.

It's pretty sad to see you take these L's on a regular basis.


I'm not even a Lebron nuthugger and the things that come out of your mouth dumbfound me.

lol, can you just admit LeBron lost to a chucker in the finals? because according to you efficiency whores that is what Dirk Nowitzki was.

sdballer5588
03-23-2014, 01:06 AM
my argument isn't about Kobe, I couldn't careless about him. my argument is about efficiency.

Your argument wasn't about Kobe, then why does it matter that Kobe has 5 rings? Why would you bother saying that?

It's because you had nothing else to say of worth.

momason
03-23-2014, 01:09 AM
Your argument wasn't about Kobe, then why does it matter that Kobe has 5 rings? Why would you bother saying that?

It's because you had nothing else to say of worth.

because if a chucker can win 5 rings then efficiency obviously is overrated, just ask LeBron how it went in '11

sdballer5588
03-23-2014, 01:13 AM
because if a chucker can win 5 rings then efficiency obviously is overrated, just ask LeBron how it went in '11

That was the original flaw in your argument though.

KOBE did not win those rings. Shaq did.

Unless you now think Derek Fisher was the proud champion 5 times as well, because he meant close to as much as kobe did. Certainly meant closer to what Kobe did than to what Shaq did.

Either way your point got blown to absolute **** and now you're trying to argue semantics about the guy you "weren't even talking about" (even though YOU mentioned him for no reason)



0/10 troll effort bro. 0/10.

momason
03-23-2014, 01:19 AM
That was the original flaw in your argument though.

KOBE did not win those rings. Shaq did.

Unless you now think Derek Fisher was the proud champion 5 times as well, because he meant close to as much as kobe did. Certainly meant closer to what Kobe did than to what Shaq did.

Either way your point got blown to absolute **** and now you're trying to argue semantics about the guy you "weren't even talking about" (even though YOU mentioned him for no reason)



0/10 troll effort bro. 0/10.

nowhere in this thread is my point blown to absolute ****.

the only person trying to argue semantics is you by saying shaq won those rings. basketball isn't a 1v5 sport you knucklehead, Kobe averaged nearly 30pts a game in the 00' playoffs and you're sitting here acting like he averaged 18 while shaq carried him.

you lebran stans are like the republicans of basketball, you repeat your silly ignorant trolling so loudly and often that you've actually grown to believe it.

nikonD70s
03-23-2014, 01:23 AM
kobe was a scoring machine in his prime and nikka was aesthetic as fak scoring all over the floor. and lol at calling him a chucker. shoot more miss more. im sure if he cherry pick his shots like lebron he could've had more efficient games. but his confidence was thru the roof and believed he can score anywhere anytime even if there was 5 defenders on him. and not to mention kobe takes the most difficult shots the nba has ever seen.

average games for lebron james is 50% from the field. but his shot charts are like 6-8 on layups/dunks while 2-8 from the perimeter.

but of course..lebron can score 50 if he wanted to.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 01:38 AM
is dirk really being called an inefficient chucker itt? holy toledo.

BerimBROlo
03-23-2014, 04:19 AM
Imagine if Rashard, LeBron, and Dwyane all scored 50+ points in at least one game in their whole playoff run. HNGGGGGG

EpicenterRex
03-23-2014, 08:45 AM
That was the original flaw in your argument though.

KOBE did not win those rings. Shaq did.




Considering Shaq didn't win a single ring until he joined Kobe (let's not act like he didn't have a rather decent team and strong #2 before LA)

Also, Kobe has more rings without Shaq than Shaq has without Kobe.

Also, Shaq joined Lelayup and couldn't win a ring with him.



Kobe confirmed as the goat.

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 08:59 AM
that's weird because Kobe has 2 games where he shot 70%+ and scored 50+ pts and LeBron has 0.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_eds=Y&round_is_edf=Y&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wds=Y&round_is_wdf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=50&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=70&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

You're done.

and if efficiency is so great for winning games why does Kobe have 5 rings compared to LeBron's 2?

Um, LeBron doesn't shoot as much as Kobe. So, no **** he's not gonna have as many 50+ point games as him, thus not having as many 70% FG 50 point games as him.

Fukking lol at how Kobe shoots way more than LeBron, has all these great point games and LeBron still has a higher PPG average than him.

KoMe gonna KoMe

Rebounds45
03-23-2014, 09:01 AM
Um, LeBron doesn't shoot as much as Kobe. So, no **** he's not gonna have as many 50+ point games as him, thus not having as many 70% FG 50 point games as him.

Fukking lol at how Kobe shoots way more than LeBron, has all these great point games and LeBron still has a higher PPG average than him.

KoMe gonna KoMe

why are you trying to downplay Kobe's 50 point games so much? You act like it's easy for just any player to get 50.

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 09:03 AM
why are you trying to downplay Kobe's 50 point games so much? You act like it's easy for just any player to get 50.

It is when you shoot 40 times.

DKPhenomenom
03-23-2014, 09:09 AM
It is when you shoot 40 times.

Kobe's career FGA 19.6, Lebron's 19.9

Lebron confirmed as the chucker.

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 09:12 AM
Kobe's career FGA 19.6, Lebron's 19.9

Lebron confirmed as the chucker.

lol Kobe did that while having better players around them. LeBron did that with Eric Snow as his right hand man lmao.

Not to mention that LeBron's shots are much smarter shots and Kobe's shots are fade away 20 footers with 2 guys in his face.

DKPhenomenom
03-23-2014, 09:20 AM
lol Kobe did that while having better players around them. LeBron did that with Eric Snow as his right hand man lmao.

Not to mention that LeBron's shots are much smarter shots and Kobe's shots are fade away 20 footers with 2 guys in his face.

Lol you seem upset that Lebron is a chucker yet has 15 less 50 point games and 70 less 40 point games than Godbe does.

ScudBro
03-23-2014, 09:24 AM
kobe is a good scorer, who would've guessed?


the only thing about that that really amazes me is that most of those 50 point games came in such a short time period. That 05-07 period, cot dayum.

copied from other thread


In 2003, in the absence of Shaq due to injury, Bryant went balls-to-the-wall in February. The month consisted of 14 games. During those 14 games, Bryant tied MJ for longest 40+ point game streak by a player not named Wilt, with 9 straight games of 40+, including a 51 point game vs Denver in less than 3 quarters of play. That month, he averaged 40.4 points per game @ 48%.

In 2006, Bryant averaged an absurd 35.4 ppg. He dropped 50+ a total of 7 times. Including his famous 81, as well as 62 in 33 minutes while single-handedly outscoring a formidable Dallas Mavericks team (Finalists) over the course of 3 quarters. He had a 5 game streak of 40+, and another 4 game streak of 40+. He became the first player since Wilt Chamberlain in 1964 to post 4 straight games of 45+. Most impressively, in 13 games during January, he scored 43.4 points per game on 47%. But not to be outdone, in the final month of the season, he averaged 41.6ppg on 51%.

In 2007, he started out much slower, averaging "just" 28.8ppg. With the Lakers looking weary, he came off the leash post All Star game to average 36.7ppg. He had yet another stratospheric month that season: In 13 games during March he averaged 40.4 points per game. After putting his name in conversation with Wilt the season before with 4 straight 45+, he went one better: 4 straight 50+ (65, 50, 60, 50). The 225 points he posted in the 4 game span topped Jordan's best of 198, and left him only in conversation with Wilt. The kicker? He dropped 43 in the following game. After a down game with 23 next, he bounced back with 53. He had an incredible 10 games that season of 50 points or more (one coming in 3 quarters), which is more than any active player has in his entire career and only one less than Mr Shot Jack extraordinaire Allen Iverson had in his.

Jordan, while in totality a much greater scorer, never achieved some of the things Kobe did. Notably, even while topping out at 37.1ppg, he never registered a 40ppg month. Kobe achieved it 4 times, with the only other player able to say similar things being Wilt Chamberlain.

ArthurAardvark
03-23-2014, 09:24 AM
brandon jennings, what could have been. legit thought we finally got super lucky with one of our picks. tbh i think that 55 point game was the worst thing that happened for his career.


i crie erytime

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 09:33 AM
Lol you seem upset that Lebron is a chucker yet has 15 less 50 point games and 70 less 40 point games than Godbe does.

Naw, I don't care about points. Caring about points is for ignorant fans. I care about efficiency and what a player does to help his team. Both of things which LeBron is great at and Kobe isn't.

DKPhenomenom
03-23-2014, 09:36 AM
Naw, I don't care about points. Caring about points is for ignorant fans. I care about efficiency and what a player does to help his team. Both of things which LeBron is great at and Kobe isn't.

Must be why Kobe has 5 rings and Lebeta only has 2.

RIP Gerald151, in b4 you create account #567.

Spill512
03-23-2014, 09:38 AM
Naw, I don't care about points. Caring about points is for ignorant fans. I care about efficiency and what a player does to help his team. Both of things which LeBron is great at and Kobe isn't.

Tyson Chandler - 68% fg in 2012.

1. Chandler
2. Jordan
3. Magic

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 09:40 AM
Must be why Kobe has 5 rings and Lebeta only has 2.

RIP Gerald151, in b4 you create account #567.

LeBron has 2 rings where he was the best player on the team. Kobe has 1 of those.

Not LeBrons fault he went to the worst franchise and Kobe got to go to the best.

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 09:41 AM
Tyson Chandler - 68% fg in 2012.

1. Chandler
2. Jordan
3. Magic

But who was context?

DKPhenomenom
03-23-2014, 09:45 AM
LeBron has 2 rings where he was the best player on the team. Kobe has 1 of those.

Not LeBrons fault he went to the worst franchise and Kobe got to go to the best.

Lol keep telling yourself that little guy, the history books tell a different story.

Remind me which one of them couldn't have a team built around them so tucked their tail between their legs, took a paycut and joined 2 franchise players (one a former FMVP)?

Gerald151
03-23-2014, 09:48 AM
Lol keep telling yourself that little guy, the history books tell a different story.

Remind me which one of them couldn't have a team built around them so tucked their tail between their legs, took a paycut and joined 2 franchise players (one a former FMVP)?

Couldn't have a team built around them? wtf does that even mean? That's a knock on the Cleveland Cavaliers, right?

Tell me who went crying and begging for a trade because they went 1 season without elite talent around them.

DKPhenomenom
03-23-2014, 09:55 AM
Couldn't have a team built around them? wtf does that even mean? That's a knock on the Cleveland Cavaliers, right?

Tell me who went crying and begging for a trade because they went 1 season without a slew of elite talent around them.

Look at the amount of roster moves the Cavs made why Lebeta was there, they surrounded him with the perfect mix of rebounding, defense and outside shooting. Bottom line is Lebron was more interested in ball hogging and stat padding than making his teammates better and winning. He had his chances to win but choked them all away.

There's a reason he took a paycut to join 2 established stars instead of going to a Franchise where he was the centrepiece and had a team built around him.

He accepted the fact that he's not a max level Franchise talent like MJ or Kobe, why can't his fans?

Rebounds45
03-23-2014, 09:55 AM
Why are you even arguing with that guy?

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 10:07 AM
LeBron has 2 rings where he was the best player on the team. Kobe has 1 of those.

Not LeBrons fault he went to the worst franchise and Kobe got to go to the best.

Kobe's stats as #2 to Shaq are comparable to Lebron's as a number 1 just saying

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 10:13 AM
Because he played with Shaq.

So why is Kobe the only superstar who gets knocked on for having teammates?

Jordan Pippen
Shaq Kobe
Lebron Wade Bosh

Lebron has Wade and Bosh, so his rings dont count?

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:20 AM
So why is Kobe the only superstar who gets knocked on for having teammates?

Jordan Pippen
Shaq Kobe
Lebron Wade Bosh

Lebron has Wade and Bosh, so his rings dont count?

uhh because kobe wasn't the best player on his team but those other player's were? when do I get my prize?

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 10:46 AM
kobe was a scoring machine in his prime and nikka was aesthetic as fak scoring all over the floor. and lol at calling him a chucker. shoot more miss more. im sure if he cherry pick his shots like lebron he could've had more efficient games. but his confidence was thru the roof and believed he can score anywhere anytime even if there was 5 defenders on him. and not to mention kobe takes the most difficult shots the nba has ever seen.

average games for lebron james is 50% from the field. but his shot charts are like 6-8 on layups/dunks while 2-8 from the perimeter.

but of course..lebron can score 50 if he wanted to.

I couldn't have said it any better.

If kobe cherry picked his shots like lebron, such as not shooting when there is a hand in the face and passing it off, he would have insane efficiency from 3 point and midrange.

that's why last season he was so efficient. He had players spacing the floor around him and he had a tendency to pass more. in the beginning of the season he would have a lot of hockey assists, and towards the latter part of the season he took full control dishing out dimes, and he still didn't even cherry pick as much as lebron, dude was still shooting at a pretty good volume

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 10:55 AM
uhh because kobe wasn't the best player on his team but those other player's were? when do I get my prize?

this seems to be the biggest issue regarding kobe.

you act like there was such a huge marginal difference between the importance of Kobe and Shaq in those championships. Not even factoring in the significance of Kobe's age during those times.

VelvetKush
03-23-2014, 10:59 AM
I don't post much, but when I do, it's usually to criticize the high amount of low IQ posts in a thread. Props to those with a brain.

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 11:00 AM
this seems to be the biggest issue regarding kobe.

you act like there was such a huge marginal difference between the importance of Kobe and Shaq in those championships. Not even factoring in the significance of Kobe's age during those times.

2000 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 22.8 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 4.4 APG, .464 FG%
Shaq - 28.2 PPG, 15.0 RPG, 3.4 APG, .546 FG%

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

2002 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 26.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.4 APG, .418 FG%
Shaq - 26.4 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 2.6 APG, .510 FG%

Phil himself said they needed Kobe to be the playmaker in the first three rounds, while Shaq dominated weaker east centers

but lets just ignore all that cuz Kobe had Shaq

Lebron literally called up two ASG starters and asked them to be on his team....

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 11:06 AM
2000 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 22.8 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 4.4 APG, .464 FG%
Shaq - 28.2 PPG, 15.0 RPG, 3.4 APG, .546 FG%

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

2002 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 26.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.4 APG, .418 FG%
Shaq - 26.4 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 2.6 APG, .510 FG%

Phil himself said they needed Kobe to be the playmaker in the first three rounds, while Shaq dominated weaker east centers

but lets just ignore all that cuz Kobe had Shaq

Lebron literally called up two ASG starters and asked them to be on his team....

I can't see Shaq doing anything without Kobe in those series.

Maybe dominating the weak side court until he gets double and triple teamed but thats about it.

Kobe opened up so much for shaq.

all those vintage ally oops from kobe to shaq that we see from time to time, that chit was so common in their play style.

people act like kobe couldve been replaced by any other guard, which is completely false

digitalchi
03-23-2014, 11:07 AM
pretty sure those days are over for kobe

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:11 AM
this seems to be the biggest issue regarding kobe.

you act like there was such a huge marginal difference between the importance of Kobe and Shaq in those championships. Not even factoring in the significance of Kobe's age during those times.

have you looked at their finals stats? There is a HYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOGE difference. the reason kobe gets hate is because for 3 of those championships he wasn't the best player on his team while those other players were. It is pretty simple.

kobe the man for 2 ships
lebron the man for 2 ships
MJ the man for 6 ships


2000 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 22.8 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 4.4 APG, .464 FG%
Shaq - 28.2 PPG, 15.0 RPG, 3.4 APG, .546 FG%

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

2002 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 26.6 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 4.4 APG, .418 FG%
Shaq - 26.4 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 2.6 APG, .510 FG%

Phil himself said they needed Kobe to be the playmaker in the first three rounds, while Shaq dominated weaker east centers

but lets just ignore all that cuz Kobe had Shaq

Lebron literally called up two ASG starters and asked them to be on his team....

lol @ ignoring the grand canyon divide in their finals stats. yes kobe was important to their success. no one is saying he wasn't. so was pippen but he doesn't get the credit that you want kobe to have. it is also funny that shaq outperformed kobe in 2/3 of those years. and the 3rd one it was pretty much a wash. you forget to include the time kobe tried to be the first option took 100+ more shots in the finals still averaged 6+ less PPG (lol). that series proves beyond a shadow of a doubt who the best player was. You also forget how much easier a player like shaq made it for kobe. he was constantly being doubled and opening up easy opportunities for kobe. his stats don't exist in a vacuum. why can't you kobe fans just accept that you got a bit too excited about kobe at his peak and subsequently over rated him?

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 11:15 AM
have you looked at their finals stats? There is a HYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOGE difference. the reason kobe gets hate is because for 3 of those championships he wasn't the best player on his team while those other players were. It is pretty simple.



lol @ ignoring the grand canyon divide in their finals stats. yes kobe was important to their success. no one is saying he wasn't. so was pippen but he doesn't get the credit that you want kobe to have. it is also funny that shaq outperformed kobe in 2/3 of those years. and the 3rd one it was pretty much a wash. you forget to include the time kobe tried to be the first option took 100+ more shots in the finals still averaged 6+ less PPG (lol). that series proves beyond a shadow of a doubt who the best player was. You also forget how much easier a player like shaq made it for kobe. he was constantly being doubled and opening up easy opportunities for kobe. his stats don't exist in a vacuum. why can't you kobe fans just accept that you got a bit too excited about kobe at his peak and subsequently over rated him?


there was not 1 single active NBA player you could replace Kobe with and expect the Lakers to make it to the Finals ANY of those 3 years. that is my point. as for the finals games, you act like some of those finals matches were between the best and 2nd best teams. what about the western conference finals games? like i said, Kobe was irreplaceable, comparing pippen to Kobe is downplaying Kobe's role slighty (slightly)

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:21 AM
there was not 1 single active NBA player you could replace Kobe with and expect the Lakers to make it to the Finals ANY of those 3 years. that is my point. as for the finals games, you act like some of those finals matches were between the best and 2nd best teams. what about the western conference finals games? like i said, Kobe was irreplaceable, comparing pippen to Kobe is downplaying Kobe's role slighty (slightly)

lol no it is no. pippen was a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better 2nd option than kobe. kobe selfishly didn't know his place and tried to assert himself as the man and subsequently cost his team a finals loss and several other championships by shipping the golden goose out of town. pippen knew his place and performed his role flawlessly.

just off of the top of my head you could replace kobe with tmac and there is literally 0 drop off (so there goes that assertion). I love how the foundation of your point is not based in reality. typical.

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 11:21 AM
have you looked at their finals stats? There is a HYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOOGE difference. the reason kobe gets hate is because for 3 of those championships he wasn't the best player on his team while those other players were. It is pretty simple.



lol @ ignoring the grand canyon divide in their finals stats. yes kobe was important to their success. no one is saying he wasn't. so was pippen but he doesn't get the credit that you want kobe to have. it is also funny that shaq outperformed kobe in 2/3 of those years. and the 3rd one it was pretty much a wash. you forget to include the time kobe tried to be the first option took 100+ more shots in the finals still averaged 6+ less PPG (lol). that series proves beyond a shadow of a doubt who the best player was. You also forget how much easier a player like shaq made it for kobe. he was constantly being doubled and opening up easy opportunities for kobe. his stats don't exist in a vacuum. why can't you kobe fans just accept that you got a bit too excited about kobe at his peak and subsequently over rated him?


The ball ran through Kobe in the first three series, then the ball went through Shaq in the finals, not my words, Phil Jackson's. Never said Kobe was better than Shaq in those years. You're over there saying Kobe had Shaq, and ignoring that Shaq had Kobe

Clogging up the lane opens up room for Kobe and other shooters, but at the same time Kobe was on the perimeter drawing the defense towards him, opening up more room for Shaq, it goes both ways

Unless you think Shaq just walked up the court with the ball, went coast to coast, and scored every time with no help...

Shaq's numbers had a huge part to do with Kobe's presence on the court

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 11:24 AM
lol no it is no. pippen was a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better 2nd option than kobe. kobe selfishly didn't know his place and tried to assert himself as the man and subsequently cost his team a finals loss and several other championships by shipping the golden goose out of town. pippen knew his place and performed his role flawlessly.

just off of the top of my head you could replace kobe with tmac and there is literally 0 drop off (so there goes that assertion). I love how the foundation of your point is not based in reality. typical.

Lol so Pippen/T-Mac>Kobe now? Wow

That's just unreasonable man

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:25 AM
The ball ran through Kobe in the first three series, then the ball went through Shaq in the finals, not my words, Phil Jackson's. Never said Kobe was better than Shaq in those years. You're over there saying Kobe had Shaq, and ignoring that Shaq had Kobe

Clogging up the lane opens up room for Kobe and other shooters, but at the same time Kobe was on the perimeter drawing the defense towards him, opening up more room for Shaq, it goes both ways

Unless you think Shaq just walked up the court with the ball, went coast to coast, and scored every time with no help...

Shaq's numbers had a huge part to do with Kobe's presence on the court

holy marlene! did i say kobe wasn't important? did i say shaq did it by himself? please answer who was the best player on those teams please. your answer will determine if i continue to address you. I guarantee you deflect/avoid this question

wildchild11
03-23-2014, 11:26 AM
lol @ kobe stans arguing by throwing tanturms. kobe was the man on those teams with shaq because i say so1!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 11:27 AM
holy marlene! did i say kobe wasn't important? did i say shaq did it by himself? please answer who was the best player on those teams please. your answer will determine if i continue to address you. I guarantee you deflect/avoid this question

Shaq was the best player, but the argument that he was carried is ridiculous

Shaq and Kobe 1a 1b
Jordan 1 Pippen 2
Lebron 1 Wade 2 Bosh 3

FGCHENG
03-23-2014, 11:28 AM
Lol @ Kobe's list. It's not even fair to compare.


Tyson Chandler - 68% fg in 2012.

1. Chandler
2. Jordan
3. Magic

Tyson Chandler exposed as >>>>>>>> Lebron and Kobe because dat dere efficiency guise!

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:28 AM
Lol so Pippen/T-Mac>Kobe now? Wow

That's just unreasonable man

uhhhhhhhhhhhh, as a 2nd option pippen was far better than kobe (that doesn't mean they are a better player, please note the difference). his skill set and mentality complemented jordan far more than kobe's did to shaq. please deny this. pippen was a more irreplaceable 2nd option to jordan than kobe was to shaq.

as a 2nd option pippen has 6 ships
as a 2nd option kobe has 3 ships

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 11:34 AM
uhhhhhhhhhhhh, as a 2nd option pippen was far better than kobe (that doesn't mean they are a better player, please note the difference). his skill set and mentality complemented jordan far more than kobe's did to shaq. please deny this. pippen was a more irreplaceable 2nd option to jordan than kobe was to shaq.

as a 2nd option pippen has 6 ships
as a 2nd option kobe has 3 ships


I mean sure....

If I put Kobe with Jordan he gets 6 rings too?

If I put Scottie in Kobe's place I don't think they win 3 rings

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:36 AM
Shaq was the best player, but the argument that he was carried is ridiculous

Shaq and Kobe 1a 1b
Jordan 1 Pippen 2
Lebron 1 Wade 2 Bosh 3

no, shaq 1 kobe 2

pippen was incredibly important. no one makes the case that he was the best player on those teams because he wasn't. neither was kobe. despite playing a very important role for the team. none of those 3 player legitimately 'carried' their team mates. they all played their roles effectively. the only players to truly carry their teams typically don't win championships.

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 11:38 AM
no, shaq 1 kobe 2

pippen was incredibly important. no one makes the case that he was the best player on those teams because he wasn't. neither was kobe. despite playing a very important role for the team. none of those 3 player legitimately 'carried' their team mates. they all played their roles effectively. the only players to truly carry their teams typically don't win championships.

K, so Kobe shouldn't be discredited for his 3 rings with Shaq. Point made

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 11:39 AM
lol no it is no. pippen was a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better 2nd option than kobe. kobe selfishly didn't know his place and tried to assert himself as the man and subsequently cost his team a finals loss and several other championships by shipping the golden goose out of town. pippen knew his place and performed his role flawlessly.

just off of the top of my head you could replace kobe with tmac and there is literally 0 drop off (so there goes that assertion). I love how the foundation of your point is not based in reality. typical.

lol no i just don't buy this at all, this is the same argument that every Jordan fan that for some unreasonable reason feels threatened by Kobe says all the time. Like I said, Kobe played unparalleled against the best teams in the whole post season like in the western conference finals. Replace Kobe with Pippen and shaq would not have 3 rings.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:40 AM
I mean sure....

If I put Kobe with Jordan he gets 6 rings too?

If I put Scottie in Kobe's place I don't think they win 3 rings

here we are firmly entrenched in fantasy. lol at you thinking replacing a player who complements jordan's skill set with 1 who has the exact same skill set but is much worse at it would be beneficial to the team. a player who fit flawlessly into phil's triangle replaced with a notorious ball stopper who played outside phil's triangle more than any player he ever coached (not my words but phil's). replace pippen with kobe and you may not even have 1 ship. and that team would have never worked as efficiently as is it did with kobe's huge ego

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:41 AM
K, so Kobe shouldn't be discredited for his 3 rings with Shaq. Point made

he gets full credit for having 5 ships. but not as much credit when compared to players who won more as the best player on their teams. and here we are right back at the start again. talking circles around you.

SighGR
03-23-2014, 11:42 AM
2000 was the only year you could say Kobe was carried.

wildchild11
03-23-2014, 11:43 AM
It may have taken a full decade, but Kobe Bryant finally admitted he was Shaquille O’Neal’s sidekick during the Los Angeles Lakers’ three-peat from 2000-2003 (see video above).

The Shaq and Kobe combo led the Lakers to four NBA Finals appearances over a five-year span, but the superstar duo only managed to win three championships before the Lakers traded their center and decided to keep their shooting guard.

When O’Neal departed, Bryant was widely blamed for driving the “Most Dominant Ever” out of town. The two superstars were unable to see eye-to-eye, and Shaq’s departure was viewed as a way to keep Kobe in purple and gold for the long-term.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html

lol if you think that Kobe played a role that the single greatest teammae of all time, Scottie Pippen, couldn't play. Because when Jordan left the Chi, PIPPEN TOOK EM DEEP IN THE PLAYOFFS IN HIS ABSENCE. Kobe spent the entire mid aughts whining that he had no help and getting bounced in round 1.

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 11:46 AM
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html

lol if you think that Kobe played a role that the single greatest teammae of all time, Scottie Pippen, couldn't play. Because when Jordan left the Chi, PIPPEN TOOK EM DEEP IN THE PLAYOFFS IN HIS ABSENCE. Kobe spent the entire mid aughts whining that he had no help and getting bounced in round 1.


ya and the difference was Kobe took a D league team into the playoffs and almost beat arguably the 2nd best team in the NBA that year.

lets just ignore all the details, chit man this is like taking physics 1 all over again, do the problem but ignore gravity, drag, friction, but oh yeah, we here tryna understand PHYSICS

wildchild11
03-23-2014, 11:48 AM
cmon chipotle bro, wating on you to respond.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:49 AM
lol no i just don't buy this at all, this is the same argument that every Jordan fan that for some unreasonable reason feels threatened by Kobe says all the time. Like I said, Kobe played unparalleled against the best teams in the whole post season like in the western conference finals. Replace Kobe with Pippen and shaq would not have 3 rings.

lol. yes he would. now where does that leave us? you see how stupid these fantasy scenarios are? this must give you a hint at how weak your argument is. the FACT is kobe was the best player on a championship team 2x. the FACT is that kobe only won 2 scoring titles despite being known for his scoring. the FACT is that kobe cost his team 1 ship by his selfish play and several others by not being able to handle 2nd banana status. the FACT is that kobe is one of the worst finals MVP's of all time. the FACT is that kobe only has 1 MVP. the FACT is that his stats, intangibles, and pedigree don't match up with upper echelon of all time greats that kobe fans love to put him in the company of.

He is a great player. just not the GOAT in any category. he is not the GOAT at his position. He is not the GOAT 2nd option. he is not the GOAT scorer. He is not the GOAT clutch player. he is not the GOAT leader.

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 11:51 AM
here we are firmly entrenched in fantasy. lol at you thinking replacing a player who complements jordan's skill set with 1 who has the exact same skill set but is much worse at it would be beneficial to the team. a player who fit flawlessly into phil's triangle replaced with a notorious ball stopper who played outside phil's triangle more than any player he ever coached (not my words but phil's). replace pippen with kobe and you may not even have 1 ship. and that team would have never worked as efficiently as is it did with kobe's huge ego

fantasy is the situation that you created...., I'm just playing along with you

Kareem only has 2 finals MVPs with six rings, yet you can put him top 5 all time.

Why do they discredit Kobe's rings, when other superstars all had great teammates.

Vitamin0
03-23-2014, 11:51 AM
mind blown that jermain oneal and dwill had a 50pt game


edit: wow unaware on how beast he was when he was on the pacers

u wot m8?

Jermaine O'Neal is like a 1/100th of the player he used to be.

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 11:52 AM
lol. yes he would. now where does that leave us? you see how stupid these fantasy scenarios are? this must give you a hint at how weak your argument is. the FACT is kobe was the best player on a championship team 2x. the FACT is that kobe only won 2 scoring titles despite being known for his scoring. the FACT is that kobe cost his team 1 ship by his selfish play and several others by not being able to handle 2nd banana status. the FACT is that kobe is one of the worst finals MVP's of all time. the FACT is that kobe only has 1 MVP. the FACT is that his stats, intangibles, and pedigree don't match up with upper echelon of all time greats that kobe fans love to put him in the company of.

He is a great player. just not the GOAT in any category. he is not the GOAT at his position. He is not the GOAT 2nd option. he is not the GOAT scorer. He is not the GOAT clutch player. he is not the GOAT leader.

Okay, point made about the fantasy arguments. However, you are quick to label certain things as facts that are very arguable and make you come off as being bias. That's all

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:52 AM
ya and the difference was Kobe took a D league team into the playoffs and almost beat arguably the 2nd best team in the NBA that year.

lets just ignore all the details, chit man this is like taking physics 1 all over again, do the problem but ignore gravity, drag, friction, but oh yeah, we here tryna understand PHYSICS

yeah the details

HGoxIvuPtmo

wildchild11
03-23-2014, 11:54 AM
ya and the difference was Kobe took a D league team into the playoffs and almost beat arguably the 2nd best team in the NBA that year.

lets just ignore all the details, chit man this is like taking physics 1 all over again, do the problem but ignore gravity, drag, friction, but oh yeah, we here tryna understand PHYSICS

i cant debate you seriously, its clear with every post that you're a fanboy who has no idea how to look past his own bias. you're 22, you never got to see pippen.

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 11:56 AM
lol if you think that Kobe played a role that the single greatest teammae of all time, Scottie Pippen, couldn't play. Because when Jordan left the Chi, PIPPEN TOOK EM DEEP IN THE PLAYOFFS IN HIS ABSENCE. Kobe spent the entire mid aughts whining that he had no help and getting bounced in round 1.

So losing in round 2 with a team that came off of 3 chips in a row, playoff/championship experience is all of a sudden so much more impressive than taking a D-league team to 7 games against the SSOL Suns? K.

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 11:56 AM
yeah the details

HGoxIvuPtmo

yes and that magically erases the feat that he created for his team to be able to even face

khanvictt
03-23-2014, 11:58 AM
lol no it is no. pippen was a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better 2nd option than kobe. kobe selfishly didn't know his place and tried to assert himself as the man and subsequently cost his team a finals loss and several other championships by shipping the golden goose out of town. pippen knew his place and performed his role flawlessly.

just off of the top of my head you could replace kobe with tmac and there is literally 0 drop off (so there goes that assertion). I love how the foundation of your point is not based in reality. typical.

shaq FOULED OUT in a finals game and guess who stepped up? no way pippen could do this. get out of here with your bias u stupid phaggot.

btw he was only 21 years old in this. huge game. we all saw how lebron performed under pressure in 2011

C7Lp5aQq4zI

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:58 AM
fantasy is the situation that you created...., I'm just playing along with you

Kareem only has 2 finals MVPs with six rings, yet you can put him top 5 all time.

Why do they discredit Kobe's rings, when other superstars all had great teammates.

I mean sure....

If I put Kobe with Jordan he gets 6 rings too?

If I put Scottie in Kobe's place I don't think they win 3 rings


do kobe fans have the most convenient memory ever?

a goat entire resume is to be taken into account. kareem is one of the single most dominant big men to ever play the game. his numbers blow kobe's out of the water for both peak and longevity. not sure where you are going there.

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 11:58 AM
i cant debate you seriously, its clear with every post that you're a fanboy who has no idea how to look past his own bias. you're 22, you never got to see pippen.


that doesn't mean i never watched his clips. ive seen countless amounts of jordan and pippen offense and defense videos, full length game highlights on both sides of the ball.

you dont see me sit here and talk about other great players like i know something, cause i dont, because ive never taken the time to ever watch their clips, look at their stats, study the era they played in etc.

i can't really debate you seriously either, you are just another person that feels threatened by Kobe for no reason, but won't even put up an argument like BroBoma

darknessmanX
03-23-2014, 12:03 PM
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/blogs/triple-threat/Lakers-Kobe-Bryant-Shaq-sidekick-video-191065851.html

lol if you think that Kobe played a role that the single greatest teammae of all time, Scottie Pippen, couldn't play. Because when Jordan left the Chi, PIPPEN TOOK EM DEEP IN THE PLAYOFFS IN HIS ABSENCE. Kobe spent the entire mid aughts whining that he had no help and getting bounced in round 1.

this is beyond ignorant. scottie pippen never played anything like young Kobe Bryant, and he was not capable.

where exactly do you rank kobe bryant all time?


shaq FOULED OUT in a finals game and guess who stepped up? no way pippen could do this. get out of here with your bias u stupid phaggot.

[youtube]C7Lp5aQq4zI[youtube]

it's hopeless, they don't understand. they did not see Kobe on those Lakers teams and don't honestly understand how brilliant of a player he was. they're kids who weren't even watching basketball at the time, and they're looking up box scores and stats of games they didn't truly watch to make their judgments.

anyone who saw early 2000s Kobe knows how truly amazing he was, bailed Shaq out of a million 4th quarters. best player on the team countless nights. arguably the most clutch specimen in all of history too.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 12:05 PM
shaq FOULED OUT in a finals game and guess who stepped up? no way pippen could do this. get out of here with your bias u stupid phaggot.

btw he was only 21 years old in this. huge game. we all saw how lebron performed under pressure in 2011

C7Lp5aQq4zI

FqkVbO0bUFs

'facing a 15-point deficit going into the fourth quarter of Game Six of the 1992 NBA Finals versus the Portland Trail Blazers, Scottie Pippen led the Bulls’ reserves on a 14-2 run before Michael Jordan and the remaining starters rejoined him on the floor to seal the team’s second NBA Championship.'


lol. you were saying?

wildchild11
03-23-2014, 12:05 PM
So losing in round 2 with a team that came off of 3 chips in a row, playoff/championship experience is all of a sudden so much more impressive than taking a D-league team to 7 games against the SSOL Suns? K.

round 3 actually . The ECF.

Kobe? Missed the playoffs altogether once, bounced in the 1st round twice. you'd expect more from the "GOAT"

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 12:06 PM
yes and that magically erases the feat that he created for his team to be able to even face

yes it does. giving up on your team is unforgivable and is something that jordan never ever did.

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 12:08 PM
do kobe fans have the most convenient memory ever?

a goat entire resume is to be taken into account. kareem is one of the single most dominant big men to ever play the game. his numbers blow kobe's out of the water for both peak and longevity. not sure where you are going there.

I'd actually argue that Kobe's longevity at Kareem's level, and his numbers at peak are just as good, although he didn't win those years.

I'm using Kareem as an example of a player who is a number 1 option, but at times in his career had to be the second option.

We can't discredit Kobe that he had 3 rings with Shaq, when Kareem and Magic had each other

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 12:09 PM
round 3 actually . The ECF.

Kobe? Missed the playoffs altogether once, bounced in the 1st round twice. you'd expect more from the "GOAT"

They never made the ECF without Jordan

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 12:10 PM
anyone who saw early 2000s Kobe knows how truly amazing he was, bailed Shaq out of a million 4th quarters. best player on the team countless nights. arguably the most clutch specimen in all of history too.

lol. it is great that you believe this but there is literally no metric that will corroborate what you are saying. other than you own confirmation bias based analysis.

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 12:10 PM
yes it does. giving up on your team is unforgivable and is something that jordan never ever did.

http://chasing23.com/kobe-bryant-quit-game-7/

I get that "quitting" is unforgivable to people that see him quitting, however that doesn't change history of what Kobe did do.

wildchild11
03-23-2014, 12:12 PM
They never made the ECF without Jordan

sht your right, thought they did. mb

darknessmanX
03-23-2014, 12:12 PM
yes it does. giving up on your team is unforgivable and is something that jordan never ever did.

lebron did it worse than kobe ever has against the celtics in 2010.

i personally don't give a phuck about either instance. both kobe and lebron quit on their teams for legitimate reasons, and even though lebron did it way worse- i don't really care. you need to pan the camera out and look at the big picture, stop being so philosophical and get real. yes in principle it's bad to quit on your team, but Lebron was trying to get TF out of cleveland and i don't blame him. this is life, sometimes people apply devious tactics to get where they want. lebron quitting on the celtics helped get him to the heat. was it a bitch move? yes, but not even sports celebrities are beyond bitch moves. we all quit sometimes.


sht your right, thought they did. mb

aaaand you go potato again. slow down turbo, all too eager to hate.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 12:14 PM
I'd actually argue that Kobe's longevity at Kareem's level, and his numbers at peak are just as good, although he didn't win.

I'm using Kareem as an example of a player who is a number 1 option, but at times in his career had to be the second option.

We can't discredit Kobe that he had 3 rings with Shaq, when Kareem and Magic had each other

peak stats
kareem's best win share season 25
kobe's best win share season 14.9 (lol)

kareem's best PER year 30 (would have been 31+ but block weren't recorded)
kobe's best PER year 28

kareem played over 300 more regular season games yet has nearly identical scoring averages. kobe's numbers don't even sniff kareem's.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 12:16 PM
lebron did it worse than kobe ever has against the celtics in 2010.

i personally don't give a phuck about either instance. both kobe and lebron quit on their teams for legitimate reasons, and even though lebron did it way worse- i don't really care. you need to pan the camera out and look at the big picture, stop being so philosophical and get real. yes in principle it's bad to quit on your team, but Lebron was trying to get TF out of cleveland and i don't blame him. this is life, sometimes people apply devious tactics to get where they want. lebron quitting on the celtics helped get him to the heat. was it a bitch move? yes, but not even sports celebrities are beyond bitch moves. we all quit sometimes.

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haha. hilarious. please show me where lebron only took 1 shot in the 2nd half of a playoff elimination game. that is worst quitting on your team instance in the history of the NBA.

darknessmanX
03-23-2014, 12:17 PM
lol. it is great that you believe this but there is literally no metric that will corroborate what you are saying. other than you own confirmation bias based analysis.

they're called eyeballs. were you honestly watching basketball in 2001?

you need a stat to believe kobe bryant closed out 4th quarters for shaq? you're very naive. ask anyone who was watching basketball at the time and they'll tell you. i'm actually a bit taken aback at how ignorant you are right here, because you're not usually this blind- but i'm thinking you haven't watch a lot of basketball and are a casual fan with a passing interest.

kobe closing out 4th quarters for shaq is common knowledge. LoL at you saying "i don't believe that unless you show me a stat"- were you born yesterday?

ChipotleBro
03-23-2014, 12:17 PM
yes it does. giving up on your team is unforgivable and is something that jordan never ever did.

Scottie, the greatest teammate of all time, decided to sit himself out of the game, because he didn't get the last second shot.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 12:22 PM
they're called eyeballs. were you honestly watching basketball in 2001?

you need a stat to believe kobe bryant closed out 4th quarters for shaq? you're very naive. ask anyone who was watching basketball at the time and they'll tell you. i'm actually a bit taken aback at how ignorant you are right here, because you're not usually this blind- but i'm thinking you haven't watch a lot of basketball and are a casual fan with a passing interest.

kobe closing out 4th quarters for shaq is common knowledge. LoL at you saying "i don't believe that unless you show me a stat"- were you born yesterday?

lol. don't you find it odd that what you say should not be able to independently verifiable by objective measures? do you honestly believe that I could grow up in chicago during the Jordan era and NOT watch basketball prior to 2000?

there is a reason why eye witness report are considered notoriously unreliable.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 12:24 PM
Scottie, the greatest teammate of all time, decided to sit himself out of the game, because he didn't get the last second shot.

that is better than staying in the game and demanding the ball, playing outside the game plan, and losing the game/series (ala kobe v pistons).

khanvictt
03-23-2014, 12:25 PM
'facing a 15-point deficit going into the fourth quarter of Game Six of the 1992 NBA Finals versus the Portland Trail Blazers, Scottie Pippen led the Bulls’ reserves on a 14-2 run before Michael Jordan and the remaining starters rejoined him on the floor to seal the team’s second NBA Championship.'


lol. you were saying?

game 2 against the sixers. this can go on for days. you are actually comparing scottie fukkin pippen to kobe bryant? lulz. do you even watch basketball or just surf youtube and old box scores

wildchild exposed as not watching NBA games and just speaking out of his ass. bulls lost to the knicks in the 2nd round, not ECF.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 12:31 PM
game 2 against the sixers. this can go on for days. you are actually comparing scottie fukkin pippen to kobe bryant? lulz. do you even watch basketball or just surf youtube and old box scores

wildchild exposed as not watching NBA games and just speaking out of his ass. bulls lost to the knicks in the 2nd round, not ECF.

pippen is more comparable to kobe than kobe is to jordan yet you see that all the time on here. pippen performed his role as 2nd option far more competently than kobe. that does not mean he was a better player. pippen is the GOAT perimeter defender. kobe is GOAT at nothing.

and game 2 vs the sixers. you mean when shaq nearly got a QUADRUPLE double? lol. shaq DOMINATED that game to the tune of
28 pts 20 rebs 9 ast and 8 BLKS. hilarious.

Babyframes
03-23-2014, 12:32 PM
Mirin' Kobe's amount of 50 point games, yet he's STILL below LeGOAT. Brb pass first player, but STILL averages more ppg than one of the "greatest" scorers to ever play the game. Really gives you a perspective on how dominant Lebron is.

TexasMajor
03-23-2014, 02:07 PM
FqkVbO0bUFs

'facing a 15-point deficit going into the fourth quarter of Game Six of the 1992 NBA Finals versus the Portland Trail Blazers, Scottie Pippen led the Bulls’ reserves on a 14-2 run before Michael Jordan and the remaining starters rejoined him on the floor to seal the team’s second NBA Championship.'


lol. you were saying?


Did you even watch your own youtube clip you posted? LMFAO

on top of that, you posted one of the easiest Finals matchups for Michael and his Bulls.

and to add on top of that, you compared that to Shaq SITTING ON THE BENCH while the Bulls had all their starters.


FULL FCKING RETARD.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 02:24 PM
Did you even watch your own youtube clip you posted? LMFAO

on top of that, you posted one of the easiest Finals matchups for Michael and his Bulls.

and to add on top of that, you compared that to Shaq SITTING ON THE BENCH while the Bulls had all their starters.


FULL FCKING RETARD.

'facing a 15-point deficit going into the fourth quarter of Game Six of the 1992 NBA Finals versus the Portland Trail Blazers, Scottie Pippen led the Bulls’ reserves on a 14-2 run before Michael Jordan and the remaining starters rejoined him on the floor to seal the team’s second NBA Championship.'


fuking lol. get on a treadmill fatboi

dizzin9
03-23-2014, 02:28 PM
what's going on in this thr.....



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TexasMajor
03-23-2014, 02:45 PM
'facing a 15-point deficit going into the fourth quarter of Game Six of the 1992 NBA Finals versus the Portland Trail Blazers, Scottie Pippen led the Bulls’ reserves on a 14-2 run before Michael Jordan and the remaining starters rejoined him on the floor to seal the team’s second NBA Championship.'


fuking lol. get on a treadmill fatboi


Did you google "Pippen led the Bulls" and just use whatever popped up?


HOLY FCKING SHHITTTT.

Jordan closed the game out like he did that whole series.

Are you still trying to compare that game to Shaq FOULING OUT OF THE GAME AND NEVER RETURNING?


Im done.

Flakoe3
03-23-2014, 02:53 PM
Mirin' Kobe's amount of 50 point games, yet he's STILL below LeGOAT. Brb pass first player, but STILL averages more ppg than one of the "greatest" scorers to ever play the game. Really gives you a perspective on how dominant Lebron is.

I see why you're red.

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 03:22 PM
That was the original flaw in your argument though.

KOBE did not win those rings. Shaq did.

Unless you now think Derek Fisher was the proud champion 5 times as well, because he meant close to as much as kobe did. Certainly meant closer to what Kobe did than to what Shaq did.

Either way your point got blown to absolute **** and now you're trying to argue semantics about the guy you "weren't even talking about" (even though YOU mentioned him for no reason)



0/10 troll effort bro. 0/10.2001 playoffs streak.
Kobe Bryant stats for that 12-game run:

31.6 ppg
7.0 rpg
6.2 apg
1.6 spg
0.5 bpg
.492 FG%
.320 3PT%
.814 FT%
121 ORTG
98 DRTG
58 TS%

He also averaged 36/9/5/2/1 on road games.

2001 playoffs total.
Kobe: 29.4pts, 6.1ast, 7.3reb
Shaq: 30.4pts, 3.2ast. 15.4reb

01-02 playoffs
Kobe: 26.6pts, 4.9ast, 5.8reb
Shaq: 28.5pts, 2.8ast, 12.6reb

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

Lol at 2 players dropping close to 60 PPG day in and day out and comparing one of them to Derek Fisher.

Kobe led all the championship runs in assists too. Inb4 you compare a 7'1" center's rebounds to a SG.

mcboo2
03-23-2014, 04:24 PM
he gets full credit for having 5 ships. but not as much credit when compared to players who won more as the best player on their teams. and here we are right back at the start again. talking circles around you.

Players in the top ten with more fmvp's than kobe bryant:

Shaq
Magic
Jordan
Duncan

Magic had the most ridiculously stacked teams in history. Shaq was his damn teammate. Duncan has been surrounded by hall of fame players and coach his entire career. And Jordan is the goat. So tell me, who are these other "players" you are talking about? Literally EVERYONE else has the SAME OR LESS fvmp's and rings. Are you a retard?



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Daewoo_Lanos
03-23-2014, 05:38 PM
Kobe's career FGA 19.6, Lebron's 19.9

Lebron confirmed as the chucker.


in after we use Kobe's entire career to calcuate his FGA, but mention the FACT that his career scoring average sucks dick compared to Lebron and it's "no, let's only use the years he started." chit, it's still lower. "ok, let's only use the years after shaq left."

ok cool, finally, a higher PPG than Lebron, but those first 3 rings don't count either phaggots. either way you lose you retarded pieces of chit.

Ether has been spilled recklessly all over Kobestans ITT. RIP.








kobe also quit on his team in a way that no one ever has in the history of sports. the only way kobe could've quit more obviously is if he left the arena at halftime.

Daewoo_Lanos
03-23-2014, 05:50 PM
I couldn't have said it any better.

If kobe cherry picked his shots like lebron, such as not shooting when there is a hand in the face and passing it off, he would have insane efficiency from 3 point and midrange.



so in other words, if kobe didn't play like a dumbfuk, he would be better?

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.png




that's why last season he was so efficient. He had players spacing the floor around him and he had a tendency to pass more. in the beginning of the season he would have a lot of hockey assists, and towards the latter part of the season he took full control dishing out dimes, and he still didn't even cherry pick as much as lebron, dude was still shooting at a pretty good volume

oh how sad it must be when "so efficient" equals 46.3% from the field. FKN LOL

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 05:56 PM
so in other words, if kobe didn't play like a dumbfuk, he would be better?

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.png







oh how sad it must be when "so efficient" equals 46.3% from the field. FKN LOL


stick to your tennis, you're at risk of hurting yourself tryna think too much. lol everyone else understood me except you, so surprising.

Daewoo_Lanos
03-23-2014, 06:02 PM
stick to your tennis, you're at risk of hurting yourself tryna think too much. lol everyone else understood me except you, so surprising.

im smarter than everyone... so surprising.

stick to tennis aka i can't handle your ether. please go away. we've been chit on enough ITT before you showed up. pls daewoo dont do it to us.

Daewoo_Lanos
03-23-2014, 06:07 PM
Because he played with Shaq.


Why does your argument about Kobe vs LeBron involve Dirk Nowitzki?

Is it because your responses are limited, and I must ask the right questions Dr. Lanning?


Your argument wasn't about Kobe, then why does it matter that Kobe has 5 rings? Why would you bother saying that?

It's because you had nothing else to say of worth.


That was the original flaw in your argument though.

KOBE did not win those rings. Shaq did.

Unless you now think Derek Fisher was the proud champion 5 times as well, because he meant close to as much as kobe did. Certainly meant closer to what Kobe did than to what Shaq did.

Either way your point got blown to absolute **** and now you're trying to argue semantics about the guy you "weren't even talking about" (even though YOU mentioned him for no reason)



0/10 troll effort bro. 0/10.

RIP momason

waisoserious
03-23-2014, 06:41 PM
he was way underrated tbh because his shot was ugly

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he doesn't fuk around
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and he tickles
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and he fakes timeouts

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This thread is not about Andre Miller

Andre Miller fan club crew

i am now an andre miller fan

Daewoo_Lanos
03-23-2014, 06:45 PM
i am now an andre miller fan

that awkward moment when you're 31 and need a random post on the sports misc to appreciate andre miller's skills.

the rest of us remember all this chit when it actually happened.

waisoserious
03-23-2014, 06:58 PM
that awkward moment when you're 31 and need a random post on the sports misc to appreciate andre miller's skills.

the rest of us remember all this chit when it actually happened.

that feel when older than 31 and goes into every post to hate on GOATbe and zuk lebalds cawk

o wait i dont know that feel

Daewoo_Lanos
03-23-2014, 07:00 PM
that feel when older than 31 and goes into every post to hate on GOATbe and zuk lebalds cawk

o wait i dont know that feel

waisoserious

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 07:00 PM
Did you google "Pippen led the Bulls" and just use whatever popped up?


HOLY FCKING SHHITTTT.

Jordan closed the game out like he did that whole series.

Are you still trying to compare that game to Shaq FOULING OUT OF THE GAME AND NEVER RETURNING?


Im done.

poor little fatboi. clearly not getting enough blood to your brain. original poster stated that pippen could never lead the bulls in jordan's absence. pippen brought the bulls back in the game single handed in jordan's absence. in a clinching game 6 none the less. pippen is a better 2nd option than kobe ever was. this is indisputable.

khanvictt
03-23-2014, 07:07 PM
that feel when older than 31 and goes into every post to hate on GOATbe and zuk lebalds cawk

o wait i dont know that feel

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broboma2012
03-23-2014, 07:12 PM
Players in the top ten with more fmvp's than kobe bryant:

Shaq
Magic
Jordan
Duncan

Magic had the most ridiculously stacked teams in history. Shaq was his damn teammate. Duncan has been surrounded by hall of fame players and coach his entire career. And Jordan is the goat. So tell me, who are these other "players" you are talking about? Literally EVERYONE else has the SAME OR LESS fvmp's and rings. Are you a retard?

lol. among players who have 2 FMVP's he is dead last. he does not have the numbers to match up with those players. sorry this hurts your feelings. he simply does not have the numbers to compare to those other players. hakeem, shaq, duncan. wilt, kareem, Jordan. Those players are indisputably better with Bird and Bill Russel having EXCELLENT cases against him. kobe was simply not dominant for long enough.

*not to mention kobe has one of the worst finals MVP's of all time.
** I love how every kobe fan forgets his atrocious #'s in game 7's and clutch situations
***confirmation bias is a hell of a drug



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TexasMajor
03-23-2014, 07:29 PM
pippen is a better 2nd option than kobe ever was. this is indisputable.

Strong gay 4 pay profile pic. Where did your legs go?

LMFAO.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 07:31 PM
Im done.

Strong gay 4 pay profile pic. Where did your legs go?

LMFAO.

too easy Mr. I'm done.

lol. only gay if you are aroused. tehehhehehehehe. btw having your hand over your crotch is a classic sign of insecurity in men, fatty.

TexasMajor
03-23-2014, 07:36 PM
lol. only gay if you are aroused. tehehhehehehehe. btw having your hand over your crotch is a classic sign of insecurity in men, fatty.


Strong lighting in your avi.




and your "legs"




LMFAO. You have no room to be talking. You look like knicksrbake. Are you his homosexual sibling?

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 07:42 PM
Strong lighting in your avi.




and your "legs"




LMFAO. You have no room to be talking. You look like knicksrbake. Are you his homosexual sibling?
strong up lighting in yours. strong 0 pack. strong having your hands over your tiny peepee. yes i am knicksrbake's homosexual doppelganger though. so good call on that one. fatty.

back on topic. kobe is the GOAT in no single category.

edit: just got a PM from a mod. sorry for saying those things brah. didn't know you would take it so personally. sorry brah

mcboo2
03-23-2014, 08:07 PM
lol. among players who have 2 FMVP's he is dead last. he does not have the numbers to match up with those players. sorry this hurts your feelings. he simply does not have the numbers to compare to those other players. hakeem, shaq, duncan. wilt, kareem, Jordan. Those players are indisputably better with Bird and Bill Russel having EXCELLENT cases against him. kobe was simply not dominant for long enough.

*not to mention kobe has one of the worst finals MVP's of all time.
** I love how every kobe fan forgets his atrocious #'s in game 7's and clutch situations
***confirmation bias is a hell of a drug

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Of the players you listed, he averages more PPG, more assists, more steals then EVERY ONE OF THEM. (save bird who had .2 more steal, 1.5 more assist, slighltly lower points.) Literally THE ONLY CATEGORY THEY ACTUALLY DO BETTER IN IS REBOUNDS AND BLOCKS. Which is KIND OF WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. So again, I'll ask you, Are you a retard?. What are these imaginary numbers you are talking about? And if you say PER, holy chit imma about to die of laughter, cus go ahead and list the top 10 per averages and see if that coincides with the top 10 of all time players. And I'm the one with the conformation bias? Your argument basically boils down to this: I don't think kobe is as good as these guys cus I didn't get the rock in my rec league and I focus that rage on him. Cus it certainly isn't about the stats, the rings, the finals trips, the fmvps, playoff /career totals, First team all nba, or the All Nba Defensive first teams, longevity, or sucess. Because he beats them in every one of those categories.


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broboma2012
03-23-2014, 08:33 PM
Of the players you listed, he averages more PPG, more assists, more steals then EVERY ONE OF THEM. (save bird who had .2 more steal, 1.5 more assist, slighltly lower points.) Literally THE ONLY CATEGORY THEY ACTUALLY DO BETTER IN IS REBOUNDS AND BLOCKS. Which is KIND OF WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. So again, I'll ask you, Are you a retard?. What are these imaginary numbers you are talking about? And if you say PER, holy chit imma about to die of laughter, cus go ahead and list the top 10 per averages and see if that coincides with the top 10 of all time players. And I'm the one with the conformation bias? Your argument basically boils down to this: I don't think kobe is as good as these guys cus I didn't get the rock in my rec league and I focus that rage on him. Cus it certainly isn't about the stats, the rings, the finals trips, the fmvps, playoff /career totals, First team all nba, or the All Nba Defensive first teams, longevity, or sucess. Because he beats them in every one of those categories.


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just saw I forgot to list magic, who is above kobe as well.

classic kobe fan logic. if a metric odes not favor your bias it is not valid. lol at thinking that using PER as the only metric for evaluating a player would produce an accurate top 10 list. please name 1 single traditional metric that has the top 10 players of all time listed accurately. strong logic.


kobe averages more PPG than Jordan. wow news to me. I wont even go into jordan because his superiority is clearly evident.

kobe averages .9 more ppg than kareem despite playing 300+ less games and having a far greater USG%. i love how you discount the enormous gap in rebounds and blocks as 'what they are supposed to do' yet don't address assists in the same way. kareem dominates kobe in win shares and PER. seriously it is pathetic.

hakeem was a far better defender than kobe and is the most skilled big man of all time. he is also the only superstar to truly carry a team and win a ship
obviously dominates him in blocks and rebounds as well.

shaq. far more dominant. his peak eclipses kobe's. blocks and rebounds. FMVP's. win shares (despite playing in less games) and PER. only .9 less PPG with his decline already factored in. again if kobe chooses to continue playing you will see his scoring averages go down to meet kareem and shaq (what then lol).

wilt. lol also news to me that kobe averages more PPG than Wilt. hilarious revisionist history. also dominates kobe in rebounds, and if blocks were recorded that too. wilt was a better passer than kobe as well. not to mention PER and win shares. not even close here bub.

do I really need to go on. this isn't even factoring in kobe's repeated game 7 chokes. sub par nba finals stats. and terrible clutch shooting #'s. once again i am sorry you got too excited during kobe's peak. he is most likely top 10. definitely not top 5. i honestly don't even know why i am posting this. if you have willfully ignored the facts for this long there is no hope. just kobe fan confirmation bias case study # 494994459886668873000

please name one category/metric/anything that kobe is the GOAT in

mcboo2
03-23-2014, 08:59 PM
What are you babbling about now? We are talking about the players YOU LISTED AS BETTER THAN KOBE WITH THE SAME OR LESS FMVPS. And the STATS I WAS COMPARING WAS TO THE PLAYERS YOU YOURSELF LISTED. Now, because it doesn't fit your retarded narrative you start talking about Jordan and Wilt. And lmao at your novels where you make baseless comparisons of CENTERS to a SG. Son... go to bed lol. This is a wrap

xler
03-23-2014, 09:24 PM
so essentially a potentially interesting thread turns into yet another retarded bitchfest. I seriously forgot what this topic was about until someone quoted someone from the first page. I was essentially like... holy **** that's what this thread is (supposed to be) about....

love nba season on the sports misc

im not a kobe fan, i have the utmost respect for the guy.... but i am definitely not rooting for him to succeed and never have (celtic fan) but I went through the link and was genuinely impressed by his presence on list.

yes im aware huge scoring games for players actually doesn't actually mean much in the grand scheme of things... but you cant deny its fun

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 09:50 PM
he does not have the numbers to match up with those players. sorry this hurts your feelings. he simply does not have the numbers to compare to those other players. hakeem, shaq, duncan. wilt, kareem, Jordan


What are you babbling about now? We are talking about the players YOU LISTED AS BETTER THAN KOBE WITH THE SAME OR LESS FMVPS. And the STATS I WAS COMPARING WAS TO THE PLAYERS YOU YOURSELF LISTED. Now, because it doesn't fit your retarded narrative you start talking about Jordan and Wilt. And lmao at your novels where you make baseless comparisons of CENTERS to a SG. Son... go to bed lol. This is a wrap

those are the players I listed that are better than kobe as you can see. lol. kobe debates are the best. my brain could be on screen saver status and still it would be a 10/10 flawless victory. we are talking about the top ten basketball players. lol. i guess centers are not basketball players? i guess if they are better than kobe they are not. lol literally discounting entire positions now. not just stats. it is hilarious. new kobe fan logic level unlocked.

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 09:52 PM
hakeem was a far better defender than kobe and is the most skilled big man of all time. he is also the only superstar to truly carry a team and win a ship
obviously dominates him in blocks and rebounds as well.

shaq. far more dominant. his peak eclipses kobe's. blocks and rebounds. FMVP's. win shares (despite playing in less games) and PER. only .9 less PPG with his decline already factored in. again if kobe chooses to continue playing you will see his scoring averages go down to meet kareem and shaq (what then lol).

wilt. lol also news to me that kobe averages more PPG than Wilt. hilarious revisionist history. also dominates kobe in rebounds, and if blocks were recorded that too. wilt was a better passer than kobe as well. not to mention PER and win shares. not even close here bub.

please name one category/metric/anything that kobe is the GOAT inITP we compare centers to SGs and discredit SGs if they have less rebounds and blocks than a center...

Lol calling Wilt a better passer when he has Elgin Baylor and Jerry West to defer to.

2008-2010 Kobe we're looking at a three year stretch where he got 30/6/6/2 on 47 FG%, 51 eFG%, 57 TS% including some epic series. 2 rings, 3 finals. Not many have done it better...

His conference finals series:

29/6/4 53% vs. Spurs (who just a year before embarassed Lebron and were top 3 defense)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. Nuggets (shut down Chris Paul that year and top 10 defense)
34/7/8 on 52% vs. Suns (who after the all-star break were top 5 defense)

Playoff Stats Year-by-Year

2008
30.1 ppg 5.7 rpg 5.6 apg 48fg% 30%3P 81%FT 58TS% 51eFG%

2009
30.2 ppg 5.3 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 35%3P 88%FT 56TS% 49eFG%

2010
29.2 ppg 6.0 rpg 5.5 apg 46fg% 37%3P 84%FT 57TS% 51eFG%

2x NBA Champion
2x NBA Finals MVP
1x NBA MVP
1x All Star Game MVP
3x All NBA First Team
3x All-Defensive First Team
1x Olympic Gold Medal


That efficiency is identical to first three-peat playoff Jordan. Crazy. Seriously, compare their FG% on twos, their eFG% and TS%, they are basically the same (though MJ was better player, scored more points etc etc).

His best series in this span....

34/5/6 on 50% vs. '08 Nuggets
29/6/4 on 53% vs. '08 Spurs (#3 ranked defense and a year before embarrassed Lebron)
34/6/6 on 48% vs. '09 Nuggets
33/7/7 on 49% vs. '08 Jazz
34/7/8 on 52% vs. '10 Suns
32/6/7 + great defense vs. '09 Magic

As far as 3 year runs, the only players I can think of off the top of my head with 3 year runs that I'd say were better were Jordan('91-'93), Shaq('00-'02), Bird('84-'86) and Olajuwon('93-'95). Magic has a case for '87-'89 as well.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 09:52 PM
so essentially a potentially interesting thread turns into yet another retarded bitchfest. I seriously forgot what this topic was about until someone quoted someone from the first page. I was essentially like... holy **** that's what this thread is (supposed to be) about....

love nba season on the sports misc

im not a kobe fan, i have the utmost respect for the guy.... but i am definitely not rooting for him to succeed and never have (celtic fan) but I went through the link and was genuinely impressed by his presence on list.

yes im aware huge scoring games for players actually doesn't actually mean much in the grand scheme of things... but you cant deny its fun

I bet your idea a good conversation IRL involves: 'wow. this weather we are having! How bout it?' 'Gas prices'

Street-Profit
03-23-2014, 09:57 PM
smh nikkas who never seen Pippen play tryna discredit him itt. the original point forward that held the opposing teams most dynamic players, had a jumper and assassinated nba centers on the daily...

IndianBrah92
03-23-2014, 10:03 PM
I bet your idea a good conversation IRL involves: 'wow. this weather we are having! How bout it?' 'Gas prices'

Lol


But seriously though, there is so much to factor in when comparing players from this era and jordans. So many different rules, more intelligent designed defense, i just think it's crazy how quick you are to label some things as fact just because of how it is on paper.

mcboo2
03-23-2014, 10:04 PM
those are the players I listed that are better than kobe as you can see. lol. kobe debates are the best. my brain could be on screen saver status and still it would be a 10/10 flawless victory. we are talking about the top ten basketball players. lol. i guess centers are not basketball players? i guess if they are better than kobe they are not. lol literally discounting entire positions now. not just stats. it is hilarious. new kobe fan logic level unlocked.


just saw I forgot to list magic, who is above kobe as well.

classic kobe fan logic. if a metric odes not favor your bias it is not valid. lol at thinking that using PER as the only metric for evaluating a player would produce an accurate top 10 list. please name 1 single traditional metric that has the top 10 players of all time listed accurately. strong logic.


kobe averages more PPG than Jordan. wow news to me. I wont even go into jordan because his superiority is clearly evident.

kobe averages .9 more ppg than kareem despite playing 300+ less games and having a far greater USG%. i love how you discount the enormous gap in rebounds and blocks as 'what they are supposed to do' yet don't address assists in the same way. kareem dominates kobe in win shares and PER. seriously it is pathetic.

hakeem was a far better defender than kobe and is the most skilled big man of all time. he is also the only superstar to truly carry a team and win a ship
obviously dominates him in blocks and rebounds as well.

shaq. far more dominant. his peak eclipses kobe's. blocks and rebounds. FMVP's. win shares (despite playing in less games) and PER. only .9 less PPG with his decline already factored in. again if kobe chooses to continue playing you will see his scoring averages go down to meet kareem and shaq (what then lol).

wilt. lol also news to me that kobe averages more PPG than Wilt. hilarious revisionist history. also dominates kobe in rebounds, and if blocks were recorded that too. wilt was a better passer than kobe as well. not to mention PER and win shares. not even close here bub.

do I really need to go on. this isn't even factoring in kobe's repeated game 7 chokes. sub par nba finals stats. and terrible clutch shooting #'s. once again i am sorry you got too excited during kobe's peak. he is most likely top 10. definitely not top 5. i honestly don't even know why i am posting this. if you have willfully ignored the facts for this long there is no hope. just kobe fan confirmation bias case study # 494994459886668873000

please name one category/metric/anything that kobe is the GOAT in

Dude you are incredibly dumb, and thats putting it nicely. You basically say kobe fan blah blah blah make up some logical fallacy im using and loop me in with every Kobe fan. Then you spout off random bull**** which has NO BASIS IN REALITY and spout it as fact. Hakeem carried the teams by himself? You an idiot? Clyde Drexler (hall of famer) averaged 22 . ROBERT HORRY, and solid role players like sam cassell and Kenny Smith WERE ALL ON THOSE TEAMS. You basically MAKE THINGS UP, to fit your narrative of why Kobe is some scrub. But the irony of all this is lost upon you

Daewoo_Lanos
03-23-2014, 10:06 PM
LMAO at the fukn meltdown kobe phaggots are having ITT

quoting stats from games they never saw. lol'd hard as fuk

pippen > kobe

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:11 PM
That efficiency is identical to first three-peat playoff Jordan. Crazy. Seriously, compare their FG% on twos, their eFG% and TS%, they are basically the same (though MJ was better player, scored more points etc etc).

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haha. never during any 3 year stretch consecutive or non consecutive did kobe play like first 3 peat MJ.

the 3 year stretch you are talking about. jordan shot 51.7% kobe shot 46.1% jordan averaged 30.1 ppg. kobe 27.4. jordan also averaged more rebounds and assists.

during this time span jordan accumulated 55 win shares. kobe 36 (lol).

jordan's per: 29.7 kobe's: 23.5 (lol)

MJ TS% 58% kobe 56%

mg efg% 53% kobe 50%

now for the playoffs
mj 34 7 and 6 kobe 30 6 and 6

ts%
mj 57% kobe 57%

efg%
mj 52% kobe 50%

per
mj 30 kobe 26

win shares
mj 13 kobe 11(played 9 more games)

win shares/48
mj .267 kobe .203



what universe are you in when these 2 players are 'close'?

i love how you say no one did it better and then list 4 players who did it better. hilarious.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:18 PM
Dude you are incredibly dumb, and thats putting it nicely. You basically say kobe fan blah blah blah make up some logical fallacy im using and loop me in with every Kobe fan. Then you spout off random bull**** which has NO BASIS IN REALITY and spout it as fact. Hakeem carried the teams by himself? You an idiot? Clyde Drexler (hall of famer) averaged 22 . ROBERT HORRY, and solid role players like sam cassell and Kenny Smith WERE ALL ON THOSE TEAMS. You basically MAKE THINGS UP, to fit your narrative of why Kobe is some scrub. But the irony of all this is lost upon you

you just exposed yourself yet again. hakeem won without clyde the glide for the 1st ship. he had not one single other legit star. lol at bringing up robert horry

edit: still waiting on you to note one category/metric/anything that kobe is GOAT in

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:20 PM
LMAO at the fukn meltdown kobe phaggots are having ITT

quoting stats from games they never saw. lol'd hard as fuk

pippen > kobe

while that isn't true. at least pippen can hang his hat on being the GOAT perimeter defender and the GOAT 2nd banana. kobe has literally nothing to hang his hat as far as being the GOAT.

mcboo2
03-23-2014, 10:33 PM
you just exposed yourself yet again. hakeem won without clyde the glide for the 1st ship. he had not one single other legit star. lol at bringing up robert horry

and where did i say he was there for the first? Go ahead and making up arguments people don't say, its working quite well

mcboo2
03-23-2014, 10:33 PM
you just exposed yourself yet again. hakeem won without clyde the glide for the 1st ship. he had not one single other legit star. lol at bringing up robert horry

and where did i say he was there for the first? Go ahead and making up arguments people don't say, its working quite well

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 10:40 PM
haha. never during any 3 year stretch consecutive or non consecutive did kobe play like first 3 peat MJ.

the 3 year stretch you are talking about. jordan shot 51.7% kobe shot 46.1% jordan averaged 30.1 ppg. kobe 27.4. jordan also averaged more rebounds and assists.

during this time span jordan accumulated 55 win shares. kobe 36 (lol).

jordan's per: 29.7 kobe's: 23.5 (lol)

MJ TS% 58% kobe 56%

mg efg% 53% kobe 50%

now for the playoffs
mj 34 7 and 6 kobe 30 6 and 6

ts%
mj 57% kobe 57%

efg%
mj 52% kobe 50%

per
mj 30 kobe 26

win shares
mj 13 kobe 11(played 9 more games)

win shares/48
mj .267 kobe .203



what universe are you in when these 2 players are 'close'?

i love how you say no one did it better and then list 4 players who did it better. hilarious.



That efficiency is identical to first three-peat playoff Jordan. Crazy. Seriously, compare their FG% on twos, their eFG% and TS%, they are basically the same (though MJ was better player, scored more points etc etc).
...

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:42 PM
and where did i say he was there for the first? Go ahead and making up arguments people don't say, its working quite well

Then you spout off random bull**** which has NO BASIS IN REALITY and spout it as fact. Hakeem carried the teams by himself? You an idiot? Clyde Drexler (hall of famer) averaged 22. ROBERT HORRY, and solid role players like sam cassell and Kenny Smith WERE ALL ON THOSE TEAMS. You basically MAKE THINGS UP, to fit your narrative of why Kobe is some scrub. But the irony of all this is lost upon you


this would all go a lot faster if i didn't have to remind what you posted in your last post. come one man. try to keep up.

please name 1 other star player on that 1st squad

i am getting a strong sdballer vib from you. it seems you he has gotten to you to the point where you have adopted his posting style.

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 10:43 PM
i love how you say no one did it better and then list 4 players who did it better. hilarious."Not many have done it better..."

Reading comprehension similar to Stevie Wonder.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:45 PM
...

so what was your point considerin MJ was more efficient while scoring more points and just generally dominating him in every metric? you were just comparing 2 random players then i guess

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:47 PM
"Not many have done it better..."

Reading comprehension similar to Stevie Wonder.

implying that stevie wonder can't read. holy shiat. datsrascist.gif


also reported for rascism. srs

mcboo2
03-23-2014, 10:49 PM
this would all go a lot faster if i didn't have to remind what you posted in your last post. come one man. try to keep up.

You LITERALLY just removed a period from my quote (separating individual statements) to try to save face and make it seem like you are right. Lol wow

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 10:50 PM
implying that stevie wonder can't read. holy shiat. datsrascist.gif


also reported for rascism. srsHe's Blind.

I'm Black.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:52 PM
You LITERALLY just removed a period from my quote (separating individual statements) to try to save face and make it seem like you are right. Lol wow

put it back in sweetie. still does not change the meaning. please name a legit star on that 1st championship team.

i know it is cheap but it does feel good to so easily talk circles around you

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:53 PM
He's Blind.

I'm Black.

black people can't be racist? yowza just digging yourself deeper, aren't you? blind people can read you bigot.

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 10:54 PM
so what was your point considerin MJ was more efficient while scoring more points and just generally dominating him in every metric? you were just comparing 2 random players then i guessJust some guy with 5 Rings 2 FMVPs with 7 appearances in the Finals and winning half the rings in a decade.

Only Magic's Lakers, Bill's Celtics and MJ's bulls did this and more. But i guess they are scrubs.

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 10:56 PM
black people can't be racist? yowza just digging yourself deeper, aren't you? blind people can read you bigot.Will i get in trouble for calling you stupid too?

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:56 PM
Lol


But seriously though, there is so much to factor in when comparing players from this era and jordans. So many different rules, more intelligent designed defense, i just think it's crazy how quick you are to label some things as fact just because of how it is on paper.

translation: i think it is crazy when facts contradict my beliefs.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 10:57 PM
Just some guy with 5 Rings 2 FMVPs with 7 appearances in the Finals and winning half the rings in a decade.

Only Magic's Lakers, Bill's Celtics and MJ's bulls did this and more. But i guess they are scrubs.

yea those are great teams. as you so wonderfully said yourself kobe does not stack up against the all time great as an individual

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 10:59 PM
yea those are great teams. as you so wonderfully said yourself kobe does not stack up against the all time great as an individualLol each 1 of those guys had more than 1 Allstar.

Kobe never had more than 1 allstar on his team for any of his runs.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:00 PM
Will i get in trouble for calling you stupid too?

no i am incredibly stupid. this makes it all the more embarrassing that I kicked you right in the brain dick with my superior intellect (relative to yours of course).

ShweezyBTFO
03-23-2014, 11:01 PM
He's Blind.

I'm Black.

so blind people can't read braille? That's almost as ignorant as OutWorkedByLife's existence.

mcboo2
03-23-2014, 11:01 PM
put it back in sweetie. still does not change the meaning. please name a legit star on that 1st championship team.

i know it is cheap but it does feel good to so easily talk circles around you

Talking circles around what? Yourself? I have yet to see you make a coherent argument on anything. I can't tell if you are being serious anymore? You said: Kobe had help and got carried? --> so did almost everyone else at one point. You said: Kobe's numbers aren't comparable to the ones with the same or less fvmp's? ---> I said: he has better? You said: Well, he isn't number 1 in any statistical category! That is basically the entirety of the conversation here. Your posts: don't lead to anything. My posts: show coherently how kobe has better stats, more sucess, more all nba, first d team, more finals trips, more rings, and the same or more fmvp's except magic, shaq, duncan (all with one more, less or the same ring count), and jordan. There really isn't anything else to discuss

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:03 PM
Lol each 1 of those guys had more than 1 Allstar.

Kobe never had more than 1 allstar on his team for any of his runs.

sooooo what. they had better teams and were better as indivduals

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 11:07 PM
no i am incredibly stupid. this makes it all the more embarrassing that I kicked you right in the brain dick with my superior intellect (subjective to yours of course).Worst poster than Daephaggot. (Dead SRS)

Didn't think it was possible. This discussion is over.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:08 PM
Talking circles around what? Yourself? I have yet to see you make a coherent argument on anything. I can't tell if you are being serious anymore? You said: Kobe had help and got carried? --> so did almost everyone else at one point. You said: Kobe's numbers aren't comparable to the ones with the same or less fvmp's? ---> I said: he has better? You said: Well, he isn't number 1 in any statistical category! That is basically the entirety of the conversation here. Your posts: don't lead to anything. My posts: show coherently how kobe has better stats, more sucess, more all nba, first d team, more finals trips, more rings, and the same or more fmvp's except magic, shaq, duncan (all with one more, less or the same ring count), and jordan. There really isn't anything else to discuss

if this is what you really got out of today's lesson then i may have to flunk you. please do some more studying and get your big boy pants maybe we can have a big boy discussion.

ShweezyBTFO
03-23-2014, 11:09 PM
Worst poster than Daephaggot. (Dead SRS)

Didn't think it was possible. This discussion is over.

Worst poster than? Did you go to school with OutWorkedByVikings by any chance?

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:09 PM
Worst poster than Daephaggot. (Dead SRS)

Didn't think it was possible. This discussion is over.

no, now it's over. so there.

broboma2012
03-23-2014, 11:11 PM
Worst poster than? Did you go to school with OutWorkedByVikings by any chance?

i am honored. i would appreciate it if you included the part about the brain dick as this visual tickles me. homo

cliffs on this thread

facts are bad
they are also confusing
stevie wonder is black
this is why he can't read

ShweezyBTFO
03-23-2014, 11:11 PM
no, now it's over. so there.

JnFe6JDS6A0

RoxasBrah
03-23-2014, 11:13 PM
Worst poster than? Did you go to school with OutWorkedByVikings by any chance?Naw dude quit school and starting working with this Willy Wonka fella.

Lol'd at broboma being in your sig already.

ShweezyBTFO
03-23-2014, 11:17 PM
i am honored. i would appreciate it if you included the part about the brain dick as this visual tickles me. homo

cliffs on this thread

facts are bad
they are also confusing
stevie wonder is black
this is why he can't read

it wouldn't fit.














no homo


Naw dude quit school and starting working with this Willy Wonka fella.

Lol broboma in your sig already.


broboma is special. He knows how to rustle me by putting Rivera on his ACL list, but he balances it out by putting DUIbrera on that bitch too.

IndianBrah92
03-24-2014, 09:13 AM
sooooo what. they had better teams and were better as indivduals


see now this is one of the things I am talking about. It is hard to assess the individual when the situations are different.

You cannot make that statement right there and claim it to be a fact.

broboma2012
03-24-2014, 10:11 AM
see now this is one of the things I am talking about. It is hard to assess the individual when the situations are different.

You cannot make that statement right there and claim it to be a fact.

so players are never comparable? or is this just when all objective analysis points to them being better than kobe?

IndianBrah92
03-24-2014, 10:18 AM
so players are never comparable? or is this just when all objective analysis points to them being better than kobe?


lol you act as if having worse players around you isn't going to influence your statistics in a certain way. you are just quick to label certain things as facts when they are not, for example calling Kobe a quitter, not even Alvin Gentry agrees with that.

broboma2012
03-24-2014, 10:44 AM
lol you act as if having worse players around you isn't going to influence your statistics in a certain way. you are just quick to label certain things as facts when they are not, for example calling Kobe a quitter, not even Alvin Gentry agrees with that.

he clearly quit on that team. kobe has had gasol, ron artest, shaq, dwight, nash, gary payton, karl malone, andrew bynum, and the GOAT coach. also, his best individual years came when he had terrible teammates. this is typically how it works. look at any team that has multiple stars; their numbers when they were the only star on their team are almost always better.

IndianBrah92
03-24-2014, 11:24 AM
he clearly quit on that team.

lol no man.



kobe has had gasol, ron artest, shaq, dwight, nash, gary payton, karl malone, andrew bynum, and the GOAT coach. also, his best individual years came when he had terrible teammates. this is typically how it works. look at any team that has multiple stars; their numbers when they were the only star on their team are almost always better.

this reminds me of the time when Mark Cuban came on ESPN and was arguing with Stephen A and Skip Bayless. Mark Cuban called them out for speaking in generalities, without diving into the scenarios and making observations and extrapolations off stats alone. What happened in the end was that Skip Bayless looked like a complete moron trying to argue with Mark Cuban, while a smarter Stephen A kept his mouth shut until the very end of the program when he tried to cover up their agenda by saying "we don't have access to all that" ,implying that they don't have access to knowledge to be able to assess what type of defense is being played on a player by using the human eye and a video tape.

broboma2012
03-24-2014, 11:30 AM
lol no man.




this reminds me of the time when Mark Cuban came on ESPN and was arguing with Stephen A and Skip Bayless. Mark Cuban called them out for speaking in generalities, without diving into the scenarios and making observations and extrapolations off stats alone. What happened in the end was that Skip Bayless looked like a complete moron trying to argue with Mark Cuban, while a smarter Stephen A kept his mouth shut until the very end of the program when he tried to cover up their agenda by saying "we don't have access to all that" ,implying that they don't have access to knowledge to be able to assess what type of defense is being played on a player by using the human eye and a video tape.

taking 3 shots and only scoring 1 point in the second half of a game 7 for a player of kobe's caliber is definitely giving up.

what in god's name are you talking about?

IndianBrah92
03-24-2014, 11:33 AM
taking 3 shots and only scoring 1 point in the second half of a game 7 for a player of kobe's caliber is definitely giving up.

what in god's name are you talking about?


SAkVnlA9CJo


lol scoring 20+ points in the first half to only still being obliterated, and trying to get teammates involved is quitting now right

broboma2012
03-24-2014, 11:40 AM
SAkVnlA9CJo


lol scoring 20+ points in the first half to only still being obliterated, and trying to get teammates involved is quitting now right


i know about the video but i have no clue the relevance it has. you lose every single point and defer to some irrelevant triumphant moment for mark cuban?

and yes, kobe trying to do something that he clearly knew wouldn't work just to prove a point is quitting. once again sorry for causing this cognitive dissonance in you. i imagine it is very uncomfortable for you.

IndianBrah92
03-24-2014, 11:44 AM
i know about the video but i have no clue the relevance it has. you lose every single point and defer to some irrelevant triumphant moment for mark cuban?

and yes, kobe trying to do something that he clearly knew wouldn't work just to prove a point is quitting. once again sorry for causing this cognitive dissonance in you. i imagine it is very uncomfortable for you.


lol this is to be continued man. i don't have time right now for what I want to get into right now.

sdballer5588
03-24-2014, 11:45 AM
lol this is to be continued man. i don't have time right now for what I want to get into right now.

Hahahaha what?

IndianBrah92
03-24-2014, 11:48 AM
Hahahaha what?


lol stay tuned, i'll try to make a quality presentation with power point and errythang, but it will have to wait

Daewoo_Lanos
03-24-2014, 12:17 PM
Literally on pace to score 50 points in a playoff game 7...a glory hog's wet dream type of game and then Kobe, RENOWNED FOR HIS DESIRE TO GET TEAMMATES INVOLVED PARTICULARLY WHEN HE'S ON FIRE, gives in to his irresistible desire to stop shooting and allows his instincts to make the right basketball play take over.

That's what happened in the 2nd half that day. Lol @ quitting on his team. Pls go

k_rock
03-24-2014, 12:44 PM
Shout out to the future of the league Terrance Ross.

Chairman7w
03-24-2014, 01:48 PM
Dang, just looked up Jordan. 39 times. Jesus.

jross2021
03-24-2014, 02:17 PM
Shout out to the future of the league Terrance Ross.

Ross is such a beast. He's hindered by Lowry and DeRozan. Raptors are bake as fuk doe.

JamalDupree
03-24-2014, 02:24 PM
Allen Iverson with the 3rd most. Respect to the pound for pound GOAT.

6 feet tall, having 50 point games!!!! smallest player on the list.

Sorry4TheGoatbe
03-24-2014, 02:42 PM
lol lebron fans avoiding this thread like the plaque

goatbe kids take notes

sdballer5588
03-24-2014, 03:16 PM
lol lebron fans avoiding this thread like the plaque

goatbe kids take notes

Sorry4the1287578125687125628756th account

Seriously how bad is your life that you have made legit 120938129582687 accounts?

MusicalHam
03-24-2014, 04:44 PM
Harden first player ever to score more then 35 points and get 10 assists in less then 30 minutes..

Lol@ all these other peasants. Harden is the heir and plays the GOAT position

TexasMajor
03-24-2014, 05:27 PM
Allen Iverson with the 3rd most. Respect to the pound for pound GOAT.

6 feet tall, having 50 point games!!!! smallest player on the list.

LOL'd hard at your username.

RoxasBrah
03-24-2014, 06:30 PM
Literally on pace to score 50 points in a playoff game 7...a glory hog's wet dream type of game and then Kobe, RENOWNED FOR HIS DESIRE TO GET TEAMMATES INVOLVED PARTICULARLY WHEN HE'S ON FIRE, gives in to his irresistible desire to stop shooting and allows his instincts to make the right basketball play take over.

That's what happened in the 2nd half that day. Lol @ quitting on his team. Pls goOnly dumbfuk i have ever seen to consider 37 points with 29 seconds left to be "on pace for 50" in my life.

Daewoo_Lanos
03-24-2014, 07:01 PM
Only dumbfuk i have ever seen to consider 37 points with 29 seconds left to be "on pace for 50" in my life.

Quoted for stupidity.

Don't even know what game kobrick quit in. Shut the fuk up