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essenn
12-19-2013, 06:55 PM
http://rt.com/news/denmark-nsa-signit-partner-516/

Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands and several other EU countries were named among “third party partners” in the NSA-led global signal intelligence program, a new leak submitted by journalist Glenn Greenwald to Danish TV reveals.

According to the document, obtained by Swedish TV program ‘Mission: Investigate’, that has been probing Sweden's participation in global spying operations, nine European countries were added to the list of NSA accomplices.

The "third party partners" to the Five Eyes nations has now grown to include nine states - Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain.

The newly-leaked document from Edward Snowden is the first written confirmation of Denmark's formal agreement with the NSA, the Copenhagen Post writes.

Denmark’s role in US spying scheme was labeled “very worrying” by Enhedslisten's Pernille Skipper, Danish parliamentarian.

“When Denmark is one of the US intelligence services' close allies, one must ask themselves what it is we are giving in return,” Skipper told public broadcaster DR.

“When you consider this along with the other revelations that have come out, which insinuate that the US systematically spies on residents throughout Europe in violation of very basic rights, then you can naturally fear that the collaboration between Denmark and the US means that Danes have been spied upon.”

The list of new NSA partners was made public last week as part of the new batch of NSA-documents from the Snowden-Greenwald collection. The ‘14-Eyes’ group, the document also revealed, send their staff for training to the US. The group is also known as the SIGINT Seniors Europe or SSEUR.

On its website the NSA writes that foreign Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) is “specifically limited to gathering information about international terrorists and foreign powers, organizations, or persons.”

It adds “SIGINT provides a vital window for our [USA] nation into foreign adversaries' capabilities, actions, and intentions.”

Until the recent wire, the trickling of NSA leaks suggested that a number of countries were involved. France, Germany, Norway, Italy, Belgium and allegedly Spain were perceived to be the NSA’s 3rd party partners.

Sweden, Denmark and especially the Netherlands were not listed as such, but SVT’s earlier episodes revealed the Swedish signals intelligence agency (FRA) spied on Russian leaders and businesses and shared the data collected with the US.

The third party "partners" need to worry about being “victims of NSA surveillance,” because of negative “trust” relationships they will have with the US based on economic interests, whistleblower Jesselyn Radack, of the Government Accountability Project told RT.

“The NSA has not only violated the trust of its own citizens by conducting mass dragnet surveillance on innocent people but doing it to the innocent populations of the allied nations.”

NSA’s global reach is “completely unnecessary”, because it destroys diplomacy and undermines economic relations with other countries. Radack argues the NSA is just gathering intelligence on people that are suspected of doing “absolutely nothing.”

“I think we see these reverberations not just among the 5 eyes countries, some of whom have been colluding in helping the NSA gather this data, but we see reverberations worldwide and they are far reaching, because again, NSA tentacles have been far reaching” she added.


A wild global police surveillance state appears!

This is bad for humanity, freedom and the right to privacy.

Millions if not billions of people will die if the US continues what it is doing across the world -> these stupid mofos (so called politicians) that serve corporate interests will kick off a war like none before and the fat slobs in the US are physically not capable of stopping it.

ymer
12-19-2013, 07:28 PM
lol @ anyone that still denies that a few people run the whole world.

nutsy54
12-19-2013, 07:37 PM
So.... Is anyone still falling for the ridiculous claim that Snowden's treason was limited to stealing information about "illegal" spying against US citizens?

ymer
12-19-2013, 07:48 PM
So.... Is anyone still falling for the ridiculous claim that Snowden's treason was limited to stealing information about "illegal" spying against US citizens?

I very much appreciate that he has the evidence to show what we already knew but people were in denial of.

It's good to know that you did take your meds today and are a little coherent :D

essenn
12-19-2013, 09:07 PM
So.... Is anyone still falling for the ridiculous claim that Snowden's treason was limited to stealing information about "illegal" spying against US citizens?

The amount of information being release is amazing and very helpful in identifying exactly what sort of a sham democracy is running in the US.

LizzieTish
12-19-2013, 09:08 PM
A wild global police surveillance state appears!

This is bad for humanity, freedom and the right to privacy.

Millions if not billions of people will die if the US continues what it is doing across the world -> these stupid mofos (so called politicians) that serve corporate interests will kick off a war like none before and the fat slobs in the US are physically not capable of stopping it.
People within America spying on Americans deserve the death penalty. I have the right to be left alone and be anonymous. You have the right to be left alone and be anonymous. We are spied on because 320+ million humans are considered de facto enemies of the state--the spying is to protect the usurpers of the government the founding fathers intended from being removed from power by We The People.

nutsy54
12-19-2013, 09:13 PM
The amount of information being release is amazing and very helpful in identifying exactly what sort of a sham democracy is running in the US.
And how does knowledge that one spy agency works with another spy agency on the other side of the planet lead to claims of a "sham democracy in the US"?

LizzieTish
12-19-2013, 09:29 PM
lol @ anyone that still denies that a few people run the whole world.
"According to the document, obtained by Swedish TV program ‘Mission: Investigate’, that has been probing Sweden's participation in global spying operations, nine European countries were added to the list of NSA accomplices.

The "third party partners" to the Five Eyes nations has now grown to include nine states - Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain."

^ Yup, brb there is no massive global conspiracy, government is too incompetent!

ICrapBig
12-19-2013, 09:35 PM
So.... Is anyone still falling for the ridiculous claim that Snowden's treason was limited to stealing information about "illegal" spying against US citizens?

Wonder if we would be hearing about any of this if not for Snowden.

YourDoneNow
12-19-2013, 09:36 PM
bend over and take it up the ass citizen

nutsy54
12-19-2013, 09:38 PM
Wonder if we would be hearing about any of this if not for Snowden.
Hearing what? The details of intelligence collection that have NOTHING to do with operations against US citizens?

Why the hell are you so excited about telling our enemies how we work against them?

YourDoneNow
12-19-2013, 09:39 PM
Hearing what? The details of intelligence collection that have NOTHING to do with operations against US citizens?

Why the hell are you so excited about telling our enemies how we work against them?

You are the enemy

nutsy54
12-19-2013, 09:39 PM
^ Yup, brb there is no massive global conspiracy, government is too incompetent!
That's now what you're going to call a "conspiracy"? Allies working with each other?

Cute little disinformation campaign you got going there, trying to change the definition of a "Conspiracy Theorist". See ya with more on Saturday :D

nutsy54
12-19-2013, 09:41 PM
You are the enemy
Well, that claim makes no sense. You guys just keep babbling among yourselves - ignore that the OP post doesn't actually support any of the ranting claims...

BRB - "I'm the enemy". I guess I'll keep that in mind when visiting Denmark as a foreign national in their country.

ymer
12-19-2013, 09:43 PM
Hearing what? The details of intelligence collection that have NOTHING to do with operations against US citizens?

Why the hell are you so excited about telling our enemies how we work against them?

As usual, trying to change the subject, this thread is about the uncovering of NSA second tier partners, not operations against US citizens.

Please stop trolling grandpa.

ICrapBig
12-19-2013, 09:47 PM
Hearing what? The details of intelligence collection that have NOTHING to do with operations against US citizens?

Why the hell are you so excited about telling our enemies how we work against them?

All the tapping of internet traffic and monitoring of local internet activity is all to protect us from terrorists! Of course!

God help the day when criticism of government becomes illegal or they start targeting enemies of the state through the IRS.

Oh wait!

The NSA is not acting in our interests, its acting against them by infringing on our rights to privacy. That you have no problem with this is dumbfounding.

YourDoneNow
12-19-2013, 09:50 PM
Well, that claim makes no sense. You guys just keep babbling among yourselves - ignore that the OP post doesn't actually support any of the ranting claims...

BRB - "I'm the enemy". I guess I'll keep that in mind when visiting Denmark as a foreign national in their country.

You're on the government payroll you can't be such a diehard tard in reality. You gotta defend your employer the hand that feeds you to the death of consciousness.

LukeLissen
12-19-2013, 10:06 PM
ITT: propaganda agents who work for the tyrant nations of Russia, Iran, and Syria talking **** about the US.

except for nutsy of course

nutsy54
12-19-2013, 10:23 PM
As usual, trying to change the subject, this thread is about the uncovering of NSA second tier partners, not operations against US citizens.
Once again: Everyone falsely claimed Snowden was a noble guy just working to reveal "illegal" operations against US citizens - now you even admit that wasn't his true goal. He's just a treasonous criminal.

Meanwhile: Answer my question, why are you so excited to "uncover NSA second tier partners", revealing information that has no benefit except to our enemies?

nutsy54
12-19-2013, 10:24 PM
All the tapping of internet traffic and monitoring of local internet activity is all to protect us from terrorists! Of course!

God help the day when criticism of government becomes illegal or they start targeting enemies of the state through the IRS.

Oh wait!

The NSA is not acting in our interests, its acting against them by infringing on our rights to privacy. That you have no problem with this is dumbfounding.
Why did you quote my post if your babbling rant didn't address anything I said?

nutsy54
12-19-2013, 10:27 PM
You're on the government payroll you can't be such a diehard tard in reality. You gotta defend your employer the hand that feeds you to the death of consciousness.
Says the liar who ignores I constantly criticize and vilify the idiots in Washington - and haven't "defended" anything in this thread, because there's nothing to defend.

Damn, you guys can only come up with cue-card talking points; not a single intelligent thought of your own. This same old song & dance is getting boring.

ZenBowman
12-19-2013, 10:45 PM
So.... Is anyone still falling for the ridiculous claim that Snowden's treason was limited to stealing information about "illegal" spying against US citizens?

This just validates Snowden's actions. He was willing to go against a vast international surveillance state, that takes an incredible amount of courage.

Human.Shield
12-19-2013, 11:29 PM
A wild global police surveillance state appears!

and what are you going to do about it op?

MajesticLion
12-19-2013, 11:36 PM
The funny thing about the designation "ally" here is that there's an implicit understanding that they all spy on each other as well as part of the game.

What a world this has been made into.

LukeLissen
12-19-2013, 11:58 PM
This just validates Snowden's actions. He was willing to go against a vast international surveillance state, that takes an incredible amount of courage.

...or enticement by Russian FSB money to do it.

LizzieTish
12-20-2013, 05:47 AM
This just validates Snowden's actions. He was willing to go against a vast international surveillance state, that takes an incredible amount of courage.
Watch how the "aiding our enemies!!!" talking point gets completely destroyed:


Congress Backs Terrorists In Syria … Then Says We Need NSA Spying Because There are Terrorists In Syria
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/12/congress-creates-terrorists-syria-says-need-nsa-spying-terrorists-syria.html

"Stunning Hypocrisy

The civil war in Syria started in March 2011. And see this.

However, the U.S. has been funding the Syrian opposition since 2006 … and arming the opposition since 2007. (In reality, the U.S. and Britain considered attacking Syrians and then blaming it on the Syrian government as an excuse for regime change … 50 years ago (the U.S. just admitted that they did this to Iran) . And the U.S. has been planning regime change in Syria for 20 years straight. And see this.)

The New York Times, (and here and here) , Wall Street Journal, USA Today, CNN, McClatchy (and here), AP, Time, Reuters, B B C, the Independent, the Telegraph, Agence France-Presse, Asia Times, and the Star (and here) confirm that supporting the rebels means supporting Al Qaeda and two other terrorist groups.

Indeed, the the New York Times has reported that virtually all of the rebel fighters are Al Qaeda terrorists.

The Syrian rebels are now calling for terrorist attacks on America. And we’ve long known that most of the weapons we’re shipping to Syria are ending up in the hands of Al Qaeda. And they apparently have chemical weapons.

And yet the U.S. is stepping up its support for the Islamic extremists.

The chair of the House Intelligence Committee – Mike Rogers – voted for arming the Syrian rebels. And the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee – Diane Feinstein – has apparently quietly let arms flow to the rebels.

So are they admitting their mistake?

Heck, no! They’re using the specter of Syrian terrorists to justify mass surveillance by the NSA on innocent Americans …

And now he’s trying to use rebel Al Qaeda as an excuse for mass surveillance by the NSA.

As Juan Cole notes:

Senator Diane Feinstein and Rep. Mike Rogers took to the airwaves on Sunday to warn that Americans are less safe than two years ago and that al-Qaeda is growing and spreading and that the US is menaced by bombs that can’t be detected by metal detectors.

Call me cynical, but those two have been among the biggest detractors of the American citizen’s fourth amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure of personal effects and papers. I think their attempt to resurrect Usama Bin Laden is out of the National Security Agency internal playbook, which specifically instructs spokesmen to play up the terrorist threat when explaining why they need to know who all 310 million Americans are calling on our phones every day. [Here's what he's talking about. And here.]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/11/30/exp-sotu-intel-chairs-feinstein-rogers-westerners-fight-with-al-qaeda-jihadist-more-determined.cnn.html

Now, obviously there are violent extremists in the world and the US like all other societies is likely to fall victim to further attacks by terrorists. But if they could not inflict significant damage on us with 9/11 (and economically and in every other way except the horrible death toll, they could not), then it is a little unlikely that this kind of threat is existential.

In fact the number of terrorist attacks in the US has vastly declined since the 1970s (as has violent crime over-all), as WaPo’s chart shows:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/16/eight-facts-about-terrorism-in-the-united-states/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/04/terrorist-attacks-since-1970.png

(The chart shows each attack as a number and does not show fatalities; obviously the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11 would be prominent in that case. But the fact is that foreign terrorist attacks kill almost no one in America these days. You’re far more likely to fall in your bathtub and die than to face terrorism).

Rogers makes a big deal out of the fighting in northern Syria as a threat to the United States and says “thousands” of “Westerners” have gone to fight there. But Rogers is just obfuscating by mentioning vastly exaggerated statistics.

The number of Americans estimated by the FBI to be fighting in Syria? 24. Two dozen. That’s it.

The Syrian civil war has nothing to do with the US, and is a local struggle rather unlikely to involve hitting America (more especially since, as Rogers carefully avoids mentioning, the US is committed to arming these rebels to fight against al-Assad.)

That’s right. Mike Rogers voted to give arms to the Syrian rebels. And while he may hope they don’t go to the al-Qaeda affiliates (as happened when Ronald Reagan gave $5 billion to the Afghan Mujahidin in the 1980s) [oops], he has no guarantee that won’t happen and is willing to take the risk. If Rogers were really, really concerned about the Jabhat al-Nusra, he wouldn’t be risking upping its firepower with Americans’ tax dollars as a justification for monitoring who your 15 year old daughter calls on her cell phone.

Let us say that again. Feinstein and Rogers just came on television to scaremonger the American people with the Syrian jihadis, and both of them voted to give the Syrian rebels millions of dollars in arms.

That’s a pretty good racket. You support the jihadis abroad and then point to jihadis abroad as the reason for which you have to get into the underwear of the American people.

Then they brought up Iraq, which is another local struggle. Dick Cheney repeatedly warned that if the US left Iraq, the terrorists created by the US Occupation (he didn’t put it that way) would follow us home. But it was never very likely an allegation. You could easily get an attack in the US by a disgruntled Sunni Iraqi. But that the Sunni Arabs of Iraq are gunning for the US? No sign of it.

Indeed, Al Qaeda wasn’t even in Iraq until the U.S. invaded that country.

And U.S. policy has lead to a world-wide increase in terrorism.

Of course, mass surveillance doesn’t really have much to do with terrorism in the first place.

No wonder Americans have such a low opinion of Congress. But people like Feinstein and Rogers couldn’t care less."

ymer
12-20-2013, 06:33 AM
Once again: Everyone falsely claimed Snowden was a noble guy just working to reveal "illegal" operations against US citizens - now you even admit that wasn't his true goal. He's just a treasonous criminal.

Yea and that's off-topic, stop changing the subject.


Meanwhile: Answer my question, why are you so excited to "uncover NSA second tier partners", revealing information that has no benefit except to our enemies?

I already answered you senile loon.

x-trainer ben
12-20-2013, 07:49 AM
Yea and that's off-topic, stop changing the subject.



I already answered you senile loon.
( nutty)

Lool! Since your wise enough to see through his (debating/arguing) strategy why entertain such predictable and obvious nonsense? Just curious since he repeats the same arguing style in every thread. He denies valid observations as conspiracy nonsense and tries to make you prove your thoughts. As if opinions and discussion need proof. Why bother?

flairon
12-20-2013, 07:52 AM
The amount of information being release is amazing and very helpful in identifying exactly what sort of a sham democracy is running in the US.

Helpful in what?

What are you doing about it?

Has the revolution started yet and I just haven't heard it?

betaphaggler
12-20-2013, 08:10 AM
Breaking news at 10:00PM, spygames are intergovernmental

Breaking news at 11:00PM, spygames are performed by other governments than the West, we just don't hear it because they don't have rat scumbags like Snowden

Breaking news at 12:00am, usual posters using sources like Russian Times (lol) trying to embarrass the US and allies

khergan
12-20-2013, 08:28 AM
I still find it funny that people think Snowden's actions were "treasonous".

Isn't the REQUIREMENT to support and defend the constitution of the united states an inherent part of every civil servant or federal employee's oath of office? I seem to remember that being the entire point of being a federal employee or civil servant - to protect and defend what made this country what it is. I also clearly remember the very clearly worded part to not obey illegal orders. Let's think for a minute - if a government organization, regardless of how powerful, are directly subverting or destroying the constitution, you would have a legal obligation to make sure that those actions didn't continue, wouldn't you?

The NSA has completely destroyed any remnants of the 4th amendment that we may have still had. For that, I support Snowden's continued release of information. That agency has gone completely out of line and is apparently accountable to no one, not even the founding document of the country.

For that, they need to burn. I'm tired of this ceaseless government expansion. Our beloved country is becoming a dystopian Orwellian ****hole faster than we could have possibly feared, and to add insult to injury, we have morons cheering on the guys who are doing it to us!

flairon
12-20-2013, 08:32 AM
I still find it funny that people think Snowden's actions were "treasonous".

Isn't the REQUIREMENT to support and defend the constitution of the united states an inherent part of every civil servant or federal employee's oath of office?

I thin that's jsut for soldiers

betaphaggler
12-20-2013, 08:36 AM
I thin that's jsut for soldiers

Its for many federal employees. Regardless, its not the job of those federal employees to interpret what the Constitution says because it was designed to be so vague, that's up to the courts.

The soldier's complaint about the NSA will probably be redressed by the Supreme Court in time so imo quit bitching and do your job. Your job isn't to interpret it or legislate from another branch.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 10:38 AM
This just validates Snowden's actions. He was willing to go against a vast international surveillance state, that takes an incredible amount of courage.
Wrong. It proves his actions were pure, preplanned treason. At first he fooled people like you by claiming to be the noble insider, revealing an evil government's "illegal" actions against its own citizens. And since then, he's been revealing operations and actions that have nothing to do with US citizens.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 10:40 AM
Yea and that's off-topic, stop changing the subject.
Directly addressing the latest specific information released by Snowden, the topic of this thread... is "off-topic"? Wow, you're getting desperate to ignore the true nature of Snowden's treason.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 10:43 AM
I still find it funny that people think Snowden's actions were "treasonous".

Isn't the REQUIREMENT to support and defend the constitution of the united states an inherent part of every civil servant or federal employee's oath of office?
Please explain how the NSA sharing intelligence with counterpart agencies in other allied countries is a violation of any part of the Constitution...

LizzieTish
12-20-2013, 11:03 AM
Please explain how the NSA sharing intelligence with counterpart agencies in other allied countries is a violation of any part of the Constitution...
4th amendment means big government NSA isn't allowed to spy on Americans to begin with.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 11:11 AM
4th amendment means big government NSA isn't allowed to spy on Americans to begin with.
Which doesn't have a damn thing to do with the question I asked. This latest release says nothing about NSA spying on Americans. If you're going to quote me, have the courtesy of actually answering the question I asked:

Please explain how the NSA sharing intelligence with counterpart agencies in other allied countries is a violation of any part of the Constitution...

betaphaggler
12-20-2013, 11:14 AM
4th amendment means big government NSA isn't allowed to spy on Americans to begin with.

No lol. This is the text of the 4th:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized".

Common law under Smith v. Maryland allows such intrusions based on its level of reasonableness due to the person "expelling" his privacy to a third party (the phone company) who in turn is subjected to a lower degree of search and seizure since that data is transmitted to a 3d party. Even if the Supreme Court overturns parts of the NSA PRISM program, the NSA will still be allowed to spy on certain Americans with enhanced procedural safeguards.

ymer
12-20-2013, 11:24 AM
( nutty)

Lool! Since your wise enough to see through his (debating/arguing) strategy why entertain such predictable and obvious nonsense? Just curious since he repeats the same arguing style in every thread. He denies valid observations as conspiracy nonsense and tries to make you prove your thoughts. As if opinions and discussion need proof. Why bother?

Because idiots think that he's always right, we had one thread about nutsy's constant bs and some imbeciles said that "I think he's a great poster because he always wins the argument even if he's wrong". So this is my humble attempt to enlighten such imbecility.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 11:37 AM
So this is my humble attempt to enlighten such imbecility.
By using insults, personal attacks, and a non-stop attempt to hide the fact that Snowden has effectively admitted his preplanned Treason, and isn't the noble insider he originally pretended to be?

You haven't been able to address anything I've posted here, except to claim it's "off-topic" to talk about Snowden in a thread about Snowden.

LizzieTish
12-20-2013, 11:39 AM
Please explain how the NSA sharing intelligence with counterpart agencies in other allied countries is a violation of any part of the Constitution...
There's nothing in the Constitution that even authorizes the very existence of the NSA, therefore everything they do is automatically illegal across the board because they are an illegitimate creation that simply should not exist on U.S. soil period.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 11:57 AM
There's nothing in the Constitution that even authorizes the very existence of the NSA, therefore everything they do is automatically illegal across the board because they are an illegitimate creation that simply should not exist on U.S. soil period.
Next time, don't even bother quoting my post if your response will be on a completely different topic.

Once again, this thread has NOTHING to do with operations on US soil and/or against US citizens. Thus revealing the Treason in Snowden's intentional actions.

But you instead try to distract and deflect, claiming the Constitution doesn't allow foreign intelligence collection? Wow.

ymer
12-20-2013, 12:05 PM
By using insults, personal attacks, and a non-stop attempt to hide the fact that Snowden has effectively admitted his preplanned Treason, and isn't the noble insider he originally pretended to be?

You haven't been able to address anything I've posted here, except to claim it's "off-topic" to talk about Snowden in a thread about Snowden.





What? please take your meds. You consider it treason, I don't, I consider it a service to the human race. That's your opinion and that's my opinion. Again, take your meds.

Now do you mind discussing the topic on hand? that NSA has allies on the worldwide spying or are you going to keep talking about your opinion on how you think Snowden is a traitor.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 12:16 PM
Now do you mind discussing the topic on hand? that NSA has allies on the worldwide spying or are you going to keep talking about your opinion on how you think Snowden is a traitor.
What is there to discuss? Of course allies work with each other and share information. I'm baffled that anyone considers this to be a shocking, illegal revelation of prohibited activity - when it's none of those things.

Meanwhile, the specific list provided by Snowden's treason only serves to directly aid our enemies - they now have a better idea which countries to avoid operating in when plotting against us, and in which countries they're more likely to be successful.

ymer
12-20-2013, 12:20 PM
What is there to discuss? Of course allies work with each other and share information. I'm baffled that anyone considers this to be a shocking, illegal revelation of prohibited activity - when it's none of those things.

Meanwhile, the specific list provided by Snowden's treason only serves to directly aid our enemies - they now have a better idea which countries to avoid operating in when plotting against us, and in which countries they're more likely to be successful.

So you have nothing to discuss about the OP, you finally admitted it, was that so hard? You can continue with your rambling about how much you hate snowden, however I would suggest you to open a thread for that topic.

Senility is a heck of a condition.

Stizzel
12-20-2013, 12:23 PM
ITT: propaganda agents who work for the tyrant nations of Russia, Iran, and Syria talking **** about the US.

except for nutsy of course

Dude stop blowing our cover it's getting really annoying. You'll learn to enjoy borscht I promise. It's not that bad.

Stizzel
12-20-2013, 12:25 PM
I still find it funny that people think Snowden's actions were "treasonous".

Isn't the REQUIREMENT to support and defend the constitution of the united states an inherent part of every civil servant or federal employee's oath of office? I seem to remember that being the entire point of being a federal employee or civil servant - to protect and defend what made this country what it is. I also clearly remember the very clearly worded part to not obey illegal orders. Let's think for a minute - if a government organization, regardless of how powerful, are directly subverting or destroying the constitution, you would have a legal obligation to make sure that those actions didn't continue, wouldn't you?

The NSA has completely destroyed any remnants of the 4th amendment that we may have still had. For that, I support Snowden's continued release of information. That agency has gone completely out of line and is apparently accountable to no one, not even the founding document of the country.

For that, they need to burn. I'm tired of this ceaseless government expansion. Our beloved country is becoming a dystopian Orwellian ****hole faster than we could have possibly feared, and to add insult to injury, we have morons cheering on the guys who are doing it to us!

When the military blows up brown people it's okay because it's just 'collateral damage'. But if exposing the lies and fraud of the federal government puts our beautiful white soldiers in danger all of a sudden it's the unholy crime of treason.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 12:26 PM
So you have nothing to discuss about the OP, you finally admitted it, was that so hard? You can continue with your rambling about how much you hate snowden, however I would suggest you to open a thread for that topic.

Senility is a heck of a condition.

Personal insults are all you can muster - because you refuse to admit that articles like the OP only serve to prove Snowden committed intentional Treason, and wasn't simply out to reveal "illegal" actions against US citizens. THAT is a huge issue uncovered by the thread - but you for some reason want to silence any remarks about it.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 12:27 PM
When the military blows up brown people it's okay because it's just 'collateral damage'. But if exposing the lies and fraud of the federal government puts our beautiful white soldiers in danger all of a sudden it's the unholy crime of treason.
Pathetic racist bullsh*t as usual.

Nobody said a damn thing about killing, combat, or skin color you disgusting racist troll.

Stizzel
12-20-2013, 12:29 PM
Pathetic racist bullsh*t as usual.

Nobody said a damn thing about killing, combat, or skin color you disgusting racist troll.

Nutsy, what are you talking about? I didn't say anything about racial motivation. I'm sure it's just an amazing coincidence.

VTheKing
12-20-2013, 12:30 PM
Breaking news at 10:00PM, spygames are intergovernmental

Breaking news at 11:00PM, spygames are performed by other governments than the West, we just don't hear it because they don't have rat scumbags like Snowden

Breaking news at 12:00am, usual posters using sources like Russian Times (lol) trying to embarrass the US and allies

It's more like that guys like Snowden sleep with the fishes before they make their move.

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 12:33 PM
Nutsy, what are you talking about? I didn't say anything about racial motivation. I'm sure it's just an amazing coincidence.
It's easy to claim an amazing coincidence when you make up a stream of bullish*t claims that don't have any connection to reality.

Racist trolls gonna racist troll.

ymer
12-20-2013, 12:33 PM
Personal insults are all you can muster - because you refuse to admit that articles like the OP only serve to prove Snowden committed intentional Treason, and wasn't simply out to reveal "illegal" actions against US citizens. THAT is a huge issue uncovered by the thread - but you for some reason want to silence any remarks about it.


So you have nothing to discuss about the OP, you finally admitted it, was that so hard? You can continue with your rambling about how much you hate snowden, however I would suggest you to open a thread for that topic.

Senility is a heck of a condition.

Sure buddy, I'm trying to silence any remarks about it... I'm conspiring against your great revelations about Snowden.

Everything is a Conspiracy for you. CTads gonna CT.

LizzieTish
12-20-2013, 01:06 PM
Sure buddy, I'm trying to silence any remarks about it... I'm conspiring against your great revelations about Snowden.

Everything is a Conspiracy for you. CTads gonna CT.
Notice nutsy keeps invoking the claim of "aiding our enemies". Watch as that excuse is permanently discredited, and rendered useless for all his subsequent arguments (see post 27 in full)
Congress Backs Terrorists In Syria … Then Says We Need NSA Spying Because There are Terrorists In Syria

The chair of the House Intelligence Committee – Mike Rogers – voted for arming the Syrian rebels. And the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee – Diane Feinstein – has apparently quietly let arms flow to the rebels.

So are they admitting their mistake?

Heck, no! They’re using the specter of Syrian terrorists to justify mass surveillance by the NSA on innocent Americans …

And now he’s trying to use rebel Al Qaeda as an excuse for mass surveillance by the NSA.

As Juan Cole notes:

Senator Diane Feinstein and Rep. Mike Rogers took to the airwaves on Sunday to warn that Americans are less safe than two years ago and that al-Qaeda is growing and spreading and that the US is menaced by bombs that can’t be detected by metal detectors.
Gee, nutsy sounds an awful lot like Diane Feinstein doesn't he?:

Meanwhile, the specific list provided by Snowden's treason only serves to directly aid our enemies - they now have a better idea which countries to avoid operating in when plotting against us, and in which countries they're more likely to be successful.


aid our enemies
Congress Backs Terrorists In Syria … Then Says We Need NSA Spying Because There are Terrorists In Syria

aid our enemies
Congress Backs Terrorists In Syria … Then Says We Need NSA Spying Because There are Terrorists In Syria

aid our enemies
Congress Backs Terrorists In Syria … Then Says We Need NSA Spying Because There are Terrorists In Syria

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 01:10 PM
Sure buddy, I'm trying to silence any remarks about it... I'm conspiring against your great revelations about Snowden.

Everything is a Conspiracy for you. CTads gonna CT.
I didn't say anything about a "conspiracy". Damn you guys go crazy when you can't respond to or refute simple observations.


Syria Syria Syria Syria
I didn't say anything about Syria. And it's rather silly you want to pretend the only enemies of the US are in Syria :confused:

teflonwig
12-20-2013, 01:37 PM
Off topic, but it's right wingers like Nutsy who embarrass the GOP. People with his level of intelligence and ideology are a disgrace to the GOP. Wouldn't mind if he never posted here again, anyone who thinks the NSA is stopping terrorists clearly doesn't have all their chromosomes. Enjoy your police state Nutsy, Clearly Snowden belongs in Prison for the rest of his life!!! Just like Manning!!! Kunts like you destroy conservatism and it's disgusting. Anything to appear like you are a "Hero" by defending MERICA'S treacherous acts againat human rights.

CLIFFS: nutsy shouldn't be allowed to make another post until an Pics of an IQ test signifying he has an IQ above 80

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 01:45 PM
Rather than have a discussion, just demand censorship for anyone who doesn't agree with you.... Always love responses from people who pretend to support Freedom.

teflonwig
12-20-2013, 01:54 PM
Rather than have a discussion, just demand censorship for anyone who doesn't agree with you.... Always love responses from people who pretend to support Freedom.

Oh lord, the irony in this post is borderline comical

ymer
12-20-2013, 02:11 PM
Oh lord, the irony in this post is borderline comical

It's funny because he's serious and he thinks he is right.

fuking lol.

teflonwig
12-20-2013, 02:16 PM
"FREEDOM" lawling so hard. Brb Freedom = One nation watching over 300 million + of it's own citizens, Jailing Whisteblowers, Spying on "Allies" starting unconstitutional wars should I go on Nutsy? Maybe one day a coherent post will be made by you, I'm not holding my breath but it is a goal of mine.
#GetNutsyHelp2014

nutsy54
12-20-2013, 02:24 PM
"FREEDOM" lawling so hard. Brb Freedom = One nation watching over 300 million + of it's own citizens, Jailing Whisteblowers, Spying on "Allies" starting unconstitutional wars should I go on Nutsy? Maybe one day a coherent post will be made by you, I'm not holding my breath but it is a goal of mine.
#GetNutsyHelp2014
What does any of that have to do with the OP topic that (gasp!) allied countries share information with each other?

Funny that you claim I'm a sub-80 IQ, but you haven't been able to address or refute a single thing I've said - so instead you call for censorship and banning...

PS: It's funny you attack my intelligence, then you claim that a Congressionally authorized War is "Unconstitutional". Let's see how many more times you can change the subject.

teflonwig
12-20-2013, 02:27 PM
What does any of that have to do with the OP topic that (gasp!) allied countries share information with each other?

Funny that you claim I'm a sub-80 IQ, but you haven't been able to address or refute a single thing I've said - so instead you call for censorship and banning...

PS: It's funny you attack my intelligence, then you claim that a Congressionally authorized War is "Unconstitutional". Let's see how many more times you can change the subject.

It's impossible to argue with an idiot. It appears you are far too unintelligent to even attack. Enjoy your FREEDOM! MERICA MERICA MERICA!!!

EDIT: Lawl at your neg. I'll continue to embarass your silly claims all day old man. Appearing tough on a forum must be the last thing you have going for your poverty life. #GetNutsyHelp2014

ymer
12-20-2013, 02:49 PM
EDIT: Lawl at your neg.

Nutsy negging like a kid throwing a tantrum becuase he's made a fool out of himself, that's a shocker!

fuking lol @ this ridiculous old man hugging uncle sam's nuts, one day his master will turn his back on him and he will see the grim reality.

'Mericuh!!!!!!!!!

XtremeOCD
12-20-2013, 02:50 PM
It's impossible to argue with an idiot. It appears you are far too unintelligent to even attack. Enjoy your FREEDOM! MERICA MERICA MERICA!!!

EDIT: Lawl at your neg. I'll continue to embarass your silly claims all day old man. Appearing tough on a forum must be the last thing you have going for your poverty life. #GetNutsyHelp2014

You do know that reporting someone doesn't send the report to the member themselves, but rather to mods right? What you put in your report line I think you intended on sending in what we call a private message.

teflonwig
12-20-2013, 02:52 PM
Nutsy negging like a kid throwing a tantrum becuase he's made a fool out of himself, that's a shocker!

fuking lol @ this ridiculous old man hugging uncle sam's nuts, one day his master will turn his back on him and he will see the grim reality.

'Mericuh!!!!!!!!!


Uncle Sam would have no issues disposing of Nusty yet he is willing to look like a bafoon in the name of "Freedom" Lawl at Nutsy, potentially the most irrational poster on the MISC that says a lot. BUT BRB IF WE DON'T WATCH THE WORLD WHO WILL KNOW WHAT THE TURROISTS ARE DOING?! Idiotic logic of peace

teflonwig
12-20-2013, 02:53 PM
You do know that reporting someone doesn't send the report to the member themselves, but rather to mods right? What you put in your report line I think you intended on sending in what we call a private message.

Oops

teflonwig
12-21-2013, 07:23 AM
Daily bump so everyone can realize Nutsy's insanity. #GetNutsyHelp2014

LukeLissen
12-21-2013, 08:35 AM
Congress Backs Terrorists In Syria … Then Says We Need NSA Spying Because There are Terrorists In Syria


Congress did not back terrorists in Syria you lying anti-American propaganda agent.

...

There are multiple groups fighting in Syria - youve got the terrorist government of Assad, then the terrorist groups among the opposition, and then the non-terrorist rebels. *SOME* in Congress supported the vetted non terrorist opposition, and in doing so going AGAINST the terrorist in the Assad gov and the terrorists in the opposition. Lizzietish (and ymer, and essen, and etc etc) is at this forum for no other purpose than posting demoralization propaganda against Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoralization_(warfare)

PSUbrah
12-21-2013, 08:40 AM
Congress did not back terrorists in Syria you lying anti-American propaganda agent.
That is correct the US backed the FSA coalition. She was thinking of the Islamic Liberation Front composed of Ahrar al-Sham, Liwa al-Haqq, Suqour al-Sham, Jaysh al-Islam, Ansar al-Sham, Liwa al-Tawhid, and the Kurdish Islamic Front all of whom are backed by the Saudis, Qataris and Kuwaitis, all of whom are coincidentally not labeled terrorist groups and all of whom are Salafist jihadists.

Need I remind you the US and Israel owns and controls the aforementioned nations. The FSA is falling a part and hundred if not thousands are moving toward the Islamic Liberation Front. The FSA is losing support day by day.

flairon
12-21-2013, 08:53 AM
Its for many federal employees. Regardless, its not the job of those federal employees to interpret what the Constitution says because it was designed to be so vague, that's up to the courts.

The soldier's complaint about the NSA will probably be redressed by the Supreme Court in time so imo quit bitching and do your job. Your job isn't to interpret it or legislate from another branch.

No..that's not quite how it works.

teflonwig
12-21-2013, 09:16 AM
LET FREEDOM REIGN FROM THE NSA!!! WE MUST STOP AIDING THE ENEMY!!! #GetNutsyHelp2014

CommonPheasant
12-21-2013, 09:17 AM
I read somewhere that the NSA is the biggest employer of PhD mathematicians in the world. Who knows what they're able to do that we haven't found out about yet.

LizzieTish
12-21-2013, 11:51 AM
Congress did not back terrorists in Syria you lying anti-American propaganda agent.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/05/27/McCain_Syria.jpg

John McCain meets with Al Qaeda rebels in Syria
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=154330751&pagenumber=

More "defense" spending: US-Backed terrorists mass murder unarmed civilians in Syria
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=149356423&pagenumber=

US-British Al Qaeda Airlift: 3,000 Tons of Weapons Fuel Syria's Destruction
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=152414263&pagenumber=

NATO employs Al-Qaeda while the U.S. pretends Al-Qaeda is an external threat
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147957773&pagenumber=

U.S. Providing Military Support to Syrian Rebels
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=154742423&pagenumber=

We're broke, but we can afford to fund Al-Qaeda & illegal wars
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=150328483&pagenumber=

Fighting Terrorism by Arming Terrorists
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=154847913&pagenumber=

Why does Zionist John McCain want to arm FSA?
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=154456031&pagenumber=

US Senator John McCain visits Syrian rebels
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=154313831&pagenumber=

Democracy-loving NATO clears way for Al-Qaeda to enter Libya.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=140058943&pagenumber=

U.S. government is now allowing Americans to donate money to al-Qaeda in Syria
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147952723&pagenumber=

Unprovoked Attack on Syria: US-backed Israel Commits Egregious International Crime
The US feigns disassociation with Hitlerian act of Israeli aggression - as was planned since 2007.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/05/unprovoked-attack-on-syria-us-backed.html

Eisenhower warned Americans of the rising power of the military industrial complex--do you think he was talking out of his ass or was "anti-American"?

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

teflonwig
12-21-2013, 11:59 AM
Unprovoked Attack on Syria: US-backed Israel Commits Egregious International Crime
The US feigns disassociation with Hitlerian act of Israeli aggression - as was planned since 2007.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/05/unprovoked-attack-on-syria-us-backed.html

Eisenhower warned Americans of the rising power of the military industrial complex--do you think he was talking out of his ass or was "anti-American"?

Must be a anti american propaganda President who didn't stand for TRUE FREEDOM!!! Not srs. Some people are just brain dead. Let the trolls troll. #GetNutsyHelp2014

LizzieTish
12-21-2013, 12:13 PM
Must be a anti american propaganda President who didn't stand for TRUE FREEDOM!!! Not srs. Some people are just brain dead. Let the trolls troll. #GetNutsyHelp2014
Here's more:
The U.S Al-Qaeda Alliance in Syria & the Fraud of the War on Terror
-KgV_ELyi4s

x-trainer ben
12-21-2013, 12:24 PM
Because idiots think that he's always right, we had one thread about nutsy's constant bs and some imbeciles said that "I think he's a great poster because he always wins the argument even if he's wrong". So this is my humble attempt to enlighten such imbecility.

Ok, but your avoiding the op's point, my point, the point of a pencil, and your constant name calling is my actual point. :)And if your going to quote my point, have an actual point; never mind you have not addressed my point and claimed i am off topic in my point.

Besides this thread has NOTHING to do with my point your point or op's point; instead it is a deflection since you fail to answer my point directly.

You get my point? :)

teflonwig
12-21-2013, 01:16 PM
Nutsy where art thou? Has the troll becknoned back yo his home? No more anti american propaganda claims today? Keep us all updated on your return #GetNutsyHelp2014

teflonwig
12-21-2013, 01:17 PM
Here's more:
The U.S Al-Qaeda Alliance in Syria & the Fraud of the War on Terror
-KgV_ELyi4s

Mirin vid. Thanks for the show brah

nutsy54
12-21-2013, 03:22 PM
Nutsy where art thou? Has the troll becknoned back yo his home? No more anti american propaganda claims today? Keep us all updated on your return #GetNutsyHelp2014
Why would I respond when all you post is babbling insults and arguing with yourself while ignoring everything I've posted?

You seem to have an unhealthy fixation on needing me to respond to everything you post, even when it's just an irrational rant. And now we have some repeating Syria chorus from Lizzie - which also doesn't have anything to do with the discussions in this thread.

Post something relevant and factual, and you'll probably get a response.


Derp: I'm not anywhere on the site for three hours, but somehow the world revolves around you... so my lack of response to your babbling bullsh*t trolling must be all about this thread. Go away you delusional troll.

teflonwig
12-21-2013, 04:53 PM
Why would I respond when all you post is babbling insults and arguing with yourself while ignoring everything I've posted?

You seem to have an unhealthy fixation on needing me to respond to everything you post, even when it's just an irrational rant. And now we have same repeating Syria chorus from Lizzie - which also doesn't have anything to do with the discussions in this thread.

Post something relevant and factual, and you'll probably get a response.


Derp: I'm not anywhere on the site for three hours, but somehow the world revolves around you... so my lack of response to your babbling bullsh*t trolling must be all about this thread. Go away you delusional troll.


NEGGED! You disingenuous troll. The NSA knows everything you just said and they're using the information against you. FREEEDOM!!!! LOOK OUT FOR UNCLE SAM, #GetNutsyHelp2014

ZenBowman
12-21-2013, 05:07 PM
Wrong. It proves his actions were pure, preplanned treason. At first he fooled people like you by claiming to be the noble insider, revealing an evil government's "illegal" actions against its own citizens. And since then, he's been revealing operations and actions that have nothing to do with US citizens.

If it is immoral, it doesn't matter if the victims of spying are US citizens or not. Why should non-Americans be subject to being spied on any more than Americans? Either you believe that the rights are universal or they don't exist. If the former, then nonAmericans have the same rights as Americans. If the latter, then you should not complain the next time other rights are violated (such as the 2nd amendment).

nutsy54
12-21-2013, 05:14 PM
If it is immoral, it doesn't matter if the victims of spying are US citizens or not.
So now you're starting a completely different discussion: Since when is spying "immoral"?

The issue was Snowden and his supporters hiding behind the false claim that he was a noble whistleblower revealing "illegal" actions by NSA against US citizens - a claim which has since been destroyed with his release of documents which have nothing to do with those claimed "illegal" actions. Nobody has ever mentioned "immoral" as a basis for international intelligence collection.


Why should non-Americans be subject to being spied on any more than Americans?
I have no idea what you're talking about, since no such claims have ever been made here. Unless you're asking why US intelligence collection should be focused on non-US citizens (which it is).


Either you believe that the rights are universal or they don't exist. If the former, then nonAmericans have the same rights as Americans. If the latter, then you should not complain the next time other rights are violated (such as the 2nd amendment).
Seriously, what are you talking about? You're on a brand new topic, and disagreeing with me on positions I've never stated on a topic that's never been discussed? Now you're concerned with how much spying is done by other countries, and who they're spying on? (Did you even read the OP, because this post has nothing to do with it or my post you quoted).


If you don't want to answer my post, please don't quote me before making your own statements - and if you want to start a completely new discussion, then state your own position and ask others about theirs'.

tbonez3858
12-21-2013, 05:28 PM
After reading Ghost wars which explains the CIA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia involvement in the Russian/Afghanistan war I realized the US government is an entity that acts on its own, in its own best interest and couldnt care less what the citizens want....


If the US government doesn't answer to the American people anymore (in direct object to the Constitution) then why isn't Snowden a hero for outing their dirty deeds the US citizens don't agree with...Anyone that outs this government for "crimes" against the citizens should be national heros. The REAL tragedy isn't that we all aren't labeling him a traitor it's that we haven't marched on Washington from what he exposed...Disgraceful.

essenn
12-21-2013, 06:57 PM
After reading Ghost wars which explains the CIA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia involvement in the Russian/Afghanistan war I realized the US government is an entity that acts on its own, in its own best interest and couldnt care less what the citizens want....


If the US government doesn't answer to the American people anymore (in direct object to the Constitution) then why isn't Snowden a hero for outing their dirty deeds the US citizens don't agree with...Anyone that outs this government for "crimes" against the citizens should be national heros. The REAL tragedy isn't that we all aren't labeling him a traitor it's that we haven't marched on Washington from what he exposed...Disgraceful.

EXACTLY THIS. Snowden is a hero for exposing what the (HIJACKED) government in the US is doing. Anyone that calls him a traitor is a traitor himself for supporting a criminal, hijacked government that is serving the interests of corporations, banks and foreign states like Israel.

essenn
12-21-2013, 07:13 PM
You guys gonna just sit there and lap up the bullcrap drooling out of your puppet presidents mouth? Remember, it all comes down to you taking action and making that difference. ;)



http://rt.com/usa/obama-nsa-reform-presser-576

Obama defends NSA programs during rare White House press conference


United States President Barack defended the surveillance tactics used by the National Security Agency during a rare press conference from the White House on Friday in which he denied allegations that the NSA has abused those programs.

Earlier this week an independent review panel selected by the president to audit the NSA’s operations in the midst of a far-reaching surveillance scandal supplied the White House with a report containing 46 recommendations for the intelligence agency.

“Over the next several weeks I’m going to assess, based on conversations not just with the intelligence community but others in government and outside of government, how we might apply and incorporate their recommendations,” Pres. Obama said Friday afternoon during his last scheduled press conference of 2013.

“I think they did an excellent job,” he said of the five-person Review Group.

The president will wait until January to decide what suggestions, if any, the NSA should heed, however, but during his exchange with journalists on Friday he again dismissed accusations that the spy agency has unlawfully conducted surveillance operations.

Compelling telecommunication companies daily for the phone data pertaining to millions of Americans is not on par with “domestic surveillance,” the president said, instead insisting that “having that data in one place and retained for a certain period of time” is a crucial counterterrorism tool. Among the recommendations made in the Review Group’s 208-page report are relying on the telecoms or another third-party to hold into that data, which the president said on Friday “is possible.”

“I think it's important to note that in all the reviews of this program that have been done, in fact, there have not been actual instances where it's been alleged that the NSA in some ways acted inappropriately in the use of this data,” Obama continued. “But what is also clear is from the public debate, people are concerned about the prospect, the possibility of abuse.”

On the contrary, though, a federal judge in Washington, DC wrote earlier this week that the dragnet collection of telephony metadata is likely unconstitutional and that the plaintiffs in a lawsuit filed against the Obama administration can have an injunction protecting themselves from having their own phone records collected by the NSA. And despite the president’s claim, in another instance the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court — the body that approves these programs — accused the NSA of having NSA "frequently and systematically violated" its own oversight requirements,

Should the White House agree to reform that and other practices, the president said the intelligence community would be without a tool that’s been hailed by proponents of the agency’s operations as critical for national security.

“The question we're going to have to ask is can we accomplish the same goals that this program is intended to accomplish in ways that give the public more confidence that in fact the NSA is doing what it's supposed to be doing,” Obama said. “I have confidence in the fact that the NSA is not engaging in domestic surveillance or snooping around, but I also recognize that as technologies change and people can start running algorithms and programs that map out all the information that we're downloading on a daily basis into our telephones and our computers that we may have to refine this further to give people more confidence. And I'm going to be working very hard on doing that.”

Fox reporter Ed Henry was quick to follow up the president’s remark by reminding the commander-in-chief that just six months earlier he said his administration struck “the right balance” between security and privacy concerns with regards to the NSA’s operations.

"You can complain about Big Brother and how this is a potential program run amok, but when you actually look at the details, then I think we've struck the right balance,” Henry quoted from a statement made by the president on June 7 — two days after the media began to report on the NSA’s metadata collection program due to leaked documents disclosed by former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

“That was only six months ago,” Henry said. “Now, there's judges are saying no; your own panel is saying no; even you're saying no, we haven't really struck the right balance, perhaps, that changes have to be made.”

“My question is, were you wrong then because you were not fully read in, not just on these programs, but on other programs, outside of the ones you just talked about, where we were potentially listening in on the German leaders, the Brazilian leaders and others, that suggest there were abuses, number one?” he asked. “On surveillance, you looked the American people in the eye six months ago and said, we've got the right balance. And six months later, you're saying, maybe not.”

“What is absolutely clear to me,” the president responded, “is that given the public debate that's taken place and the disclosures that have taken place over the last several months that this is only going to work if the American people have confidence and trust.”

That confidence could come through way of reform, the president suggested, which some say would not have been possible without Snowden sharing those files with the media.

“Obama says there was a better way to have conducted NSA debate; which is why he never initiated such a debate or revealed spying programs,” journalist Murtaza Hussain tweeted on Friday.

“Not much evidence he/others would have done so were it not for leaks,” Washington Post reporter Greg Miller added on the topic.

And as for that debate, one of the members of the president’s review board told NBC News this week that the panel discovered zero instances in which the NSA’s metadata collection program stopped an attempted act of terrorism.

Meanwhile, Obama shrugged off a question during Friday’s presser in which he was asked if he’d consider providing amnesty to Snowden, as others have recently suggested.

“The fact of the matter is that the United States, for all our warts, is a country that abides by rule of law, that cares deeply about privacy, that cares about civil liberties, that cares about our Constitution,” the president said. "So I think that, as important and as necessary as this debate has been, it is also important to keep in mind that this has done unnecessary damage to US intelligence capabilities and US diplomacy. But I will leave it up to the courts and the attorney general to weigh in publicly on the specifics of Mr. Snowden's case.”


"This is only going to work if the American people have confidence and trust"... ROFL... confidence and trust in the puppet government that has been acting for it's own (and other entities) interests for decades and leaving the American people struggling in the dirt?

Yep, give them the trust and confidence the establishment deserves.

LukeLissen
12-21-2013, 07:35 PM
If it is immoral, it doesn't matter if the victims of spying are US citizens or not. Why should non-Americans be subject to being spied on any more than Americans? Either you believe that the rights are universal or they don't exist. If the former, then nonAmericans have the same rights as Americans. If the latter, then you should not complain the next time other rights are violated (such as the 2nd amendment).

Oh yeah its a good thing your well-stated hero in Vladimir Putin is against spying, and that your beloved country Russia would never do such a thing, correct?

LukeLissen
12-21-2013, 07:40 PM
You guys gonna just sit there and lap up the bullcrap drooling out of your puppet presidents mouth? Remember, it all comes down to you taking action and making that difference. ;)


The next revolution is happening in your lovely country of Iran. I will enjoy seeing Iranian wives, sisters, and daughters realizing their hatred for their country and its sorry sorry leading men and getting them some American cock instead.

essenn
12-21-2013, 08:29 PM
http://rt.com/usa/nsa-program-not-stop-terrorism-578/

White House panel: Little to no indication mass NSA surveillance thwarts terrorism

At least one member of the White house panel charged with reviewing the NSA policies unveiled by Edward Snowden admitted he was surprised to learn that there is no evidence the massive collection of phone records has stopped any terrorist attacks.

Geoffrey Stone, a University of Chicago law professor, told NBC he was “absolutely” shocked when the review panel’s findings turned up little to no indication that terrorist activity had been identified by the controversial National Security Agency practiced.

“It was, ‘Huh, hello? What are we doing here?’” he said. “The results were very thin.”

The NSA program was one of the first Snowden leaks to be made public in The Guardian and The Washington Post earlier this year. It was revealed that the agency does not listen in on telephone conversations in the US, but does compel major telecommunication companies like Verizon and AT&T to turn over the records – including the time and length of the call as well as the numbers dialed - belonging to millions of Americans.

Stone was among the five members of the White House review panel who were handpicked by the Obama administration to consider if major changes should be enacted to the NSA programs. The group began work on August 27 and has since met with executives from Google and Facebook, as well as lawyers from the American Civil Liberties Union and even the chief judge of the FISA court.

The panel recommended this week that the massive collection of phone records be stopped immediately to protect Americans’ privacy. They issued this recommendation upon finding that it was “not essential in preventing attacks.”

That assertion blatantly contradicts statements made by President Obama and intelligence leaders for over six months.

“Lives have been saved,” Obama told reporters when the Snowden leak was first reported. “We know of at least 50 threats that have been averted because of this information.”

Yet Stone spared no sympathy for Snowden, saying that the former NSA contractor was wrong to release so much information regarding national security.

“My empathetic view is that a person who has access to classified information – the revelation of which could damage national security – should never take it upon himself to reveal that information,” he said.

Admitting he was using a “somewhat inflammatory” example, Stone compared Snowden’s actions to a crazed gun control advocate.

“Suppose someone decides we need gun control and they go out and kill 15 kids and then a state enacts gun control?” he said, decrying the whistleblower for putting the nation “at risk.”

This week’s recommendation quietly noted that the phone collection program, which uses Section 215 of the Patriot Act as legal justification, has “only made a modest contribution to the nation’s security.” It went on to note that “there has been no instance in which NSA could say with confidence that the outcome [of a terror investigation would have been any different” without section 215, as quoted by NBC.

It also proposed applying oversight to the US’ surveillance on targets outside the country, and increasing internal security in an attempt to stop future leaks. These points came as somewhat of a surprise to some pundits, who dismissed the White House panel as a political ploy that would have no real impact on the security vs. privacy discussion.

“That was stunning. That was the ballgame,” one congressional intelligence official told NBC. “It flies in the face of everything they have tossed at us.”

The President is expected to address the recommendation, and possibly enact some of the proposed changes, sometime in January.

“The message to the NSA is now coming from every branch of government and from every corner of our nation: You have gone too far. The bulk collection of Americans’ data by the US government must end,” Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters Friday. “This momentous report from the President’s closest advisers is a vindication of the efforts of a bipartisan group of legislators that has been working for years to protect Americans’ privacy by reining in these intelligence authorities.”


What a surprise the spying and surveillance of the US people hasn't produced a single result... wake up Americans, your government has it's claws in anything and everything (including YOU).

Take action, reclaim your sovereignty.



The next revolution is happening in your lovely country of Iran. I will enjoy seeing Iranian wives, sisters, and daughters realizing their hatred for their country and its sorry sorry leading men and getting them some American cock instead.

Weak. Try again, propagandist, agenda pushing shill.

teflonwig
12-21-2013, 08:48 PM
Will bumo this thread at least once a week for the next year. Please dont delete thread Op. Nutsy must be constantly reminded he is the inferior idiot

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12-21-2013, 08:52 PM
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Stizzel
12-22-2013, 07:11 PM
Thank you to Snowden all the other whistleblowing heroes that have brought this sort of thing to public knowledge. The current government names you criminals but your names will live on in the eternity of history for your noble sacrifice.

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nutsy54
12-22-2013, 07:27 PM
Thank you to Snowden all the other whistleblowing heroes that have brought this sort of thing to public knowledge.
How is it "whistleblowing" to identify which allies share intelligence with each other? What's illegal about that? (The intel sharing, not the treasonous publication of that information).

teflonwig
12-22-2013, 07:31 PM
How is it "whistleblowing" to identify which allies share intelligence with each other? What's illegal about that?

Jesus Christ, do you even constitution? Are you this bad of a troll or are you literally dumb as a rock? I'm legitimatly confused as to which one you represent. #GetNutsyHelp2014

LukeLissen
12-22-2013, 08:37 PM
teflonwig, do YOU even constitution?

We are having a similar discussion in another thread. What is 'consitutional' per the 4th amendment is up to the Supreme Court. If they had ruled the NSA wiretapping program a 'reasonable' search, then it would be constitutional. Its as simple as that. The only thing that makes it 'unconstitutional' is that the current supreme court has ruled it so.

In other words, the system that you are flapping your fingers so stupidly against, is the very system that is making the CORRECT decision upon how you suggest it should be.

nutsy54
12-22-2013, 08:42 PM
teflonwig, do YOU even constitution?

We are having a similar discussion in another thread. What is 'consitutional' per the 4th amendment is up to the Supreme Court. If they had ruled the NSA wiretapping program a 'reasonable' search, then it would be constitutional. Its as simple as that. The only thing that makes it 'unconstitutional' is that the current supreme court has ruled it so.

In other words, the system that you are flapping your fingers so stupidly against, is the very system that is making the CORRECT decision upon how you suggest it should be.
Even beyond that - this thread has nothing to do with "spying" against US citizens or the 4th Amendment. It's about Snowden revealing exactly which intelligence agencies among our allies work with each other. And nobody here has been able to explain how foreign intelligence collection (or sharing that information with our allies) is illegal or Unconstitutional.

LukeLissen
12-22-2013, 08:49 PM
Even beyond that - this thread has nothing to do with "spying" against US citizens or the 4th Amendment. It's about Snowden revealing exactly which intelligence agencies among our allies work with each other. And nobody here has been able to explain how foreign intelligence collection (or sharing that information with our allies) is illegal or Unconstitutional.

yep; I agree. What he has done is up there with the Rosenbergs in my book.

ChristopherNV
12-22-2013, 08:51 PM
Cliffs: Allies working together and sharing information. CTards get wet over the RT spin.

This is new and exciting.

Stizzel
12-23-2013, 10:48 AM
teflonwig, do YOU even constitution?

We are having a similar discussion in another thread. What is 'consitutional' per the 4th amendment is up to the Supreme Court. If they had ruled the NSA wiretapping program a 'reasonable' search, then it would be constitutional. Its as simple as that. The only thing that makes it 'unconstitutional' is that the current supreme court has ruled it so.

In other words, the system that you are flapping your fingers so stupidly against, is the very system that is making the CORRECT decision upon how you suggest it should be.


Even beyond that - this thread has nothing to do with "spying" against US citizens or the 4th Amendment. It's about Snowden revealing exactly which intelligence agencies among our allies work with each other. And nobody here has been able to explain how foreign intelligence collection (or sharing that information with our allies) is illegal or Unconstitutional.

There you go Americans. It's perfectly okay for your government to rape and pillage as long as 12 philosopher kings known as the supreme court rule that it's constitutional. This message brought to you by your resident sophists.

Obedience is freedom.

teflonwig
12-23-2013, 10:53 AM
There you go Americans. It's perfectly okay for your government to rape and pillage as long as 12 philosopher kings known as the supreme court rule that it's constitutional. This message brought to you by your resident sophists.

Obedience is freedom.

But wait! The Supreme court says it's okay!!!! So youre wrong! Not srs mirin m8. Nutsy and his band of "FREEDOM" fighters are near brain dead IQ levels. No sense in arguing with someone whose idea of a traitor is the one who exposes traitors. Snowden is a whistleblower not traitor, Idiots. As for your idea of sharing "intelligence" between nations complete lawl. Enjoy your corrupt nation LAND OF THE FREE!!!!! #GetNutsyHelp2014 #GetNutsyHelp2014

nutsy54
12-23-2013, 10:26 PM
There you go Americans. It's perfectly okay for your government to rape and pillage as long as 12 philosopher kings known as the supreme court rule that it's constitutional. This message brought to you by your resident sophists.

Obedience is freedom.
Why do you quote us, then claim something we never said?

Still nobody has been able to answer this simple question: How is it "Unconstitutional", or in any way related to the 4th Amendment, when the NSA conducting FOREIGN intelligence collection shares that information with counterpart agencies of our allies?

Damn, can you focus on the actual thread topic, and the information released under Snowden's latest act of treason, or not?

CCAurora
12-24-2013, 06:21 AM
So.... Is anyone still falling for the ridiculous claim that Snowden's treason was limited to stealing information about "illegal" spying against US citizens?

A+ deflection. Murica!

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12-24-2013, 07:11 AM
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x-trainer ben
12-24-2013, 07:17 AM
Edward Snowden: 'Mission's Already Accomplished... I Already Won'

WASHINGTON (AP) — National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden said his "mission's already accomplished" after revealing NSA secrets that have caused a reassessment of U.S. surveillance policies

Snowden told The Washington Post in an interview published online Monday night that he was satisfied because journalists have been able to tell the story of the government's collection of bulk Internet and phone records, an activity that has grown dramatically in the decade since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"For me, in terms of personal satisfaction, the mission's already accomplished," he said. "I already won."

"As soon as the journalists were able to work, everything that I had been trying to do was validated," Snowden told the Post. "Because, remember, I didn't want to change society. I wanted to give society a chance to determine if it should change itself."

nutsy54
12-24-2013, 12:30 PM
A+ deflection. Murica!
How was it "deflection"? This thread is about revealing (again) the blatant treason committed by Snowden. Nothing to do with US citizens. Nothing illegal or Unconstitutional. Just identification of which allies the US shares foreign intelligence collection with.

nutsy54
12-24-2013, 12:32 PM
Edward Snowden: 'Mission's Already Accomplished... I Already Won'
Then why does he continue to expand the actions of treason and espionage by revealing operations which have nothing to do with US citizens, and only serve to aid our enemies...?

betaphaggler
12-24-2013, 12:38 PM
Edward Snowden: 'Mission's Already Accomplished... I Already Won'

WASHINGTON (AP) — National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden said his "mission's already accomplished" after revealing NSA secrets that have caused a reassessment of U.S. surveillance policies

Snowden told The Washington Post in an interview published online Monday night that he was satisfied because journalists have been able to tell the story of the government's collection of bulk Internet and phone records, an activity that has grown dramatically in the decade since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"For me, in terms of personal satisfaction, the mission's already accomplished," he said. "I already won."

"As soon as the journalists were able to work, everything that I had been trying to do was validated," Snowden told the Post. "Because, remember, I didn't want to change society. I wanted to give society a chance to determine if it should change itself."

Lol. Congratulations for forcing the government to make minor changes at best, the Supreme Court probably going to make a very narrow ruling and spilling the beans on how the West spies together.

What a little conceited cheese sniffing rat lmao. Have fun in Russia bra, don't come back

teflonwig
12-24-2013, 01:03 PM
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ymer
12-24-2013, 01:05 PM
#GetNutsyHelp2014

Get him help? lol fuk him, he deserves all that is coming to him.

NumeroOnce
12-24-2013, 02:58 PM
lol at Nutsy defending the government against the "treasonous" Edward Snowden... classic millitary yes-man Nutsy :D

nutsy54
12-24-2013, 03:01 PM
lol at Nutsy defending the government against the "treasonous" Edward Snowden... classic millitary yes-man Nutsy :D
Lots of angry posts, lots of repeating SPAM, lots of empty insults like this one - but nobody has been able to explain what's illegal or Unconstitutional about the NSA activities described in the OP...

ymer
12-24-2013, 03:10 PM
lol here we go again, the old man still sucking his master's dick. Brb if you can't prove it's unconstitutional then it's OK, except when something is proven to be unconstitutional you still defend it because it fits your masters interests.

Lmfao I wish you are somehow deployed to the next war and the camp cafeteria that you are cooking at gets blown up, then for some technicality your family doesn't get a single penny from the gummit and are forced to go on welfare. I doubt that will happen though since military old farts are unfit for anything but to talk chit and defend their masters.

teflonwig
12-24-2013, 04:11 PM
lol here we go again, the old man still sucking his master's dick. Brb if you can't prove it's unconstitutional then it's OK, except when something is proven to be unconstitutional you still defend it because it fits your masters interests.

Lmfao I wish you are somehow deployed to the next war and the camp cafeteria that you are cooking at gets blown up, then for some technicality your family doesn't get a single penny from the gummit and are forced to go on welfare. I doubt that will happen though since military old farts are unfit for anything but to talk chit and defend their masters.


Repped, srs. We'll continue to point out your idiocy Nutsy until you take Uncle Sam's dik outta your mouth. #GetNutsyHelp2014

Stizzel
12-24-2013, 07:23 PM
Repped, srs. We'll continue to point out your idiocy Nutsy until you take Uncle Sam's dik outta your mouth. #GetNutsyHelp2014

You know he loves all this attention right?

x-trainer ben
12-27-2013, 08:02 AM
How is it "whistleblowing" to identify which allies share intelligence with each other? What's illegal about that? (The intel sharing, not the treasonous publication of that information).

Rhetorical question is obviously rhetorical! Do you expect me to call the dude or something? To speak for him... or are you just talking out loud to yourself?

nutsy54
12-27-2013, 05:09 PM
Rhetorical question is obviously rhetorical! Do you expect me to call the dude or something? To speak for him... or are you just talking out loud to yourself?
I'm asking all the Snowden defenders, not Snowden himself. How can they continue pretending he's just an innocent whistleblower when threads like this prove his intentional Treason?

And here we are, 8 days later - and nobody has been able to answer that question.

teflonwig
12-27-2013, 09:36 PM
I'm asking all the Snowden defenders, not Snowden himself. How can they continue pretending he's just an innocent whistleblower when threads like this prove his intentional Treason?

And here we are, 8 days later - and nobody has been able to answer that question.

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Shut the phuk up phaggot

nutsy54
12-27-2013, 09:44 PM
Teflon seems massively pissed off that he has no answer for my question... Just keep spammin' the thread, that really proves your point :D

teflonwig
12-27-2013, 10:00 PM
Teflon seems massively pissed off that he has no answer for my question... Just keep spammin' the thread, that really proves your point :D

Keep suckin Uncle sam you pathetic man. Take it to the grave with you, that and your online, loser-esque persona of an account with more than 100k posts. Throw it on a resume for me as well. Enjoy Mediocrity, scum

ymer
12-28-2013, 07:19 AM
I'm asking all the Snowden defenders, not Snowden himself. How can they continue pretending he's just an innocent whistleblower when threads like this prove his intentional Treason?

And here we are, 8 days later - and nobody has been able to answer that question.

You can't stop embarassing yourself can you?


I very much appreciate that he has the evidence to show what we already knew but people were in denial of.

When did I even discuss hes intentions? as I said before, I don't care a fuk about his intentions, what he has 'revealed' so far is greatly appreciated.

Since I answered your "Question" now, can you finally please discuss the topic on hand; which is... A lot of countries are in bed with the NSA working against people's privacy.

socrates07
12-28-2013, 07:53 AM
Hearing what? The details of intelligence collection that have NOTHING to do with operations against US citizens?

Why the hell are you so excited about telling our enemies how we work against them?

define "our"

you really honestly think "your" government is apart of "our" ?

teflonwig
12-28-2013, 08:24 AM
define "our"

you really honestly think "your" government is apart of "our" ?

Questioning Nutsy is as useless as allowing this man a connection to the interwebz, pls go Nutsy.

Tito203
12-28-2013, 08:54 AM
Wtf

nutsy54
12-28-2013, 09:43 AM
When did I even discuss hes intentions? as I said before, I don't care a fuk about his intentions, what he has 'revealed' so far is greatly appreciated.
What he "revealed" in this thread IS NOT ILLEGAL OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL on the part of NSA or the government. That is the whole point you keep ignoring.


A lot of countries are in bed with the NSA working against people's privacy.
Where does your OP article say anything about (presumably innocent) people's privacy? They share Foreign Intelligence Collection with allied countries. You are the one creating a fictional world where all that collection is Unconstitutional targeting of local citizens.

teflonwig
12-28-2013, 10:40 AM
What he "revealed" in this thread IS NOT ILLEGAL OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL on the part of NSA or the government. That is the whole point you keep ignoring.


Where does your OP article say anything about (presumably innocent) people's privacy? They share Foreign Intelligence Collection with allied countries. You are the one creating a fictional world where all that collection is Unconstitutional targeting of local citizens.

If you legitimatly believe that you're an inbred potato

Googooly
12-28-2013, 01:12 PM
You must be absolutely stupid not to see that what US government is trying to achieve here and that is to control over the world in so many terms.
lol @ ANYONE thinking only purpose of NSA work is to protect ordinary people from terrorists...haha same terrorist that US government has helped in the past and helping at the present time and future. haha its a joke.


The sad thing is there is NOTHING anyone can do about it.

LukeLissen
12-28-2013, 01:34 PM
Questioning Nutsy is as useless as allowing this man a connection to the interwebz, pls go Nutsy.

The only one in this thread who is likely to go soon is you with your constant trolling, flame-baiting, cussing, insults, etc.

LukeLissen
12-28-2013, 01:36 PM
You must be absolutely stupid not to see that what US government is trying to achieve here and that is to control over the world in so many terms.
lol @ ANYONE thinking only purpose of NSA work is to protect ordinary people from terrorists...haha same terrorist that US government has helped in the past and helping at the present time and future. haha its a joke.


The sad thing is there is NOTHING anyone can do about it.

and if you truly think what you've just posted then you are a naive, foolish, ignorant victim of the constant propaganda that is targeted against you.

Googooly
12-28-2013, 02:52 PM
and if you truly think what you've just posted then you are a naive, foolish, ignorant victim of the constant propaganda that is targeted against you.

Okay, then I'm a fool for belieng in the truth. If you get your head out of your ass you will realise what's been happening lately isn't working toward any ordinary citizens and this is just for power grabbing and only benefits the so called people who rule this world.

ymer
12-28-2013, 05:53 PM
What he "revealed" in this thread IS NOT ILLEGAL OR UNCONSTITUTIONAL on the part of NSA or the government. That is the whole point you keep ignoring.

When did I even say it was Illegal or Unconstitutional? Once again you are "countering" something that I didn't even mention.

You are purposely putting words into my mouth that I never said and responding to that so you can once again change the focus of the argument.

nutsy54
12-28-2013, 06:07 PM
When did I even say it was Illegal or Unconstitutional?
When you replied to my earlier statement, asking why I couldn't stop embarrassing myself. And the post you claimed I was "sucking my master's dick" for that statement. And the post where you said his actions weren't Treason. Etc.

I've been directly addressing the topic of this thread, so what are you talking about if not that?

ymer
12-28-2013, 06:27 PM
When you replied to my earlier statement, asking why I couldn't stop embarrassing myself. And the post you claimed I was "sucking my master's dick" for that statement. And the post where you said his actions weren't Treason. Etc.

I've been directly addressing the topic of this thread, so what are you talking about if not that?

I don't even know if you are trolling or just delusional, here's what you have done so far in this thread:

1. First change the subject to focus on Snowden's intentions rather than the content of the OP, also you accused me of defending him and saying that he wasn't treasonous. -After 300 posts you finnally acknowledge my position which is: I like him for what he's doing regardless of his intentions because I consider that this information should be known by everyone.

2. After your initial subject change failed (focusing on Snowden's intentions rather than the OP), now it's not about his intentions or the OP, but wether NSA's actions are legal or not.

I will stand by for your next attempt to change subject.

teflonwig
12-28-2013, 06:31 PM
The only one in this thread who is likely to go soon is you with your constant trolling, flame-baiting, cussing, insults, etc.

Lawl okay jeffrey. Much like Nutsy enjoy minimum wage, Idioit.

nutsy54
12-28-2013, 06:35 PM
...also you accused me of defending him and saying that he wasn't treasonous.
I didn't "accuse" you of anything. I repeated what you'd already said.


What? please take your meds. You consider it treason, I don't, I consider it a service to the human race.

Let me know if anyone wants to have an honest discussion in this thread, instead of the endless spamming, trolling, personal attacks, and lies.

ymer
12-28-2013, 06:41 PM
I didn't "accuse" you of anything. I repeated what you'd already said.

Nice reductio ad absurdum, conveniently bolding something to take out of context my whole statement.

I repeat, I don't CARE if you consider it treasonous or not, I consider it a service to the human race.

Again, that is still part of your #1 attempt to derail the conversation to Snowden's intentions, not the OP.

And you left open your #2 attempt to now change it to legal/constitutional.

Cute selective quoting.

Tomohawk92
12-28-2013, 06:49 PM
Once again: Everyone falsely claimed Snowden was a noble guy just working to reveal "illegal" operations against US citizens - now you even admit that wasn't his true goal. He's just a treasonous criminal.

Meanwhile: Answer my question, why are you so excited to "uncover NSA second tier partners", revealing information that has no benefit except to our enemies?

100,000 posts..
would you stop already

ive seen you in a lot of threads defending everything about the gov't
just ****in stop

nutsy54
12-28-2013, 06:57 PM
100,000 posts..
would you stop already

ive seen you in a lot of threads defending everything about the gov't
just ****in stopThen you're a liar, or have extremely selective tunnel vision. Damn near every post I make is critical of our failed government and the morons we have running it.

Once again, the consistent theme in this thread: Personal attacks when you can't actually defend whatever your position is.

teflonwig
12-28-2013, 11:25 PM
Then you're a liar, or have extremely selective tunnel vision. Damn near every post I make is critical of our failed government and the morons we have running it.

Once again, the consistent theme in this thread: Personal attacks when you can't actually defend whatever your position is.

Brah you realize you are the never ending joke in this thread? Keep on providing the lawlz. Ps having you neg me was almost as lulzy as your attempts to claim Snowden as a criminal. Sheeple gonna sheeep. Keep lettin Uncle Sammy "lead you to freedom" hahahahahahahahahahahahaha #GetNutsyHelp2014

teflonwig
01-02-2014, 09:15 AM
New year same fukkin insand nutsy #GetNutsyHelp2014

MuzzieChik786
01-02-2014, 09:22 AM
Didn't we know this back in 2007?

Why's it surprising anyhow?

teflonwig
03-07-2014, 12:11 PM
Nutsy54 where art thou? Lawl at u

MyLastSerenade
03-07-2014, 12:41 PM
Nutsy54 where art thou? Lawl at u

Why did he get banned?

Tekkendo
03-07-2014, 12:42 PM
Why did he get banned?

Called a mod a pathological liar. LOL

teflonwig
03-07-2014, 02:36 PM
Called a mod a pathological liar. LOL

106K posts, and no rep power. Oh lawd, couldn't happen to a better guy