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Neogaffer
10-27-2013, 04:03 PM
Who would you take and why? To me its no question Mr. Moss. People seem to forget that the greatest qb/wr combo was brady to moss.
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GolfPants
10-27-2013, 04:07 PM
It's getting closer than I ever thought it would, but it's still Moss.

YesWayNoWeigh
10-27-2013, 04:07 PM
Had this discussion earlier. I think cj is better. Just imagine if he had a top 10 qb throwing to him

cashinout
10-27-2013, 04:08 PM
if a Megatron/Brady duo happened within the next 1-3yrs I would die happy.....

urintrouble
10-27-2013, 04:08 PM
burleson played with both and says cj

so fall back

Roebuckz
10-27-2013, 04:10 PM
Jerry Rice

dex26
10-27-2013, 04:20 PM
burleson played with both and says cj

so fall back

This. Burleson has said it many times.

Plus, Moss' best game is like 204 yards. Calvin has gone over 200 in 5 games already. Expect that number to grow.

EastCoastNiner
10-27-2013, 04:22 PM
burleson played with both and says cj

so fall back

Oh, right, I'm sure it was a possibility that Burleson would even say his own teammate wasn't as good as Moss......notsrs.


Moss>>>>Megatron.

Faster.
Quicker.
Better hands.
Could actually find the end-zone consistently.
Didn't have a chucker for a QB.

GODLE
10-27-2013, 04:22 PM
Moss is faster than CJ but CJ is better at everything else.

Zylantypic
10-27-2013, 04:23 PM
Calvin, no hindsight or anything.

DasPhilosopher
10-27-2013, 04:24 PM
out of respect and stats of randy moss id pick him over calvin johnson.

EastCoastNiner
10-27-2013, 04:26 PM
Moss is faster than CJ but CJ is better at everything else.

He may be better at everything except football.

Mainly catching passes and getting into the end-zone.......something Moss was far superior at.


On a serious note, it's damn close. There's a good chance nostalgia is getting the best of me, but Moss was just insane.

Vhagar
10-27-2013, 04:26 PM
Straight cash homie

Monstarx
10-27-2013, 04:29 PM
This is honestly a Legit Good question. I'd have to say Randy, he was just ridiculously Dominant. Got a lot of beatings from my Dad as a result of him just slaughtering the Packers. (not srs)

Fthepolicepigs
10-27-2013, 04:29 PM
Is this real life its not even close call me when calvin jonnson catches Tds the rate moss does

Wiscbrah
10-27-2013, 04:29 PM
I take Moss. He was insane in his prime.

IraHays
10-27-2013, 04:43 PM
Had this discussion earlier. I think cj is better. Just imagine if he had a top 10 qb throwing to him

Let's not forget Moss had an average qb throwing to him for a good chunk of his career.

fraserj32
10-27-2013, 04:43 PM
But who was Jerry Rice? Unless of course you are asking who would you take after Rice, who is the obvious GOAT.

Babyframes
10-27-2013, 04:44 PM
Brady with Calvin? Sorry, CJ.

DasWunderBrah
10-27-2013, 04:44 PM
Im taking Moss but it's close.

frezKo
10-27-2013, 04:45 PM
moss easily

feardafronfz3
10-27-2013, 04:46 PM
moss easily
lol you were like 4 when Moss came into the league

Three6Mafia
10-27-2013, 04:49 PM
I'll take the guy that goes up over three receivers all the time and brings it down most of the time. CJ is better than moss and I don't think it's close. Moss never made me say wow when he played like CJ does

IraHays
10-27-2013, 04:51 PM
I'll take the guy that goes up over three receivers all the time and brings it down most of the time. CJ is better than moss and I don't think it's close. Moss never made me say wow when he played like CJ does

Not sure how to respond. It's like you never watched Moss play. Unless you are talking about Santana.

Babyframes
10-27-2013, 04:54 PM
Not sure how to respond. It's like you never watched Moss play. Unless you are talking about Santana.

Lots of people seen Moss play. Lets not act like dude played in the 70s. Sorry, but that nostalgia critic/"back in my day" **** isn't gonna work here. Every time the balls goes up to Calvin even in triple coverage, I genuinely feel like it's a catch. I never felt that way about Moss. Bottom line is as good as Moss was, he never was this dominant.

HoustonMiscer
10-27-2013, 04:54 PM
Who's the quarterback?

IraHays
10-27-2013, 04:56 PM
Lots of people seen Moss play. Lets not act like dude played in the 70s. Sorry, but that nostalgia critic/"back in my day" **** isn't gonna work here. Every time the balls goes up to Calvin even in triple coverage, I genuinely feel like it's a catch. I never felt that way about Moss, sorry. CJ is the superior receiver.

Uh, I want suggesting he wasn't old enough to watch him. But going up in double coverage and pulling in passes was kind of Randy's thing. That's why I asked. Not sure why you didn't "feel" this way about Moss, he did it all the time.

Whiskey78
10-27-2013, 04:57 PM
Moss all day.

Antonio519
10-27-2013, 05:00 PM
if a Megatron/Brady duo happened within the next 1-3yrs I would die happy.....

All kinds of records broken

rayallenscalves
10-27-2013, 05:03 PM
Had this discussion earlier. I think cj is better. Just imagine if he had a top 10 qb throwing to him

Stafford is so underrated its sad

WRXbrah
10-27-2013, 05:05 PM
Its so close but I think if CJ takes his talents to Seattle or SF, he'd surpass him hands down.

IraHays
10-27-2013, 05:07 PM
Stafford is so underrated its sad

Yeah, I would take hi over Dante Culpepper brad Johnson, and whatever bum was throwing to Moss in Oakland.

LionsBrah
10-27-2013, 05:08 PM
Is this real life its not even close call me when calvin jonnson catches Tds the rate moss does

hes had 16 , 12 and 12 in his career already and 7 this year..broke the single season record 2nd in single game today...already a handfull of games over 200..going CJ..no homer

ToolTime2120
10-27-2013, 05:13 PM
OP are you defining Moss's prime by age or stats production? Because when he was with Brady he had been in the league for almost 10 years

stevedarsh
10-27-2013, 05:13 PM
Megatron and it's not close.

rnaco
10-27-2013, 05:14 PM
Michael Crabtree

Fthepolicepigs
10-27-2013, 05:14 PM
hes had 16 , 12 and 12 in his career already and 7 this year..broke the single season record 2nd in single game today...already a handfull of games over 200..going CJ..no homer


Lol 12 tds is an average season for moss. And when moss was catching tds you could actually play defense and cbs can actually get physical with WR thoughout the whole play. Its not even close.

Bloodrushtiger
10-27-2013, 05:17 PM
CJ.

Brady with CJ will win 6 rings.

stevedarsh
10-27-2013, 05:20 PM
Randy Moss had 200 yards once in 226 career games. Jerry Rice did it four times in 303 games. Calvin Johnson has 200 yards six times in his last 27 games. No one else in NFL history has six career 200-yard games. No one else in NFL history has had a 300 yard game in regulation (without overtime).

At this point Calvin is pulling away from both of them, and quickly.

gotrice33
10-27-2013, 05:24 PM
randy moss imo. nikka was slick

GinoFelino
10-27-2013, 05:25 PM
LOL at anybody in this thread who says "easily" or "not even close."

I'd take Moss for now.

Antonio519
10-27-2013, 05:28 PM
Its so close but I think if CJ takes his talents to Seattle or SF, he'd surpass him hands down.

lol why would cj go to a team with a more poverty qb than stafford?

J411
10-27-2013, 05:32 PM
Randy Moss had 200 yards once in 226 career games. Jerry Rice did it four times in 303 games. Calvin Johnson has 200 yards six times in his last 27 games. No one else in NFL history has six career 200-yard games. No one else in NFL history has had a 300 yard game in regulation (without overtime).

At this point Calvin is pulling away from both of them, and quickly.

I can't believe you just went there.

There is a reason this thread is moss v calvin johnson. Rice isn't mentioned for a very important reason.

Thats because There is no question Rice >>> than both moss and johnson. And I"m a moss homer.

One could say that Johnson prime is better than Moss prime and while I might not agree, its not crazy.

But saying that Johnson is pulling away from moss AND RICE is insane.

For me its Rice >>> Moss > Johnson > TO

bezarker
10-27-2013, 05:32 PM
Straight cash homie

This...

fraserj32
10-27-2013, 05:38 PM
Calvin Johnson first six years average.

1306/16.0/9

Randy Moss first six years average.

1395/16.3/12.8

Jerry Rice first six years average.

1311/17.9/13.1

Thats yards, yards per catch and touchdowns.

Also keep in mind that includes Rice's rookie year in which he started only 4 games and a strike shortened 87 season.

dtbrehm
10-27-2013, 05:38 PM
Why are people saying it would be closer if he had a better QB?

brb Jeff George, Gus Frerotte, Kerry Collins, Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks...

RonPaul2012
10-27-2013, 05:49 PM
moss with all them one handers

iwanagetbig
10-27-2013, 05:58 PM
Stafford is so underrated its sad

This lmao. Name 5qbs other than manning, Brady, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees that are better than him.

canuck604
10-27-2013, 06:02 PM
Its so close but I think if CJ takes his talents to Seattle or SF, he'd surpass him hands down.

Hnnnnnngggggggg

TheThrill1
10-27-2013, 06:02 PM
I'd take Moss. No one was ever better when Moss actually wanted to go.

No one could take the tops off defenses like him.

aestheticsGSF
10-27-2013, 06:03 PM
This is like michael jordan vs. Lebron you guys aernt going to come to a conclusion just agree they are both top 5 ever. Your favoritism or hate for one is going to make it impossible to agree.

BasedPrincess
10-27-2013, 06:03 PM
Moss did the crazy shhit in the 1st half of his career when the league was a lot less pass friendly so I go with him...

aestheticsGSF
10-27-2013, 06:05 PM
This lmao. Name 5qbs other than manning, Brady, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees that are better than him.

Stafford is 2-27 if I remember correctly against teams with .500 record and above. Today being his second win.

He is atrociously bad. Mid tier qb 15-18

DefensiveEnd896
10-27-2013, 06:08 PM
Well you are posting this thread after CJ just had one of the greatest games a WR has ever had in NFL history so I'd expect a lot of ppl to say CJ but honestly I'd go with Moss. His speed on go routes was amazing...

mcbizkit02
10-27-2013, 06:12 PM
Rice
Moss
Johnson


As of right now.

TheThrill1
10-27-2013, 06:14 PM
This lmao. Name 5qbs other than manning, Brady, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees that are better than him.

Manning, Ben, Luck, Rivers, Flacco.

EastCoastNiner
10-27-2013, 06:27 PM
Randy Moss had 200 yards once in 226 career games. Jerry Rice did it four times in 303 games. Calvin Johnson has 200 yards six times in his last 27 games. No one else in NFL history has six career 200-yard games. No one else in NFL history has had a 300 yard game in regulation (without overtime).

At this point Calvin is pulling away from both of them, and quickly.

Strong arbitrary statistics. You just like picking 200 yard games because it helps the case for Megatron.


How about you let me know how many 100 yard games Megatron has had in his first seven seasons (still going) compared to Moss in his first seven seasons? Megatron is going to pretty much need 100 yards in every game this year to come close to matching Moss.

Albeit a small margin, Megatron has also had more games of fewer than 50 yards than Moss during their first 99 games of their careers.


How about which player showed more consistency in finding the end-zone in their first 99 games of their career? Megatron found his way into the end-zone in 49/99 games. Moss found his way into the end-zone 58/99 games.

How about dominating TD performances? We'll go with multi-TD games. Megatron had 11/99 games with a multiple TD receptions. Moss had 19/99 games with multiple TD passes.


I'm just going with statistics there like you were. You can swing the statistics any way you want, just like I did there, although mine is a lot less cherry picked than your 200+ yard games. We're not even getting into the QB's each has played with and the era each played in.

This certainly is not a landslide for Megatron by any means.

2 D
10-27-2013, 06:48 PM
Whats sad is there were a handful of seasons Moss clearly was not trying... he coulda padded his stats even more if he had.

Moss is IMO 2nd to only Rice. Johnson has the potential to right up there though if he keeps producing and stays healthy.

Madvillainy
10-27-2013, 07:18 PM
calvin's a freak with his size/speed/strength combo, but moss blows him out of the water when it comes to hands. moss was also faster/quicker and also was better at going up to catch balls.

tmc.
10-27-2013, 07:24 PM
Stafford is so underrated its sad

He wouldn't be underrated if he was a black QB

painzRgainz
10-27-2013, 07:25 PM
Moss also didn't get 15 targets a game

Eatforgains
10-27-2013, 07:27 PM
Calvin all day long

FGCHENG
10-27-2013, 07:31 PM
Calvin Johnson is in the GOAT discussion with Matthew Stafford as his QB. Imagine if CJ had a real QB throwing him the ball. Matthew Stafford is Matthew Stafford because of Megatron.

aestheticsGSF
10-27-2013, 07:34 PM
Stafford 2-27 vs teams with .500 and above record. He's overrated

5x10
10-27-2013, 07:36 PM
But who was Jerry Rice? Unless of course you are asking who would you take after Rice, who is the obvious GOAT.its a given

Vhagar
10-27-2013, 07:39 PM
take the ball deep take the top off the defense

Heaney
10-27-2013, 07:46 PM
Let's not forgot how the pussification of football has basically rendered DBs useless, just look at passing stats the last 3 seasons. Moss is the goat runner up

Three6Mafia
10-27-2013, 07:49 PM
I'd take Moss. No one was ever better when Moss actually wanted to go.

No one could take the tops off defenses like him.
Key phrase " when he wanted to go"
that's why he shouldn't be in the convo because of his poor ethic

TopsecretWaffle
10-27-2013, 08:06 PM
pull ur 84 jerseys out

ITzChurch
10-27-2013, 08:12 PM
tmJcUlrkMNg

iwanagetbig
10-27-2013, 08:16 PM
Manning, Ben, Luck, Rivers, Flacco.
i'll take a seat now. Don't know how I forgot about Rivers, Eli, Luck and Flacco. Ben is good and I know he's got rings to prove it, but as of right now, Ben is nowhere lol.


Stafford is 2-27 if I remember correctly against teams with .500 record and above. Today being his second win.

He is atrociously bad. Mid tier qb 15-18
wow, strongly unaware of that stat.

WolfishGrin
10-27-2013, 08:27 PM
Stafford is so underrated its sad

He's not though. Most ppl have him as an average QB. So def not a bum but he's not great that's for sure. Absolutely middle of the pack.

Street-Profit
10-27-2013, 09:00 PM
Im taking Calvin Johnson for the simple fact him vs 3 people = he's still open.

Hegotgame
10-27-2013, 09:16 PM
I'm a life long lions fan and i think moss at this point is better but after calvin is done it will be him if he stays healthy.

People dont take into consideration moss played with a top 5 hof wr and that made it a lot easier on him those early years

TheThrill1
10-27-2013, 09:21 PM
Key phrase " when he wanted to go"
that's why he shouldn't be in the convo because of his poor ethic
What's scary is he had those numbers with that work ethic.

niknguyen
10-27-2013, 09:24 PM
Manning, Ben, Luck, Rivers, Flacco.

Flacco...??
He has a stronger arm but that's about it. He's inconsistent as can be...at least with Stafford you know he's going to be slinging it and he can keep it up.


But moss for me. They didn't coin the phrase you got moss'd for no reason

Fthepolicepigs
10-27-2013, 09:48 PM
People forget that moss put up his great stats when dbs could actually play defense imagine if prime moss played in today pass friendly nfl? Also dbs where alot better back 10. Brb old randy moss burning revis the best db in the league easy.

svtballa
10-27-2013, 09:59 PM
That's a tough question...wanna hear a crazy stat that I had to check to actually believe...Randy Moss never led the leauge in yards or receptions.....considering how great he was its hard to comprehend

daisbest
10-27-2013, 10:46 PM
Moss is faster than CJ but CJ is better at everything else.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3820/rrl0.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/rrl0.gif/)

daisbest
10-27-2013, 10:53 PM
Calvin Johnson first six years average.

1306/16.0/9

Randy Moss first six years average.

1395/16.3/12.8

Jerry Rice first six years average.

1311/17.9/13.1

Thats yards, yards per catch and touchdowns.

Also keep in mind that includes Rice's rookie year in which he started only 4 games and a strike shortened 87 season.

keep in mind that rice had joe fcukin montana and steve young

Babyframes
10-28-2013, 02:44 AM
People forget that moss put up his great stats when dbs could actually play defense imagine if prime moss played in today pass friendly nfl? Also dbs where alot better back 10. Brb old randy moss burning revis the best db in the league easy.

Typical copout argument. "Oh back in my day...", shut the **** up lol. Doesn't make what Moss did any more impressive at all. DBs nowadays are just as good if not better. Take off the nostalgia shades.

Pointless discussion really since people will never remove their childhood heroes from an unobtainable pedestal they've placed them at due to them simply being old. Doesn't matter how good the current generation is. Time > skill since thanks to time, no one remembers the low points of older players, only the good points but for the people with actual sense, Calvin > Moss. Deal with it.

dex26
10-28-2013, 03:26 AM
NFL Leaders, Career Receiving Yards Through 100 Games
Rk Player Yds
1 Lance Alworth 9,019
2 Randy Moss 8,680
5 Calvin Johnson* 8,657
3 Torry Holt 8,598
4 Jerry Rice 8,488

Calvin is now at his peak. Sky is the limit. He has missed a game this year and is ahead of pace where he was at last year. By a good margin.

rayallenscalves
10-28-2013, 04:50 AM
Manning, Ben, Luck, Rivers, Flacco.

None of these are better than Stafford NOW. Use the eye test.

Woogiefied
10-28-2013, 05:00 AM
Moss was never caught from behind by a white linebacker like yesterday. Moss > Mega.

aestheticsGSF
10-28-2013, 05:17 AM
keep in mind that rice had joe fcukin montana and steve young

Butttt calvin had jon kitna, shaun hill, dan orvolsky and daunte cullpepper for 3 years those guys are stars.

Your a hater!! :'(

aestheticsGSF
10-28-2013, 05:18 AM
Flacco...??
He has a stronger arm but that's about it. He's inconsistent as can be...at least with Stafford you know he's going to be slinging it and he can keep it up.


But moss for me. They didn't coin the phrase you got moss'd for no reason

What can matt ryan do hahahaha

smokeater
10-28-2013, 06:13 AM
If this question was asked on Saturday, I still would have said Johnson.

rayallenscalves
10-28-2013, 06:26 AM
If this question was asked on Saturday, I still would have said Johnson.


Rice
Moss
Irvin
Owens
Johnson

As of right now I think these are the best wr's of all time, the list can definitely change though. As good as CC and Sharpe were I don't think there better than the above five

aestheticsGSF
10-28-2013, 06:29 AM
Rice
Moss
Irvin
Owens
Johnson

As of right now I think these are the best wr's of all time, the list can definitely change though. As good as CC and Sharpe were I don't think there better than the above five

Interesting two cowboys in top 5 hate for calvin is strong after he ****ted on them yesterday

Cantremember
10-28-2013, 06:30 AM
Manning, Ben, Luck, Rivers, Flacco.

this is by far the dumbest post I have seen in this thread.


On another note, It's a little early to tell if CJ is better. He definitely has the potential to be the GOAT.

NorrinRadd12
10-28-2013, 08:05 AM
Jason Witten trying to explain to Dez he's not better than Megatron.

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/10/argue1.gif

Witten: that guy out there is way better than you, look what he just did
Dez: No!
Witten: (points to score board) look at the stats, 329 yards!
Dez: No!
Witten: Look at the board!
Dez No!

stevedarsh
10-28-2013, 08:14 AM
Reggie Bush ✔ @ReggieBush
Calvin Johnson is the greatest receiver in the history of the NFL! #dropsthemic
4:42 PM - 27 Oct 2013




Mic has been dropped, thread is now over.

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 08:27 AM
Typical copout argument. "Oh back in my day...", shut the **** up lol. Doesn't make what Moss did any more impressive at all. DBs nowadays are just as good if not better. Take off the nostalgia shades.

Pointless discussion really since people will never remove their childhood heroes from an unobtainable pedestal they've placed them at due to them simply being old. Doesn't matter how good the current generation is. Time > skill since thanks to time, no one remembers the low points of older players, only the good points but for the people with actual sense, Calvin > Moss. Deal with it.

This isn't your typical nostalgia from people though, although a lot of people absolutely love Randy Moss. There is a legitimate comparison here, and both players have things in their favor.

There seem to be some people here that forget just how damn good Moss was in his prime, and the types of catches he could make.

mazimi18
10-28-2013, 08:28 AM
i'd take calvin srs

IraHays
10-28-2013, 08:30 AM
There seem to be some people here that forget just how damn good Moss was in his prime, and the types of catches he could make.

There also seems to be a misconception that Moss played with HOF qbs his entire career.

MCrow
10-28-2013, 08:35 AM
Having seen both quite a bit:

Moss had Culpepper and Cunningham as a QB for the first part of his career and for the most part the were just deepball chuckers that could run.

I don't see Stafford as a major downgrade from either of these guys.


I think they are slightly different players:

Most is quite a bit faster, I think was more shifty.

Megatron is much bigger, has better control and positioning.

Hands wise, about the same.

Stats wise they are pretty similar at this point in their careers.

Basically Moss is more likely to bust off a huge TD catch where as Megatron is much more dominant in the redzone.

Engineer_Guy
10-28-2013, 08:38 AM
Calvin Johnson is a better player and a better person on and off the field.

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 08:43 AM
Having seen both quite a bit:

Moss had Culpepper and Cunningham as a QB for the first part of his career and for the most part the were just deepball chuckers that could run.

I don't see Stafford as a major downgrade from either of these guys.


I think they are slightly different players:

Most is quite a bit faster, I think was more shifty.

Megatron is much bigger, has better control and positioning.

Hands wise, about the same.

Stats wise they are pretty similar at this point in their careers.

Basically Moss is more likely to bust off a huge TD catch where as Megatron is much more dominant in the redzone.

Wottttt? You were doing fine until your last three lines.

-Moss has some of the best hands, if not THE best hands in NFL history.

-Megatron is not more dominant in the red-zone. If he was more dominant in the red-zone, he'd actually find his way into the end-zone a lot more often. Having TD's last year does not show red-zone dominance, whether or not people want to say he's ALWAYS triple covered.

painzRgainz
10-28-2013, 08:46 AM
In my opinion you cant go wrong saying either but to me..

Over the Middle and Mindset - Calvin

Everything else KxTnVAARhTA

IraHays
10-28-2013, 08:51 AM
Reality is there isn't much separation between Rice, CJ, Moss, and TO. I would say Rice and TO appear to me to have the competitive edge of "I want the ball" when the games on the line.

Dunno, just to hard to pick the best.

MCrow
10-28-2013, 08:52 AM
Wottttt? You were doing fine until your last three lines.

-Moss has some of the best hands, if not THE best hands in NFL history.[/img]

Yeah, but I think Megatron does as well. Maybe you give a slight edge to Moss but not that big a difference.

[img]-Megatron is not more dominant in the red-zone. If he was more dominant in the red-zone, he'd actually find his way into the end-zone a lot more often. Having TD's last year does not show red-zone dominance, whether or not people want to say he's ALWAYS triple covered.

33 of his 62 TDs are Redzone TDs. 53%

65 of 156 for Moss in the redzone. 42%

You look at Moss he had a ton of long TDs but wasn't nearly as good in the redzone. Not saying there are not better red zone WRs but Megatron is better than Moss was.

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 09:03 AM
33 of his 62 TDs are Redzone TDs. 53%

65 of 156 for Moss in the redzone. 42%

You look at Moss he had a ton of long TDs but wasn't nearly as good in the redzone. Not saying there are not better red zone WRs but Megatron is better than Moss was.

That's not a good way of showing which player is a better red-zone target. With those numbers, Moss is essentially being penalized in your analysis for being a far superior deep threat WR. If he's scoring on many more deep routes than Megatron, of course his percentage of total TD's in the red-zone is going to be far less.

MCrow
10-28-2013, 09:07 AM
That's not a good way of showing which player is a better red-zone target. With those numbers, Moss is essentially being penalized in your analysis for being a far superior deep threat WR. If he's scoring on many more deep routes than Megatron, of course his percentage of total TD's in the red-zone is going to be far less.

Well, lets just toss out the eye test then. I saw every game moss played for the Vikes and a good number of the Pats games. I've seen a lot of Megatron's games. Both are double and trippled in the redzone. Cris Carter was a better redzone threat than either of them,IMO but Megatron was better than Moss. It is sort of stupid to argue about it anyway, both are much better than most in the redzone.

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 09:14 AM
Well, lets just toss out the eye test then. I saw every game moss played for the Vikes and a good number of the Pats games. I've seen a lot of Megatron's games. Both are double and trippled in the redzone. Cris Carter was a better redzone threat than either of them,IMO but Megatron was better than Moss. It is sort of stupid to argue about it anyway, both are much better than most in the redzone.

For sure, and I'm not trying to argue about it as I know you've pretty much seen every game Moss has played. I'll admit I'm a little biased here, and that's probably clouding my judgement. I think Megatrons build could make him a better target in that area for sure, but I'll admit I'm partial to Moss. I can't help but love both of them though.

Madvillainy
10-28-2013, 09:18 AM
can't believe people are talking about QB being a detriment to calvin. he's in one of the most pass-happy offenses of all time, and his QB (who is actually pretty good) loves forcing the ball through to him.

MCrow
10-28-2013, 09:21 AM
For sure, and I'm not trying to argue about it as I know you've pretty much seen every game Moss has played. I'll admit I'm a little biased here, and that's probably clouding my judgement. I think Megatrons build could make him a better target in that area for sure, but I'll admit I'm partial to Moss. I can't help but love both of them though.

Personally, I would take Moss over Megatron.

Nothing gets teams pumped and rolling like a huge TD pass and Moss is the all-time GOAT of long TD catches. Nothing like watching the dome and Vikes sideline go nuts and how fast the opponents deflate when Moss caught a long TD pass.

DJRogerShah7
10-28-2013, 10:34 AM
People saying Moss are really stupid


Moss had 1 season in his career with 1600 yards or more
CJ has already had 2 seasons like that, one with nearly 2000 yards and he'll have his 3rd season with 1600+ yards this year. Considering that he's only 28 years old, he could have 6 or 7 seasons with 1600+ yards
CJ is the most dominant receiver the game has ever seen. The guy beats triple teams on a regular basis
CJ is the perfect combination of Randy Moss athleticism and the physicality and strength of someone like TO with a much better attitude and ferocious work ethic


Moss was a primadonna and a terrible teammate. He was a guy who would play when he wanted to and would take plays, games and seasons off. CJ always goes all out every game, every play. I would want nothing to do with Moss if I could have a chance at a comparable receiver...much less a guy who is getting 1600-2,000 yards a year

DJRogerShah7
10-28-2013, 10:39 AM
For sure, and I'm not trying to argue about it as I know you've pretty much seen every game Moss has played. I'll admit I'm a little biased here, and that's probably clouding my judgement. I think Megatrons build could make him a better target in that area for sure, but I'll admit I'm partial to Moss. I can't help but love both of them though.


Moss had 4 seasons in his career with less than 800 yards receiving BTW. The guy was infamous for playing when he wanted to


As talented as he was, he should have never had a season below even a 1,000 yards

quarters
10-28-2013, 10:51 AM
Calvins got a lot in the tank(he's like 26-27) but as of right now I'd take moss. You can't ignore 23 td's in a season.

dtbrehm
10-28-2013, 10:53 AM
Moss was a primadonna and a terrible teammate. He was a guy who would play when he wanted to and would take plays, games and seasons off. CJ always goes all out every game, every play. I would want nothing to do with Moss if I could have a chance at a comparable receiver...much less a guy who is getting 1600-2,000 yards a year
So...many...misconceptions...

lee4
10-28-2013, 10:56 AM
People seem to forget that the greatest qb/wr combo was brady to moss.


no.

pats were padding all season that year.

further, the record they broke, 23 touchdowns over sixteen games, was previously held by Jerry Rice with 22 touchdowns...




...in twelve games, with Rice resting entire second halves of games due to blowouts.

by comparison, your Pad's were driving downfield at the end's of 4th quarters doing two-minute drills with 35pt leads. pls go.

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 11:04 AM
People saying Moss are really stupid


Moss had 1 season in his career with 1600 yards or more
CJ has already had 2 seasons like that, one with nearly 2000 yards and he'll have his 3rd season with 1600+ yards this year. Considering that he's only 28 years old, he could have 6 or 7 seasons with 1600+ yards
CJ is the most dominant receiver the game has ever seen. The guy beats triple teams on a regular basis
CJ is the perfect combination of Randy Moss athleticism and the physicality and strength of someone like TO with a much better attitude and ferocious work ethic


Moss was a primadonna and a terrible teammate. He was a guy who would play when he wanted to and would take plays, games and seasons off. CJ always goes all out every game, every play. I would want nothing to do with Moss if I could have a chance at a comparable receiver...much less a guy who is getting 1600-2,000 yards a year


Moss had 4 seasons in his career with less than 800 yards receiving BTW. The guy was infamous for playing when he wanted to


As talented as he was, he should have never had a season below even a 1,000 yards

Strong trying to cherry-pick stats to try and make your case, when the stats don't even mean **** in this case. Before 2010 (when Moss was actually a dominant force, he never had less than 1,000 yards in a full season. Oh, would you look at that, it doesn't look as bad now does it?

Only ONCE in the seasons where Moss played all sixteen games on the Vikings did the Vikings throw for 4,000+ yards. The Detroit Lions have thrown for 5,038 yards and 4,967 the past two season, and are on pace for more than 5,000 yards this season.

I guess Andre Johnson is better than Moss as well because he's had three 1,500 yards seasons compared to Moss having none? Come back with you don't have an argument with more holes than the Cowboys defense.



no.

pats were padding all season that year.


by comparison, your Pad's were driving downfield at the end's of 4th quarters doing two-minute drills with 35pt leads. pls go.

Completely incorrect, and not even close to having a semblance of truth to it.

Try again.

HTownOlajuwon
10-28-2013, 11:07 AM
Moss was more dangerous as he is probably the most dangerous WR in NFL history. Calvin was better overall though since he could do it all though and was more productive doing so.

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 11:34 AM
Moss was more dangerous as he is probably the most dangerous WR in NFL history. Calvin was better overall though since he could do it all though and was more productive doing so.

What does this even mean?

How is Megatron more productive? Oh, I guess we're going to just use yards and yards alone as the measure? When Megatron finds the end-zone like Moss did throughout his entire career, let me know.

lee4
10-28-2013, 11:40 AM
Completely incorrect, and not even close to having a semblance of truth to it.

Try again.

Pad's ran up stats and scores...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3084539

Jerry Rice set the 22 TD mark in TWELVE games...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiceJe00.htm

i've validated my claims, source your claims or STFU.

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 11:53 AM
Pad's ran up stats and scores...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3084539

Jerry Rice set the 22 TD mark in TWELVE games...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RiceJe00.htm


i've validated my claims, source your claims or STFU.


1. Learn you read. I never mentioned anything about Rice in my post.

2. It wasn't the end of the fourth quarter, so maybe you should learn some basic math and time skills. It was an eight minute drive that started in the THIRD quarter, and Gibbs had absolutely no problem with it.

3. The two players they quoted in article did not represent the entire Redskins team. After the game, there were many players that said they would have felt worse if the Patriots settled for a FG there instead of going for it as it would look worse for Washington if their opponent was throwing them a bone.


So, once again, show me the two minute drills they were running at the end if the 4th quarter (your words) or just stop posting. Oh, and it's clear you don't watch the NFL.

Pad's


Pad's


Pad's.


Po-tay-toe.

SpiderSense
10-28-2013, 12:00 PM
Let's not forget Johnson is 'doing it all' in an era where defensive players get suspended for looking at WR's too mean.

broboma2012
10-28-2013, 12:01 PM
Why is no one pointing out the fact that calvin has benefited from a more pass happy era? where people in this very thread are saying that a qb who is set to pass for around 5000 yards for the 3rd time in his career is not even top 10. That should say enough right there. Moss still through his 1st 6 years had more yards than johnson. Imagine a prime moss in today's game...

DJRogerShah7
10-28-2013, 12:08 PM
Strong trying to cherry-pick stats to try and make your case, when the stats don't even mean **** in this case. Before 2010 (when Moss was actually a dominant force, he never had less than 1,000 yards in a full season. Oh, would you look at that, it doesn't look as bad now does it?


Moss has 767 yards in 2003 and 553 yards in 2006, 2 seasons where he missed 3 games but those are still horrible numbers for 13 games. The guy had a terrible attitude, was a terrible teammate and was known to take entire games off. That's why he was traded in 2010 after having almost 1300 yards the year before.


Give me CJ as a great team player and a guy with a great attitude all day long


Oh and when it's all said and done, CJ's average yards and catches person season will dominate Moss's numbers. CJ will have every record out there

stevedarsh
10-28-2013, 12:11 PM
Why is no one pointing out the fact that calvin has benefited from a more pass happy era? where people in this very thread are saying that a qb who is set to pass for around 5000 yards for the 3rd time in his career is not even top 10. That should say enough right there. Moss still through his 1st 6 years had more yards than johnson. Imagine a prime moss in today's game...

this has been pointed out several times. why is no one pointing out that calvin had John Kitna and Drew Stanton throwing to him for 2 years, was drafted by Matt Millen onto the Matt Millen Lions, and played on the the worst roster in NFL history for several years? Despite that, he has never complained.

DJRogerShah7
10-28-2013, 12:12 PM
Why is no one pointing out the fact that calvin has benefited from a more pass happy era? where people in this very thread are saying that a qb who is set to pass for around 5000 yards for the 3rd time in his career is not even top 10. That should say enough right there. Moss still through his 1st 6 years had more yards than johnson. Imagine a prime moss in today's game...


07 Pats had one of the best offenses ever and Moss only had about 1500 yards playing on a team with a lot of excellent players. CJ had almost 2K yards last year while constantly getting double and triple teamed


I understand there is a TD disparity but TD's are an overrated stat. A receiver can get 90% of the yards to get a team to the end zone and a RB can have a ****ty 1 yard TD run.

urintrouble
10-28-2013, 12:12 PM
Why is no one pointing out the fact that calvin has benefited from a more pass happy era? where people in this very thread are saying that a qb who is set to pass for around 5000 yards for the 3rd time in his career is not even top 10. That should say enough right there. Moss still through his 1st 6 years had more yards than johnson. Imagine a prime moss in today's game...

imagine a prime jordan or prime pele. stop crying

DJRogerShah7
10-28-2013, 12:13 PM
this has been pointed out several times. why is no one pointing out that calvin had John Kitna and Drew Stanton throwing to him for 2 years, and played on the worst team in NFL history for one? Despite that, he has never complained.


For some reason, everybody in this thread is forgetting that Moss was arguably the worst diva receiver in the history of the league


Why would you want a guy like that on your team over a guy like CJ who has an impeccable attitude?

SpiderSense
10-28-2013, 12:18 PM
07 Pats had one of the best offenses ever and Moss only had about 1500 yards playing on a team with a lot of excellent players. CJ had almost 2K yards last year while constantly getting double and triple teamed.

Please tell me you're not that dumb.

Can you see where your logic fails?

aestheticsGSF
10-28-2013, 12:25 PM
Calvin johnson stats make non sense you can triple team him he'll still catch it like nothing. Pls go hes tbe goat.

Jerry rice is a better version of reggie wayne he's still top 3 but he had hall of fame qbs whole career.

Calvin has a guy whos 2-27 against .500 teams and jon kitna, shaun hill, dan orvolsky and a ****ty ass daunte cullpepper for 3 years.not the great one pre injury randy moss had.

Its obvious calvin is #1

DJRogerShah7
10-28-2013, 12:25 PM
Please tell me you're not that dumb.

Can you see where your logic fails?


Targets for Moss in 2007 - 160
Targets for CJ last year - 205

So 45 more targets resulting in about 500 more yards but the overall quality of targets for Moss was much higher because he was facing far fewer double and triple teams as the Patriots had excellent secondary players after Moss

Vhagar
10-28-2013, 12:26 PM
Im taking Calvin Johnson for the simple fact him vs 3 people = he's still open.

Moss was too fast to ever have 3 people on him. No team had that many people that could keep up with him.

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 12:32 PM
this has been pointed out several times. why is no one pointing out that calvin had John Kitna and Drew Stanton throwing to him for 2 years, was drafted by Matt Millen onto the Matt Millen Lions, and played on the the worst roster in NFL history for several years? Despite that, he has never complained.

Ok, and Moss also had to deal with Collins, George, Frerotte, and Bouman during his career. Did you have a point here?


07 Pats had one of the best offenses ever and Moss only had about 1500 yards playing on a team with a lot of excellent players. CJ had almost 2K yards last year while constantly getting double and triple teamed


I understand there is a TD disparity but TD's are an overrated stat. A receiver can get 90% of the yards to get a team to the end zone and a RB can have a ****ty 1 yard TD run.

People VASTLY over-exagerrate how often Megatron is double and triple covered compared to the double teams other elite WR's face. Every coach in the NFL would laugh at your for saying TD's are an overrated statistic. Go ahead and go 99 yards every drive, fail to get a TD, and settle for a FG. That's what gets coaches fired. It's a skill to be able to get in the end-zone, and Moss was the best at that since Jerry Rice.


For some reason, everybody in this thread is forgetting that Moss was arguably the worst diva receiver in the history of the league


Why would you want a guy like that on your team over a guy like CJ who has an impeccable attitude?

I'll take a guy that has been called one of the smartest players Bill Belichick has ever been around any day of the week. His "diva" attitude and "taking plays" off is blown WAY out of proportion. Here are a few quotes those of you that don't know what you're talking about should read.



• "Everyone was picking on (Randy) Moss last year for not running hard routes. Why do you think (Bill) Belichick called him one of the smartest players he ever coached? You know why, right? He's there for one reason and one reason only. When a defense is dumb enough to play single-man coverage with no help, that is when he runs hard — he knows they are throwing to him those eight times a game. When it is not single coverage, he jogs off the line and does not finish his route. It's that plain and simple. When Randy is singled, he runs hard, he goes up top and makes plays. If he is doubled, they take (Wes) Welker low, coming across, or look for the tight end. You can coach that."


Belichick, for his part, has praised Moss repeatedly, calling him, “as smart as any receiver I’ve ever coached.”


/lawyered.

SpiderSense
10-28-2013, 12:32 PM
Targets for Moss in 2007 - 160
Targets for CJ last year - 205

So 45 more targets resulting in about 500 more yards but the overall quality of targets for Moss was much higher because he was facing far fewer double and triple teams as the Patriots had excellent secondary players after Moss

3 passes per game is pretty significant.

HTownOlajuwon
10-28-2013, 12:39 PM
What does this even mean?

How is Megatron more productive? Oh, I guess we're going to just use yards and yards alone as the measure? When Megatron finds the end-zone like Moss did throughout his entire career, let me know.
Hard to find the end-zone when you got teams playing punt coverage against you.



http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cj3.jpg

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1250367/eagles8.gif

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 12:39 PM
Hopefully some of you watch this and shut up about being Megatron being double and triple-teamed. This is ONLY the 2007-2008 season for Moss which was probably past his physical prime, but let's examine how many times he seemed to be double and triple teamed. Also, if Moss is just too fast, then no **** he's not going to have three guys on him because they'll be ten yards behind him and his afterburners.

uyZpPAzHUKE


He's double and triple teamed on a lot of these TD's, but he burns a lot of these DB's too. Just watch him abuse the Miami DB's.

aestheticsGSF
10-28-2013, 12:43 PM
Hopefully some of you watch this and shut up about being Megatron being double and triple-teamed. This is ONLY the 2007-2008 season for Moss which was probably past his physical prime, but let's examine how many times he seemed to be double and triple teamed. Also, if Moss is just too fast, then no **** he's not going to have three guys on him because they'll be ten yards behind him and his afterburners.

uyZpPAzHUKE




He's double and triple teamed on a lot of these TD's, but he burns a lot of these DB's too. Just watch him abuse the Miami DB's.

Megatron is better its proven. Deal with it/thread.

jumpman18
10-28-2013, 12:44 PM
Taller
Better hands
Better at jump balls
Moss>>>Johnson

stevedarsh
10-28-2013, 12:49 PM
Ok, and Moss also had to deal with Collins, George, Frerotte, and Bouman during his career. Did you have a point here?

Yes, I did have a point. Moss never had a roster around him anything like the 2-30 lions. To imply otherwise is effectively destroying your credibility.

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 12:54 PM
[QUOTE=HTownOlajuwon;1155045193]Hard to find the end-zone when you got teams playing punt coverage against you.



http://sinfl.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cj3.jpg[img]

[img]http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1250367/eagles8.gif[QUOTE]

Came in expecting the first pic, as it's the only **** people will post when comparing Megatron to any other WR. Moss burned by his coverage, yet some of you want to penalize him for that. Righttttt.......

Woogiefied
10-28-2013, 01:15 PM
Jerry rice is a better version of reggie wayne he's still top 3 but he had hall of fame qbs whole career.

Negged for life, bitch wake me up when CJ is 40 and still catching 90 balls for over 1200 yards. Looks like I'm gonna be sleeping for a looooong time.

broboma2012
10-28-2013, 01:23 PM
07 Pats had one of the best offenses ever and Moss only had about 1500 yards playing on a team with a lot of excellent players. CJ had almost 2K yards last year while constantly getting double and triple teamed


I understand there is a TD disparity but TD's are an overrated stat. A receiver can get 90% of the yards to get a team to the end zone and a RB can have a ****ty 1 yard TD run.

you do realize the fact that megatron has literally no other receivers that are good on his team works for him, right? if he had a welker he would not have all of those receiving yards.

brb that stats that don't agree with my opinion are irrelevant.

do you not realize that moss averaged more yards per season than johnson in his 1st 6 years? this is despite the beefed up passing game of taday's NFL as well. Honestly there should be some be some type of inflation stat to be able to translate what certain statistics mean in the current era and vice versa. somehow i think moss would come out on top in that analysis

aestheticsGSF
10-28-2013, 01:25 PM
Negged for life, bitch wake me up when CJ is 40 and still catching 90 balls for over 1200 yards. Looks like I'm gonna be sleeping for a looooong time.

He broke nfl recieving record lmfao rice and randy can do that

DJRogerShah7
10-28-2013, 01:42 PM
People VASTLY over-exagerrate how often Megatron is double and triple covered compared to the double teams other elite WR's face. Every coach in the NFL would laugh at your for saying TD's are an overrated statistic. Go ahead and go 99 yards every drive, fail to get a TD, and settle for a FG. That's what gets coaches fired. It's a skill to be able to get in the end-zone, and Moss was the best at that since Jerry Rice.

TDs are overrated because there are a lot of different ways to get in the end zone

Look at the lions game, Megatron gets them to the 1 yard line and Stafford runs the ball in. Stafford got the TD, Johnson and durham did the real work



/lawyered.


That quote is stupid and it makes no sense

CJ runs and plays extremely hard on every play, that's why he's able to get so many catches in double and triple teams. Moss could have had a lot more yards if he had the same attitude.

When it's all said and done, CJ will have every one of the receiving records because of his work ethic

Also LOL @ using Bill Bellichek's quotes, you realize Bellicheck traded Moss because he was too much of a primadonna nuisance in the locker room right? Why would you want a guy like that on your team?

JmanTheJuiceman
10-28-2013, 02:02 PM
Prime Moss >>>>>>>>

http://thehighlightnetwork.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/RandyMossMoon.gif

EastCoastNiner
10-28-2013, 02:16 PM
TDs are overrated because there are a lot of different ways to get in the end zone

Look at the lions game, Megatron gets them to the 1 yard line and Stafford runs the ball in. Stafford got the TD, Johnson and durham did the real work





That quote is stupid and it makes no sense

CJ runs and plays extremely hard on every play, that's why he's able to get so many catches in double and triple teams. Moss could have had a lot more yards if he had the same attitude.

When it's all said and done, CJ will have every one of the receiving records because of his work ethic

Also LOL @ using Bill Bellichek's quotes, you realize Bellicheck traded Moss because he was too much of a primadonna nuisance in the locker room right? Why would you want a guy like that on your team?

No, TD's are not over-rated. There's a reason there are goal-line HB's. Just go back a few weeks ago when Amendola was short of scoring by about half a foot. The Patriots settled for a FG instead of getting a TD, and it changed the entire game. No matter how close to the end-zone you are, there's no guarantee you're going to score. Certain players have a knack of scoring, and Moss was one of them.

Oh, and I'm not sure what you're talking about in regards to Moss being traded. Belichick stated that the trade had NOTHING to do with his attitude, so try again.

Fthepolicepigs
10-28-2013, 02:33 PM
TDs are overrated because there are a lot of different ways to get in the end zone

Look at the lions game, Megatron gets them to the 1 yard line and Stafford runs the ball in. Stafford got the TD, Johnson and durham did the real work





That quote is stupid and it makes no sense

CJ runs and plays extremely hard on every play, that's why he's able to get so many catches in double and triple teams. Moss could have had a lot more yards if he had the same attitude.

When it's all said and done, CJ will have every one of the receiving records because of his work ethic

Also LOL @ using Bill Bellichek's quotes, you realize Bellicheck traded Moss because he was too much of a primadonna nuisance in the locker room right? Why would you want a guy like that on your team?


You ****ing phaggot i can use the same logic and tell you yards is overrated cause it doesnt lead to a touchdown or fg phaggot.

Brb moss era qbs barely threw for 3000 yards brb CJ era 4000 yards is an average qb and multiple qbs throw for 5000 yards. OFENSE IS INFLATED CAUSE WR CAN RUN THERE WHOLE ROUTE CLEAN WITHOUT CBS GETTING PHYSICAL AND OFFENSES ARE PROTECTED NOW DAYS

CurryTech777
10-28-2013, 03:00 PM
lmao @ all the kids in there.

with the new nfl rules megatron can get big yards but he will never sniff anything close to 20+ touchdowns

he couldn't hold prime moss' jockstrap, srs.

dex26
10-28-2013, 03:10 PM
lmao @ all the kids in there.

with the new nfl rules megatron can get big yards but he will never sniff anything close to 20+ touchdowns

he couldn't hold prime moss' jockstrap, srs.


16 td isn't far off from 20.

Anyway, Calvin has another shot to break Rice's record yet again this year. I also expect his tds to be over 12 this year.

Lions are very limited with WRs again this year with Broyles out for the year. So i expect Calvin to continue his dominance through the year.

IraHays
10-28-2013, 03:12 PM
Lol at TDs overrated. It's all that matters. And honestly being on a crappy team doesn't help an argument, it means he will get a lot more chances to catch passes.

Both are awesome, it's a toss up. Saying CJ and it's not even close is ridiculous. You need a TD, you want Moss. And that means a lot.

Amaso
10-28-2013, 03:14 PM
I have Moss as the greatest ever but Calvin has me reconsidering tbh. Dude is so physically gifted it isn't fair.

Fthepolicepigs
10-28-2013, 03:18 PM
Lol at TDs overrated. It's all that matters. And honestly being on a crappy team doesn't help an argument, it means he will get a lot more chances to catch passes.

Both are awesome, it's a toss up. Saying CJ and it's not even close is ridiculous. You need a TD, you want Moss. And that means a lot.


Its true everytime moss lined up he was a touchdown threat he was so much of a threat that he made every wr that he played with better because they would be usually wide open. Moss is the 2nd best wr of all time and calvin is just a pesent that benifits from the new rules.

IraHays
10-28-2013, 03:21 PM
Its true everytime moss lined up he was a touchdown threat he was so much of a threat that he made every wr that he played with better because they would be usually wide open. Moss is the 2nd best wr of all time and calvin is just a pesent that benifits from the new rules.

Guess you missed the "both are awesome" part. CJ would have been fun to watch in the 80's. He would have been funking up those CBs trying to maul him.

TheThrill1
10-28-2013, 03:31 PM
Flacco...??
He has a stronger arm but that's about it. He's inconsistent as can be...at least with Stafford you know he's going to be slinging it and he can keep it up.


About the same completion rate and passer rating(career). Main difference is Flacco has been to the playoffs every year and won the superbowl last year while throwing 11 tds and 0 ints during the playoffs.



None of these are better than Stafford NOW. Use the eye test.
This year rivers has a better td/int ratio while averaging over 10% more completions and ypc. Flacco won a SB last year. Eli and Ben are having bad years so far but still have 2 rings a piece. Luck turned a like 2-14 team into a playoff team his Rookie year.

On top of that, none of these qbs have Megatron to chuck it up to and pray. What is Stafford without him?



this is by far the dumbest post I have seen in this thread.

Please, elaborate.

Margzz
10-28-2013, 03:41 PM
Lol at people dissing Stafford ITT, don't you realize he's the perfect QB for a WR like Megatron? Great zip, incredible arm and not afraid to throw into triple coverage to Megatron. People act like he'd be better with a tom brady but only Favre would be insane enough to attempt some of the throws Stafford does.

aestheticsGSF
10-28-2013, 03:44 PM
Lol at people dissing Stafford ITT, don't you realize he's the perfect QB for a WR like Megatron? Great zip, incredible arm and not afraid to throw into triple coverage to Megatron. People act like he'd be better with a tom brady but only Favre would be insane enough to attempt some of the throws Stafford does.

2-27 against teams above .500 pls

Brady threw 20tds to randy moss. You are autistic

Margzz
10-28-2013, 03:56 PM
2-27 against teams above .500 pls

Brady threw 20tds to randy moss. You are autistic

how is that related to what I said? I said Stafford right now is the perfect QB for Megatron,wins are irrelevant to this discussion

2013 brady won't take the shots Stafford does

aestheticsGSF
10-28-2013, 04:23 PM
how is that related to what I said? I said Stafford right now is the perfect QB for Megatron,wins are irrelevant to this discussion

2013 brady won't take the shots Stafford does

Yes he would he has literally noone to throw to. Brady has the most tds ever in a season and most to ine reciever. Please whipe stafford jizz off your eyes sir.

I'm using stats your just saying he's good because he has stronger arm dosent matter when you have the ****tiest accuracy. Shows how good calvin is to deal with this terrible qbs he has just like randy moss did till tom brady.

He is not perfect for him he misses a lot on throws brady would make

HTownOlajuwon
10-28-2013, 05:40 PM
Came in expecting the first pic, as it's the only **** people will post when comparing Megatron to any other WR. Moss burned by his coverage, yet some of you want to penalize him for that. Righttttt.......
Huh? moss never dealt with that coverage in the end zone. It was why Moss got more TDs.

dex26
10-28-2013, 05:47 PM
Huh? moss never dealt with that coverage in the end zone. It was why Moss got more TDs.

Exactly. Calvin was the 1st ever to see redzone coverage like he does. Just like Cris Collinsworth said in the playoff game vs saints. He said he has never seen that coverage. Then other teams have copied that and tried it against Gonzalez this year.

hublife
10-28-2013, 05:49 PM
For one season I'm taking Johnson. For a career I'm taking Rice... by a mile.

5x10
10-28-2013, 05:49 PM
Lol at people dissing Stafford ITT, don't you realize he's the perfect QB for a WR like Megatron? Great zip, incredible arm and not afraid to throw into triple coverage to Megatron. People act like he'd be better with a tom brady but only Favre would be insane enough to attempt some of the throws Stafford does.some truth to this, staffords willing to gamble where a veteran qb might not be willing to role dice

lee4
10-28-2013, 05:50 PM
1. Learn you read. I never mentioned anything about Rice in my post.

2. It wasn't the end of the fourth quarter, so maybe you should learn some basic math and time skills. It was an eight minute drive that started in the THIRD quarter, and Gibbs had absolutely no problem with it.

3. The two players they quoted in article did not represent the entire Redskins team. After the game, there were many players that said they would have felt worse if the Patriots settled for a FG there instead of going for it as it would look worse for Washington if their opponent was throwing them a bone.


So, once again, show me the two minute drills they were running at the end if the 4th quarter (your words) or just stop posting. Oh, and it's clear you don't watch the NFL.

Pad's...Po-tay-toe.

The CLAIM is that they ran up scores and padded stats. I've validated that. The off-the-cuff hyperbolic comparison was that they did "two-min drills til the clocks expired", roughly.

You have yet to address my claim and have celebrated victory in refuting hyperbole. Congrats?

My CLAIM that the Patriots padded stats and ran up scores is true.



Imagine this conversation...

Person A: Nate Robinson is one of the shortest people to ever win the dunk contest, he's a midget who is like four feet tall.

Person B: Nuh-uh... Nate Robinson is 5'9'', moran! Go learn rudimentary english standards of measure!!


Psst...you, you're person B.

Babyframes
10-28-2013, 05:55 PM
this has been pointed out several times. why is no one pointing out that calvin had John Kitna and Drew Stanton throwing to him for 2 years, was drafted by Matt Millen onto the Matt Millen Lions, and played on the the worst roster in NFL history for several years? Despite that, he has never complained.

http://i.imgur.com/qb4Bish.gif%5B

EastCoastNiner
10-29-2013, 08:24 AM
The CLAIM is that they ran up scores and padded stats. I've validated that. The off-the-cuff hyperbolic comparison was that they did "two-min drills til the clocks expired", roughly.

You have yet to address my claim and have celebrated victory in refuting hyperbole. Congrats?

My CLAIM that the Patriots padded stats and ran up scores is true.



Imagine this conversation...

Person A: Nate Robinson is one of the shortest people to ever win the dunk contest, he's a midget who is like four feet tall.

Person B: Nuh-uh... Nate Robinson is 5'9'', moran! Go learn rudimentary english standards of measure!!


Psst...you, you're person B.


You really need to learn how to read and construct a proper sentence.

You originally said "pats were padding all season that year." That is a DIRECT statement. You then changed it to some garbage about people claiming that they ran up the score. That's not playing semantics at all, as the first comment you made was YOUR opinion, and now you're just trying to source other peoples opinions. Good try though...notsrs.

Show me (I've already seen them) the drives that the Patriots were airing it out at the end of the fourth quarter in games that season? You can claim that's hyperbole all you want, but the only hyperbole you MAY have been using was the two-minute drill. This isn't nit-picking as you were trying to make a point that has little evidence to support it.


Anyways, we'll see how Megatron does in two weeks when he plays a real CB again, one that has shut him down the majority of the times they have faced each other.

Nitty87
10-29-2013, 12:41 PM
****ing LUL at tom terrific response to MOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Nitty87
10-29-2013, 12:44 PM
valid argument about ****ttttyyyyy qbs calvin johnson played with

iMakeItRain100s
10-29-2013, 12:51 PM
How quickly ppl forget how amazing Moss was. Just because Collinsworthless says he's never seen something doesn't mean it never happened. You think teams allowed Moss, Owens, Rice, Irving and the like to see single coverage in the red zone? "Oh hey Moss is leading the league in touchdowns this year, I think ill set one corner on him and hope he doesn't catch it"

Said no coach ever

GODLE
10-29-2013, 01:21 PM
Exactly. Calvin was the 1st ever to see redzone coverage like he does. Just like Cris Collinsworth said in the playoff game vs saints. He said he has never seen that coverage. Then other teams have copied that and tried it against Gonzalez this year.

The first time I seen that coverage was on Fitz against the chiefs when Todd Haley was there. I think that was before Calvin.