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IDrinkBloodLOL
09-17-2013, 11:50 PM
How do the various types of Islam treat pornography?

Is it a transgression to view or possess it?
Is it a transgression to masturbate to it?
Is it a transgression to participate in its production in any way?

I'm assuming the answers to the above will be "yes," but I wanted to make sure.

What are the prescribed punishments for these transgressions in Islam?

Tonyahu
09-18-2013, 12:01 AM
Sex with 7 year old Aisha

uwootm8
09-18-2013, 12:12 AM
You should pose this question to a scholar, not misc brahs here.

Islamic law says that zina is a punishable offense. If you are married its punishment is death, and if not, lashings (I think).

However it is incredibly difficult to get convicted. Pretty much impossible, actually, from what I know the people who were punished for it during the Prophet's time confessed they did it. You need four, upright, trustworthy people to have seen you have sex with a woman outside wedlock- not sleep in bed with one, not kiss one etc, but actually have intercourse with one. Basically the chances are none. But the second way is to get convicted yourself, and then the judge is supposed to ignore you until you keep persisting, and then try to talk you out of it, and if you still want to go ahead with it you can get punished. Having that in mind,

Okay so basically offense 1) and 2) is not zina, since that means literally having sex with another outside wedlock, NOT looking at it/getting off to it.

However 3) would depend on what you're doing. If you're participating in the act of sex, and there are four witnesses, who are trustworthy and NOT known to be flagrant sinners then it's enough to get you convicted. However the problem here is that it seems the only way to get witnesses to this act would be people who are watching pornography... and, if that counts as flagrant sinning, their testimony doesn't count.

I don't know the punishment for running a business based on this or contributing to it financially.

You should ask someone more knowledgeable. Perhaps kurd4evah.

boseador
09-18-2013, 02:29 AM
If you are a Muslim you are allowed to marry 4 women and have as many concubines as you can afford. You could have 20 women to have sex with, why would you want porn?

ZioBot
09-18-2013, 03:17 AM
If you are a Muslim you are allowed to marry 4 women and have as many concubines as you can afford. You could have 20 women to have sex with, why would you want porn?
Porn doesnt answer back

boseador
09-18-2013, 04:02 AM
Porn doesnt answer back

Muslim women don't either.

Muslim men are allowed by Allah to beat their wives.

eltigar
09-18-2013, 05:07 AM
Muslim women don't either.

Muslim men are allowed by Allah to beat their wives.

did your father beat your mother?
is that why you are messed up?

boseador
09-18-2013, 05:24 AM
did your father beat your mother?
is that why you are messed up?

Are you saying that Mohammed was a psychopath that was abandoned by his mother, since he was a little child, hence why he insults and demeans women?

metroins
09-18-2013, 05:27 AM
Thread is bringing the lulz.

ZioBot
09-18-2013, 05:42 AM
Muslim women don't either.

Muslim men are allowed by Allah to beat their wives.Porn doesn't say "can you pick the kids up from my mums on your way home?"

boseador
09-18-2013, 05:51 AM
Porn doesn't say "can you pick the kids up from my mums on your way home?"

If a Muslim man beats his wife enough she would never say something like this.

It's classical Islamic conditioning or Mohammedan conditioning.

Woman says something -> man beats her.

Woman associates asking the man for something with pain and fear. So she learns that she must not ask her husband anything.

ZioBot
09-18-2013, 06:19 AM
If a Muslim man beats his wife enough she would never say something like this.

It's classical Islamic conditioning or Mohammedan conditioning.

Woman says something -> man beats her.

Woman associates asking the man for something with pain and fear. So she learns that she must not ask her husband anything.but muslim man beats muslim woman for driving.. so how do the kids ever get collected from her mums?

boseador
09-18-2013, 06:33 AM
but muslim man beats muslim woman for driving.. so how do the kids ever get collected from her mums?

Granny brings them home.

JonathanRhimes
09-18-2013, 11:34 AM
Lol the fact that somewhere people are still fighting porn never ceases to amuse. Especially since countries with porn hanging off every newsstand sell much less than areas where it is taboo/verboten.

illriginalized
09-18-2013, 12:38 PM
did your father beat your mother?
is that why you are messed up?

I think he was touched.. by a gang.. of something.

Personally I think he's just another strong-frauding troll.

Tonyahu
09-18-2013, 01:53 PM
lol @ angry muzzy butthurt comments. I apologize guys, it was a joke I didn't mean to make you cry every time!

ImproperOne
09-18-2013, 02:10 PM
lol @ angry muzzy butthurt comments. I apologize guys, it was a joke I didn't mean to make you cry every time!

She was 9 and they all accept that it's a-ok with Allah for 40+ year old men to bang 9 year olds so it's no joke.

boseador
09-18-2013, 02:34 PM
She was 9 and they all accept that it's a-ok with Allah for 40+ year old men to bang 9 year olds so it's no joke.

50+

ImproperOne
09-18-2013, 03:58 PM
50+

That too. ;)

Flakker
09-18-2013, 04:10 PM
You should pose this question to a scholar, not misc brahs here.

Islamic law says that zina is a punishable offense. If you are married its punishment is death, and if not, lashings (I think).

However it is incredibly difficult to get convicted. Pretty much impossible, actually, from what I know the people who were punished for it during the Prophet's time confessed they did it. You need four, upright, trustworthy people to have seen you have sex with a woman outside wedlock- not sleep in bed with one, not kiss one etc, but actually have intercourse with one. Basically the chances are none. But the second way is to get convicted yourself, and then the judge is supposed to ignore you until you keep persisting, and then try to talk you out of it, and if you still want to go ahead with it you can get punished. Having that in mind,

Okay so basically offense 1) and 2) is not zina, since that means literally having sex with another outside wedlock, NOT looking at it/getting off to it.

However 3) would depend on what you're doing. If you're participating in the act of sex, and there are four witnesses, who are trustworthy and NOT known to be flagrant sinners then it's enough to get you convicted. However the problem here is that it seems the only way to get witnesses to this act would be people who are watching pornography... and, if that counts as flagrant sinning, their testimony doesn't count.

I don't know the punishment for running a business based on this or contributing to it financially.

You should ask someone more knowledgeable. Perhaps kurd4evah.

ISP, browser company and 1 or 2 host sites should cover it.

Kurd4evah
09-20-2013, 03:47 PM
Are you talking 'afterlife' punishment or 'worldly'?

IDrinkBloodLOL
09-20-2013, 03:58 PM
Are you talking 'afterlife' punishment or 'worldly'?

Both actually. I want to know the extent to which pornography is discouraged by Islam.

uwootm8
09-20-2013, 04:26 PM
Are you talking 'afterlife' punishment or 'worldly'?

Kurd4evah was I correct in my post? I'm only basing this on what I heard from speakers such as yusha evans but he's not a scholar...

boseador
09-20-2013, 04:40 PM
Kurd4evah was I correct in my post? I'm only basing this on what I heard from speakers such as yusha evans but he's not a scholar...

Do you agree that anything to do with porn falls into the category of "fasad", in Islam?

uwootm8
09-20-2013, 05:28 PM
Both actually. I want to know the extent to which pornography is discouraged by Islam.

Just curious btw, why do you want this information?

IDrinkBloodLOL
09-20-2013, 05:54 PM
Just curious btw, why do you want this information?

Is there any reason I shouldn't be able to have it?

I am very anti-pornography and am part of a religion that condemns it hard. In a nutshell, the harsher Muslims are on porn, the more I will like them.

I posted this thread as an olive branch towards Islam, handing Muslims a golden opportunity to convince me to like them.

Posthardcore
09-20-2013, 05:58 PM
Is there any reason I shouldn't be able to have it?

I am very anti-pornography and am part of a religion that condemns it hard. In a nutshell, the harsher Muslims are on porn, the more I will like them.

I posted this thread as an olive branch towards Islam, handing Muslims a golden opportunity to convince me to like them.

Obviously, by consuming porn you're encouraging extra-marital sexual relationships (zina), so it is sinful to watch porn in Islam. Correct me, anyone, if I'm wrong. On the other hand, I've heard that it is not sinful to jerk off if it prevents you from having extramarital sex (jerking off =/= watching porn though).

uwootm8
09-20-2013, 06:44 PM
Is there any reason I shouldn't be able to have it?

I am very anti-pornography and am part of a religion that condemns it hard. In a nutshell, the harsher Muslims are on porn, the more I will like them.

I posted this thread as an olive branch towards Islam, handing Muslims a golden opportunity to convince me to like them.

K brah, was just curious.

Islam's stance on this:

SS8ZEBr6sKo

_AdaM_
09-20-2013, 07:20 PM
Porn and fapping is wrong in Islam opie... we're on the same boat on that

Posthardcore
09-20-2013, 07:23 PM
Porn and fapping is wrong in Islam opie... we're on the same boat on that

You're sure fapping is wrong?

nohomobrah
09-20-2013, 07:29 PM
If you are a Muslim you are allowed to marry 4 women and have as many concubines as you can afford. You could have 20 women to have sex with, why would you want porn?

I want to enhance my jacking off sesh, not have a bunch of kids lol.

Why would I want bacon, weed, beer, porn, and sluts when I could instead feel the glory of Allah through Sharia law?

Because I'm not ****ing retarded. Quit trying to take a **** on the west using freedoms we proudly allow and don't expect back in your barbarian countries.

nohomobrah
09-20-2013, 07:32 PM
Is there any reason I shouldn't be able to have it?

I am very anti-pornography and am part of a religion that condemns it hard. In a nutshell, the harsher Muslims are on porn, the more I will like them.

I posted this thread as an olive branch towards Islam, handing Muslims a golden opportunity to convince me to like them.

Lol mormons.

Caffiene + porno police

I would lol so hard if prohbition ever came into effect on those, like I would ever stop doing any drugs or watching porn for some religious moron. Oh oops I meant to say mormon.

If I was ever arrested for having a cup of coffee or my naughty america collection because of a bunch of mormon/muslim retards in my vicinity I would immediately get bailed out and go up to the mosque then the church of latter day saints and just beat some prohibitionists to death with a baseball bat.

It's not like you could actually effectively catch people for those, but honestly, mind your own ****ing business. (You won't and you describe american freedom as having the right to not have people around you living freely. Eat **** and die rofl)

As soon as any of these bans ever (in reality never) go into effect I will upload videos of myself jacking off onto your religious book of choice and it will be sent to every extremists mailbox. If I can trace you well enough or you get detective'd I will send you a dvd and vhs copy with express shipping.


Sex with 7 year old Aisha

Who needs porno when you can rape little kids and call them war sex slaves or just shove them to the back of your mormon compound.

There is nothing wrong with regular sex or imagining having regular sex. I like to jack off and smoke weed, I AM SATAN, HEAR ME ROAR!

tk217
09-20-2013, 07:42 PM
K brah, was just curious.

Islam's stance on this:

SS8ZEBr6sKo

????

How can he claim "you can't lower your eyes."

You can always move to Iran.

nohomobrah
09-20-2013, 07:44 PM
^ Seriously, if these laws are so important then move to where they are taken seriously by the masses.

The public is changing on marijuana and didn't tolerate alcohol prohibition.

If you try to make caffeine, sex, and wanking to porn crimes you can expect resistance and mass disapproval from the (western) masses. Also pictures of my dick EVERYWHERE, your family and parents will not be spared.

uwootm8
09-20-2013, 08:01 PM
????

How can he claim "you can't lower your eyes."

You can always move to Iran.

No thanks jeff

tk217
09-20-2013, 08:01 PM
No thanks jeff

Then you agree with me. You can lower your eyes - you aren't wanting too.

uwootm8
09-20-2013, 08:10 PM
Then you agree with me. You can lower your eyes - you aren't wanting too.

Wut?

He's just repeating what some youth say to him (i.e. I can't stop looking at xyz on the internet!!!)

Apparently porn addiction is serious business though

yourbrainonporn.com

tk217
09-20-2013, 08:16 PM
Wut?

He's just repeating what some youth say to him (i.e. I can't stop looking at xyz on the internet!!!)

Apparently porn addiction is serious business though

yourbrainonporn.com

That doesn't mean you can't completely leave society and avoid it entirely.

So, if what he is repeating as far as the "youth" say this (which is bull **** to say it is just young people) is not reasonable as far as excuses go. If these people want to be "real muslims" (scotsman fallacy) they can move out to the middle of no where and cut all communication with the world too if they can't show any level of will power.

Bemoaning that they exist in society where it is prevalent is annoying though - do not try to force your religion on me. You will get a very avid response.

uwootm8
09-20-2013, 08:21 PM
That doesn't mean you can't completely leave society and avoid it entirely.

So, if what he is repeating as far as the "youth" say this (which is bull **** to say it is just young people) is not reasonable as far as excuses go. If these people want to be "real muslims" (scotsman fallacy) they can move out to the middle of no where and cut all communication with the world too if they can't show any level of will power.

Bemoaning that they exist in society where it is prevalent is annoying though - do not try to force your religion on me. You will get a very avid response.


Wtf mate? Did you watch the whole video? What are we even discussing?

tk217
09-20-2013, 08:23 PM
Wtf mate? Did you watch the whole video? What are we even discussing?

I did, did you? We're talking about a man bitching about porn and then bitching about his brothers in religion telling him to "deal with it" and then him bitching about how society needs to change to save souls.

uwootm8
09-20-2013, 08:26 PM
I did, did you? We're talking about a man bitching about porn and then bitching about his brothers in religion telling him to "deal with it" and then him bitching about how society needs to change to save souls.

He was giving advice to the Muslims to lower their gaze and stop looking at filth, and also gave the Islamic perspective on stuff... I don't get what's there to object about the video

tk217
09-20-2013, 08:32 PM
He was giving advice to the Muslims to lower their gaze and stop looking at filth, and also gave the Islamic perspective on stuff... I don't get what's there to object about the video

Exactly what I objected too is what there is to object about the video.

_AdaM_
09-20-2013, 11:41 PM
You're sure fapping is wrong?

I'm pretty sure fapping is wrong in Islam.

Only when you're about to commit sex outside marriage is adviced to fap since it's lesser sin.

IDrinkBloodLOL
09-21-2013, 12:24 AM
"No Homo Brah," I'm not sure what cause you're trying to represent but whatever it is, you're making it look bad.

...You know, with all of your overflowing molten rivers of volcanic butthurt.

boseador
09-21-2013, 04:13 AM
Since Uwootm8 didn't respond to me (i think he put me on ignore), I will answere OP's question.

Anything un-Islamic is considered Fasad. For example, eating pork and selling it in shops, selling and consuming alcohol, spreading un-islamic ideas such as evolution, or atheism, worshipping other than Allah, etc.

From the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, "fasad fi al-ard" (mischief or corruption in the land/on earth) is the act of disobedience to God:


In his Tafsir, As-Suddi said that Ibn `Abbas and Ibn Mas`ud commented,... As for,("Do not make mischief on the earth [fasad]), that is disbelief and acts of disobedience. Abu Ja`far said that Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that Abu Al-`Aliyah said that Allah's statement,(And when it is said to them: "Do not make mischief on the earth [fasad],), means, "Do not commit acts of disobedience on the earth. Their mischief is disobeying Allah, because whoever disobeys Allah on the earth, or commands that Allah be disobeyed, he has committed mischief (fasad) on the earth. Peace on both the earth and in the heavens is ensured (and earned) through obedience (to Allah). Ar-Rabi` bin Anas and Qatadah said similarly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasad

Now, according to the Quran; Muslims should kill, crucify, mutilate or exile those who commit fasad on the earth. Anything to do with porn is un-Islamic and considered fasad, therefore all those who use porn, produce it, etc, should be killed, crucified, mutilated or exiled.

(5:33-34) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption [fasad] is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Kurd4evah
09-21-2013, 10:54 AM
Kurd4evah was I correct in my post? I'm only basing this on what I heard from speakers such as yusha evans but he's not a scholar...

The legal penalty for fornication
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=4208&CATE=42


Both actually. I want to know the extent to which pornography is discouraged by Islam.

I don't know how pornography would exist under Sharia, and I don't know of worldly punishment if there is one.

As for after life, it varies.

The one I've heard for masturbation is, the hand you used will be pregnant in a sense etc.

ZioBot
09-21-2013, 11:25 AM
Is there any reason I shouldn't be able to have it?

I am very anti-pornography and am part of a religion that condemns it hard. In a nutshell, the harsher Muslims are on porn, the more I will like them.

I posted this thread as an olive branch towards Islam, handing Muslims a golden opportunity to convince me to like them.

they'd cut your head off for being mormon, so why the olive branch? mormons are almost muslims bar the title. just lose the mormon title and convert if you want to be warm and cosy with them, no?

IDrinkBloodLOL
09-21-2013, 11:44 AM
they'd cut your head off for being mormon, so why the olive branch? mormons are almost muslims bar the title. just lose the mormon title and convert if you want to be warm and cosy with them, no?

I'm not leaving my religion, guy.

I think I'll make a thread for you asking you a few questions as well, my own olive branch towards you and other zionists.

ZioBot
09-21-2013, 12:43 PM
I'm not leaving my religion, guy.

I think I'll make a thread for you asking you a few questions as well, my own olive branch towards you and other zionists.we've got olives. what else you got? apart from no porn?

IDrinkBloodLOL
09-21-2013, 12:49 PM
we've got olives. what else you got? apart from no porn?

I've made your thread. I hope to see some good responses in there from you.