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ZioBot
09-15-2013, 06:04 AM
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The Syrian government has welcomed the international agreement struck on chemical weapons disarmament as "a victory" for the regime.

"On one hand, it helps the Syrians emerge from the crisis and on the other it has allowed for averting war against Syria," Syrian minister of state for national reconciliation Ali Haidar said in an interview with Russian news agency Ria Novosti.

"It's a victory for Syria that was achieved thanks to our Russian friends."

He gave Syria's first reaction to the newly-brokered US and Russian plan as warplanes and artillery bombarded rebel-held areas of Damascus.

Mr Haidar said the agreement would prepare the ground for peace talks between President Bashar al Assad's forces and the rebels.

But the rebels have called the international focus on poison gas a sideshow, and dismissed talk the plan might herald peace talks. They said Mr Assad had stepped up an offensive with ordinary weaponry now the threat of US air strikes had receded.

US President Barack Obama welcomed the nine-month disarmament plan, calling it an "important, concrete step", but warned that "if diplomacy fails, the United States remains prepared to act".

The US and Russia have given Syria seven days to submit a "comprehensive list" of its chemical weapons - otherwise, the US will seek a UN resolution that could still authorise strikes.

On their final day of talks in Geneva, US Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announced that once the details had been handed over the Assad regime would have until November to allow UN inspectors access to the sites.

Destruction of the regime's chemical weapons must then be complete by mid-2014. Syria has previously said it would need a month to hand over initial details of its weapons stash.

Mr Lavrov and Mr Kerry also told journalists their teams of experts had reached "a shared assessment" of President Bashar al Assad's existing stockpile.

The US has estimated that Syria possesses around 1,000 metric tonnes of various chemical agents, including mustard and sarin gas, sulfur and VX.

The Russian estimates were initially much lower, according to US officials, but Mr Kerry said the two countries had reconciled their different assessments.

A US official told reporters that Washington believed there were 45 sites across Syria linked to the country's chemical weapons programme.

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http://news.sky.com/story/1142001/syria-chemical-weapons-deal-a-victory

Dave22reborn
09-15-2013, 10:32 AM
Isn't there a civil war still going on?

Spartan5364
09-15-2013, 10:35 AM
It is a victory because the US can't invade now to overthrow him

LukeLissen
09-15-2013, 11:12 AM
It is a victory because the US can't invade now to overthrow him

An invasion to overthrow Assad was not in the works. Just 'downgrading the regime'(destroying his ability to wage war by destroying planes, tanks, helicopters, artillery) and 'upgrading the opposition'(with better weapons) is all it would take, and is what has been planned.

Although the timetable has been pushed back, I do believe it will still happen.

ScumOfTheEarth
09-15-2013, 11:14 AM
he just bought himself little time, hes a criminal, he will do a mistake its inevitable, a strike is waiting to happen

TranceNRG
09-15-2013, 11:17 AM
http://humboldtsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/GB-mission-accomplished.jpg

Tekkendo
09-15-2013, 11:24 AM
It is a victory because the US can't invade now to overthrow him

Plus he just went from being called a Hitler and deserved to be bombed to ' a reasonable guy we can do business with to get rid off CW'

Heck, it looks like the Nobel Peace Prize for him next !!

Tekkendo
09-15-2013, 11:31 AM
he just bought himself little time, hes a criminal, he will do a mistake its inevitable, a strike is waiting to happen

The momentum for strike is lost. If Obama wasn't man enough to do it back then, he sure as hell isn't going to do it ever. Assad is going to go through the motion and drags this out till Obama is history. The oldest trick in the book of rogue regime. That is why both the Russians and Assad jumped at the chance when they saw Kerry goofed.

LukeLissen
09-15-2013, 11:36 AM
he just bought himself little time, hes a criminal, he will do a mistake its inevitable, a strike is waiting to happen

My thoughts exactly.

Way too many people are claiming this is over way too soon. Assad cannot be trusted and will not live up to his requirements.

-- This is a man whose family has been supplying Hezbollah(a terrorist org) for over 25 years now, and now uses Hezbollah to fight against citizens inside Syria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

-- This is a man who has committed numerous blatant war crimes in Syria, including the numerous intentional slaughters of innocent men, women, and children, and who bombs hospitals, schools, and bakeries and the like to intentionally attack citizens. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156806513

-- This is a man who helped hide Iraq's WMD's when he knew the international community was looking for them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_conjecture_in_the_aftermath_of_the_2003_invasi on_of_Iraq#Syria


-- This is a man who the current UN chief has said repeatedly has "committed crimes against humanity."
http://www.france24.com/en/20130913-un-ban-says-assad-committed-crimes-against-humanity
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420510/Syrian-dictator-Bashar-Assad-IS-guilty-crimes-humanity-says-UN-chief-Ban-Ki-Moon.html


The US gov knows Assad is a stupid man who has done very stupid and horrendous things and will continue to do so until he is stopped by force. Those who think this is over are sorely mistaken. I can confidently say that Assad's days in power are numbered and that the Syrian National Coalition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_for_Syrian_Revolutionary_and_Op position_Forces) will take things from there in creating a very beneficial Syrian secular democracy.

This will allow the US and allies to get better intel on where the WMD's are in the meantime.

Spartan5364
09-15-2013, 11:57 AM
An invasion to overthrow Assad was not in the works. Just 'downgrading the regime'(destroying his ability to wage war by destroying planes, tanks, helicopters, artillery) and 'upgrading the opposition'(with better weapons) is all it would take, and is what has been planned.

Although the timetable has been pushed back, I do believe it will still happen.

I think Obama and the US will lose just because they got involved.
If the strikes did happen it would be a loss because most people were against them.
If Obama simply steps up the assistance for Al Qaeda then this will be pointed out to the American people eventually.

For now Assad can continue fighting off the rebels. Obama essentially did not change a thing. Other than a promise that in the future they will get rid of chemical weapons.

Roke
09-15-2013, 12:32 PM
he just bought himself little time, hes a criminal, he will do a mistake its inevitable, a strike is waiting to happen

As opposed to any other country on the planet. What about your government and all the wonderful things they've done?

LukeLissen
09-15-2013, 12:54 PM
I think Obama and the US will lose just because they got involved.
If the strikes did happen it would be a loss because most people were against them.
If Obama simply steps up the assistance for Al Qaeda then this will be pointed out to the American people eventually.

For now Assad can continue fighting off the rebels. Obama essentially did not change a thing. Other than a promise that in the future they will get rid of chemical weapons.

You do not understand what a 'loss' or a 'win' would be. The only thing that determines a win or loss in this game is whether Assad and Co stays or goes, and that game is far from over.

and Obama is not assisting al-Qaeda, but is opposing them. The only assistance is being given to the Syrian National Coalition and those fighting under them, which excludes al-Qaeda.

LukeLissen
09-15-2013, 12:56 PM
and if this- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156962543 proves true, then Assad will have broken his agreements in less than several days and all bets are off again.

iStinkFist
09-15-2013, 01:00 PM
My thoughts exactly.

Way too many people are claiming this is over way too soon. Assad cannot be trusted and will not live up to his requirements.

-- This is a man whose family has been supplying Hezbollah(a terrorist org) for over 25 years now, and now uses Hezbollah to fight against citizens inside Syria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

-- This is a man who has committed numerous blatant war crimes in Syria, including the numerous intentional slaughters of innocent men, women, and children, and who bombs hospitals, schools, and bakeries and the like to intentionally attack citizens. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156806513

-- This is a man who helped hide Iraq's WMD's when he knew the international community was looking for them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_conjecture_in_the_aftermath_of_the_2003_invasi on_of_Iraq#Syria


-- This is a man who the current UN chief has said repeatedly has "committed crimes against humanity."
http://www.france24.com/en/20130913-un-ban-says-assad-committed-crimes-against-humanity
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420510/Syrian-dictator-Bashar-Assad-IS-guilty-crimes-humanity-says-UN-chief-Ban-Ki-Moon.html


The US gov knows Assad is a stupid man who has done very stupid and horrendous things and will continue to do so until he is stopped by force. Those who think this is over are sorely mistaken. I can confidently say that Assad's days in power are numbered and that the Syrian National Coalition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coalition_for_Syrian_Revolutionary_and_Op position_Forces) will take things from there in creating a very beneficial Syrian secular democracy.

This will allow the US and allies to get better intel on where the WMD's are in the meantime.

Who new John McCain himself was an active member of the bodybuilding.com forums.

ScumOfTheEarth
09-15-2013, 01:54 PM
As opposed to any other country on the planet. What about your government and all the wonderful things they've done?

my government?

Mulyark
09-15-2013, 01:58 PM
http://humboldtsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/GB-mission-accomplished.jpg


You need a new calendar brah

http://libertymaven.com/wp-content/uploads/obama-mission-accomplished.jpg

ZioBot
09-15-2013, 02:01 PM
I think Obama and the US will lose just because they got involved.
If the strikes did happen it would be a loss because most people were against them.
If Obama simply steps up the assistance for Al Qaeda then this will be pointed out to the American people eventually.

For now Assad can continue fighting off the rebels. Obama essentially did not change a thing. Other than a promise that in the future they will get rid of chemical weapons.yep. makes you think although he will be emboldened by the russians, at what point they'll drop him.

they'll be looking for the next replacement to assad if they have any sense, which i don't doubt.

Mulyark
09-15-2013, 02:08 PM
yep. makes you think although he will be emboldened by the russians, at what point they'll drop him.

they'll be looking for the next replacement to assad if they have any sense, which i don't doubt.

I'm betting that Putin will try to rehabilitate him just like everyone did with Gaddafi. That prospect gives Assad all the more reason to hold chem weapons in reserve to force yet another deal after he survives this civil war.

ZioBot
09-15-2013, 02:11 PM
I'm betting that Putin will try to rehabilitate him just like everyone did with Gaddafi. That prospect gives Assad all the more reason to hold chem weapons in reserve to force yet another deal after he survives this civil war.if this happens, the UN should be chemically attacked by us all.

Mulyark
09-15-2013, 02:21 PM
if this happens, the UN should be chemically attacked by us all.

Why waste good roach spray? Just nuke the fukker. :p

ZioBot
09-15-2013, 02:23 PM
Why waste good roach spray? Just nuke the fukker. :pi'd like to banish ban ki moon to the moon

Mulyark
09-15-2013, 02:25 PM
i'd like to banish ban ki moon to the moon

I'd like to strap him to a North Korean Taepodong-2 missile and fire his sorry azz 200 miles short of the Japanese Mainland.

hardestgainer
09-15-2013, 02:40 PM
Ya what an *******, what type of chitty leader goes to war against islamic terroists who want to overthrow him. I mean its not like the rebels are beheading everyone they can who has different religious views than them, have access to chemical weapons themselves, or are funded by the same people who funded the Muslim Brotherhood to overthrow Egpyt which resulted in tens of thousands of people being murdered for their religious beliefs....The egyptian people still love America right now for the help we gave, right?

ZioBot
09-15-2013, 02:49 PM
Ya what an *******, what type of chitty leader goes to war against islamic terroists who want to overthrow him. its possible to view them all with utter contempt. that said, assad > al qaeda, but lets not pretend he hasn't brutally murdered anyone. i dunno what the answer is but you can't allow his crimes to go unpunished.

LukeLissen
09-15-2013, 02:55 PM
Ya what an *******, what type of chitty leader goes to war against islamic terroists who want to overthrow him.

/\ This is the most widespread lie Ive seen on the net since it started.

The war started when Assad started killing unarmed, noncombatant pro-democracy demonstrators with bullets and bombs and started bombing whole neighborhoods where they lived. Assad is the worst terrorist of all by far!

If you dont believe me, thats cool, but I come with proof in the form of a thread thats been at this forum since the started:

from Apr 2011 when this all started:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=134026961

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/thousands-call-assad-overthrow-syria-funeral-134306459.html

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad faced dissent within government ranks with more than 200 members of his Baath Party resigning and signs of discontent within the army over the violent repression of pro-democracy protests.

Two hundred party members from Deraa province and surrounding regions resigned on Wednesday after the government sent in tanks to crush resistance in the city of Deraa. At least 35 civilians were killed in the attack, rights groups said.

Diplomats said signs were also emerging of discontent within the army where the majority of troops are Sunni Muslims, but most officers belong to the same minority Alawite sect as Assad.

Assad sent the ultra-loyal Fourth Mechanized Division, commanded by his brother Maher, into Deraa on Monday. Reports from opposition figures and Deraa residents, which could not be confirmed, said that several soldiers from another unit had refused to fire on civilians.

"The largest funerals in Syria so far have been for soldiers who have refused to obey orders to shoot protesters and were summarily executed on the spot," a senior diplomat said.







AND The UN, Human Rights watch, and Amnesty International have each declared the vast majority of human rights violations documented in Syria, including numerous international crimes, have been committed by the Syrian military and security forces and their allied militia. The violations are considered by many to be so serious, deliberate, and systematic as to constitute crimes against humanity and war crimes.
If you are going to openly resist action in Syria, then you must know whats going on.




AND The Assad family has been supporting that terrorism you talk about in the form of Hezbollah for over 25 years now.






The amount of lies being told about this issue has reached a fever pitch.

TheNarrative
09-15-2013, 03:13 PM
"It's a victory for Syria that was achieved thanks to our Russian friends."

Muslims actually believe the Russians are their friends? Haha, yes they do, I see all kinds of things on Facebook with them kissing Putin's ass and attacking Obama.

Where was Putin when Saddam and Gaddafi fell?

And what of the Chechens, Ingush and Dagestanis? I've seen Muslims proclaim that Putin is not a man to make an enemy with, and I'm sure those Muslim peoples I've listed can attest to that.

They are only supporting Syria due to their own interests (which is largely to be a pain in the ass for the US, plus they have a base there and they have lucrative oil deals with Syria's ally, Iran). Plain and simple.

It's the same with China and it's crackdown on Xinjiang. The silence from the Muslim World is deafening. Could it because they are desperate for Chinese investment?

hardestgainer
09-15-2013, 03:21 PM
/\ This is the most widespread lie Ive seen on the net since it started.

The war started when Assad started killing unarmed, noncombatant pro-democracy demonstrators with bullets and bombs and started bombing whole neighborhoods where they lived. Assad is the worst terrorist of all by far!

If you dont believe me, thats cool, but I come with proof in the form of a thread thats been at this forum since the started:

from Apr 2011 when this all started:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=134026961








AND The UN, Human Rights watch, and Amnesty International have each declared the vast majority of human rights violations documented in Syria, including numerous international crimes, have been committed by the Syrian military and security forces and their allied militia. The violations are considered by many to be so serious, deliberate, and systematic as to constitute crimes against humanity and war crimes.
If you are going to openly resist action in Syria, then you must know whats going on.

AND The Assad family has been supporting that terrorism you talk about in the form of Hezbollah for over 25 years now.

The amount of lies being told about this issue has reached a fever pitch.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/61295/media-tells-us-that-syria-used-chemical-weapon-but-look-what-the-un-says

^Senior UN official says evidence points to the rebels using the sarin gas, which has been well documented they have easy access to. Also there is plenty of evidence that the rebels have committed numerous war crimes themselves, like beheading innocent people on video.

http://rt.com/news/chemical-weapons-rebels-captives-632/
^heres where the hostages from Europe of Syrian rebels told the media they heard rebels talking about how they used the chemical weapons to draw US military to take action.
http://i41.tinypic.com/rlicgp.jpg

Even if you were correct, which is debatable at best, I still wouldnt support doing anything against Assad, pretty sure we've got enough chit to deal with. We dont need to babysit the fcuking world 24/7 nor are we in a position to do so. And again, look at what happened to Egypt after we got involved and helped the Muslim Brotherhood rise to power, there's a reason the people in Egypt want obama arrested

Mulyark
09-15-2013, 03:25 PM
It's the same with China and it's crackdown on Xinjiang. The silence from the Muslim World is deafening. Could it because they are desperate for Chinese investment?

Yep, exactly. China's biggest panda-licking fans are the Pakistanis. They LOVE China, not least because they see China as ultimately destroying their hated enemy the USA. China also provides much of the capital fueling construction booms in places like Dubai that employ thousands of poverty-stricken Pakistani slave laborers. All those remittances plus a few advanced weapon systems have these guys hooked on Chinese geostrategic opium.

Too bad China is has a real estate bubble that makes ours look like a used car loan gone bad. And it's crashing their banking system right now...

Mulyark
09-15-2013, 03:28 PM
http://www.policymic.com/articles/61295/media-tells-us-that-syria-used-chemical-weapon-but-look-what-the-un-says

^Senior UN official says evidence points to the rebels using the sarin gas, which has been well documented they have easy access to. Also there is plenty of evidence that the rebels have committed numerous war crimes themselves, like beheading innocent people on video.

http://rt.com/news/chemical-weapons-rebels-captives-632/
^heres where the hostages from Europe of Syrian rebels told the media they heard rebels talking about how they used the chemical weapons to draw US military to take action.
http://i41.tinypic.com/rlicgp.jpg

Even if you were correct, which is debatable at best, I still wouldnt support doing anything against Assad, pretty sure we've got enough chit to deal with. We dont need to babysit the fcuking world 24/7 nor are we in a position to do so. And again, look at what happened to Egypt after we got involved and helped the Muslim Brotherhood rise to power, there's a reason the people in Egypt want obama arrested

Nice photoshopped picture. And citing RT (Russia Today) as any kind of reliable news source instantly invalidates anything you post.

Tekkendo
09-15-2013, 03:34 PM
Muslims actually believe the Russians are their friends? Haha, yes they do, I see all kinds of things on Facebook with them kissing Putin's ass and attacking Obama.

Where was Putin when Saddam and Gaddafi fell?

And what of the Chechens, Ingush and Dagestanis? I've seen Muslims proclaim that Putin is not a man to make an enemy with, and I'm sure those Muslim peoples I've listed can attest to that.

They are only supporting Syria due to their own interests (which is largely to be a pain in the ass for the US, plus they have a base there and they have lucrative oil deals with Syria's ally, Iran). Plain and simple.

It's the same with China and it's crackdown on Xinjiang. The silence from the Muslim World is deafening. Could it because they are desperate for Chinese investment?


^^ right on.

TheNarrative
09-15-2013, 03:42 PM
Yep, exactly. China's biggest panda-licking fans are the Pakistanis. They LOVE China, not least because they see China as ultimately destroying their hated enemy the USA. China also provides much of the capital fueling construction booms in places like Dubai that employ thousands of poverty-stricken Pakistani slave laborers. All those remittances plus a few advanced weapon systems have these guys hooked on Chinese geostrategic opium.

Too bad China is has a real estate bubble that makes ours look like a used car loan gone bad. And it's crashing their banking system right now...

The funny thing is that although the Chinese PM for example will visit Pakistan (unlike Obama), the last time he visited the Chinese disappointed the Pakistanis by not offering any new investment. In fact, they cancelled a huge mining project due to the security sitation there. They only signed MOUs, essentially. They know it's a hellhole in which they would be throwing their money away, see Gwadar. On top of it being a wasted investment, Baloch separatists and Muslim extremists target Chinese workers and kill them. They've expressed extreme discontent over that issue and have warned Pakistan that if they allow any support for Uighur separatists on its soil, there will be severe consequences.

They have some cooperation in the field of helping Pakistan build obsolete JF-17 planes, for example. But that's just because they want to use Pakistan as a proxy against their main concern, India. Even during the new Pakistani PM's recent visit to China, all they did was talk about linking Gwadar with Xianjing. Which has been talked about for decades now!

Mulyark
09-15-2013, 04:06 PM
The funny thing is that although the Chinese PM for example will visit Pakistan (unlike Obama), the last time he visited the Chinese disappointed the Pakistanis by not offering any new investment. In fact, they cancelled a huge mining project due to the security sitation there. They only signed MOUs, essentially. They know it's a hellhole in which they would be throwing their money away, see Gwadar. On top of it being a wasted investment, Baloch separatists and Muslim extremists target Chinese workers and kill them. They've expressed extreme discontent over that issue and have warned Pakistan that if they allow any support for Uighur separatists on its soil, there will be severe consequences.

They have some cooperation in the field of helping Pakistan build obsolete JF-17 planes, for example. But that's just because they want to use Pakistan as a proxy against their main concern, India. Even during the new Pakistani PM's recent visit to China, all they did was talk about linking Gwadar with Xianjing. Which has been talked about for decades now!

And yet the aspirational model for Pakistanis is China. After all, China is where all the shiny new stuff is: airports, trains, skyscrapers you name it. But the Chinese have always been conservative with the money they invest abroad. They would rather finance a $40 billion canal in Nicaragua than a mining project in Pak, especially when they're already sucking Australia dry with minimal risk.

As for weapons, there is a Chinese deal to sell Pakistan a nuclear sub. China is leery about things like missiles and aircraft because it impacts their relationship with the US and India (China may not like India but they wouldn't do anything to disrupt commerce in the region). Chinese workers are under attack from Africa to the Mekong Delta and as has been seen, China does little to protect them so no one takes warnings about that seriously.

TheNarrative
09-15-2013, 04:25 PM
And yet the aspirational model for Pakistanis is China. After all, China is where all the shiny new stuff is: airports, trains, skyscrapers you name it.

And they are also atheist who violently crackdown on Muslims. Despite this, 90% of Pakistanis have a favorable view of China.

But like you said, there is also shiny new things in Dubai due to Chinese, American and European investment. But most of those shiny buildings are empty and were built by slave labor. Srs, the Arabs treat people from South Asia like garbage.


But the Chinese have always been conservative with the money they invest abroad. They would rather finance a $40 billion canal in Nicaragua than a mining project in Pak, especially when they're already sucking Australia dry with minimal risk.
True. Trade between the countries is $9 billion, which is peanuts.


As for weapons, there is a Chinese deal to sell Pakistan a nuclear sub. China is leery about things like missiles and aircraft because it impacts their relationship with the US and India (China may not like India but they wouldn't do anything to disrupt commerce in the region).
They also help build nuclear plants in Pakistan but they aren't very large. And they obviously helped them develop their ballistic and nuclear arsenal. But like I said, this was because they want to thwart India. They did fight a war against them in 1962 in which they won easily, so they have a history. Plus India supports the Dalai Lama. Not to say they are hostile anymore, though, and India is a good place to invest.


Chinese workers are under attack from Africa to the Mekong Delta and as has been seen, China does little to protect them so no one takes warnings about that seriously.

Yes but that threat about allowing any help for the Uighur rebels is pretty serious. I know China does not care about a dozen or so poor workers being killed as they are easily replaceable.