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MikeJones77
08-11-2013, 02:42 PM
#1
http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung

sups31
08-11-2013, 02:47 PM
kershaw's to lose.

dweeegs
08-11-2013, 03:06 PM
No worries he'll win the Rolaids Relief Man award

AmazinJason
08-11-2013, 03:31 PM
lol @ cy predictor

i don't know what's worse: the fact that you think it is an accurate measure of success or the fact that you think kimbrel should be the cy young

Reptarr
08-11-2013, 03:32 PM
They are pretty neck and neck.. but lettuce be cereal the guy from los angeles will win 99/100 for an award voted upon by the media

Phil9
08-11-2013, 03:33 PM
Yup, Kershaw will win it, especially if the Dodgers maintain their playoff spot.

AmazinJason
08-11-2013, 03:35 PM
They are pretty neck and neck.. but lettuce be cereal the guy from los angeles will win 99/100 for an award voted upon by the media
oh how clueless you are.

no one gives a PHUCK about west coast teams because nobody on the east coast even watches their games. when kershaw plays a large majority of his games in the pacific time zone, and those games don't end until 12:30 am at the EARLIEST on the east coast, you really think the guys on the east coast are going to have an accurate idea of how good kershaw truly is when they watch him pitch maybe 5 times per year?

kershaw got robbed of the cy young last season by dickey because he was the "better story" and he was an east coast player and kershaw will have "more opportunities to win it again in the future while this might be dickey's last chance". he might get robbed again by harvey this season. he should have 2 cy young awards now, going for his 3rd, back to back to back.

it's not because he's from los angeles that he would beat out kimbrel. it's because he is easily the best pitcher in the NL, if not baseball. and to even think that a relief pitcher could win the award when there are pitchers having historic seasons like kershaw with 4x the workload of kimbrel is a joke. plz go.

STA1011
08-11-2013, 03:35 PM
They are pretty neck and neck.. but lettuce be cereal the guy from los angeles will win 99/100 for an award voted upon by the media

Oh really ? Tell that to Matt Kemp, and Kershaw last year


And lol at saying they're neck n neck. Kershaw is light years ahead of everybody at this point for CY Young



And holy crap, did not know Scherzer was already 17-1

Phil9
08-11-2013, 03:42 PM
Oh really ? Tell that to Matt Kemp, and Kershaw last year


And lol at saying they're neck n neck. Kershaw is light years ahead of everybody at this point for CY Young



And holy crap, did not know Scherzer was already 17-1


Just looked at Scherzer's picture on espn. WTF is up with his eyes?

STA1011
08-11-2013, 04:14 PM
Just looked at Scherzer's picture on espn. WTF is up with his eyes?

He's got 2 different color eyes. I forget what the disorder, or whatever it is, is called

sandpapergooch
08-11-2013, 04:19 PM
lol at all you idiots. Harvey is the cyyoung winner right now it really isn't that close

sircharles032
08-11-2013, 04:25 PM
lol at all you idiots. Harvey is the cyyoung winner right now it really isn't that close

Kershaw has been as good if not better and is on a winning team. Harvey has been incredible but let's not put the cart ahead of the horse.

LostOne287
08-11-2013, 04:32 PM
And holy crap, did not know Scherzer was already 17-1

Yeah I'm sure it doesn't help that he leads all of baseball in run support with 6 f*cking runs a game.

sandpapergooch
08-11-2013, 04:35 PM
Kershaw has been as good if not better and is on a winning team. Harvey has been incredible but let's not put the cart ahead of the horse.

his team being good has nothing to do with the cyyoung if anything that takes away from his season. Harveys war, fip, xfip are better then anyone elses in baseball.

MikeJones77
08-11-2013, 05:05 PM
matt harvey hype is so last half

sandpapergooch
08-11-2013, 05:09 PM
matt harvey hype is so last half

2-1 /0.91era /.60whip

in the 2nd half

AmazinJason
08-11-2013, 07:18 PM
his team being good has nothing to do with the cyyoung if anything that takes away from his season. Harveys war, fip, xfip are better then anyone elses in baseball.
let's use ERA for WAR, and not FIP. kershaw war 6.0, harvey war 5.6. try again.

MikeJones77
08-11-2013, 08:32 PM
kimbrels second half stats so far

10 saves
0 era
18k
.9 whip

Mac_xX
08-11-2013, 08:37 PM
That whole list for both leagues is a mess. How awful.

melanimal_old
08-11-2013, 08:39 PM
LOL Joe Nathan number 2. This is s hit.

bn7
08-11-2013, 08:40 PM
howaboutnophaggot.jpg

Kershaw or Harvey will and should win.

BenadrylBandit
08-11-2013, 09:20 PM
Another quality homer thread from MikeJones77


He's got 2 different color eyes. I forget what the disorder, or whatever it is, is called

Heterochromia iridum

phaggot

Shegotaway
08-11-2013, 09:23 PM
kimbrel will never and should never win a cy young. if he pitched as a starter he wouldnt last 5 innings before being shelled. pls go

sandpapergooch
08-11-2013, 09:32 PM
let's use ERA for WAR, and not FIP. kershaw war 6.0, harvey war 5.6. try again.

http://s24.postimg.org/wj9csh4ut/harveybendskershawover_copy.jpg

mayweathermusic
08-11-2013, 09:53 PM
lol @ cy predictor

i don't know what's worse: the fact that you think it is an accurate measure of success or the fact that you think kimbrel should be the cy young

Joe Nathan ahead of King Felix. Mike Minor ahead of Harvey. Seems legit.

AmazinJason
08-11-2013, 10:32 PM
http://s24.postimg.org/wj9csh4ut/harveybendskershawover_copy.jpg
Lol, you are so dumb. You don't even KNOW how WAR is calculated yet you are spouting it off as if you do. The fact that you posted that picture in response to my post shows your lack of understanding. Heck, I doubt you even know how FIP or xFIP are calculated. Bet you are scrambling to fangraphs right now to find out.

Two main differences between fangraphs and baseball-reference's WAR: fangraph uses FIP and UZR, baseball-reference uses ERA and BR. While both FG and BR have their weaknesses, the main weakness for fangraphs is that for award purposes, FIP is a rather poor metric to use. FIP tells us what should have been. ERA tells us what really happened. At the end of the day, when handing out awards, things like ERA (for pitching) and batting average (for hitting) should be used, not FIP and BABIP. Yes, luck does factor into the numbers, and when you are trying to say what should have happened, it is very useful to look at FIP and BABIP. When handing out awards, you look at what actually happened.

Kershaw WAR using BR: 6.0
Harvey WAR using BR: 5.6

aCb123
08-11-2013, 10:43 PM
Harvey won't win the cy because the mets are doing a 6 man rotation to limit his innings. unless Kershaw starts getting lit up he won't win it due to the fact that Kershaw will have 30-40 more innings pitched than him.

Also the only way a reliever would win the cy young is if there were no dominant pitchers in the league and he was having an INSANE year.

sandpapergooch
08-11-2013, 10:58 PM
Lol, you are so dumb. You don't even KNOW how WAR is calculated yet you are spouting it off as if you do. The fact that you posted that picture in response to my post shows your lack of understanding. Heck, I doubt you even know how FIP or xFIP are calculated. Bet you are scrambling to fangraphs right now to find out.

Two main differences between fangraphs and baseball-reference's WAR: fangraph uses FIP and UZR, baseball-reference uses ERA and BR. While both FG and BR have their weaknesses, the main weakness for fangraphs is that for award purposes, FIP is a rather poor metric to use. FIP tells us what should have been. ERA tells us what really happened. At the end of the day, when handing out awards, things like ERA (for pitching) and batting average (for hitting) should be used, not FIP and BABIP. Yes, luck does factor into the numbers, and when you are trying to say what should have happened, it is very useful to look at FIP and BABIP. When handing out awards, you look at what actually happened.

Kershaw WAR using BR: 6.0
Harvey WAR using BR: 5.6


So what your saying is harvey is the superior pitcher except for his slightly higher era. Kershaws gonna be real salty losing the cy young award to a Met two years in a row



Harvey won't win the cy because the mets are doing a 6 man rotation to limit his innings. unless Kershaw starts getting lit up he won't win it due to the fact that Kershaw will have 30-40 more innings pitched than him.

Also the only way a reliever would win the cy young is if there were no dominant pitchers in the league and he was having an INSANE year.


Mets arent going to a 6 man rotation seeing as how that 6th man just went on the dl.

AmazinJason
08-12-2013, 12:00 AM
So what your saying is harvey is the superior pitcher except for his slightly higher era. Kershaws gonna be real salty losing the cy young award to a Met two years in a row





Mets arent going to a 6 man rotation seeing as how that 6th man just went on the dl.
You are an idiot, and you keep proving it in this thread. Strong fail trying to bring up WAR with me without even understanding what the stat entails. Phucking dumbass.

As someone else stated, Kershaw will most likely finish with 30-40 more innings than Harvey, WHILE having a better ERA. Stay mad. Kershaw = best pitcher in the league. Get over it.

Your manager has already stated multiple times that Harvey is on an innings cap. If that cap is 210 innings, he only has 50 innings left. Kershaw is on pace for 250+ innings right now.

taxe91
08-12-2013, 12:15 AM
Kimbrel is about as likely to win the AL cy as he is the NL one

ShweezyBTFO
08-12-2013, 05:43 AM
Lol, you are so dumb. You don't even KNOW how WAR is calculated yet you are spouting it off as if you do. The fact that you posted that picture in response to my post shows your lack of understanding. Heck, I doubt you even know how FIP or xFIP are calculated. Bet you are scrambling to fangraphs right now to find out.

Two main differences between fangraphs and baseball-reference's WAR: fangraph uses FIP and UZR, baseball-reference uses ERA and BR. While both FG and BR have their weaknesses, the main weakness for fangraphs is that for award purposes, FIP is a rather poor metric to use. FIP tells us what should have been. ERA tells us what really happened. At the end of the day, when handing out awards, things like ERA (for pitching) and batting average (for hitting) should be used, not FIP and BABIP. Yes, luck does factor into the numbers, and when you are trying to say what should have happened, it is very useful to look at FIP and BABIP. When handing out awards, you look at what actually happened.

Kershaw WAR using BR: 6.0
Harvey WAR using BR: 5.6
Ready to hang yourself on the 15th?

Forumite
08-12-2013, 06:08 AM
If he didn't win it last year then a closer never will.

Forumite
08-12-2013, 06:10 AM
lol @ cy predictor

i don't know what's worse: the fact that you think it is an accurate measure of success or the fact that you think kimbrel should be the cy young

I think it's time for you to change your tampon.

airdog93
08-12-2013, 09:55 AM
kimbrels second half stats so far

10 saves
0 era
18k
.9 whip

jason grilli>edward mujica>balfour>kimbrel


deal with this years top 3 closers

MikeJones77
08-12-2013, 02:06 PM
kimbrel has better numbers that eckersley and he won cy young and mvp

AmazinJason
08-13-2013, 11:11 PM
What's new: Kershaw widens the gap between himself and the only other legitimate contender for Cy Young, Matt Harvey.

bostonambrose
08-14-2013, 01:49 AM
Kershaw wins Cyyoung for the NL hands down. 1.88 ERA is just disgusting

Forumite
08-14-2013, 05:30 AM
kimbrel will never and should never win a cy young. if he pitched as a starter he wouldnt last 5 innings before being shelled. pls go

that's most relievers phaggot

AmazinJason
08-18-2013, 07:10 PM
Lol, even with the poverty Cy Predictor that favors relief pitchers:

Kershaw: 154.9
Kimbrel: 142.6

Where you at now with Cy Predictor?

Regardless:

Kershaw: 6.7 WAR
Harvey: 5.4 WAR (not including today's poverty start)

ShweezyBTFO
08-18-2013, 07:13 PM
Lol, even with the poverty Cy Predictor that favors relief pitchers:

Kershaw: 154.9
Kimbrel: 142.6

Where you at now with Cy Predictor?

Regardless:

Kershaw: 6.7 WAR
Harvey: 5.4 WAR (not including today's poverty start)

You're still alive?

xxsupergman25xx
08-18-2013, 10:04 PM
Kimbrel is about as likely to win the AL cy as he is the NL one

LOL this!

Kershaw is all but 100% guaranteed it. Only Francisco Liriano has a very slim, outside chance of possibly winning it. He would have to basically finish the season though with about 8 wins and have a sub 2.2 ERA doing it and the pirates would have to be in the playoffs.

Forumite
08-18-2013, 10:10 PM
jason grilli>edward mujica>balfour>kimbrel


deal with this years top 3 closers

This is pretty fuking stupid, even for a red.

xxsupergman25xx
08-18-2013, 10:11 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1208411/kershaw.gif

AmazinJason
08-18-2013, 10:34 PM
LOL this!

Kershaw is all but 100% guaranteed it. Only Francisco Liriano has a very slim, outside chance of possibly winning it. He would have to basically finish the season though with about 8 wins and have a sub 2.2 ERA doing it and the pirates would have to be in the playoffs.
I agree about the Kershaw part, but confused about your last sentence. This is Kershaw's award to lose. Regardless of whether Liriano ends up with a lower ERA than Kershaw or not, Kershaw will still come out on top because of his workload. Liriano can settle with the comeback player of the year award.

ShweezyBTFO
08-18-2013, 11:07 PM
This is pretty fuking stupid, even for a red.

yup. LMFAO he put mujica above kimbrel! LMAO!

IDontPlay247
08-19-2013, 12:41 AM
What's new: Kershaw widens the gap between himself and the only other legitimate contender for Cy Young, Matt Harvey.


Adam Wainwright would like a word....


still plenty of season left before we start crowning cy young winners.

AmazinJason
08-19-2013, 07:17 PM
Adam Wainwright would like a word....


still plenty of season left before we start crowning cy young winners.
LOL Wainwright. He's been eliminated from the race for the past few weeks now. Homers gon' homer.

lee__d
08-19-2013, 08:12 PM
Just looked at Scherzer's picture on espn. WTF is up with his eyes?
heterochromia iridum
http://www.everseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/max.jpg


http://24.media.tumblr.com/5b855aee11bccb20ed71366b1ac90429/tumblr_miudqsB7Tj1rjcapzo1_1280.jpg

broboma2012
08-20-2013, 11:38 AM
I agree about the Kershaw part, but confused about your last sentence. This is Kershaw's award to lose. Regardless of whether Liriano ends up with a lower ERA than Kershaw or not, Kershaw will still come out on top because of his workload. Liriano can settle with the comeback player of the year award.

aka pitcher who moved to the NL award

MikeJones77
08-21-2013, 09:10 PM
http://espn.go.com/mlb/history/leaders/_/type/pitching

AmazinJason
08-22-2013, 08:04 PM
GOAT gon' GOAT. Cy Young race is all but decided now. Let's move on to something more exciting and less predictable, like the NL MVP. Can that be Kershaw too?

MikeJones77
08-22-2013, 09:34 PM
GOAT gon' GOAT. Cy Young race is all but decided now. Let's move on to something more exciting and less predictable, like the NL MVP. Can that be Kershaw too?

freddie freeman