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sourmash1973
07-10-2013, 04:55 PM
Stats:
5'9"
214 Lbs
19% BF
40 yrs old

I did the following for cardio:

3 mph warm-up: 5 min
7 mph run: 10 min
4 mph walk: 5 min
7 mph run: 5 min
4 mph cool-down: 5 min

Total Time: 30 min

My max heart rate was around 165

My total calories burned came out to be 385.

Does my calories burned total seem accurate? Is there any way to know if it's accurate? Thanks for constructive replies.

unleashthelion
07-10-2013, 05:01 PM
"Stats:
5'9"
214 Lbs
19% BF"

Not at all.

dmacdonal9
07-10-2013, 05:01 PM
Seems about right. There are lots of calorie calculators for running and walking, and those are going to be pretty accurate, just because they are so well tested. It's the less common types of cardio or the ones where the intensity can vary that are less accurate.

But if you cover a given distance at a run or a walk, the calories burned are pretty well known.

sourmash1973
07-10-2013, 05:10 PM
"Stats:
5'9"
214 Lbs
19% BF"

Not at all.


Explain please

sourmash1973
07-10-2013, 05:11 PM
Seems about right. There are lots of calorie calculators for running and walking, and those are going to be pretty accurate, just because they are so well tested. It's the less common types of cardio or the ones where the intensity can vary that are less accurate.

But if you cover a given distance at a run or a walk, the calories burned are pretty well known.

Thanks man. Your info is always useful.

unleashthelion
07-10-2013, 06:01 PM
Explain please

The odds of you being 19% at your age and height are between slim and none.

How did you come up with 19%?

sourmash1973
07-10-2013, 06:24 PM
The odds of you being 19% at your age and height are between slim and none.

How did you come up with 19%?

Body fat calipers and estimated but if not there, I'm damn close. I don't see what my age has to do with it. You've never seen me in person. You don't know how I'm built. LOL...but I don't need validation from you. Come back and see my after pics once I get to 12% and then we'll discuss it again.

deadliftdang
07-10-2013, 06:31 PM
If anything it is underestimating IMO.

Brad805
07-10-2013, 06:41 PM
Not trying to be rude, but I would ballpark your LBM lower than 173lb. I would believe 140 - 155lb from your pics. 5'-9" with 173lb lean mass looks a bit more defined than you. Regardless, it is what it is. Keep working till you like what is starring back at you in the mirror.

sourmash1973
07-10-2013, 07:14 PM
Not trying to be rude, but I would ballpark your LBM lower than 173lb. I would believe 140 - 155lb from your pics. 5'-9" with 173lb lean mass looks a bit more defined than you. Regardless, it is what it is. Keep working till you like what is starring back at you in the mirror.

I don't find it rude at all. I find it motivating.

JohnSmeton
07-10-2013, 07:17 PM
I wouldnt worry about counting the amount. I used to , its too complicated lol, just get in there , set a time limit and give it your all

have you tried intervual 3 minutes very hard , and sometimes hard as possible!, and 2 minutes walk , then 3 minutes hard as you can then walk and back and forth for 40 minutes. Intervual like this keeps the heartrate up and down and has been shown to burn more fat. Moreover, how your doing ti is fine, just wanted to suggest you give this way a try

unleashthelion
07-10-2013, 07:35 PM
Body fat calipers and estimated but if not there, I'm damn close. I don't see what my age has to do with it. You've never seen me in person. You don't know how I'm built. LOL...but I don't need validation from you. Come back and see my after pics once I get to 12% and then we'll discuss it again.

Brad suggests that you are between 28-35% and you didn't find it rude, but you get all defensive with me?

Like Brad said, you're a lot higher in body fat than 19%. Nothing wrong with it; it could be helpful to be honest with yourself so you don't get discouraged when it takes longer to get to 12% than you'd expect for a person who is really at 19%.

cyco85
07-10-2013, 07:43 PM
Yohimbine + Caffeine my average HR is 170 just walking 3.5 mph on max incline lol. I usually max out at around 240 BPM. #madcalorieburnbrah

sourmash1973
07-10-2013, 08:26 PM
Brad suggests that you are between 28-35% and you didn't find it rude, but you get all defensive with me?

Like Brad said, you're a lot higher in body fat than 19%. Nothing wrong with it; it could be helpful to be honest with yourself so you don't get discouraged when it takes longer to get to 12% than you'd expect for a person who is really at 19%.

Sorry, didn't mean to be a D. We'll just agree to disagree and I'll use this as motivation. Those pics are old now too. I am MOST DEFINITELY not 28-35%. No way!!!

By the way, what offended me about your post was the age comment. But I over reacted.

Wadecounty7
07-10-2013, 08:59 PM
Sorry, didn't mean to be a D. We'll just agree to disagree and I'll use this as motivation. Those pics are old now too. I am MOST DEFINITELY not 28-35%. No way!!!

By the way, what offended me about your post was the age comment. But I over reacted.

He's just being realistic, I think most of us underestimate our body fat early on, especially when we're on the bigger side. I'm 5'10'' and was probably 30% body fat or so at the start of my cut, at 195 pounds. To be 214 and 19%, you'd have to have a TON of muscle underneath, you would look super ripped when finished cutting. Which, if that is the case, awesome! But if not, it helps to acknowledge so you don't get discouraged when you hit 185 and realize you still need to lose another 20 pounds to look good.

dmacdonal9
07-11-2013, 03:40 AM
He's just being realistic, I think most of us underestimate our body fat early on, especially when we're on the bigger side. I'm 5'10'' and was probably 30% body fat or so at the start of my cut, at 195 pounds. To be 214 and 19%, you'd have to have a TON of muscle underneath, you would look super ripped when finished cutting. Which, if that is the case, awesome! But if not, it helps to acknowledge so you don't get discouraged when you hit 185 and realize you still need to lose another 20 pounds to look good.

Yeah, this is why it's helpful to be careful about those estimates. We all tend to do this and then spend a lot of time and energy chasing a goal that's much further away then we thought. Either that, or completely disregard those numbers, but that's difficult to do.

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 05:08 AM
So what BF% would you all say I am? And I weighed in a little less this morning at 213.4. I just don't see that I'm 28-35%.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/cfh1973/81556091-2d7e-4c90-9e75-9fc9730819cd.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/cfh1973/media/81556091-2d7e-4c90-9e75-9fc9730819cd.jpg.html)

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 05:21 AM
Here is a current side comparison for the fun of it.

Before: 227-230

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/cfh1973/Before.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/cfh1973/media/Before.jpg.html)

Current: 213.4 (Weighed in at this, this morning.)

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/cfh1973/1b3932a9-c427-4bd5-a2b2-d74579bf27ea.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/cfh1973/media/1b3932a9-c427-4bd5-a2b2-d74579bf27ea.jpg.html)

dmacdonal9
07-11-2013, 05:28 AM
So what BF% would you all say I am? And I weighed in a little less this morning at 213.4. I just don't see that I'm 28-35%.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/cfh1973/81556091-2d7e-4c90-9e75-9fc9730819cd.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/cfh1973/media/81556091-2d7e-4c90-9e75-9fc9730819cd.jpg.html)

How long have you been training (lifting)?

MrM27
07-11-2013, 05:41 AM
I would say you are in that 23% range.

Still a little bit away from 19% but definitely not 28-35%. Regardless of where you actually are I think it's best to not even put to much thought into the number for some time. Just go hard, keep cutting and keep lifting.

Regardless of what anyone ever says never get defensive about your age. You have no idea how may 40 year old I see daily working in healthcare that wished they were in your position.

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 05:49 AM
How long have you been training (lifting)?

I've lifted on and off throughout my life from my teens but never got serious. I was a stick in high school. Right now, I'm only doing a full body dumbbell routine twice a week because my bench and weights are packed (in the process of selling our house and buying a new one). Once we get moved and I shed the rest of this fat, I'm going to jump back on SS. It's my favorite routine and I always get killer results from it. I've always been big boned and everyone is always shocked at how much I weigh because I never look like I weigh as much as I really do. Sorry, I know this is more than you asked for...LOL.

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 05:50 AM
I would say you are in that 23% range.

Still a little bit away from 19% but definitely not 28-35%. Regardless of where you actually are I think it's best to not even put to much thought into the number for some time. Just go hard, keep cutting and keep lifting.

Regardless of what anyone ever says never get defensive about your age. You have no idea how may 40 year old I see daily working in healthcare that wished they were in your position.

Yeah, I know. I usually try not to get defensive. Bad day yesterday, I guess. Thanks for the advice.

dmacdonal9
07-11-2013, 05:59 AM
I've lifted on and off throughout my life from my teens but never got serious. I was a stick in high school. Right now, I'm only doing a full body dumbbell routine twice a week because my bench and weights are packed (in the process of selling our house and buying a new one). Once we get moved and I shed the rest of this fat, I'm going to jump back on SS. It's my favorite routine and I always get killer results from it. I've always been big boned and everyone is always shocked at how much I weigh because I never look like I weigh as much as I really do. Sorry, I know this is more than you asked for...LOL.

One way to look at bodyfat and see if the numbers are reasonable is to work backwards from what an average untrained individual would be. At your height, someone completely untrained at 20% BF would weigh 180 with 144 lbs LBM (upper limit for a large frame). So if you were completely untrained, 213 would put you at 32%. If you managed to gain 20 lbs of muscle over the years, 213 would put you at 23%, which looks about right to me.

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 06:06 AM
One way to look at bodyfat and see if the numbers are reasonable is to work backwards from what an average untrained individual would be. At your height, someone completely untrained at 20% BF would weigh 180 with 144 lbs LBM (upper limit for a large frame). So if you were completely untrained, 213 would put you at 32%. If you managed to gain 20 lbs of muscle over the years, 213 would put you at 23%, which looks about right to me.

I've definitely put on 20 Lbs of muscle through the years if not more. I will get an old picture out from high school and post it up tomorrow. I'd be willing to wager I gained more than 20 Lbs. I'm not sure just how much, because unfortunately I was never serious. Back then I probably weighed around 165 with probably around 18% BF.

PhiSig2298
07-11-2013, 06:12 AM
1. It's easier to track cals going in, not going out.. Just keep diet in check and add or subtract intake

2. I'd say you're about 22-23% which isn't bad at 210+.. You've already got a better base than most of the people here that are trying to cut. Just gotta get there

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 06:19 AM
1. It's easier to track cals going in, not going out.. Just keep diet in check and add or subtract intake

2. I'd say you're about 22-23% which isn't bad at 210+.. You've already got a better base than most of the people here that are trying to cut. Just gotta get there

Thanks for the feedback. I do follow this, as in I don't eat back the calories I burn. I found it to be too counter-productive. I was just curious if what I was entering in MFP for calories burned, was accurate or even close.

PhiSig2298
07-11-2013, 06:22 AM
Thanks for the feedback. I do follow this, as in I don't eat back the calories I burn. I found it to be too counter-productive. I was just curious if what I was entering in MFP for calories burned, was accurate or even close.

Even the most accurate monitors can be up to 10% off.. Don't waste time/effort with MFP's activity stuff. Just track cals and make sure you're in a deficit. Lift heavy.

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 06:30 AM
Even the most accurate monitors can be up to 10% off.. Don't waste time/effort with MFP's activity stuff. Just track cals and make sure you're in a deficit. Lift heavy.

Thank you!

AAOBob
07-11-2013, 06:53 AM
I started my cut at 23% last year and looking I'd have to say more like 28%.

http://cfile7.uf.tistory.com/image/2249614A51A4853426EADB

My goal has kept shifting down as I see that I'm not as good as I hoped at a certain weight. There was actually a time I thought I'd be too skinny under 200 lbs. Now my realistic end point is 175 and I wouldn't be surprised if it was 170.

BACCuS91
07-11-2013, 07:04 AM
1. It's easier to track cals going in, not going out.. Just keep diet in check and add or subtract intake

^ this x 10

Use the scale each week to see what your doing and adjust your calories in as opposed to calories out. In other words don't try and adjust how many calories your burning during your workout instead adjust your intake. As long as you keep it consistent-ish wtf does it matter what you burn in a session if your losing 1-2 lbs a week? I used to try and net my calories Daily until I realized I'm essentially adding another variable(one that cant be 100% accurate) to the weight loss equation as opposed to just understanding the equation better. If that makes any sense at all lol it's early

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 07:12 AM
^ this x 10

Use the scale each week to see what your doing and adjust your calories in as opposed to calories out. In other words don't try and adjust how many calories your burning during your workout instead adjust your intake. As long as you keep it consistent-ish wtf does it matter what you burn in a session if your losing 1-2 lbs a week? I used to try and net my calories Daily until I realized I'm essentially adding another variable(one that cant be 100% accurate) to the weight loss equation as opposed to just understanding the equation better. If that makes any sense at all lol it's early

Makes perfect sense and I do exactly as you described. It was just a curiosity. :)

scots40
07-11-2013, 07:43 AM
Not sure why the hate on the OP about his BF %. 213lbs and 19% bf isn't some unheard of number. I was 18% bf at 215lbs in March. The picture of my avi is when I was 205lbs at the beginning of June and 15% bf. I haven't check my bf at my current weight but it's getting low.

To answer your question sour, as a few have said I would take the cals burned with a grain of salt on machines but the number you said sounds reasonable. Your weight loss has been steady for a while so keep it up! Cant wait to see the after pics

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 07:51 AM
Not sure why the hate on the OP about his BF %. 213lbs and 19% bf isn't some unheard of number. I was 18% bf at 215lbs in March. The picture of my avi is when I was 205lbs at the beginning of June and 15% bf. I haven't check my bf at my current weight but it's getting low.

To answer your question sour, as a few have said I would take the cals burned with a grain of salt on machines but the number you said sounds reasonable. Your weight loss has been steady for a while so keep it up! Cant wait to see the after pics

Thanks man! I will rep on recharge.

To be honest though, I do believe I'm more in the 23% range after researching a little more. Maybe a little lower. I'm not sweating it though. Gonna keep hammering it out and reap the rewards. I'm more focused and determined than I've ever been in my life to see that 12% goal.

kureransu
07-11-2013, 07:52 AM
I agree with scots. I'm 209 and in the high 18 percentile right now, and i'm only 5'8" It's all about how you mold your body.

With that said, I would start lifting seriously now while you are losing. It did absolute wonders for me coming from 380 lbs.

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 07:59 AM
I agree with scots. I'm 209 and in the high 18 percentile right now, and i'm only 5'8" It's all about how you mold your body.

With that said, I would start lifting seriously now while you are losing. It did absolute wonders for me coming from 380 lbs.

I want to but I neither have the time nor money for a gym membership. Right now I'm in the process of selling my house, so all my weights and bench are packed. As soon as I get moved, it's on!

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 08:10 AM
I wouldnt worry about counting the amount. I used to , its too complicated lol, just get in there , set a time limit and give it your all

have you tried intervual 3 minutes very hard , and sometimes hard as possible!, and 2 minutes walk , then 3 minutes hard as you can then walk and back and forth for 40 minutes. Intervual like this keeps the heartrate up and down and has been shown to burn more fat. Moreover, how your doing ti is fine, just wanted to suggest you give this way a try

I missed your post. I've been thinking of adding HIIT back in to my routine once a week. I was doing it for a while but it's a b!tch on a treadmill and its hot as hell in Texas right now.

cyco85
07-11-2013, 09:02 AM
So what BF% would you all say I am? And I weighed in a little less this morning at 213.4. I just don't see that I'm 28-35%.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/cfh1973/81556091-2d7e-4c90-9e75-9fc9730819cd.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/cfh1973/media/81556091-2d7e-4c90-9e75-9fc9730819cd.jpg.html)

When I looked like that I estimated low-20s for myself. So, I'd say low-20s.

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 09:22 AM
When I looked like that I estimated low-20s for myself. So, I'd say low-20s.

Thank you.

macsm01
07-11-2013, 09:31 AM
About 460 cals burned on the open road on flat, level ground. If you are a trained runner with an efficient stride, then less. If you lumber around like the hunch back of Notre Dame at 7 mph, quite a bit more.

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 09:40 AM
About 460 cals burned on the open road on flat, level ground. If you are a trained runner with an efficient stride, then less. If you lumber around like the hunch back of Notre Dame at 7 mph, quite a bit more.

Good, steady stride. I've got it down pretty good.

eljonno
07-11-2013, 09:48 AM
Reading this thread has reaffirmed what I already thought. I'm currently about 214 as well and carry more fat than the OP, when I was 245 I figured I was about 35-40% BF and now I figured I was about 28-30. So thanks everyone, I'm glad I haven't been lying to people.

On a side note, it's been awesome watching my calves stay the same size this whole time but slowly turn from jiggly fat to hard muscle. :D

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 09:54 AM
Reading this thread has reaffirmed what I already thought. I'm currently about 214 as well and carry more fat than the OP, when I was 245 I figured I was about 35-40% BF and now I figured I was about 28-30. So thanks everyone, I'm glad I haven't been lying to people.

On a side note, it's been awesome watching my calves stay the same size this whole time but slowly turn from jiggly fat to hard muscle. :D

Good job and keep it up. Glad my thread was useful ;)

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 03:45 PM
One way to look at bodyfat and see if the numbers are reasonable is to work backwards from what an average untrained individual would be. At your height, someone completely untrained at 20% BF would weigh 180 with 144 lbs LBM (upper limit for a large frame). So if you were completely untrained, 213 would put you at 32%. If you managed to gain 20 lbs of muscle over the years, 213 would put you at 23%, which looks about right to me.


I've definitely put on 20 Lbs of muscle through the years if not more. I will get an old picture out from high school and post it up tomorrow. I'd be willing to wager I gained more than 20 Lbs. I'm not sure just how much, because unfortunately I was never serious. Back then I probably weighed around 165 with probably around 18% BF.

As promised, here I was at 16 years old. I weighed 165 and I'm guessing I was 18% BF. I've put on a lot of muscle since then. Like the shorts? LOL

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/cfh1973/001.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/cfh1973/media/001.jpg.html)

Now:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/cfh1973/81556091-2d7e-4c90-9e75-9fc9730819cd.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/cfh1973/media/81556091-2d7e-4c90-9e75-9fc9730819cd.jpg.html)

unleashthelion
07-11-2013, 05:23 PM
Actually, you'll have a lot more LBM just due to having dozens of lbs of excess body fat; however, this is mitigated by the loss of LBM due to aging/the lowering of your test. I'll first start by saying I didn't buy the 20lbs of gained muscle through inconsistent lifting over the years; that's a heckuva lot of muscle.

All in all, this is silliness; if you want to know your BF%, pay for a Bodpod, Dexa, or Hydrostatic weighing. Without that, we're all just wasting bytes discussing this.

You look like you have great mass, but I'd be shocked if you were below 25% and I'd eat my shoe if you were under 20%.

sourmash1973
07-11-2013, 06:59 PM
Actually, you'll have a lot more LBM just due to having dozens of lbs of excess body fat; however, this is mitigated by the loss of LBM due to aging/the lowering of your test. I'll first start by saying I didn't buy the 20lbs of gained muscle through inconsistent lifting over the years; that's a heckuva lot of muscle.

All in all, this is silliness; if you want to know your BF%, pay for a Bodpod, Dexa, or Hydrostatic weighing. Without that, we're all just wasting bytes discussing this.

You look like you have great mass, but I'd be shocked if you were below 25% and I'd eat my shoe if you were under 20%.

Wow, you just can't leave me be, can you? Oh well, I'm not gonna get discouraged. I know where I'm at and where I want to be and how I'm gonna get there. I'm doing great in my fat loss and keeping my muscle. Guys like you busting my 40 year old balls isn't gonna slow me down or change my mind about where I'm at. But thanks for your input, being this was supposed to be about the calories I burned in the first place.

LyssieDoll88
07-11-2013, 08:01 PM
Your Progress Is Awesome! Keep On Keepin On! !


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unleashthelion
07-11-2013, 08:30 PM
"Guys like you busting my 40 year old balls isn't gonna slow me down or change my mind about where I'm at."

Don't worry, you won't be this incredibly sensitive forever; when I started, I remember being just as butthurt when someone suggested the online calculator that put me at 35% at 350+ was inaccurate.

I don't see saying "you have a ton of mass" as busting your "40 year old balls". As for my other comments, fatter people do have more LBM, people lose LBM as they age (and their testosterone goes down), and no one puts on 20lbs of muscle without busting their ass in the gym for years while getting proper nutrition and rest.

Thanks for making this a waste of my time; you know, because of your foolish recalcitrance and all.

sourmash1973
07-12-2013, 04:35 AM
"Guys like you busting my 40 year old balls isn't gonna slow me down or change my mind about where I'm at."

Don't worry, you won't be this incredibly sensitive forever; when I started, I remember being just as butthurt when someone suggested the online calculator that put me at 35% at 350+ was inaccurate.

I don't see saying "you have a ton of mass" as busting your "40 year old balls". As for my other comments, fatter people do have more LBM, people lose LBM as they age (and their testosterone goes down), and no one puts on 20lbs of muscle without busting their ass in the gym for years while getting proper nutrition and rest.

Thanks for making this a waste of my time; you know, because of your foolish recalcitrance and all.

1.) I'm no where near sensitive. Other guys give me constructive criticism in an adult manner and I listen and apply. Look at any of my other threads or posts and you'll see that this hasn't happened with anyone else (I don't believe). You just rub me the wrong way. Oh well!

2.) I don't use an "online calculator" (I know, you were talking about you, not me). I use a digital caliper (I know, not super accurate either) and I do the test 3-4 times (which are all usually pretty close together because I'm meticulous about it) and then I figure the average. Plus, I didn't get "butthurt" because you told me I was wrong, it's the way you talk.

3.) Yeah, you say I have "great mass" but only bunched in with a bunch of condescending BS.

4.) "I" didn't waste your time, you came in here being condescending and wasted your own time. Also, I didn't see that anything you said as being guidance, so my recalcitrance was your misconception.

But anyway, now that I've defended myself to this jerk once again, someone can close this pointless thread. It's way off base at this point.

scots40
07-12-2013, 06:46 AM
"Guys like you busting my 40 year old balls isn't gonna slow me down or change my mind about where I'm at."

Don't worry, you won't be this incredibly sensitive forever; when I started, I remember being just as butthurt when someone suggested the online calculator that put me at 35% at 350+ was inaccurate.

I don't see saying "you have a ton of mass" as busting your "40 year old balls". As for my other comments, fatter people do have more LBM, people lose LBM as they age (and their testosterone goes down), and no one puts on 20lbs of muscle without busting their ass in the gym for years while getting proper nutrition and rest.

Thanks for making this a waste of my time; you know, because of your foolish recalcitrance and all.

Easy there killa. Pretty sure we are all on the same team.

AAOBob
07-12-2013, 07:38 AM
While I think the OP is high to mid 20's not low 20's, no reason to really care at this point. Plan is the same either way and if he finds out he needs to lose more, he will. I've reassessed my goals four times already myself, and at one point I was pretty wrong in my self assessment.

sourmash1973
07-12-2013, 07:44 AM
While I think the OP is high to mid 20's not low 20's, no reason to really care at this point. Plan is the same either way and if he finds out he needs to lose more, he will. I've reassessed my goals four times already myself, and at one point I was pretty wrong in my self assessment.

I hope you're wrong about the high-mid 20s but if so, I'll lose it all the same. :)

scots40
07-12-2013, 07:58 AM
I like to use this when people ask about their BF

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f3/scots40/BF_zps0226b6e0.jpg (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/scots40/media/BF_zps0226b6e0.jpg.html)

macsm01
07-12-2013, 08:14 AM
I'm a bit taller then 5'10, but probably a bit less wide. Not by much though. Hard to tell based on pic since there are no measurements. I think that you would have about 150 lbs of lean mass when all is said and done. Don't take this as I'm taking UTL's side or anything, he is right that for each .8 fat lost, .2 related tissue is lost. Going by reverse math, best estimate is 170 @ 12%. Total pounds lost 43, 34.4 fat, rest other. Plug 34.4+20.4 (fat at 170) = 54.4 fat / 213 lbs. 25.5% fat.

sourmash1973
07-12-2013, 08:18 AM
Your Progress Is Awesome! Keep On Keepin On! !


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Missed your post. Thank you so much!

unleashthelion
07-13-2013, 07:13 AM
"1.) I'm no where near sensitive. Other guys give me constructive criticism in an adult manner and I listen and apply."

If you weren't being so sensitive and defensive, you would've noticed this:

"Nothing wrong with it (being at a higher BF%); it could be helpful to be honest with yourself so you don't get discouraged when it takes longer to get to 12% than you'd expect for a person who is really at 19%."

All that matters is you get to 12%. If you stop lying to yourself and listen to what a bunch of posters are saying, instead of arrogantly ignoring it: "...isn't gonna... change my mind about where I'm at.", you will have a better chance of getting to 12%.

Don't worry about the personal attacks you made; like I said, I remember when I got all defensive when people said I was at a higher BF% than what I thought. Couldn't very well crucify you for it.

Best of luck!

cnh57811
07-13-2013, 07:23 AM
Hey, OP. Saw in one of your posts that you aren't lifting right now. Not having a gym membership doesn't mean that you can't do 'resistance training' in some form. Check out bodyweight culture dot com. Plenty of things you can do to try and hold on to as much lbm as possible. GL.

sourmash1973
07-13-2013, 08:30 AM
Hey, OP. Saw in one of your posts that you aren't lifting right now. Not having a gym membership doesn't mean that you can't do 'resistance training' in some form. Check out bodyweight culture dot com. Plenty of things you can do to try and hold on to as much lbm as possible. GL.


Must have been an older post. I do full body with dumbbells and body weight twice a week.

cnh57811
07-13-2013, 08:51 AM
Must have been an older post. I do full body with dumbbells and body weight twice a week.

Ah. nevermind then.... haha

Electricheadd
07-13-2013, 09:06 AM
For what its worth I would put you in the low 20s as well. People tend to over estimate body fat % when the person has above average muscle mass. We tend to look at your mid section for signs of abbs, love handles, chest fat. The fact is if your carrying an extra 20lbs of muscle you can be pretty soft in the mid section and still be 20% body fat. (Do the math) The vast majority of the guys asking for body fat estimates are beginners so we tend to lump everyone in the same category.

Out of curiosity what are your lifts like? Dead/Squat/Bench? You either have a significant lifting history or are just lucky genetically, because you do carry 210 lbs very well.

sourmash1973
07-13-2013, 11:06 AM
For what its worth I would put you in the low 20s as well. People tend to over estimate body fat % when the person has above average muscle mass. We tend to look at your mid section for signs of abbs, love handles, chest fat. The fact is if your carrying an extra 20lbs of muscle you can be pretty soft in the mid section and still be 20% body fat. (Do the math) The vast majority of the guys asking for body fat estimates are beginners so we tend to lump everyone in the same category.

Out of curiosity what are your lifts like? Dead/Squat/Bench? You either have a significant lifting history or are just lucky genetically, because you do carry 210 lbs very well.

Last time I did maxes was probably a year ago.

Bench 235
Squat 285
Full Dead 300

sourmash1973
07-13-2013, 11:15 AM
I'm a bit taller then 5'10, but probably a bit less wide. Not by much though. Hard to tell based on pic since there are no measurements. I think that you would have about 150 lbs of lean mass when all is said and done. Don't take this as I'm taking UTL's side or anything, he is right that for each .8 fat lost, .2 related tissue is lost. Going by reverse math, best estimate is 170 @ 12%. Total pounds lost 43, 34.4 fat, rest other. Plug 34.4+20.4 (fat at 170) = 54.4 fat / 213 lbs. 25.5% fat.

I strongly believe I have more than 150 lbs of lbm. But we'll see. Thanks for your post.

macsm01
07-13-2013, 01:30 PM
I strongly believe I have more than 150 lbs of lbm. But we'll see. Thanks for your post.

20% or so of fat related mass is lbm. You may have more than that right now, but you will lose lbm. Diameter of arms, legs, etc will shrink as you lose intramuscular fat. 3/4 an inch on arms , 1.5 on thighs, etc

kureransu
07-13-2013, 04:34 PM
I wouldn't worry about everyone's guesses. Just do your thing. you know you aren't going to stop to you have the look you want anyway, so whether or not its the body fat you think it is it won't matter if you aren't happy with the way you look. I recently had a debate about this not too long ago. I'm hold my fat in my chest lats and it sucks, but i think i'm in a pretty good spot. I've been lifting for about 4 years now, coming from 380 6 years ago. here is what i looked like at 228lbs.:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1342561/week_3.jpg (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1342561/week_3.jpg)

i want to hit 15% around 190-195. and i'm pretty sure its possible for me, even at 5'8"