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Streetbull
07-06-2013, 07:49 AM
"Involuntary part-time jobs increased by 322,000 while voluntary part-time jobs increased by another 110,000. Thus, of the 160,000 household survey gain, 486,000 of them were part-time jobs, a loss of 326,000 full-time jobs. This caused a spike of 0.5 percentage points in U6 (alternative unemployment) to 14.3%.

The Participation Rate rose 0.1 to 63.5%, 0.2 higher than the low of 63.3% dating back to 1979.

Read more at http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/07/establishment-survey-jobs-195k.html#i8kG3tDU5Aw1wQZ1.99

I simply don't get how the media and the administration can keep claiming we are in any sort of recovery. It seems that all that is being done is 'slicing the pie into thinner slices', where two people share one formerly full-time spot.

That's not a recovery in any sense.

Chowboy
07-06-2013, 08:19 AM
That is all good news for the left.

More and more people will be relying on the govt teet - food stamps, welfare, EITC...

More and more will vote for the left because of the govt's generosity.


America is soooo screwed.

Streetbull
07-06-2013, 09:48 AM
That is all good news for the left.

More and more people will be relying on the govt teet - food stamps, welfare, EITC...

More and more will vote for the left because of the govt's generosity.


America is soooo screwed.

Yep. To the Left, capitalism is unfair. If a business owner makes a million dollars while paying an employee $50,000, they see that as unfair...never realizing that the employee would starve without the person who had the incentive to have a business.

Maybe this is why two step problems in math class were so hard for these leftie folks! ;)

Chowboy
07-06-2013, 10:06 AM
Yep. To the Left, capitalism is unfair. If a business owner makes a million dollars while paying an employee $50,000, they see that as unfair...never realizing that the employee would starve without the person who had the incentive to have a business.

Maybe this is why two step problems in math class were so hard for these leftie folks! ;)

True dat. Fairness to the lib can only be described in Orwellian terms.

nutsy54
07-06-2013, 11:09 AM
Obamacare rewards companies for keeping employees under 30 hours per week... then we wonder why so many employees are starting to work less than 30 hours per week...

Another brilliant move by Congress, for passing a law with results that were obvious to anyone who read it. Oh, that's right, they didn't bother reading it first.

bailey1106
07-06-2013, 11:27 AM
Thanks obama

illriginalized
07-06-2013, 11:37 AM
Just wait until we start to see illegals working at fast food restaurants. Surely they'll have to know how to speak basic English, right?

Or are going to have to learn more languages in the name of Amnesty?

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tnel00
07-06-2013, 11:38 AM
It's about everyone contributing their fair share bro. You don't need to work 40 hours. You should share 10-12 of those hours so other people can work

bailey1106
07-06-2013, 11:40 AM
Just wait until we start to see illegals working at fast food restaurants. Surely they'll have to know how to speak basic English, right?

Or are going to have to learn more languages in the name of Amnesty?

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Isnt there a part of the new immigration bill that will give business owners a 5k tax break if they hiring people currently going through the immigration process? Good night sweet american jobs.

illriginalized
07-06-2013, 11:48 AM
Isnt there a part of the new immigration bill that will give business owners a 5k tax break if they hiring people currently going through the immigration process? Good night sweet american jobs.

Yep.. if you hire an American citizen you get penalized. And if that American citizen works more than 29 hours a week, you get even more penalties. Then you have Obamacare... if I understand correctly, pretty much you as a business owner would have to hire less than 50 illegal employees and all part time positions.



When you have the chance.. watch this, Senator Ted Cruz explains it thoroughly:

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U.S. Citizens and Legal permanent U.S. residents = penalty to any U.S. business owner

It makes me cringe.

Chowboy
07-06-2013, 12:08 PM
Just wait until we start to see illegals working at fast food restaurants. Surely they'll have to know how to speak basic English, right?

Or are going to have to learn more languages in the name of Amnesty?

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You have never been to SoCal, have you?

Ordering any fast food is a a hit or miss proposition. You can't understand them and they can't understand you.

Davdukes4
07-06-2013, 12:15 PM
All these business's who think they are being smart cutting full time positions are only going to benefit short term. The more business's remove full time jobs, the less people there are to buy. The less people buy, the smaller the sales. Viscous circle...gotta spend money to make money. The other problem is Walmart/the Internet. Lol at the wealthy who beleaf paying their employees less is good for anyone.

Chowboy
07-06-2013, 12:21 PM
All these business's who think they are being smart cutting full time positions are only going to benefit short term. The more business's remove full time jobs, the less people there are to buy. The less people buy, the smaller the sales. Viscous circle...gotta spend money to make money. The other problem is Walmart/the Internet. Lol at the wealthy who beleaf paying their employees less is good for anyone.

So under the current situation, if you have million dollar budget, what is going to get you bang for your buck?

100 full timers

120 part timers

Answer: 120 part timers. And you are still putting a million dollars into the economy and saving an extraordinary amount of over head.

Obviously, the math is more complex than that, but you get the idea

FawkinJuicy
07-06-2013, 12:47 PM
Hey, the American economy is doing great... if your lifelong ambition is to work 2 minimum wage part-time jobs at Burger King and McDonald's because of government intervention.

Realism
07-06-2013, 12:54 PM
You have never been to SoCal, have you?

Ordering any fast food is a a hit or miss proposition. You can't understand them and they can't understand you.

So that's why they make it impossible to hear the person behind the counter at Chiptole- to make it more realistic.


Yeah, it appears that workers hours were cut rather than employees only hiring part-time, which still isn't great. We saw the same pattern last year as well from May 2012-June 2012. Part-time jobs because of slack work or business conditions increases, while part time because they could only find part-time work falls. Either way, people answering "could only find part-time work" seems to be increasing every single year and it doesn't seem like it will revert to pre-recession levels anytime soon.

The number of discourage workers has increased by 206,000 since June 2012... not good either.

The new normal.

Xhat1
07-06-2013, 01:02 PM
The left feels that creating poverty is a reasonable way to fight poverty.

And the right is okay with that too.

Two wings carrying the same vulture.

Manc33
07-06-2013, 01:06 PM
If you're not jailing the bankers responsible then it will carry on indefinitely.

Xhat1
07-06-2013, 01:14 PM
If you're not jailing the bankers responsible then it will carry on indefinitely.

Why would you jail bankers?

bailey1106
07-06-2013, 01:18 PM
Why would you jail bankers?

cuz cuz cuz greed! 99%!!!

Manc33
07-06-2013, 01:20 PM
Why would you jail bankers?

They privately own the Federal Reserve therefore it is their fault, not the Government.

The Federal Reserve is not run by the Government. It is not federal, there are no reserves.

Watch a few Max Keiser videos.

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Streetbull
07-06-2013, 01:22 PM
The Republican way of getting the country out of a recession was to cut taxes and at least try and dampen the growth of regulations.

The Democrat way is to create a giant unworkable bureaucracy which gives employers incentives to employ a swarm of coolies with minimum benefits and working 28 hours per week.

And the people the Dem plan hurts the most are the people who overwhelmingly vote Democratic...young people, black people, single women. The irony here is just mind boggling.

Xhat1
07-06-2013, 01:23 PM
They privately own the Federal Reserve therefore it is their fault, not the Government.

The Federal Reserve is not run by the Government. It is not federal, there are no reserves.

Watch a few Max Keiser videos.

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I know all about the fed. The only reason the fed has any power over you is because the government allows it. The fed has no military, no federal agents, no armed marshals. There is absolutely nothing the fed can do to you.

nutsy54
07-06-2013, 01:24 PM
They privately own the Federal Reserve therefore it is their fault, not the Government.
How is the Federal Reserve (or bankers) responsible for a moronic "health care" law written by Congress, which punishes companies for each employee that works more than 30 hours per week?

illriginalized
07-06-2013, 01:25 PM
You have never been to SoCal, have you?

Ordering any fast food is a a hit or miss proposition. You can't understand them and they can't understand you.

lol I have. I was actually born in that chitty State. It's like that in South Florida too... specifically Miami. I find it disgusting when an employee doesn't speak a lick of English and gives a customer a hard time trying to communicate. That chit's common @ gas stations in Miami.

Manc33
07-06-2013, 01:25 PM
The only reason the fed has any power over you is because the government allows it.

I would argue it is the other way around. The only reason the Government has any power is because the crooks that set up things like the Federal Reserve allow it.

Who do you think funded all those weapons and so on, the public? No, the bankers, because once a war happens they come in afterwards and buy everything up for pennies on the dollar, thats not the Government doing that, it is the banks, it always is, going back 2000+ years it always is them. They have all the money.

If you want to know where the public's money goes check out Walter Burien and the "Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports exposed" video thats out there. The Government just invests the publics money and makes billions from investments all without telling people.

bailey1106
07-06-2013, 01:26 PM
They privately own the Federal Reserve therefore it is their fault, not the Government.

The Federal Reserve is not run by the Government. It is not federal, there are no reserves.

Watch a few Max Keiser videos.

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Several questions.

1. How is the federal reserve an extension of the ''bank of england that the colonists wanted freedom from''?

2. How are these bankers ''just taking all of the wealth out of the system''?

3. How the fuk did we ''start slipping back into a monarchy''?

Edit: and how does any of his rhetoric acquit the government and their the irresponsible short sighted policies that are killing jobs?

Streetbull
07-06-2013, 01:33 PM
I know all about the fed. The only reason the fed has any power over you is because the government allows it. The fed has no military, no federal agents, no armed marshals. There is absolutely nothing the fed can do to you.

The invention of the Fed was to go around the Constitution. They had to set it up in secret and present it to the country as a way to control the big banks. How ironic is that?

In honor of our beloved President....LMFAO!! :)

Manc33
07-06-2013, 01:35 PM
Several questions.

1. How is the federal reserve an extension of the ''bank of england that the colonists wanted freedom from''?

2. How are these bankers ''just taking all of the wealth out of the system''?

3. How the fuk did we ''start slipping back into a monarchy''?

1. Because it is privately owned by the old elites of Europe like Rothschild and others.

2. They just have to move money from nation to nation. One suffers, the other prospers.

3. See #1 and #2.

They have people looking in the other direction "voting" for left or right and having endless useless debates over it... when you are getting their guy regardless of which one gets voted for. Even then, rigging elections to get their favourite guy in of the two candidates isn't hard, they did it in 2000 and 2004. See BlackBoxVoting.org for details.

This is one of the best ones I have heard about the Federal Reserve...

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Streetbull
07-06-2013, 01:40 PM
The tax levels required to have a huge military-industrial complex wouldn't be tolerated by most Americans. Plus back then the USA basically wanted nothing to do with interventions and such. Fiat money (in effect, robbing the unborn and foisting debt upon them) makes creating an empire.

When this whole phony setup comes crashing down: (1) Balanced Budget Amendment (2) Term limits on Congressmen.

Anyone who suggest creating fiat money or debt or any of this BS goes to prison, where hopefully a huge fat guy sits on their face all day.

Manc33
07-06-2013, 01:45 PM
I am not preaching here but in the bible Jesus turned over the money lenders tables. It was the only time Jesus got angry, with anyone. So it was going on even back then. We think we are oh so advanced all the time but in a truly human way, we are lost compared to civilizations of the past. How else would a bunch of crooks take over?

Kennedy was the last President to actually try to go up against these people and we all know what happened to him.

nutsy54
07-06-2013, 01:50 PM
The tax levels required to have a huge military-industrial complex wouldn't be tolerated by most Americans.
It's amazing that you'll just make up whatever imaginary connection it takes to support what you want to believe...

"Defense" spending is only 22% of the Federal budget, and steadily decreasing. So by definition, any tax levels (or borrowing) are primarily to support the other 78% of spending...

Manc33
07-06-2013, 01:59 PM
"Defense" spending is 22% of the Federal budget, and steadily decreasing.

Whilst China is becoming wealthy beyond imagination as a capitalist country.

Then I guess WW3. How long that will take I don't know. 20 years. 30 years.

People in the US are too poor to buy stuff from the US (not that anyone makes anything in the US anymore apart from bespoke type stuff) and buy from China because of how cheap everything is.

The fuks at the top know what they are doing.

Once WW3 has happened there will be the US totally decimated and China 75% decimated then once more, yet again, just as history shows, the people that made the war happen (the bankers funding both sides) will simply come in and call the shots, because they have all the money. They will just buy up the US and China and have untold wealth left over.

Hopefully around that time I will be an old man and will just die before it really gets nasty (one currency, one religion, one language all under these same aristocrats).

Xhat1
07-06-2013, 02:20 PM
I would argue it is the other way around. The only reason the Government has any power is because the crooks that set up things like the Federal Reserve allow it.

Who do you think funded all those weapons and so on, the public? No, the bankers, because once a war happens they come in afterwards and buy everything up for pennies on the dollar, thats not the Government doing that, it is the banks, it always is, going back 2000+ years it always is them. They have all the money.

If you want to know where the public's money goes check out Walter Burien and the "Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports exposed" video thats out there. The Government just invests the publics money and makes billions from investments all without telling people.

The government was in place before the federal reserve so I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are a few vested interests that essentially own our government at this point but without that government they'd have no power over you at all.

They do not have any armies, federal agents, etc, of their own, and those men are the only reason the fed has any power over you.

Edit: If you think I'm trying to say these people aren't evil, don't get me wrong. The fed is made up of opportunists and scumbags. But even if you were to round them all up and execute them, they'd be replaced by men just like them, because you're not addressing the root of the problem.

frankenstein78
07-06-2013, 02:30 PM
It seems everyone here is cheering on the crap economy. Why the schadenfreude? If Romney were POTUS, this thread wouldn't exist. Get your mothaphuckin heads out of your asses and stop thinking in terms of the duopoly political system. 'Dem libs are evil.' OR 'Dem GOP are evil.' Wow, genius posts.

Perhaps something of substance, like the banks sucking up all of the capital at the expense of the unborn and enslaving young people for the rest of their lives, would be worth mentioning. Oh sorry, that's far too intellectual for most of the posters here. So what is everyone here doing to help someone else get a job?

Xhat1
07-06-2013, 02:36 PM
It seems everyone here is cheering on the crap economy. Why the schadenfreude? If Romney were POTUS, this thread wouldn't exist. Get your mothaphuckin heads out of your asses and stop thinking in terms of the duopoly political system. 'Dem libs are evil.' OR 'Dem GOP are evil.' Wow, genius posts.

Perhaps something of substance, like the banks sucking up all of the capital at the expense of the unborn and enslaving young people for the rest of their lives, would be worth mentioning. Oh sorry, that's far too intellectual for most of the posters here. So what is everyone here doing to help someone else get a job?

If Romney were president. Ha! Do you remember his 'conservative' budget, which was an increase on Obama's budget in the trillions of dollars?

We have one party in this country, and if you don't get that by now then you should get your head checked.

illriginalized
07-06-2013, 02:37 PM
It seems everyone here is cheering on the crap economy. Why the schadenfreude? If Romney were POTUS, this thread wouldn't exist. Get your mothaphuckin heads out of your asses and stop thinking in terms of the duopoly political system. 'Dem libs are evil.' OR 'Dem GOP are evil.' Wow, genius posts.

Perhaps something of substance, like the banks sucking up all of the capital at the expense of the unborn and enslaving young people for the rest of their lives, would be worth mentioning. Oh sorry, that's far too intellectual for most of the posters here. So what is everyone here doing to help someone else get a job?

Yeah we're aware of the banksters.. but this topic is more affiliated with the chit Obama's giving us.. Obamacare + Amnesty Bill.

frankenstein78
07-06-2013, 02:44 PM
We have one party in this country, and if you don't get that by now then you should get your head checked.

I laugh and shake my head when people deny that fact. The differences that do exist are only for keeping the next election in mind. The NDAA, the 40+ year drug war, suspension of most of our inalienable rights which are backed up by the Constitution: all being done with the passage via the 1 party system. The people who think the parties are very different would still believe in the Wizard of Oz after the man behind the curtain was revealed.

LizzieTish
07-06-2013, 02:46 PM
It's amazing that you'll just make up whatever imaginary connection it takes to support what you want to believe...

"Defense" spending is only 22% of the Federal budget, and steadily decreasing. So by definition, any tax levels (or borrowing) are primarily to support the other 78% of spending...
Brb there's no such thing as off-the-books black budgets that Congress isn't allowed to know about. Read a book sometime.

nutsy54
07-06-2013, 03:08 PM
It seems everyone here is cheering on the crap economy.
Wut? Nobody has cheered on anything about the economy. Every post has highlighted & criticized the mess we're in.

woofermazing
07-06-2013, 04:18 PM
All these business's who think they are being smart cutting full time positions are only going to benefit short term. The more business's remove full time jobs, the less people there are to buy. The less people buy, the smaller the sales. Viscous circle...gotta spend money to make money. The other problem is Walmart/the Internet. Lol at the wealthy who beleaf paying their employees less is good for anyone.

Right, so all we have to do is pay everyone a million bucks a year. Then we can buy all kinds of **** and our bosses will get even richer! Economics!