View Full Version : Senate Foreign Relations Committee officially votes 15-3 to arm Syrian rebels.

05-22-2013, 08:07 PM

Bill pending House and Obama.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 15-3 for legislation that would send arms to "vetted" moderate members of the Syrian opposition, the first time U.S. lawmakers have approved such military action in the two-year-old civil war.

What a ridiculously idiotic statement. What would make anyone think those arms would not leak to non "vetted moderate members," gosh darn joke. Oh wait... does this have anything to do with Russia recently supplying Assad with missiles? Are we still in a cold war with this proxy bull****?

The measure will now be considered by the full Senate, where a vocal group of legislators has been pushing for President Barack Obama to do more to help the rebels waging a war in which at least 80,000 people have died.

Only three senators on the committee - Republican Rand Paul and Democrats Tom Udall and Chris Murphy - opposed the bill. But lawmakers from both parties expressed concerns about whether sending arms risked putting powerful weapons into the wrong hands, including fighters with ties to al Qaeda.

"I don't think we know who we're arming. And the truth is, it changes every day. Sometimes resistance fighters are fighting each other," Udall said.

Which they will fall into the wrong hands... If we've learned anything. Obama has done already to much, and he shouldn't do anymore. We all know the debate about which has more control, "democracy" or dictators in the middle east. It simply is irrational to think democracy has a chance in Syria anytime soon. Civil war is action against democracy...

Even backers of the bill said they believed that the United States had to act largely to mitigate the risks of not doing anything.

Would that risk involve the war grinding to a halt perhaps?

"The situation in Syria is critical for Syria, for the region and for U.S. efforts to counter extremism," said Democratic Senator Robert Menendez, the panel's chairman and a co-author of the bill.

"Countering" extremism with more extremism, propagating more extremism... solid logic for "countering extremism."

In Syria, Lebanese Hezbollah fighters and Syrian soldiers, backed by air strikes, renewed an offensive aimed at driving rebels from a town near the Lebanese border, raising fears about the conflict spreading in the region.

Perhaps we have learned from our Libya episode... So maybe forces can actually do a better job containing this "counter-extremism." But, I'd rather instead be skeptical of their past failures. There is no way we're going to occupy Syria, and that would be the only way to contain this "counter-extremism."

Republican Senator James Risch, who eventually voted yes to the weapons bill, expressed concerns about the prospects in Syria if President Bashar al-Assad were ousted.

"I'm not sure that the people we help here are going to be particularly grateful once the deed is done," he said.

When have extremist Muslims ever been grateful for America? Even if we help them they go crazy. They don't think it is our place to help them, only Allah is responsible for any help they get.


As the United States moves to end more than a decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, most Americans oppose getting involved in Syria. A Reuters/Ipsos online poll on Tuesday showed that 60 percent of Americans believe the country should not intervene, compared with only 12 percent who think it should.

The Obama administration has been resisting sending lethal military aid to the Syrian rebels, despite intelligence this month that Assad's forces likely used chemical weapons against the rebels - something Obama had called a "red line."

The U.S. president said last week he would consider both diplomatic and military options to pressure Assad, but that does not satisfy his critics.

Good on Obama for actually looking for an intelligent solution, even if there is none, rather than arming rebels.

Republican Senator John McCain, one of the loudest voices calling for military aid, dismissed concerns that the United States may not be able to properly vet rebels in an increasingly chaotic Syria, and scoffed at plans for a peace conference in Geneva next month.

"There's plenty of people that we can work with and set up a legitimate government, and to say that we can't is baloney. It's just not true. It's another cop-out and so is this, quote, 'conference' a cop-out because we're not going to do anything until we have the conference," he told reporters before the hearing.

"Meanwhile, people are being slaughtered. Meanwhile, Assad is gaining the initiative," he said.

Another propped up government. Ya, that is working so well in Iraq right now, same kind of violence.

Analysts say Washington could pick the right people to arm, citing success doing so in previous wars in Libya, Kosovo and Bosnia and noting that Washington has been facilitating the provision of arms to the rebels by allies for much of the Syrian conflict.

"This is a feasible prospect," said Gregory Koblentz, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and an expert on the Middle East.

But he said it will not be easy, explaining that the United States would have to increase its military presence in the region to be successful. "Clearly one of the lessons learned from Afghanistan is to do it yourself to make sure that you have your own assessment," Koblentz said.

05-22-2013, 10:07 PM
America, the...

05-22-2013, 10:16 PM
So they're going to supply them with free weapons, and not sell them?

05-22-2013, 10:22 PM
Bets on which one of these Syrian rebel weapons receiver turns into the next OBL?

05-23-2013, 02:07 AM
This'll end well.

05-23-2013, 05:41 AM
So they're going to supply them with free weapons, and not sell them?


05-23-2013, 06:09 AM
OP we are trying to win our proxy war here....

Do you have any better suggestions?

05-23-2013, 09:02 AM
So what was the point of the UN Arms Treaty again?