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MikeJones77
01-09-2013, 07:36 PM
my jommies are rustled

Jedi34
01-09-2013, 07:51 PM
Isn't he the DARE mascot

brianphi
01-09-2013, 07:56 PM
Agreed OP. He was a stud.

Phil9
01-09-2013, 08:05 PM
One of the top HR hitters of his era that was never linked to the 'rons. Being a big Bravo fan, this infuriates me even more...

kyleTX
01-09-2013, 08:27 PM
Crime Dog was great but Biggio was the only man snubbed, he was a shoe-in


Have no respect or care for the current/future HOF voting after today's phaggotry

mtomjr14
01-09-2013, 08:43 PM
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Drank a beer with the crime dog...good times

bbacn123
01-09-2013, 09:01 PM
Isn't he the DARE mascot

You're thinking of McGruff

Common mistake

WH06
01-09-2013, 09:59 PM
major league superstar Fred McGriff approves of this thread
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/Vermigli/emanskiMCGRIFF.jpg

Erik111
01-09-2013, 11:05 PM
Speaking of Biggio and McGriff .281/.363/.433 vs .284/.377/.509. McGriff is the bigger snub by far

LiftLaughLust
01-09-2013, 11:21 PM
Shawn Green (1) 2 0.4
http://rapradar.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/mj-gif.gif

How the f is Jack Morris not in yet? The moustache alone should be enough to get him in.
http://blogimages.thescore.com/mlb/files/2011/01/morris.jpg
That is one sexy bamf

MikeJones77
01-10-2013, 01:37 PM
will rage if the the professor doesnt get in first ballot

MCrow
01-10-2013, 01:58 PM
McGriff, Biggio, Morris, Bagwell, Rains, and Piazza should all be in.

I'm not worried about Biggio or Piazza given they're 1st timers but the others seem like they might get the shaft.

ivegotbigballs
01-10-2013, 02:04 PM
Speaking of Biggio and McGriff .281/.363/.433 vs .284/.377/.509. McGriff is the bigger snub by far

brb comparing the offensive stats of 1B vs 2B. Of course almost all first basemen are going to look like superior players if you only consider those three offensive slash lines.

lee4
01-10-2013, 02:08 PM
i wonder if there will ever be a retroactive point in time where we give these guys a legit second shot at the hall.


a hall without canseco, big mac, sosa, bonds, biggio, etc, is no hall at all. we're denying an entire generation of the game over petty and arbitrary rules.

sandpapergooch
01-10-2013, 02:17 PM
i wonder if there will ever be a retroactive point in time where we give these guys a legit second shot at the hall.


a hall without canseco, big mac, sosa, bonds, biggio, etc, is no hall at all. we're denying an entire generation of the game over petty and arbitrary rules.

lol at putting biggio with those guys, hes an above average player that happened to play a long time. Never the best player at his position, was never a must watch and he happened to have his biggest power years at age 38-39

broboma2012
01-10-2013, 04:06 PM
the steroid era has a double edged sword. obviously players who put up enormous numbers with links to steroid use will be tainted and not get in. at the same time players who were clean will have numbers that wont be as impressive compared to their peers due to steroid use, and wont get in. it's a no win situation.

if big frank thomas doesn't get in on the first ballot or at least get very close i will be pissed

broboma2012
01-10-2013, 04:08 PM
lol at putting biggio with those guys, hes an above average player that happened to play a long time. Never the best player at his position, was never a must watch and he happened to have his biggest power years at age 38-39

you obviously aren't familiar with bill james. he made some outrageous (albeit convincing) arguments concerning biggio's production. although his passion for biggio cooled a bit as he gained more recognition for sticking around to get that elusive 3000.


while i agree that he isn't in the same category as those other hitters i do believe you are under rating biggio a bit. the man had some monster years for a second baseman and could do it all. he was insanely productive during his prime

MCrow
01-10-2013, 04:39 PM
you obviously aren't familiar with bill james. he made some outrageous (albeit convincing) arguments concerning biggio's production. although his passion for biggio cooled a bit as he gained more recognition for sticking around to get that elusive 3000.


while i agree that he isn't in the same category as those other hitters i do believe you are under rating biggio a bit. the man had some monster years for a second baseman and could do it all. he was insanely productive during his prime

My one think with Biggio is his offensive stats are questionable. There are not many guys in the HoF with a similar stat line when looking averages/ratio stats like BA, OPS, OPS+, WAR...ect.

Then again, Yount,Brock, and Ripken statistacally are similar.

bbacn123
01-10-2013, 05:07 PM
i wonder if there will ever be a retroactive point in time where we give these guys a legit second shot at the hall.


a hall without canseco, big mac, sosa, bonds, biggio, etc, is no hall at all. we're denying an entire generation of the game over petty and arbitrary rules.

I think they'll all get in. Except for Canseco he's a phaggot.

kyleTX
01-10-2013, 05:31 PM
lol at putting biggio with those guys, hes an above average player that happened to play a long time. Never the best player at his position, was never a must watch and he happened to have his biggest power years at age 38-39


age :19

You're bashing him because he had a long healthy career? right...

name another quality player in the history of baseball that played extensive time at 3 entirely different skill positions. NOT some 3rd baseman that switched to 1st base/right field because his arm diminished or got fat. We're talking about 3 positions that require unique skillsets.




All Star as a catcher
4 consecutive gold gloves at 2b
capable Center Fielder in his late 30's (his arm sucked at this point though, not gonna lie)


oh and then there's the 3000 hits thing, all while having the record for being beaned the most (couldve had even more hits if he wasn't such a gamer that loved taking one off the elbow). Nobody in this era played the game harder, but that's something stats don't show and wouldn't expect a teenager to know about.

brianphi
01-10-2013, 05:37 PM
Why no Don Mattingly?

http://www.ultimateyankees.com/Don%20Mattingly%20Autographed%20Photo.jpg

newtmiscer
01-10-2013, 05:44 PM
lol at putting biggio with those guys, hes an above average player that happened to play a long time. Never the best player at his position, was never a must watch and he happened to have his biggest power years at age 38-39

if its so pedestrian to collect 3000+ hits then why have only 28 players done it in over 100 years?

phaggot

kyleTX
01-10-2013, 05:47 PM
if its so pedestrian to collect 3000+ hits then why have only 28 players done it in over 100 years?

phaggot


and biggio was 9 hr's shy of having 300 hr's / 300 sb's / 3000 hits, only Willie Mays has those numbers. But it's just because he played baseball a long ass time i'm sure ...

sandpapergooch
01-10-2013, 05:50 PM
if its so pedestrian to collect 3000+ hits then why have only 28 players done it in over 100 years?

phaggot

Yeah so if/when Johhny Damon does it we all agree hes a HOF'er.

ivegotbigballs
01-10-2013, 05:55 PM
i wonder if there will ever be a retroactive point in time where we give these guys a legit second shot at the hall.


a hall without Rose, canseco, big mac, sosa, bonds, biggio, etc, is no hall at all. we're denying an entire generation of the game over petty and arbitrary rules.

Fixed

evilsteve02
01-10-2013, 06:00 PM
my jommies are rustled

there are a **** ton of guys who should be in the hall who won't get in because A) the system to get in is idiotic and B) These so called "specialists" who vote on this have their own agenda. It is simply wrong. Other than the Rock N Roll hall of fame, the baseball hall of fame has the worst process to get people into it.

I mean how the heck does Biggio not get in...and how the hell does Kenny Lofton not get in?! Dude was the best leadoff hitter in baseball from 92-2000, 6x all-star, 4x Gold Glove winner (should have been more...but we won't get into that), 15 on the stolen base list (5x first in the league)..not to mention he fueled one of the most amazing offensive teams of the 90's.

Erik111
01-10-2013, 10:41 PM
brb comparing the offensive stats of 1B vs 2B. Of course almost all first basemen are going to look like superior players if you only consider those three offensive slash lines.

When one of these guys almost makes it first round and the other gets around 20% of the vote every year for years, you're honestly going to tell me Biggio is the bigger snub?

Erik111
01-10-2013, 10:47 PM
I think they'll all get in. Except for Canseco he's a phaggot.

Cansecos twitter account alone is HOF worthy. He doesn't need the poverty Baseball HOF, hes got the 40/40 club

PervedOut
01-11-2013, 04:33 AM
Will never visit Cooperstown until Pete Rose and Joe Jackson are in....

lee4
01-11-2013, 10:53 AM
lol at putting biggio with those guys, hes an above average player that happened to play a long time. Never the best player at his position, was never a must watch and he happened to have his biggest power years at age 38-39

this line may be getting let obvious by the day, but second basemen like him are very rare. by position he's amazing.


I think they'll all get in. Except for Canseco he's a phaggot.

for as much of an A$$ jose is... he's been honest. everyone loves to jump on the hate wagon, but both of his books have been completely accurate last i checked.

think he's a ph**got all you like, he changed the game.


Why no Don Mattingly?

http://www.ultimateyankees.com/Don%20Mattingly%20Autographed%20Photo.jpg

mattingly is on NO TEAM of mine until he SHAVES THOSE SIDEBURNS!!!


Fixed

repped. the absence of rose almost exceeds this entire list!

namean
01-11-2013, 01:29 PM
Loved McGriffs follow through on his swing lol
The bat gets all wrapped around his head haha
Thats actually what happens to me when I bat left handed.

McGriff probably should be in the HOF
7 home runs shy of 500. Dont know why he didnt play till he got it.