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i_am_stig
09-21-2012, 02:28 PM
Just recently started watching the NFL (UK brah) why is defense measured by yards? Surely the most important stat is how many points they can hold teams to?

charity4thepoor
09-21-2012, 02:29 PM
turnovers by offense. but you should use both.

leafs43
09-21-2012, 02:30 PM
Because yardage given up affects your offensive starting position.

Impurityz
09-21-2012, 02:30 PM
just like all statistics..... you use multiple sources to comprise to a solution.

Fahnestock
09-21-2012, 02:34 PM
Need to look at points/yards/turnovers equally. And frankly offensive numbers too. I'd like to see a study that compares average field position to defensive ranking.

Dave P
09-21-2012, 02:56 PM
Most people that know football roll their eyes at ranking teams by yardage over points.




The only thing that keeps points from being the outright favorite for rankings is turnovers can skew the numbers...if a defense gets a bunch of pick-6's then obviously that shouldn't count towards offensive rankings and vice versa for counting against defenses.



You'd think it wouldn't be that hard to do the stats by "Points scored by Offense" and "Points allowed by Defense" rather than just overall points allowed/scored but apparently it is.

monsterBEN
09-21-2012, 02:58 PM
just like all statistics..... you use multiple sources to comprise to a solution.

This. Defenses aren't really judged by one statistic... and honestly, part of the judging should be subjective. How many teams go into late game prevent defenses while up 14+ points... Most of the "main" statistics don't take that into account. Or, the teams that throw in backups late in games...

Also, what about when your QB throws an INT and the returner is tackled on the 5yd like. Then there's a 3 and out, and they make a FG. Those points are different than the FG allowed after an 80yd drive.

bcop
09-21-2012, 03:00 PM
Just recently started watching the NFL (UK brah) why is defense measured by yards? Surely the most important stat is how many points they can hold teams to?

becasue of pick 6s and safeties. those are points scored that are not the defense's fault.

reLaxx1
09-21-2012, 03:17 PM
Your QB throws a pick, they return it to the 1, they score, your D is penalized because they gave up 6 from the 1.

SpiderSense
09-21-2012, 03:56 PM
Because you can have a retard QB like say Jay Cutler who always puts your defense out there with their backs against the wall.

i_am_stig
09-21-2012, 03:56 PM
becasue of pick 6s and safeties. those are points scored that are not the defense's fault.


Your QB throws a pick, they return it to the 1, they score, your D is penalized because they gave up 6 from the 1.

Well surely if points from interceptions and safety's were removed from the measurement then you could see how many points a defense gives up a game, wouldn't that be better than using yards?

4thelvofthegme
09-21-2012, 03:57 PM
you do really have to look at everything. i think it just shows how hard it is to move the ball and make plays on that defense. I think most everyone would agree the 49ers have the best defense this year. they have kept the packers and lions in check for the most part, and it wins them games. the defense is setting up the offense and putting them in good positions to score points. unless you look at the pats from last year, the yards dont tell the whole story

reLaxx1
09-21-2012, 03:59 PM
Well surely if points from interceptions and safety's were removed from the measurement then you could see how many points a defense gives up a game, wouldn't that be better than using yards?

What if your QB throws a pick on the opponents 1, then they score, going 99 yards, that's nullified because it was a pick?

Nara62629
09-21-2012, 04:05 PM
its one stat. no semi-intelligent person would use one stat(especially in sports) as the end all, mean all to anything. even W/L doesn't tell the whole story.

Ecnewyx
09-21-2012, 04:16 PM
Your QB throws a pick, they return it to the 1, they score, your D is penalized because they gave up 6 from the 1.

Same for yardage though. Your offense scores too quickly. Defense faces 10 40-yard drives. That's 400 yards of offense given up.

Compared to an offense that holds the ball longer. So the defense only faces 6 40-yard drives. Is that defense 160 yards better? If you're going to look at yardage it should be yardage per drive.

If you had to pick one stat it should be points.

appleofknowledg
09-21-2012, 04:23 PM
sport stats are the most useless **** ever.

watch the fukin game.

Forumite
09-21-2012, 04:37 PM
What if your QB throws a pick on the opponents 1, then they score, going 99 yards, that's nullified because it was a pick?

I think they are talking about INTs/Fumbles returned for TD's bruh.