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BornAChampion
08-13-2012, 04:31 PM
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Dave P
08-13-2012, 04:34 PM
Since we're being homers

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nastynate87
08-13-2012, 04:37 PM
Probably JPP, and this is coming from a Die-hard Eagles fan.
If we're gonna homer, Brandon Graham and Vinny Curry have plenty of potential.

Patient Bear
08-13-2012, 04:37 PM
in terms of rookies, I'm looking forward to seeing Courtney Upshaw develop

Madvillainy
08-13-2012, 04:38 PM
JPP for sure

LightsXout28c
08-13-2012, 04:39 PM
inb4 JPP is mentioned in every post since its the obv answer

scotyg
08-13-2012, 04:39 PM
Von Miller and Aldon Smith are easy ones. Since we're being homers here, Justin Houston should rack some sacks up playing opposite of Hali. Had 5.5 in the final 5 weeks of the 2011 season.

thegenerel
08-13-2012, 04:45 PM
Suh, JPP, Von Miller in that order.

Lasers1
08-13-2012, 04:45 PM
Eagles fan here.

JPP

BornAChampion
08-13-2012, 04:48 PM
Suh, JPP, Von Miller in that order.

http://cdn.ientry.com/sites/webpronews/pictures/suh_fine_616.jpg

TranceOfPeace
08-13-2012, 04:48 PM
Since we're being homers

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wish someone made a gif of the bull rush sack against the Rams

MilwaukeeBrah
08-13-2012, 04:50 PM
http://portlandobserver.com/wp02/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Ndamukong-Suh2_c-400x400.jpg

uncle phil still looking good after all these years

Masstastic
08-13-2012, 04:52 PM
Are we naming guys who are proven and living up to their potential or guys with the "potential" to be amongst them?

If so,

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/410863/johnson.jpg

3 years and I have no clue why this guy isn't putting up 10+ sacks a year with his ability

BornAChampion
08-13-2012, 04:54 PM
Are we naming guys who are proven and living up to their potential or guys with the "potential" to be amongst them?

If so,

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/410863/johnson.jpg

3 years and I have no clue why this guy isn't putting up 10+ sacks a year with his ability

Guys with the potential to be the best, even if they haven't lived up to it yet. Suh is too strong, fast, and overall just too dominant to not be #1. You can use him getting 4 sacks last year as an excuse, but when you're getting double teamed on almost every single play as a DT it's not exactly easy to get to the quarterback.

Impurityz
08-13-2012, 04:56 PM
This is obvious. Anyone who does not say JJP Is out of their mind.

Coming from an eagles fan.

wildchild11
08-13-2012, 04:57 PM
JPP, Von Miller, and Aldon Smith all have sky high potential.

bdub69
08-13-2012, 04:57 PM
This is obvious. Anyone who does not say JJP Is out of their mind.

Coming from an eagles fan.

This. Pierre Paul is ridic.

IllPhill
08-13-2012, 04:59 PM
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Masstastic
08-13-2012, 05:07 PM
Guys with the potential to be the best, even if they haven't lived up to it yet. Suh is too strong, fast, and overall just too dominant to not be #1. You can use him getting 4 sacks last year as an excuse, but when you're getting double teamed on almost every single play as a DT it's not exactly easy to get to the quarterback.

Yeah he could be better and nearly dominant, but its hard to argue against him right now being the best 4-3 DT in the NFL.

iamgenus
08-13-2012, 06:06 PM
JPP and Aldon Smith both haven't been playing football for that long. Both started playing junior year of HS iirc.

People are saying it's easily JPP I wouldn't say it's easily. He made a huge jump from his rookie year but Von Miller and Aldon Smith have put up very impressive rookie seasons, who knows if they'll continue to improve or go the route of Jevon Kearse.

And people mentioning Suh, really? At DT sure but overall?

ElMariachi
08-13-2012, 06:23 PM
JPP and Aldon Smith. Ability to add further weight to their frames, least amount of time playing football, absolutely sky-high potential.

charity4thepoor
08-13-2012, 06:34 PM
obvious answer is andre branch and i'm not even a jags fan

kyleTX
08-13-2012, 06:36 PM
obvious answer is andre branch and i'm not even a jags fan


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Fahnestock
08-13-2012, 06:48 PM
It has to be JPP, and I say that as a massive Suh fanboy.

stevedarsh
08-13-2012, 07:07 PM
suh is still an unknown quantity to me. he obviously underachieved last year, and i cant begin to speculate whether it was a sophomore slump or a symptom of something bigger. it seems like he is having a hard time adjusting to the pressure of the spotlight and keeping his emotions in check, it may ultimately stunt his development as a player, or he may get over it.

Shane30794
08-13-2012, 07:35 PM
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BEASTMODE420
08-13-2012, 07:42 PM
Looking forward to Bruce Irvin's freak like ability to rush the passer this year

Laxmatt
08-13-2012, 08:20 PM
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dougefresh93
08-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Robert Quinn STL

Bruce Irvin SEA

Brooks Reed HOU

Adrian Clayborn TB

4 of my semi sleepers in IDP league for sacks.

Bezzz
08-13-2012, 08:38 PM
Melvin Ingram will make the pro bowl as a rookie.

scotyg
08-13-2012, 08:47 PM
Melvin Ingram will make the pro bowl as a rookie.

I loved Ingram and was hoping KC would draft him, even though it would have been a pure luxury pick, but I doubt he'll be pro-bowl material this season. He shares a division with Hali and Von Miller, not to mention the other AFC pass rushers, although Suggs is out for most of the year.

J2BDifferent
08-13-2012, 08:50 PM
Ahmad Brooks. Him and Aldon gonna get sacks like Harrison and Woodley did for Steelers

phillyfreak7
08-13-2012, 09:41 PM
Robert Quinn STL

Bruce Irvin SEA

Brooks Reed HOU

Adrian Clayborn TB

4 of my semi sleepers in IDP league for sacks.All on my Build a Team Misc Draft

And the answer to OP's question is Von Miller.

Gris419
08-14-2012, 01:46 AM
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Gris419
08-14-2012, 01:55 AM
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BunkMoreland
08-14-2012, 01:59 AM
After this season, the predator is going to be at the top of the list

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Gris419
08-14-2012, 01:59 AM
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ElMariachi
08-14-2012, 02:37 AM
All on my Build a Team Misc Draft

And the answer to OP's question is Von Miller.

Meh, will take Aldon Smith and JPP over Von Miller anyday. He's a great player but he's not a better pass-rusher than either of those two guys.

bigcc
08-14-2012, 03:20 AM
define potential.....

Are we talking about rookies or guys who haven't played much..... or are we talking overall?

JPP/Aldon Smith are the obvious answers overall, but JPP isn't going to hit 21 sacks again for several years so saying he has "potential" is kind of weird when its already hit.

Otherwise, I'm going to go with Jason Jones for my answer at DT, and Bruce Irvin at DE (yes homer, but I could make a strong case for why I would choose these two)

Gooner89
08-14-2012, 03:29 AM
Jared Allen could surpass his 22 sacks from last year and break the record so I would say he has potential. Strahan was also 30 when he set the record.

cman1787
08-14-2012, 05:20 AM
still waiting for jerry hughes to breakout

PervedOut
08-14-2012, 05:28 AM
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Last2K11Brah
08-14-2012, 06:49 AM
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pumped12
08-14-2012, 06:59 AM
interior lineman, suh for sure. ends still love freeney , but jpp and tuck are insane. wouldnt be suprised if jared allen gets his numbers like always

anthonysinatra
08-14-2012, 07:14 AM
lollllll strong homers ITT.

waias15
08-14-2012, 09:33 AM
anyone who doesnt say Chandler Jones is just a homer

no homer?

GrecoRoman
08-14-2012, 09:37 AM
anyone who doesnt say Chandler Jones is just a homer

no homer?
In b4 20 sacks as a rookie

waias15
08-14-2012, 09:42 AM
In b4 20 sacks as a rookie

repped

sups31
08-14-2012, 09:44 AM
Coples

iamgenus
08-14-2012, 10:51 AM
I'm gonna go around repping all the people who didn't post their teams player.

Looks like I won't need a recharge to accomplish this either.

CMNNHS
08-14-2012, 10:54 AM
J.J. Watt
Melvin Ingram
Shea McClein

iamgenus
08-14-2012, 10:56 AM
Ok, I'm curious for the guys naming 3-4 DEs or 4-3 DTs

How are you reading this question? To me most potential means huge ceiling ie leading league in sack almost every season type stuff. At this rate we're talking 17+ sacks.

Do you really see those guys putting up those numbers playing at their positions?

GrecoRoman
08-14-2012, 11:06 AM
Ok, I'm curious for the guys naming 3-4 DEs or 4-3 DTs

How are you reading this question? To me most potential means huge ceiling ie leading league in sack almost every season type stuff. At this rate we're talking 17+ sacks.

Do you really see those guys putting up those numbers playing at their positions?

being a great passrusher/=/putting up crazy sack numbers. Two guys who played better than their sack numbers were JJ Watt and JPP. Both were extremely disruptive even when they weren't getting the sack. Justin Smith is another guy who had a **** ton of hurries but didn't put up the exorbitant sack numbers. Id say watt has a higher ceiling than Justin Smith.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2012/2011-pressure-plays-defense

Waka_Flocka
08-14-2012, 11:33 AM
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iamgenus
08-14-2012, 11:42 AM
being a great passrusher/=/putting up crazy sack numbers. Two guys who played better than their sack numbers were JJ Watt and JPP. Both were extremely disruptive even when they weren't getting the sack. Justin Smith is another guy who had a **** ton of hurries but didn't put up the exorbitant sack numbers. Id say watt has a higher ceiling than Justin Smith.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2012/2011-pressure-plays-defense

I'm well aware of Justin Smith and what he does. I still wouldn't say he has more potential than Aldon Smith and at this point Justin is way better than Watt and it's a tad early to say he has a higher ceiling than Justin who's playing on an unreal level last few years.

I'm not exactly sure what you're showing me there anyways? We're talking about players not teams.

I can link you to profootballfocus that keeps all those stats too

34DE

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34olb

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43DE

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Are you now going to say JPP isn't as good as John Abraham who had more hurries? It's a combination of everything. I agree it's not all about the sacks but usually the hurries come with sacks.

GrecoRoman
08-14-2012, 12:21 PM
I'm well aware of Justin Smith and what he does. I still wouldn't say he has more potential than Aldon Smith and at this point Justin is way better than Watt and it's a tad early to say he has a higher ceiling than Justin who's playing on an unreal level last few years.

I'm not exactly sure what you're showing me there anyways? We're talking about players not teams.

I can link you to profootballfocus that keeps all those stats too

34DE

http://i50.tinypic.com/14iero8.jpg

34olb

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43DE

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Are you now going to say JPP isn't as good as John Abraham who had more hurries? It's a combination of everything. I agree it's not all about the sacks but usually the hurries come with sacks. I never said Hurries were the defining statistic because there is non. Being a great pass rusher isn't all about racking up sacks. Guys like JPP and Watt are swatting balls down at the line when they're just out of reach. Watt in his rookie year was dominant and so was JPP in his second year. Justin Smith was great last year but it wasn't his also 32 years old, I don't see him taking his play to another level. The point is that a 5tech can be a better pass rusher than a lot of outside linebackers even if they aren't raking up the sack numbers. You said that somewhere around 17+ sacks= huge ceiling when sacks aren't the end all, be all of measuring a pass rusher. Richard Seymour's highest sack total was 8, Although he was with out a shadow of a doubt the best pass rusher on any of those patriots teams outside of maybe McGinest. I think their are better pass rushers than most 5 techs but that doesn't mean they can't be dominant pass rushers.

Ecnewyx
08-14-2012, 12:29 PM
Potential to be what? DPOY?

'cause JPP is already a pro-bowler with a 16 sack season in 2011.

kethnaab
08-14-2012, 01:16 PM
anyone who doesnt say Chandler Jones is just a homer

no homer?


In b4 20 sacks as a rookie

tee-hee

iamgenus
08-14-2012, 04:21 PM
I never said Hurries were the defining statistic because there is non. Being a great pass rusher isn't all about racking up sacks. Guys like JPP and Watt are swatting balls down at the line when they're just out of reach. Watt in his rookie year was dominant and so was JPP in his second year. Justin Smith was great last year but it wasn't his also 32 years old, I don't see him taking his play to another level. The point is that a 5tech can be a better pass rusher than a lot of outside linebackers even if they aren't raking up the sack numbers. You said that somewhere around 17+ sacks= huge ceiling when sacks aren't the end all, be all of measuring a pass rusher. Richard Seymour's highest sack total was 8, Although he was with out a shadow of a doubt the best pass rusher on any of those patriots teams outside of maybe McGinest. I think their are better pass rushers than most 5 techs but that doesn't mean they can't be dominant pass rushers.

I assume the bold is a typo cuz I have no clue what you were trying to say there. Justin Smith has been the best 3-4 DE in the league for the last 3 years or so but I still wouldn't say he's an elite pass rusher when compared to the whole league.

Also not sure since when swatting passes down = pass rush but ok. And Seymour was good on the pats but once again, far from best in the league.

I mean it's pointless to argue this stuff since it's all subjective but I just don't see how people can think that the best pass rushers would come out of positions which usually don't have the best pass rushers playing there.

Ivan7x
08-14-2012, 04:24 PM
http://prod.static.texans.clubs.nfl.com//assets/images/imported/HOU/person-assets/player-cards/Watt_JJ.jpgthis

no homer

GrecoRoman
08-14-2012, 04:28 PM
I assume the bold is a typo cuz I have no clue what you were trying to say there. Justin Smith has been the best 3-4 DE in the league for the last 3 years or so but I still wouldn't say he's an elite pass rusher when compared to the whole league.

Also not sure since when swatting passes down = pass rush but ok. And Seymour was good on the pats but once again, far from best in the league.

I mean it's pointless to argue this stuff since it's all subjective but I just don't see how people can think that the best pass rushers would come out of positions which usually don't have the best pass rushers playing there.

yep, and no Justin Smith hasn't been the best 34 DE in the the NFL for the last 3 years. A guy in Baltimore holds that title. (In b4 he's a NT!) No he plays both and he's dominant at both but Justin Smith last year was as dominant as anybody I've seen play.

Swatting down passes when you aren't going to be able to get to the QB is pretty important I'd say. It shows that as a pass rusher even when you aren't closing in you can still effect the play. Again there are so many little things involved in being a pass rusher that holding one stat like sacks isn't fair. Seymour was an all-pro on the pats. One of the best, nobody was better at ****ing up a pocket. OP wasn't asking who the best pass rusher is or would be but who had the most potential. Guys like JJ Watt or Suh getting 10 sacks playing on the inside is just as impressive as getting 15 playing off the edge.


tee-hee

no homer of corse. You see his game against Bushrod?

iamgenus
08-14-2012, 04:35 PM
yep, and no Justin Smith hasn't been the best 34 DE in the the NFL for the last 3 years. A guy in Baltimore holds that title.

Swatting down passes when you aren't going to be able to get to the QB is pretty important I'd say. It shows that as a pass rusher even when you aren't closing in you can still effect the play. Again there are so many little things involved in being a pass rusher that holding one stat like sacks isn't fair. Seymour was an all-pro on the pats. One of the best, nobody was better at ****ing up a pocket. OP wasn't asking who the best pass rusher is or would be but who had the most potential. Guys like JJ Watt or Suh getting 10 sacks playing on the inside is just as impressive as getting 15 playing off the edge.

No, no he doesn't. They don't even run a 3-4 most of the time in Baltimore. Ngata is closer to a DT than a 3-4 DE. Just because you haven't heard of Justin Smith til last year doesn't change how great Smith has done at that position.

Batting down passes is mostly luck and it shows nothing about a pass rush, if a guy doesn't budge the OT at all and gets his hands up and the QB throws a pass in that direction for a bat down you're claiming it's a good pass rush by the player? Give me a break.

Watt is a great player but I don't see how he has that much potential. The guy is closer to a finished product than anything. There are many guys out there who are good pass rushers despite being raw. I don't see it but ok, that's your opinion.

GrecoRoman
08-14-2012, 04:47 PM
No, no he doesn't. They don't even run a 3-4 most of the time in Baltimore. Ngata is closer to a DT than a 3-4 DE. Just because you haven't heard of Justin Smith til last year doesn't change how great Smith has done at that position.

Batting down passes is mostly luck and it shows nothing about a pass rush, if a guy doesn't budge the OT at all and gets his hands up and the QB throws a pass in that direction for a bat down you're claiming it's a good pass rush by the player? Give me a break.

Watt is a great player but I don't see how he has that much potential. The guy is closer to a finished product than anything. There are many guys out there who are good pass rushers despite being raw. I don't see it but ok, that's your opinion.

The run a hybrid, most teams do. You think Justin plays 5tech every play he's on the field?
BRB JPP is just lucky, matter of fact now that I think about it didn't that Giants-Niners regular season game come down to a batted pass by some guy? ;) That lucky fella. Pass Rushers aren't going to get a pressure every time they line up. JPP's long arms and ability to bat down passes when he can't get a rush like on a 3 step drop is what makes him different from other guys. The Patriots literally had to game plan for his ability to do that leading up to the superbowl. They had guys stand with those long noodle things at the line of the scrimmage and Brady had to throw through them.

Watt after his rookie year is closer to a finished product than anything? Not sheriff srs. You really think he's played he's already playing his best football?

roko79
08-14-2012, 04:54 PM
Melvin Ingram will make the pro bowl as a rookie.

i agree

iamgenus
08-14-2012, 04:58 PM
The run a hybrid, most teams do. You think Justin plays 5tech every play he's on the field?
BRB JPP is just lucky, matter of fact now that I think about it didn't that Giants-Niners regular season game come down to a batted pass by some guy? ;) That lucky fella. Pass Rushers aren't going to get a pressure every time they line up. JPP's long arms and ability to bat down passes when he can't get a rush like on a 3 step drop is what makes him different from other guys. The Patriots literally had to game plan for his ability to do that leading up to the superbowl. They had guys stand with those long noodle things at the line of the scrimmage and Brady had to throw through them.

Watt after his rookie year is closer to a finished product than anything? Not sheriff srs. You really think he's played he's already playing his best football?

I said Watt is closer to a finished product in comparison to other guys who are more potential. How does that mean he's already playing his best football? If I meant that I would've said he's already a finished product. Close to and is are not the same thing.

And Justin Smith plays DE in their base package which they do most of the time. Ngata has spent time at NT in 3-4 before and plays DT. Don't want to play semantics here but there's a reason Ngata is listed at DT on his player profile and Justin is at DE.

And you can put smiley faces all you want it doesn't change the fact that batting passes down is more luck than skill. A player basically puts his hands up when he can't get to the QB and if he's lucky the QB hits him - obviously the longer/bigger your arms the more chance you get but once again it is NOT an indicator of a good pass rusher. Every defensive lineman is taught that. If you can't get to the QB get your hands up.

I'm glad the pats gameplanned for that but I'm sure JPP would rather get a sack than stand back to get his hands up.

GrecoRoman
08-14-2012, 05:10 PM
I said Watt is closer to a finished product in comparison to other guys who are more potential. How does that mean he's already playing his best football? If I meant that I would've said he's already a finished product. Close to and is are not the same thing.

And Justin Smith plays DE in their base package which they do most of the time. Ngata has spent time at NT in 3-4 before and plays DT. Don't want to play semantics here but there's a reason Ngata is listed at DT on his player profile and Justin is at DE.

And you can put smiley faces all you want it doesn't change the fact that batting passes down is more luck than skill. A player basically puts his hands up when he can't get to the QB and if he's lucky the QB hits him - obviously the longer/bigger your arms the more chance you get but once again it is NOT an indicator of a good pass rusher. Every defensive lineman is taught that. If you can't get to the QB get your hands up.

I'm glad the pats gameplanned for that but I'm sure JPP would rather get a sack than stand back to get his hands up.

you do understand how hard it is to get a sack on a 3 step drop? Knockdowns are about as lucky as stip sacks. You time your jump and you knock the ball down if the QB is throwing to your side. A big chunk of the hype around JPP is how he well he knocks down the ball at the LOS. Everybody is taught it but not many can make a habit out of it. He's listed as a DT because he plays there 50% of the time and the position isn't as lucrative. I believe the Ravens had a similar issue with Suggs when it came to the franchise tag and his position designation. You said "Watt is closer to a finished product than anything". He still has a **** ton of upside.

iamgenus
08-14-2012, 05:27 PM
you do understand how hard it is to get a sack on a 3 step drop? Knockdowns are about as lucky as stip sacks. You time your jump and you knock the ball down if the QB is throwing to your side. A big chunk of the hype around JPP is how he well he knocks down the ball at the LOS. Everybody is taught it but not many can make a habit out of it. He's listed as a DT because he plays there 50% of the time and the position isn't as lucrative. I believe the Ravens had a similar issue with Suggs when it came to the franchise tag and his position designation. You said "Watt is closer to a finished product than anything". He still has a **** ton of upside.

I guess we'll see. He's already playing at a high level and he's been playing football for a while. I think he'll be a very good player but I don't think his potential is anything crazy.

And back to the knockdowns JPP has long ass arms so yes its easier for him and guys like Calais Campbell but it's still more luck that the QB throws the pass and it hits your arms. Strip sacks arent lucky at all. You have to beat the OL bad enough on the blindside of the QB and get at the arm cocked on the other side of his body to knock it out.

Let's see - that or jumping up with your hands raised...

GrecoRoman
08-14-2012, 05:31 PM
I guess we'll see. He's already playing at a high level and he's been playing football for a while. I think he'll be a very good player but I don't think his potential is anything crazy.

And back to the knockdowns JPP has long ass arms so yes its easier for him and guys like Calais Campbell but it's still more luck that the QB throws the pass and it hits your arms. Strip sacks arent lucky at all. You have to beat the OL bad enough on the blindside of the QB and get at the arm cocked on the other side of his body to knock it out.

Let's see - that or jumping up with your hands raised...

plenty of guys get to the QB. Guys like Suggs, Prime Freeny and Mathis were just lucky the QB was cocking his arm at the time the were getting there though I guess.

iamgenus
08-14-2012, 05:46 PM
plenty of guys get to the QB. Guys like Suggs, Prime Freeny and Mathis were just lucky the QB was cocking his arm at the time the were getting there though I guess.

They still had to beat the offensive lineman bad enough and fast enough to get there to strip the ball. What do you think is easier to do? Jump up in the air with your hands raised or that?

But then again you think Hernandez is better than Jimmy Graham so maybe you think jumping up in the air takes more skill

GrecoRoman
08-14-2012, 05:50 PM
They still had to beat the offensive lineman bad enough and fast enough to get there to strip the ball. What do you think is easier to do? Jump up in the air with your hands raised or that?

But then again you think Hernandez is better than Jimmy Graham so maybe you think jumping up in the air takes more skill

Neither are easy to do. A lot of players get to the QB but some guys are better at knocking the ball loos once they get their and it has very little to do with luck and more to do with something that is refined over repetition. Both are skills that are acquired not lucky happenings. But since you want to take the entire process of getting to the QB first how about we go all the way back to even making the team herp derp.