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JamesGatz83
08-11-2012, 01:58 PM
Eastern Conference

1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. Pacers
4. Knicks
5. Sixers
6. Bulls
7. Nets
8. Bucks

Western Conference

1. Lakers
2. Thunder
3. Clippers
4. Spurs
5. Nuggets
6. Grizzlies
7. Jazz
8. Mavericks

PhiGreens
08-11-2012, 02:00 PM
West is way off

Jess40
08-11-2012, 02:07 PM
Eastern Conference

1. Heat
2. Celtics
3. Pacers
4. Knicks
5. Sixers
6. Bulls
7. Nets
8. Bucks

Western Conference

1. Lakers
2. Thunder
3. Clippers
4. Spurs
5. Nuggets
6. Grizzlies
7. Jazz
8. Mavericks

Timberwolves > Jazz

JamesGatz83
08-11-2012, 02:19 PM
Timberwolves > Jazz

I like Utah's frontcourt: Jefferson, Millsap, Marvin Williams, and Favors.

As far as Minnesota goes, I don't think adding Kirilenko is enough to make that much of a difference, and their backcourt is still a mess. Who starts at 2? And Rubio was the most overrated player in the league pre-injury.

yieldtonothing
08-11-2012, 02:30 PM
my humble opinion

east
miami
knicks(bc they are bake)
boston
brooklyn
indy
bulls
philly
milwaukee


west

okc
lakers
spurs
nuggets
clippers
t'wolves
mavs
grizzlies

Jess40
08-11-2012, 02:31 PM
I like Utah's frontcourt: Jefferson, Millsap, Marvin Williams, and Favors.

As far as Minnesota goes, I don't think adding Kirilenko is enough to make that much of a difference, and their backcourt is still a mess. Who starts at 2? And Rubio was the most overrated player in the league pre-injury.

If they stay healthy for the year then they are in playoffs. Additions AK47, Shved, Roy, Stiemsma and Budinger. Rick Adelman had them playing good before the injuries hit and then a losing streak.

Rubio/Ridnour/Shved
Roy/Shved/JJ Barea
AK47/Budinger
Love/Derrick Williams/Cunningham
Pekovic/Stiemsma /Love

They often play with 2 point guards on the floor at the same time.

mayweathermusic
08-11-2012, 02:35 PM
Swap the Knicks and Pacers and Minnesota could definitely grab one of those bottom 2 spots in the west.

2L8forGrace
08-11-2012, 03:26 PM
I like Utah's frontcourt: Jefferson, Millsap, Marvin Williams, and Favors.

As far as Minnesota goes, I don't think adding Kirilenko is enough to make that much of a difference, and their backcourt is still a mess. Who starts at 2? And Rubio was the most overrated player in the league pre-injury.

I like the Jazz front court as well in fact IMO Enes Kanter if given playing time could prove to be incredibly valuable. They; however, desperately need to move someone and add some youth to the wings or a point guard. Going back to Kanter I believe he had the 3rd highest rebounding rate in the NBA while on the floor last year only behind Kevin Love and D-12. Kanter needs to learn to stay out of foul trouble but he could be good.

I agree with most of your statements about the wolves but your Rubio statement is ludicris. Even just defensively speaking before Rubio's injury the Wolves allowed about 96 ppg and averaged over 7 steals a game which would rank around 15th in each catagory respectively give or take. Post Rubio injury the Wolves are 5th in points allowed and around 23rd in steals.

BullBoy8
08-11-2012, 04:21 PM
We gonna act like the Warriors arent gonna make the playoffs this year, if they are healthy of course. Philly will be a 3-4 seed. Pacers a top 4 seed. Knicks>>>Nets. Nets will be a 6 seed this year IMO.

Day1086
08-11-2012, 04:31 PM
OKC
Lakers
Spurs
Clippers
Grizzlies
Nuggets
Timberwolves
Warriors

Heat
Celtics
(Rest are irrelevant, but as a formality)
Pacers
Knicks
Sixers
Nets
Bulls
hawks

dan213
08-11-2012, 04:34 PM
Dwight isn't going to be ready until December right? That means they will play .500 ball at best until he comes back. Kobe will be chucking 30 shots a game.

Shortstop36
08-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Heat
Celtics
Knicks
Pacers
Nets
Bulls
Raptors (I think they have a solid team).
Sixers

Magic = 8-74

West:

Lakers
Thunder
Grizzlies
Clippers
Spurs
Utah
Minnesota
Nuggets

AirCanada
08-11-2012, 04:40 PM
Dwight isn't going to be ready until December right? That means they will play .500 ball at best until he comes back. Kobe will be chucking 30 shots a game.

Yeah looks like they're going to only be able to field a starting 5 of Nash/Kobe/Metta/Jamison/Gasol.

The horror.

dan213
08-11-2012, 04:42 PM
Yeah looks like they're going to only be able to field a starting 5 of Nash/Kobe/Metta/Jamison/Gasol.

The horror.

MWP and Jamison are both useless. Gasol is declining at a ridiculous pace. You then have a 38 year old at point and the greatest chucker of all-time at the 2.

lol at people thinking that starting 5 will run shiit without Dwight.

JamesGatz83
08-11-2012, 04:45 PM
Dwight isn't going to be ready until December right? That means they will play .500 ball at best until he comes back. Kobe will be chucking 30 shots a game.

LOL. Kobe, Pau, and Steve Nash are going to play .500 ball?

Day1086
08-11-2012, 04:48 PM
they wont play .500 ball but it will be enough to give OKC home court in the potential playoff meeting which is a pretty big deal, especially with OKC's home crowd.

Jess40
08-11-2012, 04:48 PM
Dwight isn't going to be ready until December right? That means they will play .500 ball at best until he comes back. Kobe will be chucking 30 shots a game.

not sure if serious

JamesGatz83
08-11-2012, 04:48 PM
MWP and Jamison are both useless. Gasol is declining at a ridiculous pace. You then have a 38 year old at point and the greatest chucker of all-time at the 2.

lol at people thinking that starting 5 will run shiit without Dwight.

It's last year's Lakers, minus Bynum but plus Steve Nash. Steve Nash is a massive upgrade over Derek Fisher/Ramon Sessions and will be regardless of age until he turns 80 or so. The "greatest chucker of all time" had a PER of 22 last year and happens to own five rings. Pau Gasol rapidly declined to 17 and 10 last year. The horror.

In conclusion, you're an idiot--and a Nets fan to boot.

gswarrior510
08-11-2012, 04:49 PM
Heat
Knicks
Celtics
Sixers
Nets
Pacers
Bucks
Cavs

West:

Thunder
Lakers
Clippers
Denver
Grizzlies
Spurs
Mavs
Warriors

JamesGatz83
08-11-2012, 04:51 PM
I like the Jazz front court as well in fact IMO Enes Kanter if given playing time could prove to be incredibly valuable. They; however, desperately need to move someone and add some youth to the wings or a point guard. Going back to Kanter I believe he had the 3rd highest rebounding rate in the NBA while on the floor last year only behind Kevin Love and D-12. Kanter needs to learn to stay out of foul trouble but he could be good.

I agree with most of your statements about the wolves but your Rubio statement is ludicris. Even just defensively speaking before Rubio's injury the Wolves allowed about 96 ppg and averaged over 7 steals a game which would rank around 15th in each catagory respectively give or take. Post Rubio injury the Wolves are 5th in points allowed and around 23rd in steals.

Rubio had a PER of 14.64 and shot the ball terribly (35.7% from the field). 2.2 steals per game is a nice number, but otherwise he's average at best defensively.

J.J. Barea at the 2 is brutal.

dan213
08-11-2012, 04:52 PM
It's last year's Lakers, minus Bynum but plus Steve Nash. Steve Nash is a massive upgrade over Derek Fisher/Ramon Sessions and will be regardless of age until he turns 80 or so. The "greatest chucker of all time" had a PER of 22 last year and happens to own five rings. Pau Gasol rapidly declined to 17 and 10 last year. The horror.

In conclusion, you're an idiot--and a Nets fan to boot.

What does Kobe's ring total have to do with his upcoming play this year? The dude isn't even top 15 anymore. Stop acting like he can carry a team.

Did you watch Gasol in the playoffs last year? How about in the Olympics this year? L.A. is in trouble if they expect him to put up 18/10 every night without Dwight in the lineup. He put up those numbers because of Bynum. It's a little easier for him when he has a dominant 7 footer on the court with him.

Lakers fans are so delusional.

Basketball716
08-11-2012, 05:00 PM
Dwight isn't going to be ready until December right? That means they will play .500 ball at best until he comes back. Kobe will be chucking 30 shots a game.

Nash/Kobe/Metta/Jamison/Gasol playing .500 ball...can you say this with a straight face?

JamesGatz83
08-11-2012, 05:02 PM
What does Kobe's ring total have to do with his upcoming play this year? The dude isn't even top 15 anymore. Stop acting like he can carry a team.

Did you watch Gasol in the playoffs last year? How about in the Olympics this year? L.A. is in trouble if they expect him to put up 18/10 every night without Dwight in the lineup. He put up those numbers because of Bynum. It's a little easier for him when he has a dominant 7 footer on the court with him.

Lakers fans are so delusional.

Probably said we were delusional as we won each of our last 5 titles as well. Speaking of delusions, Nets fans thought they were getting Dwight and becoming relevant. How'd that work out for you?

Pau Gasol's numbers will increase without Bynum, just like they did when Bynum was injured and unable to contribute anything of significance during our last two title runs.

His numbers tailed off last year because he was asked to play further from the basket as we made Bynum more of a focal point in the post.

SweatAndTears
08-11-2012, 05:04 PM
.500 ball.
Reality, not even once.

imhere4tehlulz
08-11-2012, 05:08 PM
Why do people think Boston cares about the regular season? They save their older players for the postseason. Everyone knows this. They dosent afraid of road playoff games.

East
Heat
Pacers
Knicks
Nets
Sixers
Bucks
Cavs

Heat v Knicks ECF

Day1086
08-11-2012, 05:12 PM
Why do people think Boston cares about the regular season? They save their older players for the postseason. Everyone knows this. They dosent afraid of road playoff games.

East
Heat
Pacers
Knicks
Nets
Sixers
Bucks
Cavs

Heat v Knicks ECF

You forgot to include the team that was the focal point of your post. But I agree Celtics don't give a sht about regular season, they would rather simply be healthy for playoffs, as evident by passing up on home court against Atlanta during the last few games of 2012. Because of that its likely they can slip to 3-4 seed, but they will still be the 2nd best team in the East.

HeAdAcHeS
08-11-2012, 05:25 PM
What does Kobe's ring total have to do with his upcoming play this year? The dude isn't even top 15 anymore. Stop acting like he can carry a team.

Did you watch Gasol in the playoffs last year? How about in the Olympics this year? L.A. is in trouble if they expect him to put up 18/10 every night without Dwight in the lineup. He put up those numbers because of Bynum. It's a little easier for him when he has a dominant 7 footer on the court with him.

Lakers fans are so delusional.

lol have you watched the Olympics this year? Also, please name 15 players better than Kobe in the NBA last year.

Have fun with Mrs. Kardashian and Lopez next year.

2L8forGrace
08-11-2012, 06:25 PM
Rubio had a PER of 14.64 and shot the ball terribly (35.7% from the field). 2.2 steals per game is a nice number, but otherwise he's average at best defensively.

J.J. Barea at the 2 is brutal.



PER's a highly overrated stat because of how easily it can be blown out of proportion due to playing styles. Last year Russell Westbrook had a PER of 23, Steve Nash had a PER of 20, and Rondo had a PER of 17. Jarryd Bayless, Nate Robinson had high PERs then Rondo and Jordan Farmer had almost the same PER as Rondo. Does that mean Jarryd Bayless can run a team better then Rondo or Rubio? Is it any surprise that 4 out of the top 5 PG are scoring guards?

Secondly, did you somehow miss how the wolves went from allowing 96 ppg to over 100 ppg with Rubio's injury? His FG percentage is poor but guards have shown to be able to work on their shot (Jason Kidd) and he only needs to be able to shoot well enough to keep a defense honest.

If you brought up just the FG percentage I would have had no problem but you are completely off base with the rest of your argument against Rubio.

128
08-11-2012, 06:33 PM
Why do people think Boston cares about the regular season? They save their older players for the postseason. Everyone knows this. They dosent afraid of road playoff games.

East
Heat
Pacers
Knicks
Nets
Sixers
Bucks
Cavs

Heat v Knicks ECF

They've won the Atlantic Division the last 5 seasons straight

"Boston doesn't care about regular season" means they won't care as much come the end of the regular season when they've already clinched a spot, same thing a lot of the other top teams do. They'll place no lower than the 4th seed once again, 2nd seed most likely

gswarrior510
08-11-2012, 06:36 PM
Bricky Rubio is definitely a good PG. He's the most important player on that team because Love is just a super role player.