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Streetbull
07-01-2012, 09:36 AM
"Let me get this straight . . . ... We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2741559/posts

LOLOLOLOL!

leafs43
07-01-2012, 09:40 AM
I generally don't listen to Trump, but that is pretty awesome.

MrRIP
07-01-2012, 09:44 AM
Oh the scholar trump has something to say? I will read and take heed to the knowledge given by mr trump

wjs010
07-01-2012, 09:53 AM
Oh the scholar trump has something to say? I will read and take heed to the knowledge given by mr trump

Prove him wrong. Now.

A-GAME
07-01-2012, 10:08 AM
I love Trump the guy is hilarious. That is probably very close to how I would have worded it lol.

Judgment
07-01-2012, 10:39 AM
Good sh!t. Hahaha

Bushmaster
07-01-2012, 10:53 AM
Oh the scholar trump has something to say? I will read and take heed to the knowledge given by mr trump

Ok, so forget Trump said it and think about it for yourself. Your taxes are going to fund this thing, you are still going to be forced by law to "buy" it (again), and you will go to jail if you don't.

Yeah, Trump is the problem.. :rolleyes:

kate00
07-01-2012, 11:12 AM
Life is easy when you're born to a billionaire father.

Bushmaster
07-01-2012, 11:19 AM
Life is easy when you're born to a billionaire father.

I'm sure it is.

That doesn't automatically = wrong though.

rushki
07-01-2012, 11:21 AM
Life is easy when you're born to a billionaire father.

sure but does that take anything away from his statement? Facts are facts if those are indeed... facts.

ScubaStevo
07-01-2012, 11:23 AM
Honestly, what kind of person that can take care of himself would not be a republican?

Seriously, Republicans stand for freedom and taking care of yourself.

Jesus.

r0gue6
07-01-2012, 11:40 AM
Prove him wrong. Now.

I have a pet unicorn...prove me wrong bitch.

JamesMUSCLE
07-01-2012, 12:13 PM
I don't usually like Trump, but that is a good quote.

ScubaStevo
07-01-2012, 12:14 PM
I have a pet unicorn...prove me wrong bitch.

I don't get this - is this supposed to be witty or something?

jamesmadison
07-01-2012, 12:16 PM
I have a pet unicorn...prove me wrong bitch.

Analogy not apt.

Tekkendo
07-01-2012, 01:46 PM
"Let me get this straight . . . ... We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?'

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2741559/posts





LOLOLOLOL!
ye of so little faith... don't you know who Obama is?!!!

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn108/kyra2108/We%20made%20History/barack-obama-2-1.jpg


http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp241/3RDW0RLD/MauryLaughing.gif

nutsy54
07-01-2012, 03:49 PM
I have a pet unicorn...prove me wrong bitch.
Trump's statements were based on the factual content of legislation, and easily researched history/status of key people in the Obama administration.
Your statement was based on fiction, with no cited proof.

It really is sad the lengths you'll go to in defense of this failed administration :confused:

r0gue6
07-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Trump's statements were based on the factual content of legislation, and easily researched history/status of key people in the Obama administration.
Your statement was based on fiction, with no cited proof.

It really is sad the lengths you'll go to in defense of this failed administration :confused:

Typical Nutsy, make sh!t up, claim deflection, and then assert the person is defending something when they in no way defended it.

Fuking idiot.

nutsy54
07-01-2012, 04:40 PM
Typical Nutsy, make sh!t up, claim deflection, and then assert the person is defending something when they in no way defended it.
Once again: Identify anything in the OP (or my post) that's false or "made up". Instead of the insults, profanity, and baseless statements - why not simply prove your point. If you can.

(Well, there is one incorrect word from Trump, since we now know the "fine" for not purchasing health insurance is actually a new "TAX").

r0gue6
07-01-2012, 04:41 PM
Once again: Identify anything in the OP (or my post) that's false or "made up".

I didn't defend the administration.

I pointed out how stupid it is to say prove he's wrong every god damned time someone says some stupid sh!t.

Now go back to your gay porn sites.

Tekkendo
07-01-2012, 05:02 PM
Forum default nuthugger claiming she is not defending Obama...

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/images/smilies/new/takei.gif

Calhexas
07-01-2012, 05:20 PM
Typical Nutsy, make sh!t up, claim deflection, and then assert the person is defending something when they in no way defended it.

Fuking idiot.

Um...nutsy has a point.

You? Not so much.

ScubaStevo
07-01-2012, 07:02 PM
Um...nutsy has a point.

You? Not so much.

The bleeding heart commies will fall on their own sword to defend Obama.

r0gue6
07-01-2012, 07:15 PM
Um...nutsy has a point.

You? Not so much.

Of course he has a point to you, you're a Texan.

amtharin
07-01-2012, 07:23 PM
I have a pet unicorn...prove me wrong bitch.

Huh??

nutsy54
07-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Huh??
That was his attempt to deflect attention away from the fact that nobody will be able to identify any false statements in the OP... Thus highlighting that MrRIP is once again just a partisan hack who will defend this failure at all costs.

ScubaStevo
07-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Of course he has a point to you, you're a Texan.

So, how does he have a point to you, if he is an illegal immigrant trying to vote democrat in the upcoming elecitons?

Johnnybomb
07-01-2012, 10:08 PM
Life is easy when you're born to a billionaire father.

What does that have to do with anything?

r0gue6
07-01-2012, 10:49 PM
What does that have to do with anything?

Nothing, cause you know everything when you never want for anything...ever.

nutsy54
07-01-2012, 11:08 PM
ITT: Obama lovers are pissed that the OP statement is completely true. And since they can't point to any incorrect elements, they just pretend it's false while lashing out at everyone else :D

US_Ranger
07-01-2012, 11:48 PM
Threads like this are good for one reason:

-They always highlight the people who will defend Obama even when there is no reason to do so.

r0gue6
07-01-2012, 11:53 PM
Threads like this are good for one reason:

-They always highlight the people who will defend Obama even when there is no reason to do so.

LOL, cause Obamacare does nothing...and anyone that likes it is simply defending Obama personally...fuking retarded.

leafs43
07-01-2012, 11:56 PM
LOL, cause Obamacare does nothing...and anyone that likes it is simply defending Obama personally...fuking retarded.

You keep using the word retard, but I don't think you know what it means.

r0gue6
07-01-2012, 11:57 PM
You keep using the word retard, but I don't think you know what it means.

Nope, I don't know what you are.

US_Ranger
07-02-2012, 12:10 AM
LOL, cause Obamacare does nothing...and anyone that likes it is simply defending Obama personally...fuking retarded.

Nah, but using ad-hominem attacks on Donald Trump (I can't stand him either) instead of about what he said is an indirect way of defending Obama at all costs because of this failed health care plan.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 12:10 AM
Nah, but using ad-hominem attacks on Donald Trump (I can't stand him either) instead of about what he said is an indirect way of defending Obama at all costs because of this failed health care plan.

Nobody did.

Derp

and like I said, prove there isn't a God.

nutsy54
07-02-2012, 12:48 AM
Nobody did.

Derp

and like I said, prove there isn't a God.
Still reminding everyone you couldn't actually find any false statements in the OP, huh? Just string along the strawmen, and distract attention away from Obama's failures whenever possible.

God and unicorns! Derp.

US_Ranger
07-02-2012, 01:16 AM
Nobody did.

Derp

and like I said, prove there isn't a God.

So, you're equating an ad-hominem attack (what you said) with Russell's Teapot (god argument)?

Rogue, you've gone full retard lately when it comes to politics. By full retard, I mean FULL FCKING RETARD.

Bushmaster
07-02-2012, 06:44 AM
Nothing, cause you know everything when you never want for anything...ever.

So what, exactly, did Trump say that was wrong? :confused:

You obviously have a point, no? Otherwise you're just blindly attacking Trump because he dared to disagree with your messiah and you feel duty bound to defend him.. right?

GermanBB
07-02-2012, 06:57 AM
did trump actually say this? google seems to find this anonymously posted all around blogs and forums...

either way, fantastic points.

BobisMighty
07-02-2012, 07:18 AM
did trump actually say this? google seems to find this anonymously posted all around blogs and forums...

either way, fantastic points.This. Can't seem to find a source for this quote anywhere. And from the very same forum, someone states that the quote can be found as far back as 2009. While the sentiment is sound, I'd rather not give credit to someone who didn't say it.

Calhexas
07-02-2012, 07:27 AM
Of course he has a point to you, you're a Texan.

lol what? No I'm not.

MiKey4
07-02-2012, 07:27 AM
I guess personal insults constitute arguments for Mr Trump.

ToPHeR35
07-02-2012, 07:29 AM
So much win in that Trump statement

PLZGO
07-02-2012, 07:30 AM
I don't understand why people look up to this guy, all he's been successful at is running businesses into the ground. He's a ****head


That said Obamacare is definitely not a good solution, just another mandate to continue lining the pockets of our corporate overlords. Socialized healthcare or bust

llcoolray3000
07-02-2012, 07:41 AM
In after people are told this quote isn't Trump's, but they continue to attack him as the messenger.

This reminds me of a Conservative rant chain email that I've seen attributed to both George Carlin and Dennis Leary. Or the string of axioms such as "you can't strengthen the weak by weakening the strong" falsely attributed to Abraham Lincoln.

Johnnybomb
07-02-2012, 07:44 AM
In after people are told this quote isn't Trump's, but they continue to attack him as the messenger.

This reminds me of a Conservative rant chain email that I've seen attributed to both George Carlin and Dennis Leary. Or the string of axioms such as "you can't strengthen the weak by weakening the strong" falsely attributed to Abraham Lincoln.

whoever said that statement is still accurate.

llcoolray3000
07-02-2012, 07:57 AM
whoever said that statement is still accurate.

Exactly. So the attempts to kill the messenger are even more pointless.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 08:01 AM
Exactly. So the attempts to kill the messenger are even more pointless.

The statement isn't accurate. In the first sentence it says you are forced to purchase something while that is not the case at all.

The rest is simply arguments against people...omg the President smokes...omg the Treasury secretary has a tax case going, wtf are we going to do?

I can see why this would rile up the Conservative idiots though, it's hits their emotional points pretty well.

Johnnybomb
07-02-2012, 08:25 AM
The statement isn't accurate. In the first sentence it says you are forced to purchase something while that is not the case at all.

The rest is simply arguments against people...omg the President smokes...omg the Treasury secretary has a tax case going, wtf are we going to do?

I can see why this would rile up the Conservative idiots though, it's hits their emotional points pretty well.

So you can not pay for Obamacare tax and nothing will happen? And those arguments are pretty good. I mean would you take health tips from a fatass? Would you trust your money to some shady accountant?

I'm all for Obama's policies and will even vote for him for another 4 years just because I don't live in the U.S. anymore and each time he spends a few trillion, adds some taxes, or makes a failed policy it makes my company a little bit more money.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 08:29 AM
So you can not pay for Obamacare tax and nothing will happen? And those arguments are pretty good. I mean would you take health tips from a fatass? Would you trust your money to some shady accountant?

I'm all for Obama's policies and will even vote for him for another 4 years just because I don't live in the U.S. anymore and each time he spends a few trillion, adds some taxes, or makes a failed policy it makes my company a little bit more money.

How ironic...you make the argument that you wouldn't take health tips from a fat ass, and yet cried like a baby in this very thread about attacking a messenger.

Johnnybomb
07-02-2012, 08:51 AM
How ironic...you make the argument that you wouldn't take health tips from a fat ass, and yet cried like a baby in this very thread about attacking a messenger.

I'm just stating a that whomever said that statement is pretty dead on.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 08:55 AM
I'm just stating a that whomever said that statement is pretty dead on.

It's first sentence is factually incorrect.

llcoolray3000
07-02-2012, 09:10 AM
It's first sentence is factually incorrect.

It says you're forced to buy insurance OR pay a fine (tax). The law, enforced by IRS agents, forces you to do one of those two things. If no one is forced to do either, then the law is impotent.

Johnnybomb
07-02-2012, 09:11 AM
It's first sentence is factually incorrect.

What isn't correct? btw http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/taxes-going-pay-pay-obamacare-145413745.html

Dan916
07-02-2012, 09:12 AM
oh lawdy.. Trump for President

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 09:20 AM
What isn't correct? btw http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/taxes-going-pay-pay-obamacare-145413745.html

Lord, I've already explained this...you aren't forced to purchase anything.

Johnnybomb
07-02-2012, 09:23 AM
Lord, I've already explained this...you aren't forced to purchase anything.

Then what's the penalty for? It's like for me to be able to drive my car in the U.S. I have to have car insurance. If I don't have car insurance and get caught I have to pay a penalty which is a ticket some cop gives me. If you're not forced to purchase anything then there should not be a penalty.

blkbelt42
07-02-2012, 09:25 AM
Typical Nutsy, make sh!t up, claim deflection, and then assert the person is defending something when they in no way defended it.

Fuking idiot.


Awesome retort!

PSToolman
07-02-2012, 09:26 AM
" Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents"

Confused about this. Having more people insured doesn't mean there are more people who need health care, or there's an increased demand for doctors. Just that the way it's paid for changes.

Further,according to Factcheck.org, the IRS is only asking for about 1200 additional workers, most of whom will be delivering tax credits. Less than 300 will be needed to enforce the law. Some will be needed to simply update the forms and information books.

So, yeah, Trumps statement has false claims.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/02/irs-and-the-health-care-law-part-ii/

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/02/15/healthcare-reform-law-requires-new-irs-army-of-1054

IMO if he's against it, it must be a good thing.

PSToolman
07-02-2012, 09:30 AM
"by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare"

These programs are not bankrupt, and won't be with only minor adjustments. The ACA will actually reduce the cost of Medicare.

PSToolman
07-02-2012, 09:33 AM
"all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,"

This

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/images/rmbenjamin.jpg

is obese according to Trump. Doesn't look unhealthy to me, but what does this have to do with her effectiveness as Surgeon General?

It's all just bull**** rhetoric from someone who has an unhealthy sense of self worth.

llcoolray3000
07-02-2012, 09:35 AM
" Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents"

Confused about this. Having more people insured doesn't mean there are more people who need health care, or there's an increased demand for doctors. Just that the way it's paid for changes.

Further,according to Factcheck.org, the IRS is only asking for about 1200 additional workers, most of whom will be delivering tax credits. Less than 300 will be needed to enforce the law. Some will be needed to simply update the forms and information books.

So, yeah, Trumps statement has false claims.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/02/irs-and-the-health-care-law-part-ii/

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/02/15/healthcare-reform-law-requires-new-irs-army-of-1054

IMO if he's against it, it must be a good thing.


Trump didn't say it.

If more people have insurance, especially if they perceive it to be free, they are more likely to seek more services than if they had no coverage.

PSToolman
07-02-2012, 09:38 AM
Trump didn't say it.

If more people have insurance, especially if they perceive it to be free, they are more likely to seek more services than if they had no coverage.

Which leads to a healthier citizenry, which lowers the demands for doctors.

And if Trump didn't say it, who's quoted in the OP?

Forty0zFreedom
07-02-2012, 09:41 AM
Lord, I've already explained this...you aren't forced to purchase anything.

If you don't buy it, you pay a fine that is blatantly being reworded as a "tax" just to avoid the fact that it tramples on the constitution. Sounds like "forced" to me. Explain how it isn't?

llcoolray3000
07-02-2012, 09:48 AM
Which leads to a healthier citizenry, which lowers the demands for doctors.

And if Trump didn't say it, who's quoted in the OP?

People going to the doctor because they have a cold or a stomach ache isn't going to lower demand for doctors.

It's some anonymous blog rant that's been attached to Trump to give it some sort of clout. This happens all the time.

Johnnybomb
07-02-2012, 10:04 AM
Which leads to a healthier citizenry, which lowers the demands for doctors.

And if Trump didn't say it, who's quoted in the OP?

No not really. Over here in China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong people go to the doctors for the smallest things because they have healthcare here. Runny nose off to the doctors, feeling tired off to the doctors for a IV, diarrhea off to the doctors. When I first moved back to Asia I thought people were crazy but after a year I figured since I'm paying with my taxes I might as well take full advantage. I'm all for socialized healthcare and think it's wonderful but it does drive up costs.

BladeRun
07-02-2012, 10:06 AM
Legit question: What is so terrible about Obamacare?

The Congressional Budgetary Oversight committee estimates that this will actually lower the deficit rather than raise it. I can understand disliking the mandate for health insurance coverage, however the main driver for that is the removal of pre-existing conditions clause from policies. If insurance companies are forced to insure anyone, then people would only sign up for insurance when they needed it, which undermines the insurance industry model completely.

I will state that I'm not a blind Obama follower by any stretch (though I'm sure this will be ignored.) I've got some serious issues with the physician pay structure that goes into effect in 2017. But ultimately it is aimed to reduce the strain on financial system by health-care-cost related bankruptcies, and help people get coverage which otherwise can't. It's not perfect but it does meet these goals.

Anyone care to discuss this without using the word "phaggot" in their post?

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 10:08 AM
If you don't buy it, you pay a fine that is blatantly being reworded as a "tax" just to avoid the fact that it tramples on the constitution. Sounds like "forced" to me. Explain how it isn't?

Because being forced implies that you have to do it.

Like forced labor, it wouldn't be much forced if you could simply choose not to do it.

amtharin
07-02-2012, 10:11 AM
Because being forced implies that you have to do it.

Like forced labor, it wouldn't be much forced if you could simply choose not to do it.

Rogue wants to argue about senseless semantic **** again.

They are taxing/penalizing you for not doing it, and you must comply with that tax/penalty. Only a phaggot who is more worried about semantics than actually having a point would cause such a commotion over someone claiming they are forcing you to do it.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 10:14 AM
Rogue wants to argue about senseless semantic **** again.

They are taxing/penalizing you for not doing it. Only a phaggot who is more worried about semantics than actually having a point would cause such a commotion over someone claiming they are forcing you to do it.

When proving someone is posting inaccurate sh!t, semantics often come into play.

Why didn't the retard who wrote the original state that you would be taxed if you didn't purchase it, at least then he would be accurate before going into his stupid tirade against smoking and lawsuits.

amtharin
07-02-2012, 10:17 AM
When proving someone is posting inaccurate sh!t, semantics often come into play.

Why didn't the retard who wrote the original state that you would be taxed if you didn't purchase it, at least then he would be accurate before going into his stupid tirade against smoking and lawsuits.

You have to pay your taxes. The result of not getting insurance results in something that you have to do. You are forced to do it.

You are arguing semantics because you dont have a point.

Bucher15
07-02-2012, 10:19 AM
You have to pay your taxes. The result of not getting insurance results in something that you have to do. You are forced to do it.

You are arguing semantics because you dont have a point.

If nothing else, watching r0gue6 try to have an educated debate with people on this board is very entertaining.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 10:24 AM
If nothing else, watching r0gue6 try to have an educated debate with people on this board is very entertaining.

Isn't it though, it really gives me some humor during the day.

Forty0zFreedom
07-02-2012, 10:25 AM
Because being forced implies that you have to do it.

Like forced labor, it wouldn't be much forced if you could simply choose not to do it.

brb I'm not forced to obey traffic laws because I can just pay the ticket

lol at this law making it easy for just rich people to "choose" and live free. If you're rich and can afford the fines, you can still make your own choice. Everyone else, not so much. Awesome.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 10:36 AM
brb I'm not forced to obey traffic laws because I can just pay the ticket

lol at this law making it easy for just rich people to "choose" and live free. If you're rich and can afford the fines, you can still make your own choice. Everyone else, not so much. Awesome.

You only get taxed if you choose to forgo health insurance.

I am not rich by any means and have health insurance, so I won't pay the tax, I could choose to stop paying my 1500 a year in premiums and save some cash by paying the tax, but that would be fuking retarded now wouldn't it?

Bushmaster
07-02-2012, 10:41 AM
You only get taxed if you choose to forgo health insurance.


How is that not forced? :confused:

Edit:


Because being forced implies that you have to do it.

Like forced labor, it wouldn't be much forced if you could simply choose not to do it.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 10:47 AM
How is that not forced? :confused:

lol, nevermind.

This is ridiculous and stupid. Alright, they force you to choose between a tax against your refund or having health insurance, we can agree on that.

Bushmaster
07-02-2012, 11:00 AM
lol, nevermind.

This is ridiculous and stupid. Alright, they force you to choose between a tax against your refund or having health insurance, we can agree on that.

Not everybody gets a refund you simpleton. I'm single with no dependents and made just under $80k last year. And if it hadn't been for my rental property deductions, and some help by a clever accountant I would have gotten royally fuked this past April. As it was I broke "even" and only had to shell out a couple hundred bucks, so WTF are you getting this refund crap? What, you think Uncle Sugar dips into his cookie jar and hands out free money to everybody once a year? :confused:

Hate to break it to you, but that isn't how sht works. Santa Claus isn't real either.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 11:01 AM
Not everybody gets a refund you simpleton. I'm single with no dependents and made just under $80k last year. And if it hadn't been for my rental property deductions, and some help by a clever accountant I would have gotten royally fuked this past April. As it was I broke "even" and only had to shell out a couple hundred bucks, so WTF are you getting this refund crap? What, you think Uncle Sugar dips into his cookie jar and hands out free money to everybody once a year? :confused:

Hate to break it to you, but that isn't how sht works. Santa Claus isn't real either.

You don't plan for taxes all year and get all surprised when you see a tax bill?

lolwtfbbq?

Bushmaster
07-02-2012, 11:05 AM
You don't plan for taxes all year and get all surprised when you see a tax bill?

lolwtfbbq?

Sure I plan - or did you not see my comments about the rental property deductions? Strong lack of reading comprehension lol. Regardless.. refund or no, you're still being FORCED to pay for this shiit.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 11:06 AM
Sure I plan - or did you not see my comments about the rental property deductions? Strong lack of reading comprehension lol.

Then why would you have been "Royally Fuked?"

Or was that more about you whining about paying taxes at all?

Also, this FORCED TAX OF DEATH barely affects anyone.

If you make decent money, you already have health insurance.

If you don't work, you already have Medicaid.

If an average policy costs more than 8% of your wages...you don't have to pay.

I'm still trying to figure out whose ever going to have to pay this fine/tax/penalty/FORCEFUL BONDAGE!

US_Ranger
07-02-2012, 11:17 AM
"by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare"

These programs are not bankrupt, and won't be with only minor adjustments. The ACA will actually reduce the cost of Medicare.

What?

There is no money to pay for any of these programs. We're printing money and paying interest on loans for this ****. Are you really going to spin that as not being bankrupt?

Brb, I'm 100k in debt so let me get a credit card with a 200k limit and transfer my debt so I'm not bankrupt....

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 11:18 AM
Also...


Refusal to Pay

The law prohibits the IRS from seeking to put anybody in jail or seizing their property for simple refusal to pay the tax. The law says specifically that taxpayers “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty” for failure to pay, and also that the IRS cannot file a tax lien (a legal claim against such things as homes, cars, wages and bank accounts) or a “levy” (seizure of property or bank accounts).

The law says that the IRS will collect the tax “in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68” of the tax code. That part of the tax code provides for imposing an additional penalty “equal to the total amount of the tax evaded, or not collected.” It also requires written notices to the taxpayer, and provides for court proceedings.

So it may turn out that the IRS will be suing those who fail to pay the tax for double the amount. But so far, the IRS has not spelled out exactly how it will enforce the new penalty with the limited power the law gives it.


What?

There is no money to pay for any of these programs. We're printing money and paying interest on loans for this ****. Are you really going to spin that as not being bankrupt?

Brb, I'm 100k in debt so let me get a credit card with a 200k limit and transfer my debt so I'm not bankrupt....

LOL, this shows you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Social Security Program.

US_Ranger
07-02-2012, 11:30 AM
Also...





LOL, this shows you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Social Security Program.

Lolololol!

I can make any program I want and then take out loans to pay for it and I'll never go bankrupt!

lolololol!

I can also rob social security to pay for other ****!!!!

Jesus Christ, why do MORONS constantly defend broken programs and broken politicians? OBAMA IS A FCKING FAILURE. THIS NEW HEALTH CARE IS A FCKING FAILURE. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 11:33 AM
Lolololol!

I can make any program I want and then take out loans to pay for it and I'll never go bankrupt!

lolololol!

I can also rob social security to pay for other ****!!!!

Jesus Christ, why do MORONS constantly defend broken programs and broken politicians? OBAMA IS A FCKING FAILURE. THIS NEW HEALTH CARE IS A FCKING FAILURE. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.

Defending broken programs, like our current health insurance programs in the USA?

Also, you really have no idea how SS works...that much is obvious.

Bucher15
07-02-2012, 11:42 AM
Defending broken programs, like our current health insurance programs in the USA?

Also, you really have no idea how SS works...that much is obvious.

Neither do you, that much is obvious as well.

r0gue6
07-02-2012, 11:43 AM
Neither do you, that much is obvious as well.

How now brown cow!?

nutsy54
07-02-2012, 08:37 PM
The statement isn't accurate. In the first sentence it says you are forced to purchase something while that is not the case at all.
Are you ever going to let go of this failed position? When the government PUNISHES you for not doing something, then you are effectively forced to do it. Once again, the question which you bizarrely claimed was "partisan": What does the IRS do when you don't pay your taxes?


The rest is simply arguments against people...omg the President smokes...omg the Treasury secretary has a tax case going, wtf are we going to do?
It's called highlighting hypocrisy in those who pretend to know what's best for everyone else, while doing something different for themselves.


I can see why this would rile up the Conservative idiots though, it's hits their emotional points pretty well.
It seems you're the one going absolutely ape-sh*t ballistic trying to come up with any possible way to pretend the core positions in the OP aren't true, and that Pelosi/Reid/Obama didn't foist a disastrous piece of legislation on the American people.

nutsy54
07-02-2012, 08:42 PM
The Congressional Budgetary Oversight committee estimates that this will actually lower the deficit rather than raise it.
Did you miss the part where it pretends to be "deficit neutral" only after levying $500 Billion in new taxes over the next decade? Along with another $500 Billion in cuts to Medicare (explain how the hell that is supposed to end up with a good results for the program everyone wants to keep).

nutsy54
07-02-2012, 08:46 PM
Because being forced implies that you have to do it.

Like forced labor, it wouldn't be much forced if you could simply choose not to do it.
Why are you flip-flopping? Of course you can refuse to perform "forced" labor, because according to you everything is just a choice, and nobody is ever forced to do anything. Now, you may not like the results if you choose not to work at that forced-labor camp... but it was still a choice. Right?

BladeRun
07-03-2012, 06:40 AM
Did you miss the part where it pretends to be "deficit neutral" only after levying $500 Billion in new taxes over the next decade? Along with another $500 Billion in cuts to Medicare (explain how the hell that is supposed to end up with a good results for the program everyone wants to keep).

The vast majority of that 500 billion will impact those making over 1 million a year. Personally I have no problem with that as the taxes on those in that income bracket are the lowest they've been in 80 years, but that's a long debate in of itself.

There are no cuts to Medicare spending, there is a reduction in future spending because of the provisions to increase efficiency in medicare spending (specifically in the areas of fraud and over-paying insurance companies.) That gap is further filled by some of the new non-medicare coverage in the plan, and the prescription rebate. It's obviously not perfect, but it is in no way a 500 billion dollar slash in Medicare in the way that the media paints it.

Yes, there is going to be an increase in cost for insurance - but it's the price we pay to extend insurance coverage to those that can't currently get it. Further, there are some substantial economic benefits to filling that gap that we all benefit from.

I'm no expert, so if I'm missing something here please let me know.

Forty0zFreedom
07-03-2012, 06:48 AM
The vast majority of that 500 billion will impact those making over 1 million a year. Personally I have no problem with that as the taxes on those in that income bracket are the lowest they've been in 80 years, but that's a long debate in of itself.

There are no cuts to Medicare spending, there is a reduction in future spending because of the provisions to increase efficiency in medicare spending (specifically in the areas of fraud and over-paying insurance companies.) That gap is further filled by some of the new non-medicare coverage in the plan, and the prescription rebate. It's obviously not perfect, but it is in no way a 500 billion dollar slash in Medicare in the way that the media paints it.

Yes, there is going to be an increase in cost for insurance - but it's the price we pay to extend insurance coverage to those that can't currently get it. Further, there are some substantial economic benefits to filling that gap that we all benefit from.

I'm no expert, so if I'm missing something here please let me know.

How big of an increase? Seems like every time health care is getting 'fixed' its only fcking ME over somehow.

PSToolman
07-03-2012, 06:49 AM
Did you miss the part where it pretends to be "deficit neutral" only after levying $500 Billion in new taxes over the next decade? Along with another $500 Billion in cuts to Medicare (explain how the hell that is supposed to end up with a good results for the program everyone wants to keep).

You keep posting the same bull**** even after having been shown this fact. Are you going to repeat the same debunked lie that the IRS is getting 16000 more agents through this legislation?

PSToolman
07-03-2012, 06:53 AM
I think it's funny how people are upset about paying the penalty/tax when all you need to do avoid it is have health insurance. If you have insurance already, then you won't be affected by this "tax increase".

I think it's also funny that those who "choose" to go without insurance and live off of those who are insured are freedom loving Americans, but those who receive food stamps to feed their children are parasites.

JrM703
07-03-2012, 06:56 AM
President Obama continually shows us he is no different from the vast majority of politicians; liars and cheats out for their own interests.

First Obamacare wasn't a tax....The Supreme Court said it is
Secondly Obamacare wasn't going to fund abortions and contraceptives....it does
Lastly Obamacare wasn't going to ration healthcare or have panels to approve surgeries...it will

Vote out the ass-hat.

markymark69
07-03-2012, 07:27 AM
Prove him wrong. Now.

Sure. Thats easy.


16k new IRS agents? False.

Thanks!

markymark69
07-03-2012, 07:32 AM
Prove him wrong. Now.

Thats easy part II

Without adding a single new doctor? False. FY10: 16,835; FY11: 17,364

Again...thanks for playing!

Caesar735
07-03-2012, 07:41 AM
Of course he has a point to you, you're a Texan.

http://www.justgq.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/obama-you-mad.jpg

JrM703
07-03-2012, 07:51 AM
For your fools that don't get it;

-"ObamaCare is a tax program—throwing more tax dollars at an unreformed health-care system."
-"ObamaCare is a huge new entitlement in a nation laboring under commitments it already can't afford."
-"ObamaCare in many respects—an unsustainable set of subsidies bankrupting the nation."
-"the last thing we needed, in a country staggering under deficits and debt, a sluggish economy and an unaffordable entitlement structure, was a new Rube Goldberg entitlement. The last thing we needed was ObamaCare. The nation and the times were asking Mr. Obama to reform health care, not to double-down on everything wrong with the current system."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303649504577496850233678284.html

r0gue6
07-03-2012, 07:53 AM
For your fools that don't get it;

-"ObamaCare is a tax program—throwing more tax dollars at an unreformed health-care system."
-"ObamaCare is a huge new entitlement in a nation laboring under commitments it already can't afford."
-"ObamaCare in many respects—an unsustainable set of subsidies bankrupting the nation."
-"the last thing we needed, in a country staggering under deficits and debt, a sluggish economy and an unaffordable entitlement structure, was a new Rube Goldberg entitlement. The last thing we needed was ObamaCare. The nation and the times were asking Mr. Obama to reform health care, not to double-down on everything wrong with the current system."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303649504577496850233678284.html

Someone's jimmies are rustled...

JrM703
07-03-2012, 07:54 AM
Someone's jimmies are rustled...

Extremely rustled, and I am mad.

If you can't see politicians trying to create support purely based on a growing dependency on government, and dissolving the ability of an individual, particularly the middle class to survive, then your not paying attention.

r0gue6
07-03-2012, 07:58 AM
Extremely rustled, and I am mad.

If you can't see politicians trying to create support purely based on a growing dependency on government, and dissolving the ability of an individual, particularly the middle class to survive, then your not paying attention.

You have an opinion, congratulations.

Caesar735
07-03-2012, 08:02 AM
You have an opinion, congratulations.You have an opinion, congratulations.

JrM703
07-03-2012, 08:06 AM
You have an opinion, congratulations.

As a Washington Insider I don't call it "opinion", but the cold harsh reality of U.S. politics.
They passed Mcain-Feingold for a reason follow the paper trail, and in-there lies the answers, the truth.

r0gue6
07-03-2012, 08:08 AM
As a Washington Insider I don't call it "opinion", but the cold harsh reality of U.S. politics.
They passed Mcain-Feingold for a reason follow the paper trail, and in-there lies the answers, the truth.

Oh snap, we have an insider here.

PLZGO
07-03-2012, 08:12 AM
As a Washington Insider I don't call it "opinion", but the cold harsh reality of U.S. politics.
They passed Mcain-Feingold for a reason follow the paper trail, and in-there lies the answers, the truth.
as a fellow washington insider you surely must know that the republicans aren't any better?

TZA13
07-03-2012, 08:15 AM
"all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,"

This

http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/images/rmbenjamin.jpg

is obese according to Trump. Doesn't look unhealthy to me, but what does this have to do with her effectiveness as Surgeon General?

It's all just bull**** rhetoric from someone who has an unhealthy sense of self worth.

Dang she is a tank since she is obese her medical opinion has no worth, also social security will be bankrupt by 2036. since the damage is already done i get to pay into every year and will never see a return, ohh joy

r0gue6
07-03-2012, 08:17 AM
Dang she is a tank since she is obese her medical opinion has no worth, also social security will be bankrupt by 2036. since the damage is already done i get to pay into every year and will never see a return, ohh joy

SS is funded til 2036...that doesn't mean it will be magically bankrupt then...

/facepalm

JrM703
07-03-2012, 08:18 AM
as a fellow washington insider you surely must know that the republicans aren't any better?

Both parties are filled with crooks undoubtedly.

I am of the camp that believes the two party system should be dissolved in an effort to focus on candidates, issues, and integrity versus red, blue, donkey, elephant, Republican, or Democrat. I do however believe the trajectory away from a Democratic Republic, and towards Socialism in a nation of 300+ million is unsustainable, as was in the U.S.S.R. Even the People's Republic of China has a mixed model system, and has refused to touch the Hong Kong market with any regulation since the turn over from British to Chinese rule a decade ago, because flawed capitalism is still stronger than any other economic system.

There has to be a motivation to produce, want, and purchase goods and services. Without it there are no companies, no jobs, no salaries, no money, no homes, no cars, no clothes, no vacations, no global market. The government cannot continue to prop up market failures based on good will, the consumers are a far better judge of quality over 500+ government representatives with interests at hand.

BFast55
07-03-2012, 08:51 AM
You have an opinion, congratulations.
An opinion, you have congratulations.

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e0/Yoda_SWSB.jpg

BladeRun
07-03-2012, 10:01 AM
For your fools that don't get it;

-"ObamaCare is a tax program—throwing more tax dollars at an unreformed health-care system."
-"ObamaCare is a huge new entitlement in a nation laboring under commitments it already can't afford."
-"ObamaCare in many respects—an unsustainable set of subsidies bankrupting the nation."
-"the last thing we needed, in a country staggering under deficits and debt, a sluggish economy and an unaffordable entitlement structure, was a new Rube Goldberg entitlement. The last thing we needed was ObamaCare. The nation and the times were asking Mr. Obama to reform health care, not to double-down on everything wrong with the current system."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303649504577496850233678284.html

Some vast assumptions drawn there, and a focus on slightly different objectives than the core goals of the affordable healthcare act, but an interesting read none-the-less. I still think that much of one's opinion of this whole things comes down to opinion on increasing taxes on the wealthy. If you are for it, this health care act makes a lot of sense. If you oppose it then it doesn't.

germanyt
07-03-2012, 08:31 PM
Ok, so forget Trump said it and think about it for yourself. Your taxes are going to fund this thing, you are still going to be forced by law to "buy" it (again), and you will go to jail if you don't.

Yeah, Trump is the problem.. :rolleyes:

You clearly don't understand this bill. I'm not a fan of it but you talk like you get your info from Hannity's panel of viewers.

As for Trump, what he said may be mildly funny but has nothing to do with the execution of this law. Trump is in absolutely no position to have a opinion on this worthy of making the news.

nutsy54
07-03-2012, 09:25 PM
The vast majority of that 500 billion will impact those making over 1 million a year. Personally I have no problem with that as the taxes on those in that income bracket are the lowest they've been in 80 years, but that's a long debate in of itself.
So... massive taxation is OK, as long as someone else has to foot the bill.


There are no cuts to Medicare spending, there is a reduction in future spending because of the provisions to increase efficiency in medicare spending (specifically in the areas of fraud and over-paying insurance companies.)
So... We needed a $Trillion spending bill to "increase efficiency"? Does that really make sense?


That gap is further filled by some of the new non-medicare coverage in the plan, and the prescription rebate. It's obviously not perfect, but it is in no way a 500 billion dollar slash in Medicare in the way that the media paints it.
Medicare spending will be $500 Billion less than currently planned. No way to describe that as anything other than a cut. (And while I believe all such programs should be eliminated, it's wildly deceptive to claim we're going to improve health care by dramatically reducing spending, just to pretend that a wildly expensive law isn't really expensive after all).


Yes, there is going to be an increase in cost for insurance - but it's the price we pay to extend insurance coverage to those that can't currently get it. Further, there are some substantial economic benefits to filling that gap that we all benefit from.
How does it "benefit everyone" to force people to buy a product they may not want or need, while forcing someone else to pay for a large chunk of those purchases? (While we make it "affordable" by piling new taxes on all layers of the health care system...)

nutsy54
07-03-2012, 09:37 PM
You keep posting the same bull**** even after having been shown this fact.
Exactly what was "bull****" in my post?

$500 Billion in new taxes over the next decade: "...increase revenues by $525 billion over the 2010–2019 period". (Page 11-12)

$500 Billion in Medicare cuts over the next decade: "The legislation also included a number of other provisions that were estimated to reduce net federal outlays (primarily for Medicare) by $492 billion over the 2010–2019 period." (Page 11)

Or maybe you'd only agree to the $315 Billion in new taxes specifically laid out in Table 2? (Page 14)

Source: Congressional Budget Office http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12119/03-30-healthcarelegislation.pdf


Are you going to repeat the same debunked lie that the IRS is getting 16000 more agents through this legislation?
Strawman diversion to a topic I haven't mentioned. So, now you can put your full effort into actually addressing the words I did post.

Bushmaster
07-04-2012, 07:24 AM
You clearly don't understand this bill.

Ok, explain it then..

JB05
07-04-2012, 07:49 AM
Ok, explain it then..

We need to pass this bill to know what's in it - Nancy Pelosi

:Bill passes:

Ok, now explain it.

Liberals: ...

Bushmaster
07-04-2012, 10:55 AM
We need to pass this bill to know what's in it - Nancy Pelosi

:Bill passes:

Ok, now explain it.

Liberals: ...

I'm not defending it.