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Sami76
06-22-2012, 08:31 AM
I read about this in the news today. It's beyond disturbing. What kind of kids talk trash like that to an older lady about wanting to cum and sh!t in her mouth? And at one point in the video the kids even tease her about her deceased son. I hope these kids get what they deserve. And their parents, too.

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latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 08:39 AM
I suspect this is almost a daily occurance in this poor woman's life. I am certain they thought it was hilarious and that is why one of them recorded it. I wish I could say that I find this unusual behavior but I do not. I have walked down more that one junior high and high school hallway. I know what they say to each other, about the staff and to the staff.

mslman71
06-22-2012, 08:42 AM
If had been anywhere near that situation as a kid and my parents found out I would've regretted ever being born and that lady would've been getting free yard service for many years.

If it were one of my kids the result would be the same.

crupiea
06-22-2012, 08:43 AM
This is what happens when every kid gets a trophy.

cgc
06-22-2012, 08:48 AM
And this is why "Time Out" doesn't work.

With as many people you hear flipping out and killing people for needless things (both students and just random people), I don't understand kids like this shooting off their mouths.
You never know you you're talking to.
Sure, stand your ground....but poking a potential nut job? Don't get it.

Also, if I caught my son or daughter EVER speaking to an adult like this......lets just say, it would not go well for them.

mslman71
06-22-2012, 08:52 AM
...I don't understand kids like this shooting off their mouths...

They're kids and they do stupid things. I don't know what you can do except explain it to them in no uncertain terms after they make mistakes and do your best to lay down the rules before they make them. All I can say is that my kids would remember the consequences of their actions for the rest of their lives if they did this.

SP1966
06-22-2012, 08:53 AM
On the bright side an account was set up for donations for this lady to take a nice vacation from the brats, their goal was to raise $5000, currently they have raised in excess of $490000. :eek:

Thats gonna be one hell of a vacation!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/story/2012/06/22/bullied-bus-monitor-fundraising.html

Sami76
06-22-2012, 08:54 AM
I suspect this is almost a daily occurance in this poor woman's life. I am certain they thought it was hilarious and that is why one of them recorded it. I wish I could say that I find this unusual behavior but I do not. I have walked down more that one junior high and high school hallway. I know what they say to each other, about the staff and to the staff.

Especially for the kids to do all this in front of a camera. Like they thought nothing of the consequences or that they thought there wouldn't be any. My oldest isn't in middle school yet (couple more years) so I haven't had to walk down any hallways there, but I've dealt with some rotten young teens on the playground several times. These kids think nothing of cursing and smoking and destroying equipment in front of impressionable younger kids and adults nearby. And I'm the only one telling them to stop. When did we become a society where youngsters behave like they make the rules?

Iceman1800
06-22-2012, 08:56 AM
Also, if I caught my son or daughter EVER speaking to an adult like this......lets just say, it would not go well for them.The problem is that too many parents either say "my child would never do that, it must have been soneone else" or they say "you better not yell at my kid"

bodyhard
06-22-2012, 08:58 AM
WTF there wasn't anyone else on the bus???? F'ck that sh!t just pissed me off, if I was on that bus I would be in jail right now for beating the sh!t out of each and everyone of those f'cking kids, serious.

latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 08:59 AM
Especially for the kids to do all this in front of a camera. Like they thought nothing of the consequences or that they thought there wouldn't be any. My oldest isn't in middle school yet (couple more years) so I haven't had to walk down any hallways there, but I've dealt with some rotten young teens on the playground several times. These kids think nothing of cursing and smoking and destroying equipment in front of impressionable younger kids and adults nearby. And I'm the only one telling them to stop. When did we become a society where youngsters behave like they make the rules?
when the parents stopped enforcing or installing them.

paolo59
06-22-2012, 08:59 AM
If had been anywhere near that situation as a kid and my parents found out I would've regretted ever being born and that lady would've been getting free yard service for many years.

If it were one of my kids the result would be the same.

You and me both! Kids can do some stupid, thoughtless, and crass things to be sure, but this is inexcuseable. As a teacher, I have found that when a kid is disrespectful to me, other adults, it is a revelation of just what goes on daily at home with their own parents. I'd beat the holy *%&$ out of any kid of mine who conducted himself in such a manner.

mslman71
06-22-2012, 09:00 AM
The problem is that too many parents either say "my child would never do that, it must have been soneone else" or they say "you better not yell at my kid"

My children are children. I expect them to do stupid sh*t, even stuff I told them explicitly not to do and why. My goal is to try and minimize the stupid sh*t they do that could permanently and negatively affect the outcome of their lives as adults and try and prepare them to fit into society in some meaningful way. They are, however, neither intrinsically good nor intrinsically bad and I have no illusions otherwise.

Sami76
06-22-2012, 09:01 AM
And this is why "Time Out" doesn't work.

Hah, the parent expects the child to thoughtfully think about what they did wrong and how to not do it again, but the child only thinks of how much they hate being in the corner. At least that's what my kids did. And they never could remember why they were even in the corner in the first place afterward. Time out was full of fail for my kids.

Simpy
06-22-2012, 09:01 AM
Those kids need consequences, but why would that woman allow that to continue? As the adult she should have punished them herself. In every district where I've worked there are grave punishments for misbehavior on the bus. That woman allowed herself to be a victim, so in some ways she is also to blame. As the adult she needs to take up for herself and follow through with punishments

latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 09:01 AM
The problem is that too many parents either say "my child would never do that, it must have been soneone else" or they say "you better not yell at my kid"agree. most parents think they are raising little angels. When the schools step in and try to discipline, the parents deny their own child's involvement and often threaten to sue the school.

bodyhard
06-22-2012, 09:04 AM
Does anyone know how old are these f'cking kids?

mslman71
06-22-2012, 09:05 AM
Those kids need consequences, but why would that woman allow that to continue? As the adult she should have punished them herself. In every district where I've worked there are grave punishments for misbehavior on the bus. That woman allowed herself to be a victim, so in some ways she is also to blame. As the adult she needs to take up for herself and follow through with punishments

Yeah, to some extent I agree, the little Lord of the Flies would've backed down quickly I bet if she had stood up and knocked the sh*t out of one of them after giving them enough rope to hang themselves, but as it was the kids smelled blood.

SP1966
06-22-2012, 09:06 AM
Those kids need consequences, but why would that woman allow that to continue? As the adult she should have punished them herself. In every district where I've worked there are grave punishments for misbehavior on the bus. That woman allowed herself to be a victim, so in some ways she is also to blame. As the adult she needs to take up for herself and follow through with punishments

I wondered if anybody would bring this up. She is actually employed to ensure this type of thing does not happen on the bus. :rolleyes: Thats not to excuse the kids behavior, but seriously, the woman should be fired if she's unwilling to do the job for which she is being paid.

latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 09:07 AM
Does anyone know how old are these f'cking kids?junior high level and if she was a bus monitor she was probably sitting towards the back of the bus where the bad kids sit.

Sami76
06-22-2012, 09:07 AM
This is what happens when every kid gets a trophy.

Never understood this. Why try so hard to make every kid feel like a winner? Why not teach them that sometimes they won't be on the winning side and how to be good sports about it?

cgc
06-22-2012, 09:08 AM
They're kids and they do stupid things. I don't know what you can do except explain it to them in no uncertain terms after they make mistakes and do your best to lay down the rules before they make them. All I can say is that my kids would remember the consequences of their actions for the rest of their lives if they did this.

And I get being a kid and doing stupid things...I have a looooong list of personal examples. But there are certain lines I just knew would get me burred in the back yard.


The problem is that too many parents either say "my child would never do that, it must have been someone else" or they say "you better not yell at my kid"

My wife is a school teacher and there was some parents that came in because their child stayed in trouble. The parents went on a tirade about "do you know who my son is going to grow up to be? He's going to play Pro (enter sport here) player....blah, blah, blah..."
Just totally denying that their kid was a huge problem.
It's absolutely absurd what parents think or don't think their kids will do.

SP1966
06-22-2012, 09:08 AM
Never understood this. Why try so hard to make every kid feel like a winner? Why not teach them that sometimes they won't be on the winning side and how to be good sports about it?

Because the people who came up with that rule never won a trophy themselves and were obviously not good sports about it! :)

mslman71
06-22-2012, 09:08 AM
junior high level and if she was a bus monitor she was probably sitting towards the back of the bus where the bad kids sit.

BH could contract himself out as a high paid bus monitor for known problem children.

jdtemple
06-22-2012, 09:09 AM
WTF there wasn't anyone else on the bus???? F'ck that sh!t just pissed me off, if I was on that bus I would be in jail right now for beating the sh!t out of each and everyone of those f'cking kids, serious.
If it was you on that bus instead of that woman, I have a feeling those kids wouldn't say a single disrespectful thing.

Does anyone know how old are these f'cking kids?Looks like about middle school (7th-8th grade).

If my kid was involved in that. Hell, if I even heard him laugh in the background, there would be hell to pay. The thing is, he knows that. So, he wouldn't do it. Even at 5 years old, he knows better.

Brackneyc
06-22-2012, 09:11 AM
Never understood this. Why try so hard to make every kid feel like a winner? Why not teach them that sometimes they won't be on the winning side and how to be good sports about it?


We don't let anyone fail anymore. Been like this since about 1932.

latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 09:11 AM
around here these kids might get booted off the bus for awhile..a week or two but then the parents raise a stink about having to drive their own kids to school or they just let them sit home and skip til they can get back on the bus..telling the school they talked to them about the bad behavior and it will never happen again...uh huh

Sami76
06-22-2012, 09:11 AM
I wondered if anybody would bring this up. She is actually employed to ensure this type of thing does not happen on the bus. :rolleyes: Thats not to excuse the kids behavior, but seriously, the woman should be fired if she's unwilling to do the job for which she is being paid.

It takes a certain person with an authoritative demeanor to work with unruly kids.

whatevergirl
06-22-2012, 09:13 AM
how sad.
i watched the vid clip, thinking...i wonder how often this goes on, nowadays.
i remember bullies as a kid. we all know bullying is not a new thing, but it seems to have taken a really swift turn into a whole different realm, over the past couple of years.

SP1966
06-22-2012, 09:13 AM
It takes a certain person with an authoritative demeanor to work with unruly kids.

It takes a certain person with a knowledge of rocket science to build rockets. If you're not qualified, or willing, don't take the job.

mslman71
06-22-2012, 09:14 AM
It takes a certain person with an authoritative demeanor to work with unruly kids.

Of course, there'd be he11 to pay if she really stood up for herself and gave them a good what-for. The video of the abusive bus monitor would be circulating and outrage (in different circles) would ensue.

Smelly bull
06-22-2012, 09:14 AM
Parents don't instill in their children a moral compass, you know the little things like be nice to others. Instead they teach little Billy don't throw rocks or some other specific behaviour modification that does not help the child make the correct decision, especially in a situation like this.

I truly felt sorry for that lady.

chestnutrice
06-22-2012, 09:14 AM
Props to the woman for being able to deal with that type of harassment. I'd have lost my temper within the first few seconds, much less the whole ride. Well, she'll probably be retiring in a month anyways. She's going to receive a well deserved vacation donation that's already gone past 500,000 in less than a day.

Simpy
06-22-2012, 09:15 AM
Yeah, to some extent I agree, the little Lord of the Flies would've backed down quickly I bet if she had stood up and knocked the sh*t out of one of them after giving them enough rope to hang themselves, but as it was the kids smelled blood.


I wondered if anybody would bring this up. She is actually employed to ensure this type of thing does not happen on the bus. :rolleyes: Thats not to excuse the kids behavior, but seriously, the woman should be fired if she's unwilling to do the job for which she is being paid.Having taught middle school kids I can tell you bees, dogs, and middle schoolers can smell fear. lol. They are far worse than high school kids when it comes to improper behavior and the gang mentality.

As the bus monitor her job is to stop this stuff immediately. I'm sure, as others have said, that this is not the first time she's been treated like this. I know if I were the monitor this would have happened exactly one time. Then they would be off the bus. Period. I can almost assure you she's been through trainings on how to deal with these situations and yet she didn't. I can not in any way excuse the actions of those punk kids, but I can also not excuse her poor reactions as well. Don't fight with them. Put them off. I've known drivers to call the police, stop the bus, and the cops come get the kids. Mom and dad can pick them up at the station.

Sami76
06-22-2012, 09:16 AM
Those kids need consequences, but why would that woman allow that to continue? As the adult she should have punished them herself. In every district where I've worked there are grave punishments for misbehavior on the bus. That woman allowed herself to be a victim, so in some ways she is also to blame. As the adult she needs to take up for herself and follow through with punishments

At first I thought this video was some weird spoof. I don't know why she didn't get the bus driver's attention. Maybe she was too scared to think straight?

latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 09:17 AM
It takes a certain person with a knowledge of rocket science to build rockets. If you're not qualified, or willing, don't take the job.school support staff are often times very low paying jobs with no benefits. She reminds me of the tired and worn out old lunch ladies that have been dealing with sassy kids for twenty years or so.
I would suspect that she realizes that she probably should have retired a long time ago.

whatevergirl
06-22-2012, 09:18 AM
Having taught middle school kids I can tell you bees, dogs, and middle schoolers can smell fear. lol. They are far worse than high school kids when it comes to improper behavior and the gang mentality.

As the bus monitor her job is to stop this stuff immediately. I'm sure, as others have said, that this is not the first time she's been treated like this. I know if I were the monitor this would have happened exactly one time. Then they would be off the bus. Period. I can almost assure you she's been through trainings on how to deal with these situations and yet she didn't. I can not in any way excuse the actions of those punk kids, but I can also not excuse her poor reactions as well. Don't fight with them. Put them off. I've known drivers to call the police, stop the bus, and the cops come get the kids. Mom and dad can pick them up at the station.

agree with you, simpy.

in looking at her lack of response, she seems...i don't know. not all that put off by it. like she's been conditioned to 'accepting' the poor treatment, sadly.

idk if anyone else noticed that, but that struck me as most sad of all. to just stay somewhat blank throughout it all.
shows me, this is a regular occurence, and maybe she feels 'powerless' to stopping it. or maybe fearful.

guess we'll never know.

latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 09:20 AM
agree with you, simpy.

in looking at her lack of response, she seems...i don't know. not all that put off by it. like she's been conditioned to 'accepting' the poor treatment, sadly.

idk if anyone else noticed that, but that struck me as most sad of all. to just stay somewhat blank throughout it all.
shows me, this is a regular occurence, and maybe she feels 'powerless' to stopping it. or maybe fearful.

guess we'll never know.yes, I got the definite impression that this may be a daily event on that bus.

mslman71
06-22-2012, 09:20 AM
agree with you, simpy.

in looking at her lack of response, she seems...i don't know. not all that put off by it. like she's been conditioned to 'accepting' the poor treatment, sadly.

idk if anyone else noticed that, but that struck me as most sad of all. to just stay somewhat blank throughout it all.
shows me, this is a regular occurence, and maybe she feels 'powerless' to stopping it. or maybe fearful.

guess we'll never know.

I also wonder what the limits of her power were, as outlined by the school. Personally, I would've quickly transitioned to "i'll find another job" but it would be interesting to know what she had to work with from a policy perspective.

Sami76
06-22-2012, 09:25 AM
school support staff are often times very low paying jobs with no benefits. She reminds me of the tired and worn out old lunch ladies that have been dealing with sassy kids for twenty years or so.
I would suspect that she realizes that she probably should have retired a long time ago.

That's a good point. Support staff rarely make decent pay, so who's going to be able to afford to take on that job? It's going to be that lady on the bus. Sad.

danap3681
06-22-2012, 09:25 AM
Those kids need consequences, but why would that woman allow that to continue? As the adult she should have punished them herself. In every district where I've worked there are grave punishments for misbehavior on the bus. That woman allowed herself to be a victim, so in some ways she is also to blame. As the adult she needs to take up for herself and follow through with punishments

My mom drove a bus for 25 years. The kids called her Big Sondra. She didn't play around. If kids acted up on her bus she would turn it around and take the bus back to school yard, make everyone unload and wait 10 minutes, then reload the bus with the culprits in the seat right behind her. That was when we were younger. She quit driving the bus years ago after one of the kids came up behind her seat and wrappped his arms around her neck and hung from her neck. She almost wrecked the bus. When she asked to have the child removed from the bus the school refused. So she retired. They said his parents were unable to get him back and forth to school. What the hell ever... the schools around here cater to the the kids and sorry ass parents that can't control their kids bad behavior.

My son grew up saying "yes ma'am" and "yes sir". He still does. He knows he better use manners and have good behavior because we allow nothing less from him.

whatevergirl
06-22-2012, 09:28 AM
yes, I got the definite impression that this may be a daily event on that bus.

not sure who i feel more sorry for...her, or those kids. so young, to have so much anger built up, to feel so insecure and small, that you need to verbally beat up on an elderly woman, in order to feel better about yourself, is just a tragedy. :(


I also wonder what the limits of her power were, as outlined by the school. Personally, I would've quickly transitioned to "i'll find another job" but it would be interesting to know what she had to work with from a policy perspective.


i think it's beyond all that, really. from her reaction, she seems conditioned to thinking she can't do a thing about the behavior.
even if policy is such that dictates she should be reporting the behavior (and maybe she did, we don't know)...fear could be driving that bus.
no pun.

jdtemple
06-22-2012, 09:33 AM
Having taught middle school kids I can tell you bees, dogs, and middle schoolers can smell fear. lol. They are far worse than high school kids when it comes to improper behavior and the gang mentality.

As the bus monitor her job is to stop this stuff immediately. I'm sure, as others have said, that this is not the first time she's been treated like this. I know if I were the monitor this would have happened exactly one time. Then they would be off the bus. Period. I can almost assure you she's been through trainings on how to deal with these situations and yet she didn't. I can not in any way excuse the actions of those punk kids, but I can also not excuse her poor reactions as well. Don't fight with them. Put them off. I've known drivers to call the police, stop the bus, and the cops come get the kids. Mom and dad can pick them up at the station.That's what happens here. My wife teaches middle school. If there's a problem, the bus driver stops and picks up the radio. Cops come take the bad kids.

Kids end up suspended or expelled, and everything is on security camera.

mslman71
06-22-2012, 09:37 AM
That's what happens here. My wife teaches middle school. If there's a problem, the bus driver stops and picks up the radio. Cops come take the bad kids.
Kids end up suspended or expelled, and everything is on security camera.

And this is potentially the other crazy extreme. It seems like we can't deal with situations in a short and meaningful way anymore... Either nothing is done or the cops get involved. Back when what usually happened when you did something stupid (like give a substitute a hard time) was you got sent down to the coaches' office and they knocked you around a little bit and the school called your parents and your parents knocked you around a little bit and life went on. If you did it a few more times then you got suspended.

jdtemple
06-22-2012, 09:40 AM
And this is potentially the other crazy extreme. It seems like we can't deal with situations in a short and meaningful way anymore... Either nothing is done or the cops get involved. Back when what usually happened when you did something stupid (like give a substitute a hard time) was you got sent down to the coaches' office and they knocked you around a little bit and the school called your parents and your parents knocked you around a little bit and life went on. If you did it a few more times then you got suspended.Agree that it's an extreme. But, the fact is, little Johnny's parents are very quick to sue. The kids don't respect adults, and the only thing they understand is physical confrontation. School staff is not allowed to do that; hence police involvement.

When I was a kid, you feared and respected the school staff. I was terrified of the principal. I never saw a cop on campus, except for "Officer Friendly" who would come by once in a while to tell you to wear your seatbelt, and tell you what it was like to be a cop.

I was at a wrestling meet for my wife's school a while back. 3 of the wrestler kids in the stands started getting rough with each other pretty much right in my and my son's (5 years old) lap. I yanked the top one off the pile, stuck his face in mine and said "If you hurt my son, we're going to have a problem. Do you understand?" They immediately stopped.

I'm sure if a teacher did that, they'd be disciplined.

latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 09:44 AM
I always think that this kind of acceptable behavior started a long time ago
authority defiance disorder happens all the time. I find it fascinating actually that it can actually
be diagnosed now as a disorder..
My son's best friend was booted out of three elementary schools. One of them for throwing a chair at his teacher. He has been in and out
of the principal's office all thru junior high. In high school he was put in alternative ed room. He mouths off to all his teachers and tells everyone of them to
"f-off". When he was a kid (4th grade) I would see him and his brother beating the snot out of each other in the front lawn..I knew their dad had a job where he was gone a lot but where was their mother???
He got kicked out of school his senior year for skipping and his Dad threw him out so he came to stay with us for awhile. I gave him rules. I gave him a curfew. I got him back in school. I went to his I.E.P. meetings. I watched over him and encouraged him every time he told me he was stupid. he graduated with my son last year.
rules for children are there for a reason but a rule is not a rule if it is not enforced.

oldskooler
06-22-2012, 09:47 AM
When did we become a society where youngsters behave like they make the rules?

When the government severely handicapped a parents ability to discipline their kids and empowered the kids. Also believe there are a lot of parents that don't know how to raise kids because they weren't raised themesleves which contributes and the overdoing of the self-esteem crap contributes to entitled kids who believe they can do what they want.

latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 09:49 AM
my brother and I were just having this discussion the other day...about how kids seem to feel entitled these days...want everything handed to them on a silver platter but dont want to work for any of it.

erinlee01
06-22-2012, 10:19 AM
Those kids need consequences, but why would that woman allow that to continue? As the adult she should have punished them herself. In every district where I've worked there are grave punishments for misbehavior on the bus. That woman allowed herself to be a victim, so in some ways she is also to blame. As the adult she needs to take up for herself and follow through with punishments

This was my first thought, as well. Monitors are put on buses with issues around here and have the authority to write students up and recommend them for disciplinary action. At the very least, she could have communicated with the bus drive who could have contacted the district office. My son has been written up for everything from talking too loud, to not sitting in his seat, to getting in a fight. Yet no one got written up here? I have no idea, but I would guess that there have been more minor incidents like this on the bus that went ignored. Kids will push boundaries - the further you let them push them, the further they will try.


As for the rest, they are middle school kids. This behavior isn't new to this generation, especially not at this age. They are too young to think through all the consequences. When you get them in a pack, they think even less about what they are going to do.

They deserved to be punished, but criminally charged? That's a bit harsh.

pharmamarketer
06-22-2012, 10:37 AM
Yes


This is what happens when every kid gets a trophy.


And this is why "Time Out" doesn't work.

With as many people you hear flipping out and killing people for needless things (both students and just random people), I don't understand kids like this shooting off their mouths.
You never know you you're talking to.
Sure, stand your ground....but poking a potential nut job? Don't get it.

Also, if I caught my son or daughter EVER speaking to an adult like this......lets just say, it would not go well for them.

oldskooler
06-22-2012, 10:48 AM
This behavior isn't new to this generation, especially not at this age.

Agree and disagree.

Agree- every generation has had kids like this. The behavior in and of itself, is not new to this generation.

Disagree- this generation seems to have exponentially less respect for adults then prior generations. In terms of generational norms, this is relatively new in regards to this generation.

Ed_Hitchens
06-22-2012, 11:01 AM
When did we become a society where youngsters behave like they make the rules?

When parents decided to worship and grovel at the feet of their children like unworthy servants. We are in the age of guilt-based, over-protective parenting, where kids are more of an accessory to a desired lifestyle than an actual individual requiring guidance, care, and proper socialization.

jamacdon
06-22-2012, 12:31 PM
my brother and I were just having this discussion the other day...about how kids seem to feel entitled these days...want everything handed to them on a silver platter but dont want to work for any of it.

I think they learn entitlement from their parents. I know one story where a father came into court where his son had been arrested for assault and battery. The father asked the judge to speed things up since they had a hockey tournament to go to. Judge ended up putting the kid in jail for a while.

nvrstopworking
06-22-2012, 01:32 PM
And this is why "Time Out" doesn't work.

With as many people you hear flipping out and killing people for needless things (both students and just random people), I don't understand kids like this shooting off their mouths.
You never know you you're talking to.
Sure, stand your ground....but poking a potential nut job? Don't get it.

Also, if I caught my son or daughter EVER speaking to an adult like this......lets just say, it would not go well for them.

Yep. There's nothing wrong with an occasional (deserved) spanking IMO. All part of establishing rules and discipline and consequences to actions.

I would have broken my foot off in my kid's ass if I had seen him in that video.... and like mslman said... he would've been doing chores for that lady for a long while after.

itsagoodday
06-22-2012, 01:41 PM
It's in western New York and the kids are 7th graders. Sorry to say that's my neck of the woods, so I've been hearing a lot about it.


"my child would never do that, it must have been soneone else"

And that is exactly what they say around here. A couple of years ago, I saw a kid smash the glass on someone's front door with a rock. The response from his mother was exactly that "it wasn't my kid!". His younger sister was standing there at the time and said "Mom, it was him, I saw him do it, too." The mother turned to her daughter and said "Shut the f*ck up, you weren't there either!"

Sigh.

Sami76
06-22-2012, 01:48 PM
It's in western New York and the kids are 7th graders. Sorry to say that's my neck of the woods, so I've been hearing a lot about it.



And that is exactly what they say around here. A couple of years ago, I saw a kid smash the glass on someone's front door with a rock. The response from his mother was exactly that "it wasn't my kid!". His younger sister was standing there at the time and said "Mom, it was him, I saw him do it, too." The mother turned to her daughter and said "Shut the f*ck up, you weren't there either!"

Sigh.

Ugh, that so-called mother sounds like a woman I had to deal with a few years back. Her son was in-between stays at juvy and decided to mark up my sidewalk with some substance that wouldn't wash away. Good thing my neighbor saw the kid and scared him away. I confront the kid's mother and she got snotty with me, like how dare I accuse her son of doing such a thing. That's when had to bring the cops in on this. As if her delinquent son is more trustworthy than my war veteran neighbor. Riiight.

oldskooler
06-22-2012, 03:01 PM
It's in western New York and the kids are 7th graders. Sorry to say that's my neck of the woods, so I've been hearing a lot about it.



And that is exactly what they say around here. A couple of years ago, I saw a kid smash the glass on someone's front door with a rock. The response from his mother was exactly that "it wasn't my kid!". His younger sister was standing there at the time and said "Mom, it was him, I saw him do it, too." The mother turned to her daughter and said "Shut the f*ck up, you weren't there either!"

Sigh.

I lived the next town over from Greece for three years. Luckily, never encountered any of that. Enjoyed living there.

latebloomingmom
06-22-2012, 04:03 PM
It's in western New York and the kids are 7th graders. Sorry to say that's my neck of the woods, so I've been hearing a lot about it.



And that is exactly what they say around here. A couple of years ago, I saw a kid smash the glass on someone's front door with a rock. The response from his mother was exactly that "it wasn't my kid!". His younger sister was standing there at the time and said "Mom, it was him, I saw him do it, too." The mother turned to her daughter and said "Shut the f*ck up, you weren't there either!"

Sigh.when my son was in third grade a runaway baseball went thru the neighbors garage window.. I stood on the porch and looked at him. His head was down and he knew he had done something wrong. I walked over to the neighbor's house and we knocked on the door. I said my son has something he needs to say to you and then I turned and looked at him..He told him what he had done and that he was really sorry. His allowance was handed over to pay for a new window.

IronCharles
06-22-2012, 04:06 PM
On the bright side an account was set up for donations for this lady to take a nice vacation from the brats, their goal was to raise $5000, currently they have raised in excess of $490000. :eek:
Almost 600k now, with 29 days to go, lol!

And these kids are now under police protection. They confiscated their phones, and one kid has gotten over 1000 angry messages, with numerous death threats.

V-240
06-22-2012, 05:37 PM
This "Trophy Kid" syndrome is interesting, because as these kids enter the work force they present a real challenge to older employees and managers in how to deal with people who want to be rewarded for the smallest things, or want things handed to them on a silver platter without having to earn them. Reality is going to be a cold motherf'cker for these kids.

I mean, they grew up with Barney the Dinosaur and their parents telling them they were great and can be or do anything they want. They saw 25 year olds becoming instant millionaires with Google and Facebook. How do you cope with these high expectations when reality is you might have to take a low paying job (if you can find one) and live over your parents' garage? And if you are their boss, how do you handle their sense of entitlement? Fire them? Try to help them? Slap the sh't out of them?

I found a site with links to articles on this problem: http://www.thetrophykids.com/reviews.html

Re the old woman... She might not be equipped for this job. Maybe she could be transferred to a bus with 5-6 year olds and be replaced with someone like the Gunny Sergeant from "Full Metal Jacket" and the "jack wagon" Geico commercials. I'd love to see THAT surveillance tape!!!

V-240
06-22-2012, 05:58 PM
One of my facebook friends just posted that the woman, Karen Klein, will speak live tonight in about ten minutes on KKSF 910-AM (SF Bay Area). That station is available on the I Heart Radio app.

MiamiSpartan
06-22-2012, 07:54 PM
The parents should be strung up...

V-240
06-22-2012, 07:59 PM
The parents should be strung up...

She just said during the radio interview that the dad of one of the kids came to her to apologize about his son, and he is completely embarrassed and ashamed of his son's behaviour.

When asked by the radio host if she would ever want to meet with any of the kids in person, she politely said no.

Too soon, I guess.. lol

StressMonkey
06-22-2012, 09:46 PM
I couldn't watch more than a minute of that.

A lot of people don't like technology, but because of it the world saw what was happening to this woman.


I also wonder what the limits of her power were, as outlined by the school. Personally, I would've quickly transitioned to "i'll find another job" but it would be interesting to know what she had to work with from a policy perspective.

I would too, but she's a senior citizen making $15k a year. Her options are almost certainly severely limited. Well, they were before the Internet crowd did something about it. :)

thoffland
06-22-2012, 09:48 PM
Damn, even to this day the notion of respecting your elders still sits very strongly with me. I could never imagine treating anyone else like this.

V-240
06-22-2012, 10:02 PM
Yeah, I quit watching after one minute. I wanted to push the monitor off the desk!

Middle school kids in packs are idiots.

IronCharles
06-22-2012, 10:38 PM
I couldn't watch more than a minute of that.



Yeah, I quit watching after one minute. You guys missed the worst parts. They actually threatened to stab her, have sex with her, and rob her house. She certainly has grounds for legal action, if she so chooses.

Sami76
06-23-2012, 05:21 AM
when my son was in third grade a runaway baseball went thru the neighbors garage window.. I stood on the porch and looked at him. His head was down and he knew he had done something wrong. I walked over to the neighbor's house and we knocked on the door. I said my son has something he needs to say to you and then I turned and looked at him..He told him what he had done and that he was really sorry. His allowance was handed over to pay for a new window.

So simple, right? Yet some parents want to protect their child (from what? from learning the meaning of responsibility? I don't know) rather than seeing a situation like that as a teaching opportunity. These parents aren't seeing the forest for trees.

Sami76
06-23-2012, 05:27 AM
Almost 600k now, with 29 days to go, lol!

And these kids are now under police protection. They confiscated their phones, and one kid has gotten over 1000 angry messages, with numerous death threats.

600K! Wow, that is something! Lots of caring people in the world.

I wouldn't wish death threats on these kids, but I hope they're learning a lesson from all this.

Brackneyc
06-23-2012, 06:21 AM
Are we really surprised at this? It has been acceptable to mess and make fun of fat people since there were fat people. There are television shows about fat people, and the government has even vowed to restrict what they can eat/drink by way of laws.

Of course it sucks that this happened, but it sucks "anytime" a fat person gets ridiculed by people.

The only difference here (as compared to other days) was the videotape.

Oh, and don't waste your time worrying about what the parents will do....where do you think kids learn how to act.

Of course, it appears that we will do what we have always done to "fix" most problems....we will give her some money.

thomashenry
06-23-2012, 06:31 AM
It`s obvious civility & decency, not too mention respect is lost in Society, more and more we see it, from all aspects, obvious the MEDIA thrives upon it and in this day where virtually any behavior is tolearted & can go viral in a heartbeat where everyone is an instant celeb, some role models we have that garner the spotlight, personally I would suspend those kids from EVER riding a bus again till they graduate, I would make their PARENTS drive them, or they could Walk or whatever, no matter how much of an inconveinence it is to them, and my response would be TOO BAD, teach the bastards right & wrong maybe the cretins could car pool !

erinlee01
06-23-2012, 06:49 AM
I'm surprised at how many people want legal action taken. No doubt, what the kids did was wrong and they deserve to be punished. But to have a criminal record for something that they did when they were 13? I remember what it was like to be 13 and while I didn't push legal limits, I certainly knew those that did. I'm sure many on here did.

Why are we so quick to want kids to be arrested? I don't get it. What does that solve?

And let's not forget (re: the parents not admitting what their kid did) that we have become a litigious society. The parents of the kid who threw the baseball through the window 50 years ago would have offered to pay for the window and that would have been the end of it. Now, they'd pay for the window, then be sued for something else.

We recently had an incident at Boy Scouts where one scout hit another. The parents of the scout who got hit didn't tell anyone at the meeting (there are at least 10 leaders there every week), but went home and called the police. And are threatening to sue. The child didn't even have a bruise by the next meeting. And after talking to the other scouts, it was accidental (the kids were screwing around and flailing their arms and the kid got hit).

When I was a kid, 2 kids would get in a fight, they'd be punished, and that would be the end of it (unless it was an extreme beat down). Police weren't called. Parents didn't sue one another.

To be honest, I'm not sure I would admit that my kid did anything wrong to anyone else. That's not to say that I wouldn't deal with it at home. I just wouldn't admit it to the other person. Who knows what they'd do once I accepted responsibility. Just like when I am in an accident, I don't admit it was my fault to the other driver.

itsagoodday
06-23-2012, 07:01 AM
I'm surprised at how many people want legal action taken. No doubt, what the kids did was wrong and they deserve to be punished. But to have a criminal record for something that they did when they were 13?

I agree, it's not something I think charges should be pressed for. I like the idea of them losing their school bus riding privileges permanently, for one thing. I can't recall if this has already been said, so sorry if I'm repeating anyone. But this is going to haunt those kids on the internet for the rest of their lives. (And rightly so.) While the media is not reporting their names, the little rocket scientists posted the video and bragged about it THEMSELVES on social media before the news picked it up. Their names are linked to this thing permanently. Every potential employer who uses Google for 5 seconds will find out about this. I think it's safe to say they just limited their future employment options.

Ed_Hitchens
06-23-2012, 11:24 AM
What I found most disturbing was that none of these kids seemed to have that internal "switch" that goes off when you know you've gone too far. Most of us can be cruel, but it takes a special kind of creature to find the effects of your cruelty amusing and to feed off it. Most of us have the switch that tells us to back off, to feel bad, to apologize or make amends. Not these punks. They have nothing but cold ashes inside.

The kid posted this video to Facebook to get a laugh. That alone speaks volumes about the type of character we're dealing with. The fact he found it funny and thought others would find it hilarious shows how sick and out of touch he is. He felt no shame about it at all. That is why one of the so-called "apology" letters said "if someone treated my mother or grandmother...blah, blah, blah" sounded like he was just parroting back what he'd probably been scolded about by his parents.

I honestly think most of the kids involved in this were sociopathic. They had no empathy, no remorse, and no conscience. Their words ring empty to me, but then again my jimmies are seriously rustled about this whole thing.

Karl_Hungus
06-23-2012, 11:28 AM
And these kids are now under police protection. They confiscated their phones, and one kid has gotten over 1000 angry messages, with numerous death threats.

Good! Maybe this will teach them, in a very real way, what the grandmother went through.

MontyMagpie
06-23-2012, 12:11 PM
I read about this in the news today. It's beyond disturbing. What kind of kids talk trash like that to an older lady about wanting to cum and sh!t in her mouth? And at one point in the video the kids even tease her about her deceased son. I hope these kids get what they deserve. And their parents, too.

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Society is down the ****hole, people have no respect anymore. These kids are the internet generation and they just repeat how people speak to each other on the internet, you can see this in every forum, including this one and each of you know who you are who have spoke to me like this. I don't like to call out names but they know who they are.

In my youth if we talked to an adult like that we would get a clip around the ear, adults cannot say anything or give them a clip around the ear as they'd be arrested in today's human children rights type of society but where are the rights for the adult these day?

Now a few weeks or months ago, there was a man that threw a kid off the train that was giving a conductor of a train a mouthful. Many here tried to say the man was wrong to man-handle the kid but I think he was right. Children get away with too much these days.

danap3681
06-23-2012, 12:38 PM
Yeah, I quit watching after one minute. I wanted to push the monitor off the desk!

Middle school kids in packs are idiots.

I was not able to watch it until last night an it made me sick to my stomach. I felt so sorry for that woman. And I am sure in some parts this is something that happens all the time but it is what is tolerated & allowed and it should not be. I absolutely could not watch anymore after she started crying. No one should be treated like that. I hope the parents punish their children and make them offer apologies to this woman. Sad that children are not all taught basic manners, values and morals. Just pathetic!

danap3681
06-23-2012, 12:44 PM
I agree, it's not something I think charges should be pressed for. I like the idea of them losing their school bus riding privileges permanently, for one thing. I can't recall if this has already been said, so sorry if I'm repeating anyone. But this is going to haunt those kids on the internet for the rest of their lives. (And rightly so.) While the media is not reporting their names, the little rocket scientists posted the video and bragged about it THEMSELVES on social media before the news picked it up. Their names are linked to this thing permanently. Every potential employer who uses Google for 5 seconds will find out about this. I think it's safe to say they just limited their future employment options.

I agree charges should not be pressed. I say make them go and do chores for this woman and video that and put it on FB or youtube. Maybe a little humiliation might make them think twice before being such little sh*ts with no respect!

Sami76
06-23-2012, 12:51 PM
I agree charges should not be pressed. I say make them go and do chores for this woman and video that and put it on FB or youtube. Maybe a little humiliation might make them think twice before being such little sh*ts with no respect!

And they need to be on that Scared Straight show, the one where kids get to see the inside of prison life.

danap3681
06-23-2012, 12:56 PM
And they need to be on that Scared Straight show, the one where kids get to see the inside of prison life.

I have seen that show. You know BOOT CAMP's were few and far between when I was coming up. Seems like they are a summer camp for these kids today. It would be like a family reunion for some of them though because so many family members are already there.

latebloomingmom
06-23-2012, 01:17 PM
So simple, right? Yet some parents want to protect their child (from what? from learning the meaning of responsibility? I don't know) rather than seeing a situation like that as a teaching opportunity. These parents aren't seeing the forest for trees.I dont know what it is..been wondering this for awhile now. Is it too much of a hassle, they are too overworked, stressed, tired to actually get off their butts and parent their own children? This is not an easy job or one that is over with quickly. It takes consistently enforcing rules and consequences and it takes a loooooong time for these lessons to sink in. I am not sure if its because the parents did not learn these lessons themselves as children or if it is just because they are lazy parents.

latebloomingmom
06-23-2012, 01:23 PM
What I found most disturbing was that none of these kids seemed to have that internal "switch" that goes off when you know you've gone too far. Most of us can be cruel, but it takes a special kind of creature to find the effects of your cruelty amusing and to feed off it. Most of us have the switch that tells us to back off, to feel bad, to apologize or make amends. Not these punks. They have nothing but cold ashes inside.

The kid posted this video to Facebook to get a laugh. That alone speaks volumes about the type of character we're dealing with. The fact he found it funny and thought others would find it hilarious shows how sick and out of touch he is. He felt no shame about it at all. That is why one of the so-called "apology" letters said "if someone treated my mother or grandmother...blah, blah, blah" sounded like he was just parroting back what he'd probably been scolded about by his parents.

I honestly think most of the kids involved in this were sociopathic. They had no empathy, no remorse, and no conscience. Their words ring empty to me, but then again my jimmies are seriously rustled about this whole thing.I think what you describe as sociopathic behavior is actually accepted and encouraged amongst their peers at this age level. I have also seen similiar behavior and language coming out of high schoolers. They feed off each other. Now, were there some in the group that thought "oh man, we are gonna catch hell for this one" who knows? were there some on that bus that shook their heads and thought "you guys are being mean" ? The camera does not tell us this. Do they feel guilt? remorse? mmmmm. I doubt it. what they only will feel is how this directly affects them.

its like the criminal that thought he was so smart he would never get caught. Is he sorry he did the crime? nope but he is really really sorry he got caught.

It is the belief that rules and consequences do not apply to them because they are 'special' kids ...so much so that not only can they behave however they choose but they can also record it and brag about it.

danap3681
06-23-2012, 01:38 PM
I think what you describe as sociopathic behavior is actually accepted and encouraged amongst their peers at this age level. I have also seen similiar behavior and language coming out of high schoolers. They feed off each other. Now, were there some in the group that thought "oh man, we are gonna catch hell for this one" who knows? were there some on that bus that shook their heads and thought "you guys are being mean" ? The camera does not tell us this. Do they feel guilt? remorse? mmmmm. I doubt it. what they only will feel is how this directly affects them.

its like the criminal that thought he was so smart he would never get caught. Is he sorry he did the crime? nope but he is really really sorry he got caught.

It is the belief that rules and consequences do not apply to them because they are 'special' kids ...so much so that not only can they behave however they choose but they can also record it and brag about it.

My son has a friend we no longer let him hang out with because his mother allows him to go out at age 14 & hang out with 16-21 yr olds & drink & hang out all hours of the night. He came over for my sons b'day party uninvited & hung over. That was it! I spoke to his mom but it did no good. Told my son this morning if the boy came over to where he was he was not to hang out with him because he is a THUG! He told me he was not a thug & he was only like that because his father was not around while he was growing up. I explained that is an excuse & that his mother can be a parent without a man being there. It is about teaching your kids the right way to treat others & what is an is not to be tolerated. This boy was expelled from school for prank calling a teacher & telling her he was going to come to her house & rape her. ?????? He was a good boy for years. Makes me wonder how someone can change so much? Peer pressure??

Nikonguy
06-23-2012, 01:49 PM
Middle school kids in packs are idiots.

Agreed, and for the safety and well being of such idiots I moved up to teaching high school.

Speaking as one who went to Jr. High School (7th, 8th and 9th grade), IMHO the middle school model and the theories behind it have been a horrible social experiment.

latebloomingmom
06-23-2012, 01:50 PM
My son has a friend we no longer let him hang out with because his mother allows him to go out at age 14 & hang out with 16-21 yr olds & drink & hang out all hours of the night. He came over for my sons b'day party uninvited & hung over. That was it! I spoke to his mom but it did no good. Told my son this morning if the boy came over to where he was he was not to hang out with him because he is a THUG! He told me he was not a thug & he was only like that because his father was not around while he was growing up. I explained that is an excuse & that his mother can be a parent without a man being there. It is about teaching your kids the right way to treat others & what is an is not to be tolerated. This boy was expelled from school for prank calling a teacher & telling her he was going to come to her house & rape her. ?????? He was a good boy for years. Makes me wonder how someone can change so much? Peer pressure??hard to say..some of my son's friends in high school were out underage drinking and doing all kinds of horse sh*t they should not have been doing..there was one boy who always had kids over hanging out at his house drinking. Where was his parents? He lived with his mom and she was in the bars. In my opinion, some parents of teenagers make the mistake of allowing bad behavior in their children because they want to be their child's friend and thought of as the 'cool parent'.
sometimes, I think kids turn bad because negative attention is better then no attention at all...

to be a parent of a teenager is not for the faint of heart..but it is the hope that
the morals and values that you have tried to install in them since birth will one day shine thru..
ya know..like when they're twenty:)

danap3681
06-23-2012, 01:56 PM
hard to say..some of my son's friends in high school were out underage drinking and doing all kinds of horse sh*t they should not have been doing..there was one boy who always had kids over hanging out at his house drinking. Where was his parents? He lived with his mom and she was in the bars. In my opinion, some parents of teenagers make the mistake of allowing bad behavior in their children because they want to be their child's friend and thought of as the 'cool parent'.
sometimes, I think kids turn bad because negative attention is better then no attention at all...

True about the cool parent. My nephew was flunking school, acting out, etc so we took him in. Was here 3 years & he improved all around. We have rules here! His mom took him back & all went to sh*t. He dropped out of school an is out running wild at age 17. Breaks my heart. He is still a good kid but she is so busy living her life she cares not one bit about his. He told me a few weeks ago he wished she never came & took him back. I have to agree :(

latebloomingmom
06-23-2012, 02:00 PM
True about the cool parent. My nephew was flunking school, acting out, etc so we took him in. Was here 3 years & he improved all around. We have rules here! His mom took him back & all went to sh*t. He dropped out of school an is out running wild at age 17. Breaks my heart. He is still a good kid but she is so busy living her life she cares not one bit about his. He told me a few weeks ago he wished she never came & took him back. I have to agree :(Oh Lawdy you just described my sister-in-law..went thru her second childhood after divorcing my brother and left her four teenagers to fend for themselves..just about killed me to watch it happen. My oldest nephew dropped out of high school and got into some trouble for a couple years too. My brother stepped in (thank God) and took his children back. My nephew went back at 19 and got his GED and he just now completed his second year at college.

danap3681
06-23-2012, 02:09 PM
Oh Lawdy you just described my sister-in-law..went thru her second childhood after divorcing my brother and left her four teenagers to fend for themselves..just about killed me to watch it happen. My oldest nephew dropped out of high school and got into some trouble for a couple years too. My brother stepped in (thank God) and took his children back. My nephew went back at 19 and got his GED and he just now completed his second year at college.

I am thankful my nephew (after the ass chewing from my husband) went an got his ged as well. He has been working making his own money. He harbors so much resentment towards my sister. She has never really been a "parent". She has always been a "friend"... & a bad one at that! Luckily he comes over alot & my husband talks to him & tries to steer him in the right direction. Hopefully he will be okay. Not a good childhood but he has potential to be successful.

latebloomingmom
06-23-2012, 02:12 PM
I am thankful my nephew (after the ass chewing from my husband) went an got his ged as well. He has been working making his own money. He harbors so much resentment towards my sister. She has never really been a "parent". She has always been a "friend"... & a bad one at that! Luckily he comes over alot & my husband talks to him & tries to steer him in the right direction. Hopefully he will be okay. Not a good childhood but he has potential to be successful.He sounds like a good kid. All ya can do is try to steer him in the right direction whenever you can and at some point he will choose which direction he will go:)

JPN42
06-23-2012, 10:08 PM
get off the internet unless looking for what you want if you can't stomach it.

how much time you waste getting all pissed about this?

Karl_Hungus
06-23-2012, 10:39 PM
get off the internet unless looking for what you want if you can't stomach it.

how much time you waste getting all pissed about this?

How much time are you going to waste getting pissed off about this thread? :confused:

JPN42
06-23-2012, 10:51 PM
How much time are you going to waste getting pissed off about this thread? :confused:

lol

danap3681
06-24-2012, 07:44 AM
get off the internet unless looking for what you want if you can't stomach it.

how much time you waste getting all pissed about this?
About as long as it took you to become "the lowest scum of the boards". Hope you like red skittles :)

flairon
06-24-2012, 09:09 AM
I wondered if anybody would bring this up. She is actually employed to ensure this type of thing does not happen on the bus. :rolleyes: Thats not to excuse the kids behavior, but seriously, the woman should be fired if she's unwilling to do the job for which she is being paid.
And if she had said something or done something, no doubt there would be an army of jerk-off parents up in arms over someone talking to their little unique snowflake in that manner or laying a hand on them.

I remember having stuff beat into my head like 'children are to be seen and not heard', 'respect your elders' etc. when I was that age from practically every direction. Parents, school, I was in the scouts at the time, grandparents, friends of family..etc. If my parents had ever even heard of me being involved in something like that, not to mention video on worldwide public display of their kid being involved, after my ass was done glowing, I would be doing chores like my name was Toby when I wasn't on complete lockdown in the house until they felt I had got the message.

But then again, that was also a time when you didn't need an extra bus monitor because kids riding them weren't little untrained animals and if need be the bus driver would pull that bus over and square you up if you were really acting stupid.

damn kids better stay off my grass...