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Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 05:56 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57452634-10391704/bloomberg-soda-ban-board-of-health-eyes-popcorn-and-milkshakes/

IronCharles
06-13-2012, 06:02 PM
Think of all the cigarettes and booze they can buy with the money they save! ;)

Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 06:03 PM
Think of all the cigarettes and booze they can buy with the money they save! ;)

That is a good point. Smoke em' if you got em.'

SP1966
06-13-2012, 06:03 PM
"We don't know if next it'll be 16 fries on a plate or only one hot dog a day,"


Where does it stop? Does it stop at all?

dbx
06-13-2012, 06:40 PM
Where does it stop? Does it stop at all?

It doesn't. And no, why would it if sheeple continue to let the vast minority control things?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145353891&p=892881681&viewfull=1#post892881681

so-tex
06-13-2012, 06:43 PM
Fukin Bullsh!t. The worse thing of all, they are picking and choosing who can and can't sell Big Gulps? :rolleyes:

SP1966
06-13-2012, 06:45 PM
It doesn't. And no, why would it if sheeple continue to let the vast minority control things?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145353891&p=892881681&viewfull=1#post892881681

The beauty of it all is every article I've read about the ban talks of wanting to 'help'. LOL


help/
Verb:
Make it easier for (someone) to do something by offering aid.
Noun:
Assistance.

OR

force
noun /frs/ 
Coercion or compulsion, esp. with the use or threat of violence
- they ruled by law and not by force

mslman71
06-13-2012, 06:47 PM
Didn't see that coming...

dbx
06-13-2012, 06:48 PM
The beauty of it all is every article I've read about the ban talks of wanting to 'help'. LOL


help/
Verb:
Make it easier for (someone) to do something by offering aid.
Noun:
Assistance.

OR

force
noun /frs/ 
Coercion or compulsion, esp. with the use or threat of violence
- they ruled by law and not by force

What's wrong with that? :confused:. I mean, I've decided to help, "yet to be documented citizens", get their driver's licenses. It's the humane thing to do, and I'm just that kinda guy.......

Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 06:50 PM
Didn't see that coming...


It's ok though, all of the non-soda drinkers and big popcorn eaters will just keep right on pretending the state will stop before they get to "them," and something they actually care about.

SP1966
06-13-2012, 06:51 PM
What's wrong with that? :confused:. I mean, I've decided to help, "yet to be documented citizens", get their driver's licenses. It's the humane thing to do, and I'm just that kinda guy.......

Why would they do that? A license isn't required, you can vote as many times as you like without one...

dbx
06-13-2012, 06:51 PM
It's ok though, all of the non-soda drinkers and big popcorn eaters will just keep right on pretending the state will stop before they get to "them," and something they actually care about.

Oooh........we have a citizen paying attention here! :eek:

;) :)

SP1966
06-13-2012, 06:53 PM
It's ok though, all of the non-soda drinkers and big popcorn eaters will just keep right on pretending the state will stop before they get to "them," and something they actually care about.

I was accused of being part of America's anti-intellectualist movement on another site over this issue! Progressives, they usually make me laugh, just before I cry.

mslman71
06-13-2012, 06:57 PM
It's ok though, all of the non-soda drinkers and big popcorn eaters will just keep right on pretending the state will stop before they get to "them," and something they actually care about.

No, no, and no.... the slippery slope analogy is, uh, what's the liber... uh, I mean, benevolent leaders', term? A logical fallacy... yeah, dat's it, a logical fallacy.

The big problem with slippery slopes is not that they are slippery or that they are slopes, but that you never know how far down they go before reaching the bottom.

SP1966
06-13-2012, 06:58 PM
No, no, and no.... the slippery slope analogy is, uh, what's the liber... uh, I mean, benevolent leaders', term? A logical fallacy... yeah, dat's it, a logical fallacy.

The big problem with slippery slopes is not that they are slippery or that they are slopes, but that you never know how far down they go before reaching the bottom.

The big fallacy is that they are slopes at all, they're a cliff.

Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 07:00 PM
No, no, and no.... the slippery slope analogy is, uh, what's the liber... uh, I mean, benevolent leaders', term? A logical fallacy... yeah, dat's it, a logical fallacy.

The big problem with slippery slopes is not that they are slippery or that they are slopes, but that you never know how far down they go before reaching the bottom.

New Yorkers (and everyone else) have been put on notice. The rest is up to them. They deserve what they get from this point on.

dbx
06-13-2012, 07:00 PM
Why would they do that? A license isn't required, you can vote as many times as you like without one...

Vote twice, vote often, I always say...............

(and believe it or not, I was really trying to tie in a much more hideous and continuing practice of liberals in this country; perverting/changing terms in this country (literally, as they start to die on the vine when being pushed hard) to bamboozle the average Joe. Remember Cap & Trade? After it got a beating after public airing it became...."Pollution Reduction Bill", and "Emissions Trading"...and on and on.

It's more effective than people think, and liberals have not only tapped into this effective tool, but they have practiced honing it. There are many, many more examples, that even conservatives would not recognize as being the same thing they once fought against. Changing names/terms is very effective.

SP1966
06-13-2012, 07:02 PM
New Yorkers (and everyone else) have been put on notice. The rest is up to them. They deserve what they get from this point on.

Ha, this point is midway into the fight. If there is anything new about this its the number of people actually speaking out against it.

latebloomingmom
06-13-2012, 07:07 PM
whew ...
New York=bad
Michigan? not that bad ....yet:)

SP1966
06-13-2012, 07:08 PM
whew ...
New York=bad
Michigan? not that bad ....yet:)

People still live in Michigan?

Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 07:08 PM
Ha, this point is midway into the fight. If there is anything new about this its the number of people actually speaking out against it.

Yes, but the popcorn and coffee are new to the subject of food bans/regulations. Once they get the candy bar and Ju-Ju B crowd involved, this thing will blow up. :)

latebloomingmom
06-13-2012, 07:10 PM
People still live in Michigan?
ya great big ones do...on of the most obese states in the nation.:)

Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 07:12 PM
ya great big ones do...on of the most obese states in the nation.:)


Maybe you guys (my family still lives there) could recruit Bloomberg. He is going to save the world.

latebloomingmom
06-13-2012, 07:14 PM
Maybe you guys (my family still lives there) could recruit Bloomberg. He is going to save the world.
oh ya..like the fatties up here would go for smaller sizes in anything:)
you go into the walmart while up visiting family C?

dbx
06-13-2012, 07:14 PM
Maybe you guys (my family still lives there) could recruit Bloomberg. He is going to save the world.

But it's for their own good, man.

Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 07:17 PM
oh ya..like the fatties up here would go for smaller sizes in anything:)
you go into the walmart while up visiting family C?

I plan to. Got to have my Walmart fix while I am home. I like Meijers as well. Might skip WM and just stick to Meijers. :)

Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 07:17 PM
But it's for their own good, man.

Who is going to volunteer to print the bumper stickers. We must save Michigan.

latebloomingmom
06-13-2012, 07:19 PM
I plan to. Got to have my Walmart fix while I am home. I like Meijers as well. Might skip WM and just stick to Meijers. :)uh huh..I only go to walmart to people watch:) Meijers is where I buy the groceries.

latebloomingmom
06-13-2012, 07:20 PM
Who is going to volunteer to print the bumper stickers. We must save Michigan.
what would these say?
"Shrink the Mitten"

SP1966
06-13-2012, 07:20 PM
Who is going to volunteer to print the bumper stickers. We must save Michigan.

Just give it to the Canadians. They can use it as a prison for all their gay porn star murders!

SP1966
06-13-2012, 07:21 PM
what would these say?
"Shrink the Mitten"

Better they say "Shrink the Kitten" cuz nobody wants a fat kittah!!

latebloomingmom
06-13-2012, 07:21 PM
Just give it to the Canadians. They can use it as a prison for all their gay porn star murders!
da canookians can have da upper...:)

Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 07:22 PM
what would these say?
"Shrink the Mitten"

Might say, "We are from the government, and we are here to help..." :D

so-tex
06-13-2012, 07:23 PM
ya great big ones do...on of the most obese states in the nation.:)Texas is in that catagory as well. All I have to do is go shopping at the local Wal-Mart. I would venture to say that at least 70% of the people in there are obese.

SP1966
06-13-2012, 07:24 PM
Texas is in that catagory as well. All I have to do is go shopping at the local Wal-Mart. I would venture to say that at least 70% of the people in there are obese.

No **** Sherlock. :rolleyes: Everything is bigger in Texas...

so-tex
06-13-2012, 07:25 PM
Might say, "We are from the government, and we are here to help..." :DThat is the biggest lie. The 2nd biggest lie is for you to say, "I am glad to see you." :D.

latebloomingmom
06-13-2012, 07:27 PM
Better they say "Shrink the Kitten" cuz nobody wants a fat kittah!!oh sure that might help the women but what about the guys? beer bellies as far as the eye can see:)

latebloomingmom
06-13-2012, 07:28 PM
That is the biggest lie. The 2nd biggest lie is for you to say, "I am glad to see you." :D.
or ..
"no those pants do not make your *ss look fat":)

SP1966
06-13-2012, 07:28 PM
oh sure that might help the women but what about the guys? beer bellies as far as the eye can see:)

Lets see, how can I put this...















































I don't care.

dbx
06-13-2012, 07:30 PM
Who is going to volunteer to print the bumper stickers. We must save Michigan.

Let's just focus on NY first, OK? After the salt (already addressed!), calories mandatory to be listed (already addressed too, cuz I didn't know that 2 cups of sour cream on top of guacamole on my Gigante Beef Buritto wasn't a good ling), soda (already been assaulted in TV ads, and now...this), butter (now being looked at, naturally...no pun intended here), candy (sure to be next...except chocolate, which has some supposed redeeming qualities), Gluten (not liked by many people), no MSG (you could be allergic), saturated fats, cigarettes (we'll just keep on taxing this "somewhat healthy" cash cow, K? :)), Trans-fat, etc., .......then I'm sure.....we'll eventually add, oh, something.

Damn it, you know what? I just realized that I missed a several items :o

I think I need another beer to slow down and pause a minute. You know, that socially acceptable "exempt" from scrutiny food/drink that we all know is harmless? Yep, that's the one.

So, again, this is about public health concerns, and not arbitrary in any way, right? Got it! Back on track now...

dbx
06-13-2012, 07:32 PM
No **** Sherlock. :rolleyes: Everything is bigger in Texas...

LOFL! :D :D :D

(I don't gush often, so appreciate this call out, bitch)

Nikonguy
06-13-2012, 07:34 PM
LOL, but you can still buy a 40 oz. Old English in NYC

This **** is ****ed up

Karl_Hungus
06-13-2012, 07:35 PM
It doesn't. And no, why would it if sheeple continue to let the vast minority control things?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145353891&p=892881681&viewfull=1#post892881681

Yup, it amazes me when people (in that thread and elsewhere) portray the slippery slope argument as one espoused by conspiratorial reactionaries and nutcases .... yet, here we are, a couple of weeks later, and we are already seeing it happen.

Brackneyc
06-13-2012, 07:35 PM
Let's just focus on NY first, OK? After the salt (already addressed!), calories mandatory to be listed (already addressed too, cuz I didn't know that 2 cups of sour cream on top of guacamole on my Gigante Beef Buritto wasn't a good ling), soda (already been assaulted in TV adds, and now...this), butter (now being looked at, naturally...no pun intended here), candy (sure to be next...except chocolate, which has some supposed redeeming qualities), Gluten (not liked by many people), no MSG (you could be allergic), saturated fats, cigarettes (we'll just keep on taxing this "somewhat healthy" cash cow, K? :)), Trans-fat, etc., .......then I'm sure.....we'll eventually add, oh, something.

Damn it, you know what? I just realized that I missed a several items :o

I think I need another beer to slow down and pause a minute. You know, that socially acceptable "exempt" from scrutiny food/drink that we all know is harmless? Yep, that's the one.

So, again, this is about public health concerns, and not arbitrary in any way, right? Got it! Back on track now...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/EpiFany35/Iceberg.jpg

SP1966
06-13-2012, 07:36 PM
LOFL! :D :D :D

(I don't gush often, so appreciate this call out, bitch)

Call out? Did I say old ****? ;)

so-tex
06-13-2012, 07:41 PM
No **** Sherlock. :rolleyes: Everything is bigger in Texas...


LOFL! :D :D :D

(I don't gush often, so appreciate this call out, bitch)Eff both you sumbiches. :D. Seriously though, When you go into Central Texas, for the most part, they are some of the most fit people I see.

dbx
06-13-2012, 07:44 PM
Yup, it amazes me when people (in that thread and elsewhere) portray the slippery slope argument as one espoused by conspiratorial reactionaries and nutcases .... yet, here we are, a couple of weeks later, and we are already seeing it happen.

You had no idea how glad I was that it was only a week or so before I linkefdthe included post. And it , just that maddening to me. People are so fcking stupid.....as to let such "guardians" control so many aspects of their very lives, and that of their children.


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/EpiFany35/Iceberg.jpg

Yepper....


Call out? Did I say old ****? ;)

No, [i]you just warranted it :p :D

crupiea
06-13-2012, 09:04 PM
Politicians could care less how fat you are.

They just want your tax dollars.

Think about it. The biggest soda you can buy will now be 16 oz. of course you cant get a free refill naymore either so if you want more you will have to buy more and pay more tax on it. In a city the size of new york a penny here and there of tax will add up to millions per year.

And its all in the name of fighting obesity. how nice of them.

If they told you to your face they were going to double tax soda they might not get reelected so this is how they do it.

Same goes with plastic bag bans. In california they estimate that we use 400 bags per second. 31,556,926
seconds in a year. Thats 12,622,770,400 bags per year that stores are giving out and the state isnt getting any tax money of them.

Ban the bags in the name of ecology and they can sell the same bags for .10 each and charge tax for each one.

You know damn good and well that if i can do the math here then politicians have figured it out years ago.

Think before voting. certain groups want these things and other groups dont. I vote for the group that doesnt want these rules to be put into place.

SP1966
06-13-2012, 09:45 PM
When Uncle Sam offers to help I can't help but think of this:

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paolo59
06-14-2012, 06:36 AM
Someone mentioned the fact that citizens who just sit back, voice no concern or opinion, and allow a commission, city/health etc. to regulate their lives in this way 'deserve what they get!' New Yorkers have never been a bunch of soft-spoken, easily steam rolled, lead around by the nose sort of folk. That has always been my perception anyway. It appears to me that they need to get a little vocal in that wonderfully classic "New York" kind of way, and put a stop to this stupidity! :(

Brackneyc
06-14-2012, 06:47 AM
Someone mentioned the fact that citizens who just sit back, voice no concern or opinion, and allow a commission, city/health etc. to regulate their lives in this way 'deserve what they get!' New Yorkers have never been a bunch of soft-spoken, easily steam rolled, lead around by the nose sort of folk. That has always been my perception anyway. It appears to me that they need to get a little vocal in that wonderfully classic "New York" kind of way, and put a stop to this stupidity! :(

About 50% of them are (apparently) soft spoken, or they agree with it.

Bloomeberg is basically saying, "New Yorkers are a bunch of fat asses, and I am going to fix that."


New York, how do yo like that.

paolo59
06-14-2012, 06:56 AM
About 50% of them are (apparently) soft spoken, or they agree with it.

I did read a figure in that range (53% opposed, 47% in favor) on the silly soft-drink proposal. We are sadly becoming a society of pathetic, pitiful, expect and demand that someone (government evidently) tell someone else what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. I'm about ready to spit in the eye of these 'do-gooder,' whining little buggers! :(

Trinity1216
06-14-2012, 06:56 AM
About 50% of them are (apparently) soft spoken, or they agree with it.

Bloomeberg is basically saying, "New Yorkers are a bunch of fat asses, and I am going to fix that."


New York, how do yo like that.

I for one am glad that I do not live in NY anymore. Quite honestly there are a lot more serious issues to worry about fixing in NY.

Brackneyc
06-14-2012, 07:02 AM
I for one am glad that I do not live in NY anymore. Quite honestly there are a lot more serious issues to worry about fixing in NY.

Howdy Sara. I agree totally. They are choosing this one because it will fly by with no (or very little) opposition. Just priming the pump for the bigger ones. :)

Brackneyc
06-14-2012, 07:08 AM
I did read a figure in that range (53% opposed, 47% in favor) on the silly soft-drink proposal. We are sadly becoming a society of pathetic, pitiful, expect and demand that someone (government evidently) tell someone else what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. I'm about ready to spit in the eye of these 'do-gooder,' whining little buggers! :(


I hope they go after smoking/smokers next (100% ban on using, or possessing). For the record, I would oppose that as I do any other bans, but that one would wake a lot of folks up.

What say you Mayor....let's get rid of smoking.

Alcohol after that. You see, I neither smoke nor drink. But, I do see how wrong it is to tell people how to live.

For once, I'd like to see NY get back to being NY.

SasaAndWendy
06-14-2012, 08:46 AM
LOL, but you can still buy a 40 oz. Old English in NYC

This **** is ****ed up

This reminds me of a related story here in Portland with some interesting unintended consequences. In the inner city and the surrounding more upscale area, there was a ban on the sale of single beers, no matter what size, so as to curb the bums from getting drunk and hanging out on the park benches since they tend to buy one beer at a time (usually 40s). What the city council didn't take into account was in those same upscale areas, people tend to buy more locally made microbrews that are bottled in 20 oz singles. They made an exception for some brews and stores but it's still a terrible idea to try to enact these sort of bans, imho. We already have laws on the books for public drunkness and other associated offenses. The last thing we need is more bans, especially those that aren't completely thought out.

mslman71
06-14-2012, 09:08 AM
This reminds me of a related story here in Portland with some interesting unintended consequences. In the inner city and the surrounding more upscale area, there was a ban on the sale of single beers, no matter what size, so as to curb the bums from getting drunk and hanging out on the park benches since they tend to buy one beer at a time (usually 40s). What the city council didn't take into account was in those same upscale areas, people tend to buy more locally made microbrews that are bottled in 20 oz singles. They made an exception for some brews and stores but it's still a terrible idea to try to enact these sort of bans, imho. We already have laws on the books for public drunkness and other associated offenses. The last thing we need is more bans, especially those that aren't completely thought out.


So goes the mindset that doing something is always inherently better than doing nothing.