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cferr839000
05-16-2012, 04:08 PM
Currently trying to cut but wanted to get some opinions on my diet, and what I could do to get a better cut, and then what can I do to start bulking properly without putting on too much weight instead of putting on muscle

Workout days -
6 am - ON Hydrowhey 1 scoop with 8 oz fat free milk
3 optimen multivitamins
During workout - Musclepharm assault, mixed with water
Post workout - 1 scoop hydrowhey with 8 oz fat free milk
9 am - High fiber bagel, 1 cup of egg whites, fish oil
12 pm - 60 grams of walnuts
3 pm - 30 grams of walnuts
6 pm - 6 oz chicken, 2/3 cup brown rice cooked, 1 cup broccoli, fish oil
Before bed - ON Casein protein with 8 oz fat free milk

Days off -
Wake up (varies) - High fiber bagel, 1 cup of egg whites, fish oil, optimen (3)
Before lunch - 60 grams of walnuts
Lunch - 6 oz salmon
After lunch - 3 oz sweet potato fries, 30 grams of walnuts
6 pm - 6 oz chicken, 2/3 cup brown rice cooked, 1 cup broccoli, fish oil
Before bed - ON Casein protein with 8 oz fat free milk

Yea, I know it is not the best diet, that is why I am asking for some improvement tips on how to cut better, and then how to bulk properly and put on muscle and not fat.

Any thoughts?

WonderPug
05-16-2012, 04:09 PM
Wow, you've been completely tricked by nonsense supplement marketing.

Drop all the supplements and compose a reasonable diet. Also, set meal frequency and timing based on preference, as neither directly impact bodyweight or composition.

To learn the basics about nutrition, please see:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=136691851
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=136691851

cferr839000
05-16-2012, 04:16 PM
Any suggestions on a diet I could do then? You seem to know what you are talking about.

RussWheeler
05-16-2012, 04:23 PM
Eat food man, your workout day is just a list of supplments...and walnuts

WonderPug
05-16-2012, 04:24 PM
Any suggestions on a diet I could do then? You seem to know what you are talking about.Start by reading the stickies and then return with any specific questions that you have.

cferr839000
05-16-2012, 04:24 PM
Anyone have some advice for me? I really need help. I want to build the muscle, but not gain alot of weight in the process. I want to stay lean but build muscle, I guess you could say. Please guys, I need help.

WonderPug
05-16-2012, 04:25 PM
Anyone have some advice for me? I really need help. I want to build the muscle, but not gain alot of weight in the process. I want to stay lean but build muscle, I guess you could say. Please guys, I need help.You keep starting threads, asking for help, and yet you refuse to read the stickies, you refuse to learn from your threads and you just start more threads.

Whats the point in that?

cferr839000
05-16-2012, 04:26 PM
Start by reading the stickies and then return with any specific questions that you have.Is there something wrong with taking hydrowhey? or casein? They have seemed to help me, but am I taking too much hydrowhey? When would be the best time to take it? Also would it better to have my fats higher for a cut and lower for a bulk?

yololego
05-16-2012, 04:28 PM
plz stop ignoring the above post's and read the damn stickies all your questions will be answered.

Hitithard89
05-16-2012, 04:28 PM
Is there something wrong with taking hydrowhey? or casein? They have seemed to help me, but am I taking too much hydrowhey? When would be the best time to take it? Also would it better to have my fats higher for a cut and lower for a bulk?

ON must love you

xMetalocalypse
05-16-2012, 04:32 PM
Short attention span much?

cferr839000
05-16-2012, 04:32 PM
So basically, eat more food, less supplements.

xMetalocalypse
05-16-2012, 04:35 PM
So basically, eat more food, less supplements.

Why the hell would you eat MORE food if you're trying to cut?

cferr839000
05-16-2012, 04:36 PM
Why the hell would you eat MORE food if you're trying to cut?I meant instead of the protein shakes. Not in addition to.

WonderPug
05-16-2012, 04:39 PM
So basically, eat more food, less supplements.Why do you refuse to read the stickies and why do you refuse to learn from the answers provided to you in all your previous threads?

xMetalocalypse
05-16-2012, 04:39 PM
I meant instead of the protein shakes. Not in addition to.

As long as they fit your macros, you don't have to get rid of the shakes. However, solid food will provide more "fullness" and shakes aren't necessary. It's preference really. It looks like you've been swayed by some muscle magazine, seriously go over those stickies.

cferr839000
05-16-2012, 04:40 PM
Why do you refuse to read the stickies and why do you refuse to learn from the answers provided to you in all your previous threads?Ok, show me exactly what stickies, not just a link to a hundred stickies.

kasteanal
05-16-2012, 04:42 PM
Ok, show me exactly what stickies, not just a link to a hundred stickies.

Here you go (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144913011&p=883935131&viewfull=1#post883935131)

Edit: And http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121703981

FitnessCPA
05-16-2012, 04:46 PM
Ok, show me exactly what stickies, not just a link to a hundred stickies.

This post: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121703981&p=436716771&viewfull=1#post436716771

cferr839000
05-16-2012, 05:55 PM
Well would this be a good diet to start putting on some muscle for me then? 5 ft 10, 180 lb right now.

Breakfast, 6 am - Optimen (3)
Metrx 100 protein brownie
Preworkout - Assault Musclepharm
Post workout - 1 scoop of ON Hydrowhey, 8 oz fat free milk

Calories - 660 Carbs 63 Fat 13 Protein 69

Between breakfast and lunch - High fiber bagel, 30 grams walnuts, half cup of egg whites, fish oil

Calories - 497 Carbs 42 Fat 24 Protein 28

Lunch - 3 oz carrots, 4 oz chicken, 1/2 cup brown rice

Calories - 305 Carbs 42 Fat 4 Protein 31

Between lunch and dinner - 4 oz turkey breast, 12 grain bread (2), 30 grams walnuts

Calories - 420 Carbs 42 Fat 13 Protein 35

Dinner - 1 cup broccoli, 4 oz chicken, 15 grams of walnuts, 1/2 cup brown rice, fish oil

Calories - 415 Carbs 40 Fat 16 Protein 35

Before bed - 8 oz fat free milk, 1 scoop casein

Calories 210 Carbs 15 Fat 1 Protein 33

Total calories - 2507
Total carbs - 244
Total fat - 71
Total protein - 231

Sound better guys? Sorry, I have read the stickies, maybe I just don't get them, give me some credit for trying though, I could be huge, but I'm not. Help me out fellas.

FitnessCPA
05-16-2012, 05:57 PM
Read the post I linked above and then this one:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=129523333&p=585070323&viewfull=1#post585070323

cferr839000
05-16-2012, 06:08 PM
Read the post I linked above and then this one:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=129523333&p=585070323&viewfull=1#post585070323Check it out now with the details.

cferr839000
05-16-2012, 06:17 PM
well, anybody?

xMetalocalypse
05-16-2012, 06:28 PM
What are you asking for anymore?

Freight19
05-16-2012, 06:29 PM
You need to find out your TDEE (how many total calories you burn in a day), try googling "katch-mcardle formula". Then add 500 to this number as a starting point, that's how many calories you should consume to bulk. Now weigh yourself every week and shoot for a .5-1lb weight gain each week. Obviously if you've found you've gained too much, cut back on the calories. But your protein intake looks good. Good luck sticking to that diet lol. Thought I would try to help you out since you refuse to read the stickies and have pissed off the more knowledgeable members haha

miacanesfan25
05-16-2012, 06:40 PM
Total calories - 2507
Total carbs - 244
Total fat - 71
Total protein - 231


Eat whatever you want that fits within those numbers. Nobody cares what food you eat. Report back in 6 weeks. Clear enough?

FitnessCPA
05-17-2012, 04:39 AM
well, anybody?

If those calories put you in a surplus and are sufficient in macro and micronutrients, then it's fine. I'm guessing it's not because you don't have any fruit in there and very few vegetables.

Fat looks low. Calories look low. But I have no idea what your TDEE is so I can't make that determination for certain.

Why are you taking so many protein supplements?