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TranceNRG
05-08-2012, 02:35 PM
Interesting Read:

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/29/your_brain_on_white_people/singleton/


Neuroscience shows the media's overwhelming whiteness really is changing our minds. But we can change them back

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The trick is, quite simply, to acknowledge race and racism, and to talk about it. Many white parents avoid the subject like the plague — in one notorious instance, parents pulled out children en masse from a study when they learned it would entail talking about race. But this strategy doesn’t produce colorblind citizens. It creates shows like “Girls,” “Seinfeld” and “Sex in the City.” It perpetuates a society that historically has pretended to be entirely Anglo-Saxon.

In fact, many, many studies find that children whose parents talk with them about race ultimately become less prejudiced. Talking is how we become conscious of subconscious biases — bias against anyone or anything, not just people of different races. All this science stuff sounds high-minded and earnest, doesn’t it? Is it even possible to apply these insights to a TV show without wrecking its entertainment value? Is it possible to depict racially insular and casually prejudiced white people in a way that doesn’t promote insularity and prejudice, as “Girls” does?

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ViolentZ
05-08-2012, 02:40 PM
Does the media shows overwhelmingly white people ? Interdasting. Most shows I see, there is some black dude there. But I gotta agree, maybe they should start with horror movie where blacks don't die :D

WIJG
05-08-2012, 02:41 PM
How's Seinfeld Anglo-Saxon?

ViolentZ
05-08-2012, 02:58 PM
Yea, you can't get more jewish than larry david

JUSA
05-08-2012, 03:09 PM
Does the media shows overwhelmingly white people ? Interdasting. Most shows I see, there is some black dude there. But I gotta agree, maybe they should start with horror movie where blacks don't die :D I think the problem, as you pointed out with the horror movie analogy, is that Hollywood tends to toss in worthless token black characters and not really do anything more. In any non-black movie, you won't see many deep, thoughtful black characters, unless they're big enough names that they have broken the mold and are thought of as a person, rather than a nameless black dude (Denzel Washington, Will Smith, S. Jackson, etc).

To me, it highlights the racist minds of liberals. Yeah, they can be just as racist as Rednecks and conservatives. This notion that you do something insulting like this, to me, is pretty damn racist.

deepintexas91
05-08-2012, 03:11 PM
I think many white people would do well to watch this. Helps people see how prejudices are unconsciously proliferated.

XAv8JA_9uKI

The_Zodiac
05-08-2012, 03:12 PM
They hinted that there was something wrong with Seinfeld. I will now disregard anything they have to say.

MrRIP
05-08-2012, 03:19 PM
I didn't really like the theme of the thread but it still drew me in. When I read the blurb "everythin went better than expected"

a general conversation on race would definitely help the society come to grips with some of our social problems, but it cant be about black and white. It HAS to include everyone Black White Latin Asian, etc. Because theres racism on all sides.

permabayne
05-08-2012, 03:21 PM
Imagine if this article was titled "Your Brain On Black People." I rest my case. Point the finger at whites all day long, but non-whites are the problem with this racism debate.

speedycon7
05-08-2012, 04:07 PM
Imagine if this article was titled "Your Brain On Black People." I rest my case. Point the finger at whites all day long, but non-whites are the problem with this racism debate.

According to these people you are allowed to discriminate against whites because we are born with some sort of privilege that constantly needs to be taken away.

hooked4life
05-08-2012, 04:12 PM
Some black hobos yesterday started calling after me - calling me a cracker ass honky and **** (they were jelly I was carrying a cube of beer :P). All I could think to myself was "what if I had called back at them with some black slur?"

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Bushmaster
05-08-2012, 04:13 PM
Some black hobos yesterday started calling after me - calling me a cracker ass honky and **** (they were jelly I was carrying a cube of beer :P). All I could think to myself was "what if I had called back at them with some black slur?"

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You'd be on the news as a part of the next racial incident du jour.

hooked4life
05-08-2012, 04:14 PM
You'd be on the news as a part of the next racial incident du jour.

Probably, and I bet there would be people rushing to defend them.

Bushmaster
05-08-2012, 04:16 PM
Probably, and I bet there would be people rushing to defend them.

No two ways about it. Probably even get a neg train run on you here lol..

Blindead
05-08-2012, 04:20 PM
Real talk: white ppl are ****ing crazy.

SheHadMANHands
05-08-2012, 04:26 PM
The trick is, quite simply, to acknowledge race and racism, and to talk about it. Many white parents avoid the subject like the plague — in one notorious instance, parents pulled out children en masse from a study when they learned it would entail talking about race. But this strategy doesn’t produce colorblind citizens. It creates shows like “Girls,” “Seinfeld” and “Sex in the City.” It perpetuates a society that historically has pretended to be entirely Anglo-Saxon.
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:O

So because the US population is 12% blacks (1990s), Seinfeld must include 50/50 split of black and white characters, and avoid identifying with the target audience.

There is nothing worse, nothing, than self-pity.

MrRIP
05-08-2012, 04:32 PM
:O

So because the US population is 12% blacks (1990s), Seinfeld must include 50/50 split of black and white characters, and avoid identifying with the target audience.

There is nothing worse, nothing, than self-pity.


Thats not the entire argument of the article at sll

MrRIP
05-08-2012, 04:33 PM
According to these people you are allowed to discriminate against whites because we are born with some sort of privilege that constantly needs to be taken away.

I believe your talking about white privilege. Nobody is trying to take it away persay tho

and herewego.gif -_-

SheHadMANHands
05-08-2012, 04:40 PM
Thats not the entire argument of the article at sll

You're right that it's not, and wrong in implying that I intended to address the "entire argument of the article". Just defending Seinfeld brah

zwdog1122
05-08-2012, 04:40 PM
From Wikipedia:
Race / Ethnicity Number Percentage of
U.S. population
White 223,553,265 72.4 %
Black or African American 38,929,319 12.6 %
American Indian or Alaska Native 2,932,248 0.9 %
Asian 14,674,252 4.8 %
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 540,013 0.2 %
Some other race 19,107,368 6.2 %
Two or more races 9,009,073 2.9 %


Pretty sure there's a white majority still... Plus, Jews aren't white (Sienfeld) (srs)

TranceNRG
05-08-2012, 04:45 PM
The main argument in the article (or at least one of the main arguments) has to do with our subconscious biases.
It basically says with a white-majority TV shows, we perpetuate our "racist" subconscious biases.

IF we want to lessen or remove our subconscious biases, THEN we need to change our media.

doobiebro
05-08-2012, 04:45 PM
I think many white people would do well to watch this. Helps people see how prejudices are unconsciously proliferated.

XAv8JA_9uKI

that's the dumbest **** i've ever watched.

tempted to neg.

McPeePants1
05-08-2012, 04:47 PM
http://oi50.tinypic.com/nmycgm.jpg

jmonty
05-08-2012, 04:50 PM
i heard something about "girls" on npr today. it was about how people criticized it for being all about privileged white girls, and i thought, "who gives a fcuk?"

never had heard of the show before.

MrRIP
05-08-2012, 04:50 PM
From Wikipedia:
Race / Ethnicity Number Percentage of
U.S. population
White 223,553,265 72.4 %
Black or African American 38,929,319 12.6 %
American Indian or Alaska Native 2,932,248 0.9 %
Asian 14,674,252 4.8 %
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 540,013 0.2 %
Some other race 19,107,368 6.2 %
Two or more races 9,009,073 2.9 %


Pretty sure there's a white majority still... Plus, Jews aren't white (Sienfeld) (srs)

Where's Hispanics?

doobiebro
05-08-2012, 04:52 PM
The main argument in the article (or at least one of the main arguments) has to do with our subconscious biases.
It basically says with a white-majority TV shows, we perpetuate our "racist" subconscious biases.

IF we want to lessen or remove our subconscious biases, THEN we need to change our media.

I've thought for a while now that if hot black chicks started doing porn, you would see a cultural shift pretty much overnight. Think about it.

zwdog1122
05-08-2012, 04:55 PM
Where's Hispanics?

Oh sorry, didn't copy right (srs):
Race / Ethnicity Number Percentage of
U.S. population
Americans 308,745,538 100.0 %
White 223,553,265 72.4 %
Black or African American 38,929,319 12.6 %
American Indian or Alaska Native 2,932,248 0.9 %
Asian 14,674,252 4.8 %
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 540,013 0.2 %
Some other race 19,107,368 6.2 %
Two or more races 9,009,073 2.9 %
Not Hispanic or Latino 258,267,944 83.7 %
Non-Hispanic White 196,817,552 63.7 %
Non-Hispanic Black or African American 37,685,848 12.2 %
Non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native 2,247,098 0.7 %
Non-Hispanic Asian 14,465,124 4.7 %
Non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 481,576 0.2 %
Non-Hispanic Some Other Race 604,265 0.2 %
Non-Hispanic Two or more races 5,966,481 1.9 %
Hispanic or Latino 50,477,594 16.3 %
White Hispanic 26,735,713 8.7 %
Black or African American Hispanic 1,243,471 0.4 %
American Indian or Alaska Native Hispanic 685,150 0.2 %
Asian Hispanic 209,128 0.1 %
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander Hispanic 58,437 0.0 %
Some Other Race Hispanic 18,503,103 6.0 %
Two or more races Hispanic 3,042,592 1.0 %
Total 308,745,538 100.0%

nohomobrah
05-08-2012, 05:00 PM
I think many white people would do well to watch this. Helps people see how prejudices are unconsciously proliferated.

XAv8JA_9uKI

I only watched up until eight minutes, but I would call out that old hag for tearing people up so badly while making no sense regardless of the color of their skin. I guarantee you that if she was bitching like that and saying she didn't care if she was contradicting herself towards anyone in that room people would have started speaking out.

I am a Texan, I know there are racists out there, but that lady is ineffective in convincing me.

juggerburn
05-08-2012, 05:22 PM
As soon as someone brings up race, the lot of you get defensive instead of listening to said person. It's funny, the reactions in this thread are the same as the reactions in the video. Before anyone knows what the experiment is about, they all get defensive and make strawman arguments. I for one, am black, and will be watching the video giddy eyed with a hard dick in hand lol.

Newbtime
05-08-2012, 05:22 PM
I think many white people would do well to watch this. Helps people see how prejudices are unconsciously proliferated.

XAv8JA_9uKI


lmfao


what a psycho self loathing brainwasher. Throws people out the minute she gets questioned. Hilarious.


My favorite part was when she judged people by the color of their skin, made judgments about their past, character and opinions based solely on their skin tone, whilst talking about how racism is bad.


what a surprise that such a self loathing idiot has no formal education.



I also found it pretty funny how the narration of the video was saying how the "blue eyes" couldn't tolerate being belittled, when they were actually pointing out she wasn't making sense, and they actually had brown eyes.



Brb being called a racist because I don't like being called a racist because of my physical appearance.

anonymousceleb
05-08-2012, 05:34 PM
Most of what people have racist reactions to is due to non-assimilatory ethnicities. If people didn't perpetuate pocket cultures and just blended in like people used to do, there wouldn't be much conflict.

juggerburn
05-08-2012, 05:34 PM
lmfao


what a psycho self loathing brainwasher. Throws people out the minute she gets questioned. Hilarious.


My favorite part was when she judged people by the color of their skin, made judgments about their past, character and opinions based solely on their skin tone, whilst talking about how racism is bad.


what a surprise that such a self loathing idiot has no formal education.



I also found it pretty funny how the narration of the video was saying how the "blue eyes" couldn't tolerate being belittled, when they were actually pointing out she wasn't making sense, and they actually had brown eyes.



Brb being called a racist because I don't like being called a racist because of my physical appearance.

Everything she does in the video was to prove a point. She's been conducting these experiments for decades. Don't you think she would take due care to make sure she isn't hypocritical as it diminishes her credibility? And I don't see what makes her self-loathing. Anyway, I'm only on part 2.

Newbtime
05-08-2012, 05:38 PM
Everything she does in the video was to prove a point. She's been conducting these experiments for decades. Don't you think she would take due care to make sure she isn't hypocritical as it diminishes her credibility? And I don't see what makes her self-loathing. Anyway, I'm only on part 2.

No it wasn't. It was trying to right a wrong with another wrong, while using the same full retard logic she is trying to fight against.


Her entire premise was white people with light eyes are more racist, and cannot be subjected to racism. That in and of itself is racism.

juggerburn
05-08-2012, 06:09 PM
No it wasn't. It was trying to right a wrong with another wrong, while using the same full retard logic she is trying to fight against.


Her entire premise was white people with light eyes are more racist, and cannot be subjected to racism. That in and of itself is racism.

Alright, I watched the whole thing. I think she should have actors on the brown eyed side because some of the brown team screwed up the experiment here and there. In general, her experiments should have more structure. It becomes more of a discussion than an experiment. Discussion should have been saved until the end, but then I'm not running the show.

WIJG
05-08-2012, 06:14 PM
lmfao


what a psycho self loathing brainwasher. Throws people out the minute she gets questioned. Hilarious.


My favorite part was when she judged people by the color of their skin, made judgments about their past, character and opinions based solely on their skin tone, whilst talking about how racism is bad.


what a surprise that such a self loathing idiot has no formal education.



I also found it pretty funny how the narration of the video was saying how the "blue eyes" couldn't tolerate being belittled, when they were actually pointing out she wasn't making sense, and they actually had brown eyes.



Brb being called a racist because I don't like being called a racist because of my physical appearance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott

She's not qualified to do any of this shyt. She's an 'anti-racism activist'. i.e a white woman with too much time on her hands. She did this with her 3rd grade class!? This is one of the reasons I hate public schools. Fukking crazy wing nuts get in there and run their agenda.

brighamw
05-08-2012, 06:40 PM
I've thought for a while now that if hot black chicks started doing porn, you would see a cultural shift pretty much overnight. Think about it.

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac131/cable9/25-OG-Come-On-Son.gif

ll ReNeGaDe ll
05-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Some black hobos yesterday started calling after me - calling me a cracker ass honky and **** (they were jelly I was carrying a cube of beer :P). All I could think to myself was "what if I had called back at them with some black slur?"

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I wasn't aware that the word honkey was associated with hundreds of years of oppression against whites. Were you offended?

ll ReNeGaDe ll
05-08-2012, 06:47 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott

She's not qualified to do any of this shyt. She's an 'anti-racism activist'. i.e a white woman with too much time on her hands. She did this with her 3rd grade class!? This is one of the reasons I hate public schools. Fukking crazy wing nuts get in there and run their agenda.

Her re-make is pretty retarded but her results when doing it with her 3rd grade class are very important to think about. When one group of kids felt that the other group of kids got preferential treatment or were superior to them, their memory abilities decreased and they overall performed worse on cognitive tasks. This led to a series of real experiments conducted by psychologists that showed that your belief of how society views your race's performance on certain tasks will alter your own performance on those tasks.

Her re-make of her experiment was different and fukking retarded though.

Dave22reborn
05-08-2012, 07:14 PM
Some black hobos yesterday started calling after me - calling me a cracker ass honky and **** (they were jelly I was carrying a cube of beer :P). All I could think to myself was "what if I had called back at them with some black slur?"

...

Give me a break, there is no white racial slur, that will cause any of us to rage.

WIJG
05-08-2012, 08:26 PM
Her re-make is pretty retarded but her results when doing it with her 3rd grade class are very important to think about. When one group of kids felt that the other group of kids got preferential treatment or were superior to them, their memory abilities decreased and they overall performed worse on cognitive tasks. This led to a series of real experiments conducted by psychologists that showed that your belief of how society views your race's performance on certain tasks will alter your own performance on those tasks.

Her re-make of her experiment was different and fukking retarded though.

Right, so I'm not so excited about the end here, as I'm already distraught with the means. Did the parents give permission?

ll ReNeGaDe ll
05-08-2012, 08:56 PM
Right, so I'm not so excited about the end here, as I'm already distraught with the means. Did the parents give permission?

Obviously not. It was the 60s, and ethics were down the shtter.

Also, those kids did not suffer any real damage. They were not priveleged for one day in their life, big whoop.

WIJG
05-08-2012, 09:07 PM
Obviously not. It was the 60s, and ethics were down the shtter.

Also, those kids did not suffer any real damage. They were not priveleged for one day in their life, big whoop.

The teacher singled me out for my ethnicity around that age and I'm still pissed about it. I can't debate the concept with you, as I have no background in psychology. If I was a parent during the 60's, I'd take advantage of such malleable ethics and smack her in the face. And I say this as a calm brown-eyed devil.

ll ReNeGaDe ll
05-08-2012, 09:14 PM
The teacher singled me out for my ethnicity around that age and I'm still pissed about it. I can't debate the concept with you, as I have no background in psychology. If I was a parent during the 60's, I'd take advantage of such malleable ethics and smack her in the face. And I say this as a calm brown-eyed devil.

As a fellow brown eyed devil, I would lol hard if I remembered that for a day my blue eyed classmates got preferential treatment. In fact, they probably did on some level.

Edit: Now that I think about it. We were told by one of our teachers that girls are smarter. The teacher stated this as a fact, "I'm sorry, but its true," she said. I remember believing her. Unlike what this lady (experimenter) did, we were never told anything to the contrary.... Ever. So we basically spent the remainder of the school year with that thought in our head. Not even mad.

SheHadMANHands
05-08-2012, 09:14 PM
http://i.qkme.me/3ovaou.jpg

What if I told you it's racist to assume blacks are racist, because they assume white people are racist?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100108063233/uncyclopedia/images/archive/b/b5/20100108063328!Exploding-head.gif

flyingpants
05-08-2012, 09:18 PM
What sort of crazy person would read and pay attention to the communist and cultural marxist propaganda at salon.com?

WIJG
05-08-2012, 09:21 PM
As a fellow brown eyed devil, I would lol hard if I remembered that for a day my blue eyed classmates got preferential treatment. In fact, they probably did on some level.

Edit: Now that I think about it. We were told by one of our teachers that girls are smarter. The teacher stated this as a fact, "I'm sorry, but its true," she said. I remember believing her. Unlike what this lady (experimenter) did, we were never told anything to the contrary.... Ever. So we basically spent the remainder of the school year with that thought in our head. Not even mad.

Funny, I was told the exact same thing by one of my teachers.

hooked4life
05-08-2012, 09:54 PM
Give me a break, there is no white racial slur, that will cause any of us to rage.

i don't like the heckler's veto argument.