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BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 07:09 AM
So todday I checked to see what I weigh and my body fat the scale said i was 155.4 at 12.8% using some calculations that means i'm about 135.6 lb LBM but just a few days ago i was 156.6 13.3% body fat meaning i was 135.8 lb LBM. My macros right now are roughly 175p/195c/70f for a total of 2100 calories does this seem normal to you guys.

lee__d
03-16-2012, 07:11 AM
go by gym strength, not scales, they are far too inaccurate

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 07:25 AM
go by gym strength, not scales, they are far too inaccurate

not sure what you mean by gym strength how much i can lift don't know how that would measure my body fat %

lee__d
03-16-2012, 07:26 AM
not sure what you mean by gym strength how much i can lift don't know how that would measure my body fat %

if you're strength in the gym is not decreasing (that much or at all), you're probably not losing muscle...

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 07:29 AM
if you're strength in the gym is not decreasing (that much or at all), you're probably not losing muscle...

Well i don't go to a gym and lift right now i'm doing a p90x/insanity hybrid because there is nowhere to lift around me. I live in a very small town.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 07:46 AM
bump

phozosado
03-16-2012, 08:02 AM
You can't totally avoid muscle loss on a cut, but you can minimize it.

In your case, you likely wont get very good results because you're already too light for your height and shouldn't be cutting, in my opinion. You need to add muscle mass first.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 08:04 AM
You can't totally avoid muscle loss on a cut, but you can minimize it.

In your case, you likely wont get very good results because you're already too light for your height and shouldn't be cutting, in my opinion. You need to add muscle mass first.

well i know i need to go on a clean bulk but in 9 weeks i leave for air force bmt so i can't be bulking right now but at least i can get to 10% and while i'm in basic and tech school i don't have to worry about it as much then when i get to my first base it's right into a clean bulk up to 15% then cut back to 10% again and continue

phozosado
03-16-2012, 08:10 AM
well i know i need to go on a clean bulk but in 9 weeks i leave for air force bmt so i can't be bulking right now but at least i can get to 10% and while i'm in basic and tech school i don't have to worry about it as much then when i get to my first base it's right into a clean bulk up to 15% then cut back to 10% again and continue


Good luck.

BDeblo
03-16-2012, 08:10 AM
well i know i need to go on a clean bulk but in 9 weeks i leave for air force bmt so i can't be bulking right now but at least i can get to 10% and while i'm in basic and tech school i don't have to worry about it as much then when i get to my first base it's right into a clean bulk up to 15% then cut back to 10% again and continue

what's your definition if clean bulk? Just so we're all straight

phozosado
03-16-2012, 08:11 AM
^^^ Not gonna get straight, man.

Another young guy who'd rather be 140 pounds at 10% than 170 pounds and strong.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 08:23 AM
what's your definition if clean bulk? Just so we're all straight

Well let's see from what i'm seeing reading other peoples post about clean bulking i would raise my calories to probably 2900 or 3000 i'm not sure which yet eating about 200g of protein , 85g of fat, but i can't figure out the carb intake though

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 08:24 AM
^^^ Not gonna get straight, man.

Another young guy who'd rather be 140 pounds at 10% than 170 pounds and strong.

would i be 140 at 10% because i'm not sure i'm thinking 150 if it's 140 then i need to start bulking asap

justinjude
03-16-2012, 08:31 AM
would i be 140 at 10% because i'm not sure i'm thinking 150 if it's 140 then i need to start bulking asap

I'm going to be blunt.

You're going to get your ass handed to you in basic if you don't put on some weight.

Also, insanity /p90x assume a maintenance or higher calorie intake.

Unless you're 5'5, you need to put some meat on dem bones, so you're not struggling to keep up.

Also, body weight exercises will be crucial. Peruse the forums and find some, find a tree, and start climbing.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 08:35 AM
I'm going to be blunt.

You're going to get your ass handed to you in basic if you don't put on some weight.

Also, insanity /p90x assume a maintenance or higher calorie intake.

Unless you're 5'5, you need to put some meat on dem bones, so you're not struggling to keep up.

Also, body weight exercises will be crucial. Peruse the forums and find some, find a tree, and start climbing.

i'm not sure what you mean by i'll get my ass handed to me i mean i do push ups, pull up, sit ups, all that stuff all the time timed. In 1 minute I think i was doing 55 or so pushups maybe more, situps about 60-65, and pull ups not timed but i can do 20 so i'm not sure what you mean. I'm not saying i won't bulk i need to bulk to reach my goal of 190 8% body fat but i can't bulk right now i don't have the money to do it right now

justinjude
03-16-2012, 08:46 AM
i'm not sure what you mean by i'll get my ass handed to me i mean i do push ups, pull up, sit ups, all that stuff all the time timed. In 1 minute I think i was doing 55 or so pushups maybe more, situps about 60-65, and pull ups not timed but i can do 20 so i'm not sure what you mean. I'm not saying i won't bulk i need to bulk to reach my goal of 190 8% body fat but i can't bulk right now i don't have the money to do it right now


How tall are you, and what's your regular diet like?

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 08:47 AM
How tall are you, and what's your regular diet like?

well my side bar whatever you call it says i'm 5'10" my diet is really good very clean eating like i said i'm cutting to 10% so it has to be

justinjude
03-16-2012, 08:48 AM
well my side bar whatever you call it says i'm 5'10" my diet is really good very clean eating like i said i'm cutting to 10% so it has to be

Post your diet

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 08:53 AM
Post your diet you mean my macros because if i post my full diet it would be huge and time consuming i will tell you my macros are 175g protein/195g carbs/ 70g fats

justinjude
03-16-2012, 08:56 AM
you mean my macros because if i post my full diet it would be huge and time consuming i will tell you my macros are 175g protein/195g carbs/ 70g fats

Good luck with basic

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 08:57 AM
Good luck with basic

Thanks man but why did you say for me to post my diet?

influence
03-16-2012, 09:06 AM
I would consider bulking at those stats. But to each their own.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 09:06 AM
I would consider bulking at those stats. But to each their own.

yes i would to like i've said before i want to bulk but can't right now it sucks

phozosado
03-16-2012, 09:09 AM
Your excuse for not bulking doesn't make any sense. It isn't any more expensive or time consuming than cutting is. If it is, then you're probably doing it wrong. No offense, but you seem like you're gonna do what you're gonna do despite any opinions here so like the man said: "good luck with basic."

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 09:12 AM
Your excuse for not bulking doesn't make any sense. It isn't any more expensive or time consuming than cutting is. If it is, then you're probably doing it wrong. No offense, but you seem like you're gonna do what you're gonna do despite any opinions here so like the man said: "good luck with basic."

well think about it this was my parent buy the food not me and already they complain that i have to have "special food" even though stuff like protein powder i buy my self but if i went on a bulk right now that even more money out of their pockets just for me to leave in nine weeks. I'm fine with bulking but i don't have a job so i don't have a way of buying my own food but when i get in the air force i will

nabokov7
03-16-2012, 09:21 AM
bump

Hydrostatic testing of body fat has a tough time with degree of accuracy so I highly doubt your scale giving you precisely 12.8% is correct in the first place. I think you'll have better luck posting a picture in the estimation thread - post a picture and I'll give you an estimate if you want.

Use a combination of taking your scale weight, body measurements, strength status, photographs and a better body fat estimation tool (callipers or a health centre administered bioimpedance test) to take a multifaceted approach to ascertaining your progress.

phozosado
03-16-2012, 09:22 AM
^^ Makes sense to a degree, but a jar of peanut butter is all that stands between a cut and a bulk if your macros are as squared away as your'e stating.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 09:25 AM
^^ Makes sense to a degree, but a jar of peanut butter is all that stands between a cut and a bulk if your macros are as squared away as your'e stating.

oh no i eat quite a bit of natural pb it's more so carbs and protein not fats i mean on a bulk you have to eat quite a bit of carbs

phozosado
03-16-2012, 09:27 AM
i mean on a bulk you have to eat quite a bit of carbs

No you don't. Mine are between 150 and 200 a day when bulking.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 09:28 AM
Hydrostatic testing of body fat has a tough time with degree of accuracy so I highly doubt your scale giving you precisely 12.8% is correct in the first place. I think you'll have better luck posting a picture in the estimation thread - post a picture and I'll give you an estimate if you want.

Use a combination of taking your scale weight, body measurements, strength status, photographs and a better body fat estimation tool (callipers or a health centre administered bioimpedance test) to take a multifaceted approach to ascertaining your progress.

Well there's a problem with that i've posted pictures before a people were giving me really weird estimates well it turn out that due to losing near 100 lbs i have loose skin around my lower abdominals and around my stomach in general making me look like i have more body fat then i do. From what I've read the only way to get rid of that is to gain muscle which is what i was going to do anyway gain muscle by bulking to 15% bf then but back to 10% and continue doing that.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 09:29 AM
No you don't. Mine are between 150 and 200 a day when bulking.

you're talking about fats you eat 150 to 200g of fat a day i did my estimates on the stickies of what my macro split should be and i'm getting 208g protein/ 90g fat / 315g carbs at 2900 calories

wwazza
03-16-2012, 09:40 AM
Rice and Pasta mate, cheap way to get them carbs in when bulking.

My personal preference is white rice, but I like wholemeal pasta which helps get more fibre into your diet.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 09:41 AM
Rice and Pasta mate, cheap way to get them carbs in when bulking.

My personal preference is white rice, but I like wholemeal pasta which helps get more fibre into your diet.

i eat brown rice, oatmeal, and beans for my carbs but all i would have to do is increase the amount huh

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 09:51 AM
bump?

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 10:01 AM
how would i get my protein up to 200 though

Esthetique
03-16-2012, 10:07 AM
O lawd. You'll look like an auszwitch prisoner if you cut. Bulk up to atleast 170 before you cut, lol. And start hittin weight in the gym.

Esthetique
03-16-2012, 10:08 AM
how would i get my protein up to 200 though

Protein shake? lol.

influence
03-16-2012, 10:13 AM
Shakes, egg whites, beans, lentils and other grains, cottage cheese, peanut butter. Just do your research.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 10:45 AM
Protein shake? lol.

well i already drink 2 protein shakes a day

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 10:46 AM
O lawd. You'll look like an auszwitch prisoner if you cut. Bulk up to atleast 170 before you cut, lol. And start hittin weight in the gym.

i resent that lol

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 10:46 AM
so you guys really think i need to start bulking even though i leave for bmt in 9 weeks and i'm 12.8% body fat

justinjude
03-16-2012, 10:53 AM
so you guys really think i need to start bulking even though i leave for bmt in 9 weeks and i'm 12.8% body fat

yes.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 10:57 AM
yes. hey it's you again lol well i guess i can try but would it be worth it i mean in the sense that i don't have a weight room to workout in only p90x/insanity and some dumbbells weighing at most 50 lbs

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 11:32 AM
bump

Mundungus
03-16-2012, 11:59 AM
Are you even reading the replies??

Eat as much as you can and do as much lifting as you can in the time that you have before basic. You can sit and dream about what you're gonna do when you get to a base and whatever or you can listen to everyone in this thread and start making progress toward your goals now.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 12:05 PM
Are you even reading the replies??

Eat as much as you can and do as much lifting as you can in the time that you have before basic. You can sit and dream about what you're gonna do when you get to a base and whatever or you can listen to everyone in this thread and start making progress toward your goals now.

all i'm asking is if it would be a good idea to do this with p90x/insanity hybrid considering weights aren't used as often as body weight exercises i seem to be listening to people quite well but this question still has yet to be answered

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 12:55 PM
I'd like to hear from somebody who's been through basic did they gain weight, lose weight, or what stay the same. Going on a bulk like I've said countless times I'm OK doing but would it work if all i have are some weight p90x and insanity i just don't think it would and with only 9 weeks until basic i don't have that much time to bother with bulking when everything I've been doing for the past few months has been trying to cut to 10%

phozosado
03-16-2012, 12:59 PM
Without weights, you're not going to get amazing results either way, but walking around at under 150 pounds at 10% BF is silly.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 01:08 PM
Without weights, you're not going to get amazing results either way, but walking around at under 150 pounds at 10% BF is silly.

That's the problem looking at other people who went into basic some being my weight and height and muscle they left basic the same way if not weighing more so i'm not sure i mean i have weights but like i said the most they go to is 50lbs

Ryan314
03-16-2012, 01:27 PM
OP, like others stated, you need to bulk. Cutting for you should not even be in the near future. You are 5'10" 156 lbs. You need to build up some LBM or cutting is simply a waste of time.

Calculate your calories/macros using the stickies and be in a caloric surplus.

Start developing a base of strength. Size gains will follow.

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 01:40 PM
OP, like others stated, you need to bulk. Cutting for you should not even be in the near future. You are 5'10" 156 lbs. You need to build up some LBM or cutting is simply a waste of time.

Calculate your calories/macros using the stickies and be in a caloric surplus.

Start developing a base of strength. Size gains will follow.

well i just made my bulk for monday 198.5g protein / 296g carbs / 93.5g fats that sound good it give me just a little over 2800 calories

justinjude
03-16-2012, 02:25 PM
Without weights, you're not going to get amazing results either way, but walking around at under 150 pounds at 10% BF is silly.

strong this.



i would also like to let you know that this is my 100th post and i spent it on you.

Mundungus
03-16-2012, 02:38 PM
From your picture and stats, I find it hard to believe that you couldn't eat over your maintenance calories and put on some quality weight with just bodyweight exercises. Don't worry about cutting, I have no doubt that basic is going to take care of that for you. You'll be running 5 miles a day and doing push-ups/sit-ups/pull-ups/etc. pretty much everyday. I've had several friends go through basic training and all of them came out of it much leaner with increased muscle mass.

habbalock
03-16-2012, 02:49 PM
like that one guy said, dont cut or you'll look like an aushwitz escapee

Why the hell would you even think of cutting at your stats? damn man thats lazy

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 03:54 PM
like that one guy said, dont cut or you'll look like an aushwitz escapee

Why the hell would you even think of cutting at your stats? damn man thats lazy

how is that lazy?

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 04:00 PM
From your picture and stats, I find it hard to believe that you couldn't eat over your maintenance calories and put on some quality weight with just bodyweight exercises. Don't worry about cutting, I have no doubt that basic is going to take care of that for you. You'll be running 5 miles a day and doing push-ups/sit-ups/pull-ups/etc. pretty much everyday. I've had several friends go through basic training and all of them came out of it much leaner with increased muscle mass.

well i made a bulking meal plan of about 2800 calories i think that should work what do you think

BrolyAtakus
03-16-2012, 04:30 PM
So my bulk goes like this

Monday - 198.5p / 296 c / 93.5 f

Tuesday - 205 p / 294.75 c / 88 f

Wednesday - 197.5 p / 297.5 c / 90.5 f

Thursday - 203 p / 280.5 c / 93.5 f

Friday - 189.5 p / 298.25 c / 83.5 f

Saturday - 203 p / 280.5 c / 93.5 f


does this sound good