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MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 12:53 PM
In 1875, the SCOTUS ruled that there are two kinds of citizens: those born to two citizens within US jurisdiction and NATURALIZED citizens. (Naturalized citizens are not eligible to be POTUS.) Because of Mr. Obama's DUAL citizenship (again, its the SCOTUS saying this) he had to be naturalized. He actually was therefore ineligible to be POTUS. Here's the SCOTUS quotes, see for yourselves.

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

“Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that ‘no person except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,’and that Congress shall have power ‘to establish a uniform rule of naturalization.’ Thus new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization.”

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.“

“Under the power to adopt a uniform system of naturalization Congress, as early as 1790, provided…that the children of citizens of the United States that might be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, should be considered as natural-born citizens. These provisions thus enacted have, in substance, been retained in all the naturalization laws adopted since.”

Naturalized citizens are not eligible to be POTUS.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/us-supreme-court-precedent-states-that-obama-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 12:55 PM
"Minor also gives an unequivocal definition of who fits into the class of natural-born citizens. Obama does not fit into that class. Born in the US to a citizen mother and a British/Kenyan father, Obama was born with dual nationality and dual allegiance, part US citizen, part foreigner. Minor makes a clear distinction between natural-born citizens and aliens or foreigners.

No Constitutional amendment supersedes Minor by defining natural-born citizen in a more inclusive way. No US Supreme Court case has overruled it. Justice Gray’s statement that the Court in Minor construed the 14th Amendment in the passage quoted is wrong. The Court in Minor directly construed Article 2 Section 1 while directly avoiding construction of the 14th Amendment."

Boffothe
09-05-2011, 12:56 PM
u mad he's still da president though? you seem kinda mad

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 12:56 PM
"The Supreme Court in Wong Kim Ark directly construed the 14th Amendment and specifically avoided construction of Article 2 Section 1. The two cases are not in contradiction. They are consistent.

Wong Kim Ark is specifically limited to determining who is a citizen under the 14th Amendment.

Minor is specifically limited to determining who is a US citizen, natural-born.

According to the US Supreme Court precedent established by Minor, Obama is not eligible to the office of President of the United States."

Blindead
09-05-2011, 01:04 PM
Obama is not a British or Kenya citizen or national, and you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 01:39 PM
Obama is not a British or Kenya citizen or national, and you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about.

I bet you didn't even read this, just skimmed and jumped to conclusions.

No one EVER said anything about him being British or Kenyan. Try reading b4 formulating an opinion, please.

MFP90X
09-05-2011, 01:58 PM
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.“

In other words, if you're born in the U.S. to American parents, you're a citizen. Some also argue that if you are born in the U.S., you are also a citizen (hence the anchor-baby stuff that is floating out there now). Just because everyone agrees that a child born in the U.S. to American parents is a natural-born citizen does not mean that the definition is exclusive.

IVIagic
09-05-2011, 02:06 PM
Holy wall of text batman! You think anyone really cares now? 2008 called....you know the rest

lexinak
09-05-2011, 02:25 PM
God, not this again.

You haters lost this fight YEARS ago.

Blindead
09-05-2011, 02:37 PM
I bet you didn't even read this, just skimmed and jumped to conclusions.

No one EVER said anything about him being British or Kenyan. Try reading b4 formulating an opinion, please.

"Because of Mr. Obama's DUAL citizenship (again, its the SCOTUS saying this) he had to be naturalized."

yes you did.

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 02:43 PM
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.“

In other words, if you're born in the U.S. to American parents, you're a citizen. Some also argue that if you are born in the U.S., you are also a citizen (hence the anchor-baby stuff that is floating out there now). Just because everyone agrees that a child born in the U.S. to American parents is a natural-born citizen does not mean that the definition is exclusive.

Both parents must be natural-born citizens to confer THAT form of citizenship on a child. Obama does not have that form of citizenship. He is naturalized. Therefore he is not allowed to be POTUS, by strict interpretation of SCOTUS rulings.

And yeah, no one really cares anyway. Just thought I'd throw this out there. Most people think the Constitution was written by a bunch of grumpy old white dudes out to come up with a new form of tyranny (Howard Zinn) for ex).

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 02:46 PM
"Because of Mr. Obama's DUAL citizenship (again, its the SCOTUS saying this) he had to be naturalized."

yes you did.

Dual citizenship = Kenyan or British national ?

Blindead
09-05-2011, 02:47 PM
Dual citizenship = Kenyan or British national ?

are you high bro? you said he's not only a US citizen because his dad was british/kenyan, but you were actually saying his second citizenship is, what, mongolian?

and you don't understand the 14th amendment if you think being born to a foreigner makes you anything but a US citizen.

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 02:47 PM
God, not this again.

You haters lost this fight YEARS ago.

Yeah, I hate having the Constitution of the United States being followed. Yep, yer right!

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 02:49 PM
are you high bro? you said he's not only a US citizen because his dad was british/kenyan, but you were actually saying his second citizenship is, what, mongolian?

Does it matter, bro? He doesn't have 2 natural-born citizen parents. Therefore, according to the SCOTUS, he's ineligible. He should never have been allowed to run.

I could have voted for Hillary, who's way smarter than this clown, and we'd probably be in an economic boom, what with Bill helping her. We'd have the 1990's all over again and not this jackassery.

Tekkendo
09-05-2011, 02:50 PM
I really dont want Obama removed. He is the best thing ever happened to the GOP.

SaulSilver
09-05-2011, 02:53 PM
did not read, lol

Blindead
09-05-2011, 02:55 PM
Does it matter, bro? He doesn't have 2 natural-born citizen parents. Therefore, according to the SCOTUS, he's ineligible. He should never have been allowed to run.

I could have voted for Hillary, who's way smarter than this clown, and we'd probably be in an economic boom, what with Bill helping her. We'd have the 1990's all over again and not this jackassery.

minor has nothing to do with the natural born citizen clause, stop talking out of your ass. hurr durr i read one paragraph out of a supreme court case, i secretly discovered that the supreme court ruled on something, but even they don't know they did it! it's a huge conspiracy and none of the courts are smart enough to figure it out! it's so hilarious that you keep calling him a naturalized citizen when the constitution explicitly says that anyone born in the US is a citizen. even among alllll the conspiracy theories listed online, this is one that is never brought up, because it's just some dumb**** who has no idea what he's talking about.

r0gue6
09-05-2011, 02:59 PM
Does it matter, bro? He doesn't have 2 natural-born citizen parents. Therefore, according to the SCOTUS, he's ineligible. He should never have been allowed to run.

I could have voted for Hillary, who's way smarter than this clown, and we'd probably be in an economic boom, what with Bill helping her. We'd have the 1990's all over again and not this jackassery.

You do realize Wall Street crashed the world economy while Bush was still President right?

Oh nm, you're just a fuking retard Tekkendo/amtharin/jusa clone.

Tekkendo
09-05-2011, 03:02 PM
You do realize Wall Street crashed the world economy while Bush was still President right?

Oh nm, you're just a fuking retard Tekkendo/amtharin/jusa clone.
u mad brah? cuz even Dick Cheney said the country is better off with Hillary... :D :D yeah u mad..

but obama is the best thing ever happened to the GOP. he is da GOP savior!!

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 03:16 PM
u mad brah? cuz even Dick Cheney said the country is better off with Hillary... :D :D yeah u mad..

but obama is the best thing ever happened to the GOP. he is da GOP savior!!

If the econ keeps going down like it has, he might have trouble beating Hillary in the primaries.

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 03:18 PM
You do realize Wall Street crashed the world economy while Bush was still President right?

Oh nm, you're just a fuking retard Tekkendo/amtharin/jusa clone.

Hillary is not an idealogue like this guy. She wouldn't be hellbent to drive entrepeneurs into the dust. She and Bill would have made a deal to get the economy moving again. No one trusts Obama anymore (me included).

markymark69
09-05-2011, 03:23 PM
Wow...thank baby Jesus we have someone as smart as mathdaddy.
If Rick Perry wins I move he appoints Mathdaddy to the next scotus vacancy. He may go down as the greatest scotus judge in the history of the country.

PSToolman
09-05-2011, 04:13 PM
I don't see how this case, which was about women's suffrage, and the ruling apply. As far as I can tell the ruling states that there's no doubt that a person born of two citizen's is a natural born citizen, but does not cast away doubt about the status of person's born in the US where only one parent is a citizen.

"As to this class (children of foreigners born here) there have been doubts, but never as to the first (children of US citizens born in the US). For the purposes of this case (the rights of female citizens to vote) it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens."

This statement only affirms the natural born citizenship of one class of people, but doesn't also then affirm the status of other classes as naturalized. Not including a class of people in the group of "citizens" in this statement does not necessarily exclude them.

MFP90X
09-05-2011, 04:16 PM
I don't see how this case, which was about women's suffrage, and the ruling apply. As far as I can tell the ruling states that there's no doubt that a person born of two citizen's is a natural born citizen, but does not cast away doubt about the status of person's born in the US where only one parent is a citizen.

"As to this class (children of foreigners born here) there have been doubts, but never as to the first (children of US citizens born in the US). For the purposes of this case (the rights of female citizens to vote) it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens."

This statement only affirms the natural born citizenship of one class of people, but doesn't also then affirm the status of other classes as naturalized. Not including a class of people in the group of "citizens" in this statement does not necessarily exclude them.

That. It's basic reading comprehension. Just because we know that people who are both (1) born in the U.S. and (2) born to two citizen parents are considered natural-born citizens does not preclude others from being considered natural-born citizens. Logic doesn't take you from what SCOTUS said to the article's conclusion.

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 04:20 PM
I don't see how this case, which was about women's suffrage, and the ruling apply. As far as I can tell the ruling states that there's no doubt that a person born of two citizen's is a natural born citizen, but does not cast away doubt about the status of person's born in the US where only one parent is a citizen.

"As to this class (children of foreigners born here) there have been doubts, but never as to the first (children of US citizens born in the US). For the purposes of this case (the rights of female citizens to vote) it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens."

This statement only affirms the natural born citizenship of one class of people, but doesn't also then affirm the status of other classes as naturalized. Not including a class of people in the group of "citizens" in this statement does not necessarily exclude them.

It says that ppl become ctizens in one of two ways, and only ppl who become citizens the first way are eligible for POTUS. Because Obama doesn't have both parents as citizens, he has to be naturalized, which means he was ineligible.
Sure, its a technicality. But can you imagine the howls and screams if something like this came out about Bush? He be castigated as Satan reborn!

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 04:24 PM
That. It's basic reading comprehension. Just because we know that people who are both (1) born in the U.S. and (2) born to two citizen parents are considered natural-born citizens does not preclude others from being considered natural-born citizens. Logic doesn't take you from what SCOTUS said to the article's conclusion.

Yes, it does. The SCOTUS didn't have to use the 14th amendment to establish Mrs. Minor's citizenship because both her parents were citizens. They thus clearly defined who a natural-born citizen is and Obama isn't one. He is a citizen by naturalization laws and hence ineligible.

Its really a beautiful and simple argument. Doesn't change anything in the slightest but its nice to know.

Carry on.

PSToolman
09-05-2011, 04:24 PM
What happens in cases where the mother is a citizen, and the identity of the father is unknown, and the child is born US? How is this different if the father is not a citizen?

Kumquatv1
09-05-2011, 04:24 PM
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PSToolman
09-05-2011, 04:27 PM
Yes, it does. The SCOTUS didn't have to use the 14th amendment to establish Mrs. Minor's citizenship because both her parents were citizens. They thus clearly defined who a natural-born citizen is and Obama isn't one. He is a citizen by naturalization laws and hence ineligible.

Its really a beautiful and simple argument. Doesn't change anything in the slightest but its nice to know.

Carry on.

I don't see it that clearly. Only one class of people are "clearly" natural-born citizens in this ruling, but doubt still exists on the other classes. Where does this ruling say anything about a person born in the US to a mother who is a citizen and a father who isn't?

MFP90X
09-05-2011, 04:32 PM
Yes, it does. The SCOTUS didn't have to use the 14th amendment to establish Mrs. Minor's citizenship because both her parents were citizens. They thus clearly defined who a natural-born citizen is and Obama isn't one. He is a citizen by naturalization laws and hence ineligible.

Its really a beautiful and simple argument. Doesn't change anything in the slightest but its nice to know.

Carry on.

Jesus tap-dancing Christ. That's not what it says.

It says, basically, "There's no doubt that if you are born in the U.S. and have two American citizens as parents. If you were born overseas to two American citizen parents or if you were born in the U.S. to a set of parents who were of mixed citizenship (e.g., a British man and an American woman, or vice versa), you might not be considered a natural-born citizen. We're not sure on that yet, but we're leaving the door open."

So SCOTUS held that if you're born in Missouri to two parents who were U.S. citizens, you're a natural born citizen for sure. But it certainly does not say that those are the only people who can be considered natural-born citizens.

lexinak
09-05-2011, 04:34 PM
Yeah, I hate having the Constitution of the United States being followed. Yep, yer right!

I bet that's why every single court that's been presented with a challenge to Obama's eligibility has rejected it. Because they all hate the Constitution and America.

oixo
09-05-2011, 04:41 PM
We all know Obama's presidency officialism was covered up by the Zionist agencies such as the CIA/FBI. Wake up ya'll

jewelscoff
09-05-2011, 04:41 PM
u mad brah? cuz even Dick Cheney said the country is better off with Hillary... :D :D yeah u mad..

but obama is the best thing ever happened to the GOP. he is da GOP savior!!

i hate the GOP but this is absolutely true.

ZenBowman
09-05-2011, 04:45 PM
Yeah, I hate having the Constitution of the United States being followed. Yep, yer right!

The Constitution is a document crafted by the elite of the time - i.e. the NWO.

Sorry OP, you and your illumanati ilk cannot control us with your constitution anymore!!

CallmeMaster
09-05-2011, 05:06 PM
If people born in the US to foreign born parents are not considered "natural-born citizens" then how many people are not allowed to be POTUS? How many people who thought they were "natural-born citizens" are actually "naturalized citizens?"

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 05:53 PM
I don't see it that clearly. Only one class of people are "clearly" natural-born citizens in this ruling, but doubt still exists on the other classes. Where does this ruling say anything about a person born in the US to a mother who is a citizen and a father who isn't?

14th Amendment. Trouble is, only citizens covered by Article 2, section 1 can technically be POTUS. All others, Obama included, can't.

The problem for Obama is that he's not a natural-born citizen. Both parents have to be citizens to confer that status. He IS a citizen by later legislation just not a natural-born citizen. Therefore he cannot be POTUS (even if born in Hawaii btw). To be POTUS the person must be a natural-born citizen.

Y'know, he's was a constitutional law prof. This implies he knew all of this. Hmmmmmmmm....

MathDaddy
09-05-2011, 05:57 PM
If people born in the US to foreign born parents are not considered "natural-born citizens" then how many people are not allowed to be POTUS? How many people who thought they were "natural-born citizens" are actually "naturalized citizens?"

Those people are citizens just not NB citizens. They can't be POTUS. Read the SCOTUS rulings I posted.

I'm merely pointing these things out as an anomoly btw. The CIA, NSA, FBI, military and sundry other operations run the show. Presidents are just puppets. That's why Obama plays so much golf and basketball; there aren't that many pencils to sharpen in the Oval Office. :)

markymark69
09-05-2011, 06:55 PM
Why do so many faux conservatives buy into conspiracy theories? Is it lack of education? Superstition? Paranoia? I think I need to start a poll.

Sodao
09-05-2011, 07:01 PM
this **** is still going on?

r0gue6
09-05-2011, 07:12 PM
i hate the GOP but this is absolutely true.

Kind of. I'd more aptly say that the economy being the worst it's been in 70 years is the Republicans savior. That's why they will fight to keep it that way until 2012.

PSToolman
09-05-2011, 07:42 PM
Those people are citizens just not NB citizens. They can't be POTUS. Read the SCOTUS rulings I posted.

I have read the rulings and disagree for the reasons I stated. Can you cite the specific text that you believe proves your hypothesis?