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peace2011
07-07-2011, 07:27 AM
If August comes without any deal the debt ceiling, the Treasury will state it doesn't have the revenue to pay our obligations, we have 3 basic choices

1) Default on all our debt

The Treasury believes this is the only option, as they can not pick and choose which programs to fund, nor do they have the people necessary to dole out selective payments

Even Fox News has said this will cause a world-wide depression

2) Default on some of our debt

President Obama could take control of the entire federal revenue, and spend it on the programs he fancies, such as keeping Medicaid, Welfare Programs and Debt Interest payments, but ending Defense Contractors and most of the military

This would be a huge grab of executive power, and Obama could basically do whatever he wants

3) Default on none of our debt

Since this decision would come to the President when the Treasury asks him what they should do, he could decline a large executive power grab or a total default, and then use his presidential power to follow the constitution, which states:

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned

The Courts have ruled that this provisions applies to all federal debt and obligations

So he would inform the Treasury that the United States will not default on its debts and that they need to pay everything in the last budget passed by the Congress

A Congressman has said if he picks 3, he'll be impeached, would you support impeachment, and convict?

Source: forums.offtopic

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Congressman Asserts Potential 'Impeachable Act'

n a receptive meeting Tuesday evening at Knightsville United Methodist Church in Dorchester County, U.S. Rep. Tim Scott, R-S.C., said if President Barrack Obama acted without congress on the debt ceiling issue it would be an "impeachable act."

Answering a question from the crowd, the freshman congressman called any move using the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution to raise the debt ceiling "unconstitutional." Scott represents District 1 in the state, which includes Berkeley, Charleston and Dorchester counties. He spoke Tuesday at the meeting of LowCountry 9.12, a group known for small-government ideology.

"This president is looking to usurp congressional oversight to find a way to get it done without us. My position is that is an impeachable act from my perspective," Scott said to the crowd looking to finish his sentences and chime in on national issues. "There are a lot of things people say, 'Are you going to impeach the president over that?' — No. But this? This is catastrophic. This jeopardizes the credibility of our nation if one man can usurp the entire system set up by our founding fathers over something this significant."

He added later: "I don't hate the president, by the way — I hate his policy … I don't attack his personality."

In a Tuesday press briefing at the White House after Obama urged congress to pass something in two weeks regarding the debt ceiling, a reporter asked Press Secretary Jay Carney if the president would use the 14th Amendment to raise it.

Read the 14th Amendment here. 

"I don’t think that I want to get into speculation about what might happen if something does or doesn’t happen. The president believes firmly that a deal is possible," Carney said.

The press pool again brought up the question later, asking if White House lawyers are studying the issue. Carney responded, "Not that I'm aware of." A reporter then asked if the president had talked about using the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling.

"Definitely not," Carney responded.

Source: westashley.patch

peace2011
07-07-2011, 07:36 AM
China has said "any attack on pakistan will construed to attack on China". Does Obama want World War 3?

Usually Osama had some 500 bodyguards protecting him. But in Pakistan there were no bodygaurds for Osama. Also Osama's house was isolated with farms around it.

Obama could have easily captured Osama alive. Now USA and Europe have received threats of nuclear attack and terrorists are planning to bomb planes and cities.

Osama's kill order is also an impeachable offense because possibly millions of people worldwide are at risk of getting killed by terrorists. Pakistan is out of control since Osama was killed.

$9 Trillion (whatever) bailouts given by Obama to bankrupt companies and countries without the permission of tax-payers is an impeachable offense.

Libya war is an impeachable offense.

Obama's birth certificate is an impeachable offense.

Obama's debt ceiling issue decision without congress would be an impeachable act.

412 limousines and excess use of Air force One under Obama is an impeachable offense.

Obama spending time with his friend in Hawaii who was arrested for prostitution is an impeachable offense.

200 million Americans involved with or watching pornography is an impeachable offense.

God is angry with Obama. This the biggest impeachable offense.

I think Obama has mental problems so he cannot make proper decisions.

clockworkred
07-07-2011, 07:41 AM
I try to make out words but all I see is red.

r0gue6
07-07-2011, 07:46 AM
Casey Anthony = Not Guilty......IMPEACH OBAMA!!!

peace2011
07-07-2011, 07:48 AM
Why don't Americans take serious actions when Obama has many impeachable offenses?

Are Americans too weak to impeach a president who is just an ordinary person? Obama is not God.

USA will be unrecognizable by year 2012.

peace2011
07-07-2011, 08:12 AM
The declaration of Independence. IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Source: ushistory.org/declaration

nzgs
07-07-2011, 08:15 AM
You belong on somewhere like infowars. All I read was a load of non-information that would conveniently conclude in impeachment for Obama. All of your points are factually incorrect by the way.

feedmelies
07-07-2011, 10:13 AM
The first thing Obama should be impeached for is his war in Libya.

The debt ceiling shouldn't be raised. Spending shut but cut hard. Immediately. It's what any of us would be forced to do.