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TheMindMadness
05-19-2011, 09:03 AM
Im confused people say insulin spikes are detrimental to fat loss, is you eat 3k calories of low carb low sugar foods verses 3k calories of high carb high sugar foods that will cause big insulin spikes you will gain more fat on the high carb/sugar diet compared to the 3k low carb/sugar diet? does that not invalidate the whole cals in vs cals out theory?

Shrederator
05-19-2011, 09:04 AM
Im confused people say insulin spikes are detrimental to fat loss, is you eat 3k calories of low carb low sugar foods verses 3k calories of high carb high sugar foods that will cause big insulin spikes you will gain more fat on the high carb/sugar diet compared to the 3k low carb/sugar diet? does that not invalidate the whole cals in vs cals out theory?

It would if insulin spikes had any affect on overall weight or body composition.

Straight2Ace
05-19-2011, 09:08 AM
It would if insulin spikes had any affect on overall weight or body composition.

is there any diff between eating white rice / brown rice and normal paste and wholewheat pasta?

TheMindMadness
05-19-2011, 09:13 AM
i dont know if have got this correct but

insulin blocks or reduces our ability to use are fat cells for energy when blood sugar levels get to high correct?. so do we then use this blood sugar for energy when this happens? if so once we have used the this blood sugar energy insulin reduces and we are back to normal? if thats that case then surely in the long run it docent matter if insulin is spiked as when it reduces we go back to fat burning again assuming we are in a deficit?

Christiffer
05-19-2011, 09:14 AM
is there any diff between eating white rice / brown rice and normal paste and wholewheat pasta?

The macros vary a bit and the whole grain option has a bit more fiber, but it's such a minuscule difference. As long as your hitting your macros and getting sufficient micros, there really is no difference.

snrygo
05-19-2011, 09:24 AM
is there any diff between eating white rice / brown rice and normal paste and wholewheat pasta?

Fiber and micronutrients.

Oh, as well as color and personal preference.

Straight2Ace
05-19-2011, 11:04 AM
Fiber and micronutrients.

Oh, as well as color and personal preference.

Prefer white rice

Wholemeal pasta is fine.

But..... always thought it was bad for fat gain being higher GI?

Ghosting
05-19-2011, 11:43 AM
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
http://www.alanaragon.com/elements-challenging-the-validity-of-the-glycemic-index.html

HealthResearch
05-19-2011, 12:54 PM
The macros vary a bit and the whole grain option has a bit more fiber, but it's such a minuscule difference. As long as your hitting your macros and getting sufficient micros, there really is no difference.

Huge difference in terms of long term health though. Don't eat refined grains. Waaay higher risk of heart disease later in life.

snrygo
05-19-2011, 12:56 PM
^^^ ever heard of iiFYM+multi?

HealthResearch
05-19-2011, 01:32 PM
^^^ ever heard of iiFYM+multi?

Sure... in terms of muscle building and weight loss yes.

In terms of long term chronic diseases.... I am correct.

rhizome
05-19-2011, 01:47 PM
Huge difference in terms of long term health though. Don't eat refined grains. Waaay higher risk of heart disease later in life.
****ing awesome. Synthetic's moron brother makes an appearance.

HealthResearch
05-19-2011, 01:48 PM
****ing awesome. Synthetic's moron brother makes an appearance.

You don't believe?

HealthResearch
05-19-2011, 01:48 PM
****ing awesome. Synthetic's moron brother makes an appearance.

Woah... you negged me for being correct? Nice.

sunngodd
05-19-2011, 01:49 PM
What's an insulin spike?

HealthResearch
05-19-2011, 01:54 PM
So I seriously have to post the studies that show that refined grains promote heart disease over whole grains? There literally hundreds of studies. WTF

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11840174

HealthResearch
05-19-2011, 01:57 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10875605

HealthResearch
05-19-2011, 01:58 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17556700

rhizome
05-19-2011, 02:00 PM
So I seriously have to post the studies that show that refined grains promote heart disease over whole grains? There literally hundreds of studies. WTF

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11840174


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10875605


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17556700



Correlation does not imply causation. Nor do they show INCREASED risk from refined grains.

snrygo
05-19-2011, 02:05 PM
you could have at least done it in one post -_-

HealthResearch
05-19-2011, 02:06 PM
Correlation does not imply causation.

The mountain of evidence on this issue is insurmountable and extends far beyond correlation.

synthetic
05-19-2011, 02:13 PM
150 cals of celery, 150 cals of pure sugar ... both carbs

it will take more energy to digest the celery, and the sugar calories will go straight the the blood stream. Also some of those celery calories are fiber, it has a calorie value but cannot enter the blood stream as the body will pass it through.

so in the end.. you can have 150 calories of sugar in your blood or 15 calories of whats left over from the celery

HealthResearch
05-19-2011, 02:14 PM
you could have at least done it in one post -_-

True... sorry about that. Rhizome was irritating me.


To Rhizome: I didn't think this was MISC. You should be mod negged. This was a serious thread and I posted serious and helpful responses that were entirely factual.

m3dude
05-19-2011, 02:18 PM
Theres increasingly more evidence that highly refined carbs do indeed raise the bloods acidity level and promote long term disease.

rhizome
05-19-2011, 02:24 PM
Theres increasingly more evidence that highly refined carbs do indeed raise the bloods acidity level and promote long term disease.
There is increasing evidence that you are a moron. Blood pH is tightly regulated to be between 7.35 and 7.45 regardless of what you eat ;)

You realize that protein is a very strong "acid" forming food right?

synthetic
05-19-2011, 02:30 PM
There is increasing evidence that you are a moron. Blood pH is tightly regulated to be between 7.35 and 7.45 regardless of what you eat ;)

You realize that protein is a very strong "acid" forming food right?

and what causes the regulation? You maybe right but this shift drains the body to compensate, which may have adverse effects.

Ghosting
05-19-2011, 02:34 PM
I guess some people haven't seen rhizome post before or see how much he knows. :D

determined4000
05-19-2011, 02:44 PM
is there any diff between eating white rice / brown rice and normal paste and wholewheat pasta?

rice sucks either way

joebrosef
05-19-2011, 03:23 PM
none of that matters if you take a multi everyday and lift heavy.