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-TheKingPin-
03-02-2011, 07:16 AM
It seems wherever I look now Dairy products are given a bad name. High levels of estrogen causing many different types of cancer. Im thinking of removing the majority of dairy from my diet and just having milk with my oats and some natural youghurt before bed.

But then I see all the good things about dairy with its vast amount of vitamins and minerals. Ive checked Fitday and I still get my RDA of vitamin without dairy but I get alot more when I have milk.

Anybody do this and feel better when cutting out dairy?

I'm also curious to see its effect on acne as I have been breaking out quite badly recently.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14729019
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

I can't find any new sources of information addressing the topic. If anyone finds anything I would be interested.

snorkelman
03-02-2011, 07:30 AM
Anybody do this and feel better when cutting out dairy?


^^ See, what you really are doing here is finding people who are lactose intolerant and imposing an unnecessary food restriction on yourself for no reason.

Keep eating dairy.

Holyspokes
03-02-2011, 07:36 AM
I found these very quickly...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19217359

I also think there are a few threads about this, however I need to go to class and don't have time to do tons of searchin' or reading right now.

Whether or not it is making a huge impact on your skin or how you feel is likely dependent on quantity being consumed and how your body is able to handle it on an individual basis. IMO. Heck you could even be one of those crazy paleo people who thinks a tblsp of cream in there coffee is keeping them up at night.

-TheKingPin-
03-02-2011, 07:42 AM
^^ See, what you really are doing here is finding people who are lactose intolerant and imposing an unnecessary food restriction on yourself for no reason.

Keep eating dairy.

Im just extremely worried about the outburst of claims and apparent research which suggests that milk is not the "miracle" food as portrayed by the dairy industry and that it accounts for 60-80% of our estrogen intake from food.

I know if I end up developing testicular cancer or another form of cancer I will always think that I could have prevented it or at least reduced the risk by eliminating the majority of dairy from my diet.

Its just that dairy is such a cheap and convenient soure of fats, protein and calories. However if finding other sources and spending more means a healthier me then I am more than willing to do so.

Im off to the food shops soon so I need to make my mind up.


I found these very quickly...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19217359

I also think there are a few threads about this, however I need to go to class and don't have time to do tons of searchin' or reading right now.

Whether or not it is making a huge impact on your skin or how you feel is likely dependent on quantity being consumed and how your body is able to handle it on an individual basis. IMO. Heck you could even be one of those crazy paleo people who thinks a tblsp of cream in there coffee is keeping them up at night.

Damn I just had a look at the first study and it said serum testosterone levels dropped in men and E1 increased.... having second thoughts.

almightyares
03-02-2011, 07:45 AM
I found these very quickly...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19217359

I also think there are a few threads about this, however I need to go to class and don't have time to do tons of searchin' or reading right now.

Whether or not it is making a huge impact on your skin or how you feel is likely dependent on quantity being consumed and how your body is able to handle it on an individual basis. IMO. Heck you could even be one of those crazy paleo people who thinks a tblsp of cream in there coffee is keeping them up at night.

A study including 12 adults and 6 kids hardly proves anything.

-TheKingPin-
03-02-2011, 07:47 AM
A study including 12 adults and 6 kids hardly proves anything.

Yeah but the fact that the same results were seen in all 7 males suggests its likely to produce a similar result in everyone.

snorkelman
03-02-2011, 07:50 AM
So, your real concern is milk giving you cancer? Take a look at the abstract in the first link you provided. You will see this statement:

"One reason supporting this hypothesis is that Western diet (characterized by milk/dairy products and meat) causes a trend of increasing levels of estrogens, and Western males show a higher incidence rate of prostate cancer than Asia males."

Ask yourself whether this is correlation or causation?

http://www.condoroptions.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mmr.jpg

-TheKingPin-
03-02-2011, 07:56 AM
So, your real concern is milk giving you cancer? Take a look at the abstract in the first link you provided. You will see this statement:

"One reason supporting this hypothesis is that Western diet (characterized by milk/dairy products and meat) causes a trend of increasing levels of estrogens, and Western males show a higher incidence rate of prostate cancer than Asia males."

Ask yourself whether this is correlation or causation?

http://www.condoroptions.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mmr.jpg

I see where you are coming from... I have done correlation and causation to death after studying sciences and now studying biochemistry at univeristy. You have to be very cautious and look for other variables other than the Independant variable which could affect the dependant variable (cancer and acne).


After the intake of cow milk, serum estrone (E1) and progesterone concentrations significantly increased, and serum luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and testosterone significantly decreased in men. Urine concentrations of E1, estradiol, estriol and pregnanediol significantly increased in all adults and children.

This worries me though. Looks like I may have to revamp my diet.

Holyspokes
03-02-2011, 11:25 AM
This worries me though. Looks like I may have to revamp my diet.

I provided those studies, but I am certainly not changing my diet to eliminate all dairy because of them.

Why would you change your diet over such a limiting study. It's simply something to take into consideration.

Acevedo85
03-02-2011, 11:30 AM
so now dairy causes men to become bitches and sissies....oh lord....


faceplam

Holyspokes
03-02-2011, 11:33 AM
I can't find any new sources of information addressing the topic. If anyone finds anything I would be interested.


A study including 12 adults and 6 kids hardly proves anything.

Never said it did

Acevedo85
03-02-2011, 11:53 AM
So, your real concern is milk giving you cancer? Take a look at the abstract in the first link you provided. You will see this statement:

"One reason supporting this hypothesis is that Western diet (characterized by milk/dairy products and meat) causes a trend of increasing levels of estrogens, and Western males show a higher incidence rate of prostate cancer than Asia males."

Ask yourself whether this is correlation or causation?

http://www.condoroptions.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mmr.jpg

i lold