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Barry Bonds
02-10-2011, 05:46 PM
keeping the lights on, and food on the table.

How about this?

Make the maximum salary for a NFL "superstar"$2 million bucks a year, and cap each team at $20 million. Make contracts for one season at a time. Cut the price of tickets 60%, and merchandise 75%. If you don't like it, I hear Europe is really nice this time of year.

I understand every player is not a multimillionaire. It's the attitudes of most of those who are that make me sick. Not satisfied with sixty cents of every dollar the NFL takes in, and you have no money invested in overhead, and get paid if the team makes or loses money? Screw you.

They won't like it at first, but the American public will watch pro football no matter what players are playing. They'll make their own stars, and a high percentage of the players can be replaced with competitive players. No, it won't be exactly the same the first couple of years, but with reasonable ticket prices, the fans won't give up the NFL.

Time for a reality check.

FunSize1990
02-10-2011, 05:51 PM
keeping the lights on, and food on the table.

How about this?

Make the maximum salary for a NFL "superstar"$2 million bucks a year, and cap each team at $20 million. Make contracts for one season at a time. Cut the price of tickets 60%, and merchandise 75%. If you don't like it, I hear Europe is really nice this time of year.

I understand every player is not a multimillionaire. It's the attitudes of most of those who are that make me sick. Not satisfied with sixty cents of every dollar the NFL takes in, and you have no money invested in overhead, and get paid if the team makes or loses money? Screw you.

They won't like it at first, but the American public will watch pro football no matter what players are playing. They'll make their own stars, and a high percentage of the players can be replaced with competitive players. No, it won't be exactly the same the first couple of years, but with reasonable ticket prices, the fans won't give up the NFL.

Time for a reality check.

Preach it brother.

Lets see some humility.

chlaxman
02-10-2011, 05:53 PM
That sounds like a great way to ruin football

Ramoneb87
02-10-2011, 06:06 PM
Why the NFL is a multy billion dollare industry NFL teams 130ish million cap is only a fraction of what each team is bringing in. These guys risk their lives and helath every time they suit up, if anything they should cut the pay of owners and NFL executives who are making far more than these players

Barry Bonds
02-10-2011, 06:23 PM
Where the employees get 60% of the profits.

And that's not enough?

You get a "hearing" when you drive drunk and kill somebody? You ought to be out the door before the jury's seat's get cold, and have to give back all the salary you made from the time you were charged until you were found guilty.

There's thousands of guys out there .1 second slower in the forty that would keep their nose clean and die for a chance for what they have. That's the guys that you would form a league behind. Role models for kids. Not drug users, dealers, murderers, thieves, ect. that don't appreciate a one in a million chance.

Now, whether the new contract gets signed or not, the NFL has to overcome the impression in many of the fan's eyes that this is a bunch of spoiled millionaire's who aren't satisfied with what may be the greatest "job" in the world.

It almost killed baseball. NASCAR almost priced itself out of the market. The NFL is the best sport, but not invincible to public opinion.

chlaxman
02-10-2011, 06:26 PM
Where the employees get 60% of the profits.

And that's not enough?

You get a "hearing" when you drive drunk and kill somebody? You ought to be out the door before the jury's seat's get cold, and have to give back all the salary you made from the time you were charged until you were found guilty.

There's thousands of guys out there .1 second slower in the forty that would keep their nose clean and die for a chance for what they have. That's the guys that you would form a league behind. Role models for kids. Not drug users, dealers, murderers, thieves, ect. that don't appreciate a one in a million chance.

Now, whether the new contract gets signed or not, the NFL has to overcome the impression in many of the fan's eyes that this is a bunch of spoiled millionaire's who aren't satisfied with what may be the greatest "job" in the world.

It almost killed baseball. NASCAR almost priced itself out of the market. The NFL is the best sport, but not invincible to public opinion.

Nobody had to sign the criminals...

You form a business around the top talent. There's a reason the NFL is better than the CFL.

Besides it's the owners locking out the players...it's not a strike by the players

J411
02-10-2011, 06:27 PM
Where the employees get 60% of the profits.

And that's not enough?

You get a "hearing" when you drive drunk and kill somebody? You ought to be out the door before the jury's seat's get cold, and have to give back all the salary you made from the time you were charged until you were found guilty.

There's thousands of guys out there .1 second slower in the forty that would keep their nose clean and die for a chance for what they have. That's the guys that you would form a league behind. Role models for kids. Not drug users, dealers, murderers, thieves, ect. that don't appreciate a one in a million chance.

Now, whether the new contract gets signed or not, the NFL has to overcome the impression in many of the fan's eyes that this is a bunch of spoiled millionaire's who aren't satisfied with what may be the greatest "job" in the world.

It almost killed baseball. NASCAR almost priced itself out of the market. The NFL is the best sport, but not invincible to public opinion.

First, players only get 45% of current revenues, not 60%.

The players are happy with the current deal, its the owners that want to cut what they are being paid. The players are willing to keep playing as is, but the owners are threatening to lock them out if they don't take a pay cut. Owners are trying to cut the amount of money given to players by 20% and make them play two games more. I also seriously doubt one dime that the owners save will be passed on to the fans in cheaper tickets. If I had to pick one side as being greedy, its not the players, but the billionaire owners.

GApump
02-10-2011, 06:32 PM
Last time I checked the stadiums were pretty damn full during the middle of a down economy so I'm not really following you. No matter what the split is between the owners and players the ticket prices aren't going down.

speedycon7
02-10-2011, 06:36 PM
Where the employees get 60% of the profits.

And that's not enough?

You get a "hearing" when you drive drunk and kill somebody? You ought to be out the door before the jury's seat's get cold, and have to give back all the salary you made from the time you were charged until you were found guilty.

There's thousands of guys out there .1 second slower in the forty that would keep their nose clean and die for a chance for what they have. That's the guys that you would form a league behind. Role models for kids. Not drug users, dealers, murderers, thieves, ect. that don't appreciate a one in a million chance.

Now, whether the new contract gets signed or not, the NFL has to overcome the impression in many of the fan's eyes that this is a bunch of spoiled millionaire's who aren't satisfied with what may be the greatest "job" in the world.

It almost killed baseball. NASCAR almost priced itself out of the market. The NFL is the best sport, but not invincible to public opinion.

Goodell makes 10 million dollars a year.

The goal of any business is to make money not to cut prices so its easier for the average American to go see a game. If people are willing to pay this much for merchandise and tickets then they will keep the prices the same or even raise them, that's just how it works.

A career in the NFL takes a huge toll on the players body. They are the top guys in the most popular sport in the U.S. They easily deserve what they get paid now. They don't deserve a massive pay cut because a few thugs screwed up. The issue with players getting off the hook has nothing to do with nfl and just shows that the u.s legal system sometimes can let celebrities get off easy.

ChillinBrah
02-10-2011, 07:03 PM
So the owners will be raking in 100's of millions from revenue, while the players(backbone of entire operation) make no more than 2 million?

Sounds fair

TheStack
02-10-2011, 07:06 PM
keeping the lights on, and food on the table.

How about this?

Make the maximum salary for a NFL "superstar"$2 million bucks a year, and cap each team at $20 million. Make contracts for one season at a time. Cut the price of tickets 60%, and merchandise 75%. If you don't like it, I hear Europe is really nice this time of year.

I understand every player is not a multimillionaire. It's the attitudes of most of those who are that make me sick. Not satisfied with sixty cents of every dollar the NFL takes in, and you have no money invested in overhead, and get paid if the team makes or loses money? Screw you.

They won't like it at first, but the American public will watch pro football no matter what players are playing. They'll make their own stars, and a high percentage of the players can be replaced with competitive players. No, it won't be exactly the same the first couple of years, but with reasonable ticket prices, the fans won't give up the NFL.

Time for a reality check.

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Madsen89
02-10-2011, 07:07 PM
The sad part is that you think player salaries are out of control. The highest paid players make money because they generate revenue.

I could have no interest in the Indianapolis Colts, but know it would be a good game because you'd get to watch Peyton Manning.

Most players get paid what, $2m a year? Thats not a lot when you consider that their careers could end at any moment, and what they are doing can be detrimental to the rest of your life.

lincolnmkv
02-10-2011, 07:11 PM
Most players get paid what, $2m a year? Thats not a lot when you consider that their careers could end at any moment, and what they are doing can be detrimental to the rest of your life.

There are a lot of people with more hazardous jobs than football players that get none of the glory and a fraction of the money. Ironworkers, miners, firefighters, soldiers. Give me a break.

TheStack
02-10-2011, 07:11 PM
There are a lot of people with more hazardous jobs than football players that get none of the glory and a fraction of the money. Ironworkers, miners, firefighters, soldiers. Give me a break.

you need an economics course bad

Greg1983
02-10-2011, 07:20 PM
Lulz at you thinking the owners would cut the prices if player salaries went down. And if for some stupid reason they did, scalpers would be the ones benefitting.

MA5Bergey
02-10-2011, 07:21 PM
I don't have a problem with these guys making so much money mainly because it's our money that pays their salaries. If the fans didn't buy the tickets and the merchandise, the players wouldn't be making $100 million contracts.

That being said, it annoys the **** out of me when athletes nickel and dime teams on their contracts begging for every million. I mean, really, when you're making $50 million over X amount of years, you have no place to complain about having kids to feed. Because most families in America feed their families on one thousandth that money with one thousand times harder work.

Dave P
02-10-2011, 07:29 PM
Don't quote me on this but I think the top earning NFL team makes about 50 million in profit in a season....average is something like 25 million


...and Lions have been losing money for the last 4 seasons.





I don't think that qualifies as "Making Billions"

Ralph Wiggum
02-10-2011, 07:39 PM
you need an economics course bad

what does economics have to do with his statement?

are you just trying to sound smart? because you really didn't.

CutItUp9759
02-10-2011, 07:46 PM
what does economics have to do with his statement?

are you just trying to sound smart? because you really didn't.

When ironworkers start to attract fans and people are willing to pay to see them do their work, then they will get the same pay.

We, the average Joes, actually create the price by driving up demand. The NFL lowers supply by having so few games each year. High prices paid.

kethnaab
02-10-2011, 08:47 PM
Where the employees get 60% of the profits.


or where the employees have an average career lifespan of under 5 years.

with no retirement benefits

and yet generate approximately $10 billion in revenue

Barry Bonds
02-11-2011, 04:36 AM
Don't quote me on this but I think the top earning NFL team makes about 50 million in profit in a season....average is something like 25 million


...and Lions have been losing money for the last 4 seasons.





I don't think that qualifies as "Making Billions"

I'm sure the NFL is the most profitable league, but overhead is unbelievable. If every team didn't make money from the Yankees, there'd be a lot of unprofitable teams in baseball. The NBA definitely has teams losing money.

How many players are losing money?

TheStack
02-11-2011, 04:46 AM
what does economics have to do with his statement?

are you just trying to sound smart? because you really didn't.


When ironworkers start to attract fans and people are willing to pay to see them do their work, then they will get the same pay.

We, the average Joes, actually create the price by driving up demand. The NFL lowers supply by having so few games each year. High prices paid.

There is your answer

The fact that so many people are unaware about supply and demand worries me.

ezmac31
02-11-2011, 04:47 AM
they just need to get a deal done, period. theyre both phaggots for letting it get to this point and the game is going to suffer regardless (being shortened season, shortened free agency when they get things together in like july, etc) if they dont figure it out soon.

and lol @ players puttng their lives on the line. nobody makes them be football players. they can take their free education and go get a desk job somewhere.

SpiderSense
02-11-2011, 05:32 AM
Is this another case of the retard opinion:

"dur hur I make 40K a year so pro athletes should take a pay cut"

Be sure to let us all know when 55 thousand people a week pay to watch you lay concrete in person :rolleyes:

bignpisst
02-11-2011, 05:36 AM
both are greedy but its "WE" the fans that will suffer

as a Packer fan whos team is publicly owned it really pisses me off this is happening

Jyeatbvg
02-11-2011, 06:57 AM
what does economics have to do with his statement?

are you just trying to sound smart? because you really didn't.

In short:

low supply of NFL players + high demand for NFL = high salaries
high supply of firefighters/iron workers + low demand to watch them do their job = low salaries

GApump
02-11-2011, 07:00 AM
in retrospect, I dun posted in a troll thread :(

floppyflaps
02-11-2011, 07:16 AM
You sound like a redneck who's never taken an economics course, proposes things like this, then complains about socialism and big government.

kethnaab
02-11-2011, 07:20 AM
There are a lot of people with more hazardous jobs than football players that get none of the glory and a fraction of the money. Ironworkers, miners, firefighters, soldiers. Give me a break.


You sound like a redneck who's never taken an economics course, proposes things like this, then complains about socialism and big government.

basically. 19 teams are worth > $1 billion this season. Player salary averages are grossly skewed by the very few of the league's superstars. They're the ones that generate the revenue.

Let's bitch about the players making money, while we fork over $80 to the owners of the stadium to go watch the players in a game.

KennyK
02-11-2011, 07:57 AM
I'm sure the NFL is the most profitable league, but overhead is unbelievable. If every team didn't make money from the Yankees, there'd be a lot of unprofitable teams in baseball. The NBA definitely has teams losing money.

How many players are losing money?

75% of NFL players are bankrupt within i believe 5 years of leaving the league.

ezmac31
02-11-2011, 07:58 AM
75% of NFL players are bankrupt within i believe 5 years of leaving the league.

surely giving them more millions on top of what they already have will make them more financially savy.

pinkpinkpony
02-11-2011, 08:04 AM
if people stopped going to games, watching it on tv, purchasing merchandise, then the price of tickets and other stuff would drop.

gbkxbb
02-11-2011, 08:10 AM
Great idea. Next we will cap the salary for doctors at 25k a year.

How do you think its reasonable at all to basically tell someone they can take a gigantic pay cut because the average joe isn't doing well?

210RobinHood
02-11-2011, 08:16 AM
Lol at whoever made a statement about the players having no retirement plans. For god's sake they make millions of dollars and have accountants/lawyers/agents to advise them. If they don't stash away some of that money for retirement they are the idiots. Brb, buying 8 ferraris and a $10 million dollar house that I can't afford to be gangsta.

Bottomline here is that the players are overpaid, but the reason for that is b/c the owners are idiots. If they really wanted to make the league fair and keep salaries down they would institute a hard cap with no exceptions.

If you think the NFL is in trouble wait till the next CBA for the NBA. The NFL is light years ahead of them in terms of player terms.

gbkxbb
02-11-2011, 08:26 AM
Lol at whoever made a statement about the players having no retirement plans. For god's sake they make millions of dollars and have accountants/lawyers/agents to advise them. If they don't stash away some of that money for retirement they are the idiots. Brb, buying 8 ferraris and a $10 million dollar house that I can't afford to be gangsta.

Bottomline here is that the players are overpaid, but the reason for that is b/c the owners are idiots. If they really wanted to make the league fair and keep salaries down they would institute a hard cap with no exceptions.

If you think the NFL is in trouble wait till the next CBA for the NBA. The NFL is light years ahead of them in terms of player terms.

Its hard to call the players over paid if you don't know the profit of the owners. Knowing revenue doesn't tell you much. If you drop players salaries and the owners start pulling in 50% profit margins, then the owners are over paid.

Dave P
02-11-2011, 08:26 AM
basically. 19 teams are worth > $1 billion this season. Player salary averages are grossly skewed by the very few of the league's superstars. They're the ones that generate the revenue.

Let's bitch about the players making money, while we fork over $80 to the owners of the stadium to go watch the players in a game.

If a business is worth 1 billion and only makes $50 million a year thats a pretty bad business in my opinion.



Thats a 5% ROI and we're talking about the top teams in the league....



(yes I'm sure this is oversimplified)



I've seen numbers for Operational Income, and I was under the impression that that number was the profit the team was making. Am I looking at the wrong number?

CCAurora
02-11-2011, 08:31 AM
brb the players should hand a billion dollars to the owners and get a lower revenue share than any other players association because the OP works at a dirt factory.

gbkxbb
02-11-2011, 08:36 AM
If a business is worth 1 billion and only makes $50 million a year thats a pretty bad business in my opinion.



Thats a 5% ROI and we're talking about the top teams in the league....



(yes I'm sure this is oversimplified)



I've seen numbers for Operational Income, and I was under the impression that that number was the profit the team was making. Am I looking at the wrong number?

I'm not sure about your numbers, but even if they are getting 5%, that's not too terribly bad. Most investors look for somewhere between 7-9% on their money, and an NFL team is a pretty safe investment, so one would accept lower percentage gains.

210RobinHood
02-11-2011, 09:01 AM
Its hard to call the players over paid if you don't know the profit of the owners. Knowing revenue doesn't tell you much. If you drop players salaries and the owners start pulling in 50% profit margins, then the owners are over paid.

Why do the players have to make X% of revenue for it to be fair anyways??? Just because the company that you work for makes more money doesn't entitle you to any more salary. Its all optional, as in at the discretion of the owners. Why is that... its because the owners actually have their investments at risk in the companies, not the players.

All players are contractors for the NFL, just like most of us are contractors/employees for the companies we work for. If they don't like the pay the can always go elsewhere. But wait there's no other market for them to make millions b/c the rest of the world cares more about soccer. <---- This is the ultimate leverage for the owners and the reason why the players should shut up and be happy.

BRB... I'm going to go cry because I have to play in 18 vs 16 games and only make $4 million instead of $5 million working 5 months out of the year.

Greg1983
02-11-2011, 09:11 AM
Why do the players have to make X% of revenue for it to be fair anyways??? Just because the company that you work for makes more money doesn't entitle you to any more salary. Its all optional, as in at the discretion of the owners. Why is that... its because the owners actually have their investments at risk in the companies, not the players.

The players have invested a lifetime of training into what they do. I'm obviously more replaceable than one of them, hence our differences in pay, but if I didn't feel my salary accurately measured my value to the company, you better believe I'd look out for myself.



All players are contractors for the NFL, just like most of us are contractors/employees for the companies we work for. If they don't like the pay the can always go elsewhere. But wait there's no other market for them to make millions b/c the rest of the world cares more about soccer. <---- This is the ultimate leverage for the owners and the reason why the players should shut up and be happy.

BRB... I'm going to go cry because I have to play in 18 vs 16 games and only make $4 million instead of $5 million working 5 months out of the year.

It's not like the collection of people best in the world at what they do, drawing millions of viewers every week, don't have any leverage here.

5x10
02-11-2011, 09:16 AM
owners leverage will be going up once those paychecks stop arriving in the players accounts

gbkxbb
02-11-2011, 09:17 AM
Why do the players have to make X% of revenue for it to be fair anyways??? Just because the company that you work for makes more money doesn't entitle you to any more salary. Its all optional, as in at the discretion of the owners. Why is that... its because the owners actually have their investments at risk in the companies, not the players.

All players are contractors for the NFL, just like most of us are contractors/employees for the companies we work for. If they don't like the pay the can always go elsewhere. But wait there's no other market for them to make millions b/c the rest of the world cares more about soccer. <---- This is the ultimate leverage for the owners and the reason why the players should shut up and be happy.

BRB... I'm going to go cry because I have to play in 18 vs 16 games and only make $4 million instead of $5 million working 5 months out of the year.

You are right in the concept that players don't HAVE to make X% of anything. But what you have to understand is that the players, by working as a union, have just as much leverage as the owners. You are right, the players have no where else to go if they leave football, but neither do the owners. (if we agree that replacement players won't cut it, and other leagues won't cut it for the players)...that's why there's a labor dispute...

And please, stop with all the talk about players whining and what not. There's nothing wrong with a labor union attempting to negotiate what is most profitable to their players, just like there's nothing wrong with an owners group trying to neogitate what is most profitable for themselves...in the end, they both need each other and they will need to come to an agreement that is equal to both sides. But in any agreement, its crazy to think one side is just going to take a gigantic pay cut because the other side said they should.

gbkxbb
02-11-2011, 09:18 AM
owners leverage will be going up once those paychecks stop arriving in the players accounts

It works the same way. Revenue will start decreasing for the owners before the players. Season ticket sales will decline starting in the spring.

If the owners had so much leverage (and maybe they do) what happened in 2006?

210RobinHood
02-11-2011, 09:21 AM
The players have invested a lifetime of training into what they do. I'm obviously more replaceable than one of them, hence our differences in pay, but if I didn't feel my salary accurately measured my value to the company, you better believe I'd look out for myself.



It's not like the collection of people best in the world at what they do, drawing millions of viewers every week, don't have any leverage here.

So your saying if a player think's he worth $10 million but is only offered $8 million that he should sit out and not play?

I agree that players have some leverage, but the leverage of the owners is way more noticeable since there is no rival league in place for them to jump to. Shutdown the owners for a year and its no huge deal, shut down a whole league of players for a year and their paycheck-to-paycheck lifestyles will suffer greatly.

5x10
02-11-2011, 09:21 AM
It works the same way. Revenue will start decreasing for the owners before the players. Season ticket sales will decline starting in the spring.

If the owners had so much leverage (and maybe they do) what happened in 2006?

i agree, but whose pockets are deeper?

gbkxbb
02-11-2011, 09:24 AM
i agree, but whose pockets are deeper?

Again, what happened in 2006? If the owners pockets are so deep (maybe they are, maybe they aren't) why would they sign such a poor deal?

bignpisst
02-11-2011, 09:28 AM
Dear NFL players,



Im having a hard time




signed,

Average Joe

Tyler44
02-11-2011, 09:31 AM
LMFAO @ the phrase "NFL players put their lives on the line."

You've got to be kidding me. There are tons of professions with more physical danger than football players. No one makes them play a GAME and never work a real job in their life. I have 0 sympathy for professional athletes or the owners.

Get a deal done, plain and simple.

ezmac31
02-11-2011, 09:32 AM
LMFAO @ the phrase "NFL players put their lives on the line."

You've got to be kidding me. There are tons of professions with more physical danger than football players. No one makes them play a GAME and never work a real job in their life. I have 0 sympathy for professional athletes or the owners.

Get a deal done, plain and simple.

like almost my exact post on the previous page haha

5x10
02-11-2011, 09:34 AM
Again, what happened in 2006? If the owners pockets are so deep (maybe they are, maybe they aren't) why would they sign such a poor deal?

who knows bro, all im saying is, imo, the owners will have increased leverage once the players(who are used to living a certain quality of life) stop receiving paychecks

i really doubt that the owners will take any hit to their quality of life

gbkxbb
02-11-2011, 09:34 AM
LMFAO @ the phrase "NFL players put their lives on the line."

You've got to be kidding me. There are tons of professions with more physical danger than football players. No one makes them play a GAME and never work a real job in their life. I have 0 sympathy for professional athletes or the owners.

Get a deal done, plain and simple.

The players leverage doesn't come from something like putting their lives on the line, it comes from being some of the most athletic and talented people on the face of the earth, that's why they get paid. No one else can do what they do at such a high level.

Greg1983
02-11-2011, 09:35 AM
So your saying if a player think's he worth $10 million but is only offered $8 million that he should sit out and not play?

Absolutely.



I agree that players have some leverage, but the leverage of the owners is way more noticeable since there is no rival league in place for them to jump to. Shutdown the owners for a year and its no huge deal, shut down a whole league of players for a year and their paycheck-to-paycheck lifestyles will suffer greatly.

Pretty sure it's a huge deal to the owners too. Not getting return on an investment during a lockout sucks. Of course they're cooking the books to make it look like they're not profiting huge, but none of us know how accurate that is. From the number of people in the stands and the TV ratings, I'm not so sure.

thek1d
02-11-2011, 09:36 AM
Last time I checked the stadiums were pretty damn full during the middle of a down economy so I'm not really following you. No matter what the split is between the owners and players the ticket prices aren't going down.

That's not entirely true...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2010/12/Issue-56/The-Back-Of-The-Book/NFL-Attendance-Flat-Through-Week-12-Jaguars-Seeing-Big-Increase.aspx

Attendance was down .2% over the same period a year earlier.

Also, blackouts in 2010 match the total in 2009, that was a new five-year high.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/12/tv-blackouts-bills-bengals-wont-air-nfl-matches-2009-total/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+TP-TheHuddle+%28Sports+-+The+Huddle%29

Bengals seven-year sellout streak ended:

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?&Dato=20101117&Kategori=SPT02&Lopenr=11180341

And some teams have decreased ticket prices, like the Tampa Bay Bucs

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/18/bucs-drop-ticket-prices/

But plenty of teams have improved their ticket sales like the Lions and Rams, and even bad teams (Bills/Cards) were able to sell out some games. The fact is, the NFL is expensive in person (ticket/parking/concessions/time). When you consider you can watch games broadcast in HD for FREE over the air, it makes a lot of sense to stay at home and watch it in the comfort of your living room.

Greg1983
02-11-2011, 09:39 AM
That's not entirely true...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2010/12/Issue-56/The-Back-Of-The-Book/NFL-Attendance-Flat-Through-Week-12-Jaguars-Seeing-Big-Increase.aspx

Attendance was down .2% over the same period a year earlier.

Also, blackouts in 2010 match the total in 2009, that was a new five-year high.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/12/tv-blackouts-bills-bengals-wont-air-nfl-matches-2009-total/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+TP-TheHuddle+%28Sports+-+The+Huddle%29

Bengals seven-year sellout streak ended:

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?&Dato=20101117&Kategori=SPT02&Lopenr=11180341

And some teams have decreased ticket prices, like the Tampa Bay Bucs

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/18/bucs-drop-ticket-prices/

But plenty of teams have improved their ticket sales like the Lions and Rams, and even bad teams (Bills/Cards) were able to sell out some games. The fact is, the NFL is expensive in person (ticket/parking/concessions/time). When you consider you can watch games broadcast in HD for FREE over the air, it makes a lot of sense to stay at home and watch it in the comfort of your living room.

That's one thing I agree with. Though you can't beat going to a sporting event live, technology is sure as hell closing the gap. That said, the TV and advertising contracts are massive.

JRRBadBoy4Life
02-11-2011, 09:43 AM
The more the players get paid, the less money available to go to the other employees of the franchise, the ones who actually need the money. Very selfish and they should be ashamed of themselves.

thek1d
02-11-2011, 09:44 AM
That's one thing I agree with. Though you can't beat going to a sporting event live, technology is sure as hell closing the gap. That said, the TV and advertising contracts are massive.

Yep

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5995093


ESPN and the NFL are closing in on a new deal that would extend the network's rights to "Monday Night Football" beyond 2020 and pay the league nearly $2 billion per season, according to Sports Business Daily.

ESPN, responding to the story, said in a statement: "We continue to have conversations with the NFL and have not yet reached a new agreement."

The NFL, in a statement, said: "We have had discussions with the ESPN, but we do not have an agreement on an extension of the contract beyond its current expiration after the 2013 season."

ESPN and the NFL have a deal through 2013. The new deal, when signed, would be for nine or 10 additional seasons at $1.8 billion or $1.9 billion per year, Sports Business Daily reported.

The deal would include "Monday Night Football," but not a Super Bowl, the Daily reported, adding that it could include a wild-card playoff game. Previously, the NFL has resisted putting playoff games on cable television.


MNF has what maybe 20 games tops? (Double-header to open the season, didn't they do a double-header near the end of the year too?) That's $100,000,000 PER GAME!

gbkxbb
02-11-2011, 09:45 AM
The more the players get paid, the less money available to go to the other employees of the franchise, the ones who actually need the money. Very selfish and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Are you going to walk up to your boss and volunteer for a pay cut so someone else in your office can have more money?

If you do, props. But I don't think most people would be willing to take a paycut for the less fortunate, so why should NFL players?

Greg1983
02-11-2011, 09:47 AM
The more the players get paid, the less money available to go to the other employees of the franchise, the ones who actually need the money. Very selfish and they should be ashamed of themselves.

So you think if the players made less that the owners would pay the concession workers and office staff more out of the goodness of their hearts?

NJLife
02-11-2011, 10:17 AM
So the owners will be raking in 100's of millions from revenue, while the players(backbone of entire operation) make no more than 2 million?

Sounds fair

Sounds like any corporation to me

rampagefc77
02-11-2011, 10:19 AM
The sad part is that you think player salaries are out of control. The highest paid players make money because they generate revenue.

I could have no interest in the Indianapolis Colts, but know it would be a good game because you'd get to watch Peyton Manning.

Most players get paid what, $2m a year? Thats not a lot when you consider that their careers could end at any moment, and what they are doing can be detrimental to the rest of your life.

Pretty much you just said 2 millions isn't a lot of money...

A VERY small fraction of the population makes 100K a year, so in 1 year of that ONLY 2 million salary, that would be 20 years of working for this small portion of the population, or 40 years working if you make 50K a year. 40 years is basically a working life, so in that 1 year, the football player would make as much as a fairly average person would in their entire life. Lets not forget the free education most got at a school they never would have otherwise been able to attend. Pretty tough life

How will they ever be able to live...

ilikebeer
02-11-2011, 10:21 AM
ITT OP is jelly


u mad op?

rampagefc77
02-11-2011, 10:23 AM
or where the employees have an average career lifespan of under 5 years.

with no retirement benefits

and yet generate approximately $10 billion in revenue

It's not like they wouldn't fall back on their degree (if they completed college), make wise investments while playing instead of blowing it on pointless stuff, etc. If they are 27 and out of football, why do we have to assume they should retire then? Why not be like the rest of the country and get a job and work until normal retirement age?