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TAWS6
12-14-2010, 10:43 AM
Question- Where does Favre rate among the all-time quarterbacks?



DOUG -- 1. Montana, 2. Brady, 3. Elway, 4. PManning, 5. Young
RYAN -- 1. Montana, 2. Brady, 3. Elway, 4. Moon, 5. Unitas.

Agree, Disagree?


I cant find what Skip said so I will repost next time it comes on. He didnt even have Peyton in the top 6. Strange.

5x10
12-14-2010, 10:44 AM
i like dougs but wouldnt have elway at 3, rather have marino

charity4thepoor
12-14-2010, 10:44 AM
warren moon is the GOAT

TAWS6
12-14-2010, 10:45 AM
i like dougs but wouldnt have elway at 3, rather have marino

Thats what I was thinking. They probably took Elway only because he has a ring.

JaxBrah
12-14-2010, 10:47 AM
has anyone ever been more overrated than john elway?

TAWS6
12-14-2010, 10:50 AM
has anyone ever been more overrated than john elway?

I would take Elway over Favre. Thats probably not saying much though.

Bowyermania
12-14-2010, 10:53 AM
Question- Where does Favre rate among the all-time quarterbacks?



DOUG -- 1. Montana, 2. Brady, 3. Elway, 4. PManning, 5. Young
RYAN -- 1. Montana, 2. Brady, 3. Elway, 4. Moon, 5. Unitas.

Agree, Disagree?


I cant find what Skip said so I will repost next time it comes on. He didnt even have Peyton in the top 6. Strange.

lol at Moon

kethnaab
12-14-2010, 10:56 AM
lol at Moon

why is that funny?

Bowyermania
12-14-2010, 10:58 AM
why is that funny?

top 5 of all time?


Year Team GP Att COMP YARDS CMP% TDS INTS Passer Rating
1984 Houston 16 450–259 3,338 0.576 12 14 47–371 76.9
1985 Houston 14 377–200 2,709 0.531 15 19 46–366 68.5
1986 Houston 15 488–256 3,489 0.525 13 26 41–332 62.3
1987 Houston 12 368–184 2,806 0.500 21 18 25–198 74.2
1988 Houston 11 294–160 2,327 0.544 17 8 12–120 88.4
1989 Houston 16 464–280 3,631 0.603 23 14 35–267 88.9
1990 Houston 15 584–362 4,689 0.620 33 13 36–252 96.8
1991 Houston 16 655–404 4,690 0.617 23 21 23–174 81.7
1992 Houston 11 346–224 2,521 0.647 18 12 16–105 89.3
1993 Houston 15 520–303 3,485 0.583 21 21 34–218 75.2
1994 Minnesota 15 601–371 4,264 0.617 18 19 29–235 79.9
1995 Minnesota 16 606–377 4,228 0.622 33 14 38–277 91.5
1996 Minnesota 8 247–134 1,610 0.543 7 9 19–122 68.7
1997 Seattle 15 528–313 3,678 0.593 25 16 30–192 83.7
1998 Seattle 10 258–145 1,632 0.562 11 8 22–140 76.6
1999 Kansas City 1 3–1 20 0.333 0 0 0–0 57.6
2000 Kansas City 2 34–15 208 0.441 1 1 5–46 61.9
Totals 208 6,823–3,988 49,325 0.584 291 233 458–3,415 80.9

Do those look like top 5 numbers?

FlexGunmetal
12-14-2010, 10:59 AM
has anyone ever been more overrated than john elway?

Only by people who look at his stats and didn't watch him. He had seriously god awful teams in the playoffs year in year out.

captain_marvel
12-14-2010, 11:00 AM
has anyone ever been more overrated than john elway?

Agreed 100%

Ever seen the guys stats? Not that incredible. Id put Steve Young and Brett Favre both on that list over Elway

Moon was great too but top 5 come on

rampagefc77
12-14-2010, 11:04 AM
In b4 10 page argument on Manning vs. Brady... with Rodgers name randomly mentioned somewhere in the mix to stir up some ****.

*grabs popcorn*

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 11:16 AM
id go 1) montana, 2) brady, 3) marino, 4) young, 5) elway

crunchyblack
12-14-2010, 11:21 AM
favre has just been around for 20 years so its no wonder he holds so many records

with only one ring i don't think he ranks in the top 5...maybe at the tail end of the top 10.

FlexGunmetal
12-14-2010, 11:24 AM
id go 1) montana, 2) brady, 3) marino, 4) young, 5) elway

Young over Elway?

http://imgur.com/bO5CK.gif

kethnaab
12-14-2010, 11:26 AM
top 5 of all time?

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Totals 208 6,8233,988 49,325 0.584 291 233 4583,415 80.9

Do those look like top 5 numbers?

technically speaking, his yardage is 5th and his TDs are 6th. Not bad considering how woefully pathetic many of the teams he was stuck with were earlier in his career.

Put it this way, in 1990, he put up 4689 yards, 33 TDs, 13 picks, and led the NFL in 5 different passing categories. His team was 9-7 and had the 24th rated rushing attack in the NFL that season (out of 28 teams)

Do a quick search on "run and shoot" and you'll find some interesting data

I also have an opinion colored by the fact that I watched the dude play.

Big_Pete1000
12-14-2010, 11:27 AM
So subjective.

TAWS6
12-14-2010, 11:28 AM
I am going to go watch some more Montana highlights to see what all the fuss is about.

Big_Pete1000
12-14-2010, 11:30 AM
I am going to go watch some more Montana highlights to see what all the fuss is about.

Against the bengals on the game winning drive in the super bowl he threw and INT right to the bengals defensive back

He dropped the easiest INT

A few plays later it is a TD to win the super bowl

Bengals have now been going downhill somehow for two decades.

captain_marvel
12-14-2010, 11:31 AM
Young over Elway?

http://imgur.com/bO5CK.gif

Yes

Location: Colorado

John Elway has a career Qb rating of 79 lolol

Steve Young has a career QB rating of 97, 2.3 to 1 TD to int ratio and over 4,000 rushing yards on top of all of that.

Elway was good no question but consistently one of the most overated players of all time.

inEXISTENCE
12-14-2010, 11:32 AM
Only by people who look at his stats and didn't watch him. He had seriously god awful teams in the playoffs year in year out.

Oh lordy this


No running backs, no O line, no receivers with hands...

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:33 AM
Based on how good of a QB they are and not on how many wins they have:

1) Tom Brady
2) Dan Marino
3) Steve Young
4) Brett Favre
5) Peyton Manning

Favre would possibly be number one if he wasn't such a horrible decision maker.

If I go based on "legacy" or weigh in championships its a totally different ball game.

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 11:34 AM
Young over Elway?

http://imgur.com/bO5CK.gif

Location: Colorado

john elway career rating: 79.9
steve young: nfl RECORD 96.8

john elway postseason rating: 79.7
steve young: 85.8

davis carried elway to his only rings, and he could only do it AFTER the other greats were gone.

also.....brb playing sh*t in the superbowl

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199801250den.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199001280den.htm
19.4 rating LMAO....

elways 5 superbowls: 2-3....3 td- 8 int......steve young get 6 TDs in ONE superbowl...

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:35 AM
Yes

Location: Colorado

John Elway has a career Qb rating of 79 lolol

Steve Young has a career QB rating of 97, 2.3 to 1 TD to int ratio and over 4,000 rushing yards on top of all of that.

Elway was good no question but consistently one of the most overated players of all time.

I agree. Aikman and Bradshaw are up their too. IMO Joe Montana is overrated just because of the fact that so many people put him at number one when his stats were pretty average and people like to ignore that he was not perfect in the playoffs just like every other QB isn't.

TAWS6
12-14-2010, 11:37 AM
I agree. Aikman and Bradshaw are up their too. IMO Joe Montana is overrated just because of the fact that so many people put him at number one when his stats were pretty average and people like to ignore that he was not perfect in the playoffs just like every other QB isn't.

Isnt he 4-0 in sb's?

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:37 AM
favre has just been around for 20 years so its no wonder he holds so many records

with only one ring i don't think he ranks in the top 5...maybe at the tail end of the top 10.

Where is Marino then? Out of the top 10?

This whole ranking QBs based on rings is getting ridiculous.

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:38 AM
Isnt he 4-0 in sb's?

Yes but he had a quite a few playoff stinkers too.

Bradshaw is 4-0 in SB's too. Should he be in the top 5?

TAWS6
12-14-2010, 11:38 AM
Yes but he had a quite a few playoff stinkers too.

Bradshaw has a schitload of rings. Should he be in the top 5?

Never saw either of them play so I cant answer that.

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:40 AM
Never saw either of them play so I cant answer that.

You have to watch some classic games, its great. For guys like Bradshaw you can eliminate him just based on his stats alone.

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 11:41 AM
I agree. Aikman and Bradshaw are up their too. IMO Joe Montana is overrated just because of the fact that so many people put him at number one when his stats were pretty average and people like to ignore that he was not perfect in the playoffs just like every other QB isn't.

not sure if srs...aikman was average as fuk, 165 TDs- 141 INTs on his career

RedAuerbach
12-14-2010, 11:42 AM
Where is Marino then? Out of the top 10?

This whole ranking QBs based on rings is getting ridiculous.

cause if you're a good QB who cares unless you got them rings to show off

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:43 AM
not sure if srs...aikman was average as fuk, 165 TDs- 141 INTs on his career

Brah, I let you pass on this one, but come on.

I just said he was up there with the most overrated QB of all time. Read.

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:44 AM
cause if you're a good QB who cares unless you got them rings to show off

Let me play this game.

Who cares if you have rings if you aren't even a good QB?

TAWS6
12-14-2010, 11:44 AM
Brah, I let you pass on this one, but come on.

I just said he was up there with the most overrated QB of all time. Read.

Who do you put ahead of Montana?

captain_marvel
12-14-2010, 11:48 AM
Montana had a career Qb rating of 92.3 and even played great the last couple of years he played for the Chiefs. Putting the Super bowls aside he was still the real deal.

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:48 AM
Who do you put ahead of Montana?

Brady
Marino
Young
Favre
Manning

Its kind of a toss up with Montana and Unitas.

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:50 AM
Montana had a career Qb rating of 92.3 and even played great the last couple of years he played for the Chiefs. Putting the Super bowls aside he was still the real deal.

Yeah but he simply was not as good as a player like Marino.

Onita
12-14-2010, 11:50 AM
Brady
Marino
Young
Favre
Manning

Its kind of a toss up with Montana and Unitas.

wtf? u serious?

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 11:54 AM
Brah, I let you pass on this one, but come on.

I just said he was up there with the most overrated QB of all time. Read.

my bad brah


Brady
Marino
Young
Favre
Manning

Its kind of a toss up with Montana and Unitas.

idk if you are serious here

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:56 AM
Montana surpassed 30 TDs ONCE and played on a ridiculous team.

He crumbled after going to KC. You can say he played well but those are Kyle Orton stats...

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 11:59 AM
Montana surpassed 30 TDs ONCE and played on a ridiculous team.

He crumbled after going to KC. You can say he played well but those are Kyle Orton stats...

dude he was at the end of his career...idk what u expect. his last season was better than marinos though, AND favres

captain_marvel
12-14-2010, 12:02 PM
cause if you're a good QB who cares unless you got them rings to show off

Yeah lets go ahead and put Trent Dilfer in over Dan Marino. who cares its all about rings


What is important is HOW the qb played in those playoff runs and superbowls

for example both Bradshaw and Montana have 4 rings: Montanas play and numbers were far superior to Bradshaws. Montana was the leading star in their rings while for the Steelers it was more so Franco Harris, Lynn Swann and the steel curtain.

Its not all about just rings in itself.

JTrain306
12-14-2010, 12:04 PM
dude he was at the end of his career...idk what u expect. his last season was better than marinos though, AND favres
Bro, if you don't have the best year of your career at age 38, you are crumbling. Seems like FSUBRAH is hating just to be different, nothing to see here.

p.s. - Brady is done, sorry to break it to you.

FlexGunmetal
12-14-2010, 12:04 PM
Location: Colorado

john elway career rating: 79.9
steve young: nfl RECORD 96.8

john elway postseason rating: 79.7
steve young: 85.8

davis carried elway to his only rings, and he could only do it AFTER the other greats were gone.

also.....brb playing sh*t in the superbowl

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199801250den.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199001280den.htm
19.4 rating LMAO....

elways 5 superbowls: 2-3....3 td- 8 int......steve young get 6 TDs in ONE superbowl...
John Elway: Played in Denver under Dan Reeves on teams devoid of talent outside of Elway.
Steve Young: Played on a stacked San Fran in the early-mid 90s.

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 12:06 PM
John Elway: Played in Denver under Dan Reeves on teams devoid of talent outside of Elway.
Steve Young: Played on a stacked San Fran in the early-mid 90s.

oh...so thats why elways success couldnt transfer over from the regular season to the postseason?.....give me a fuking break. a QB rating in the teens? no excuse for that.

denver had talent...all pros tom jackson, dennis smith, karl mecklenburg, steve atwater, shannon sharpe...etc

captain_marvel
12-14-2010, 12:07 PM
Yeah but he simply was not as good as a player like Marino.


Montana surpassed 30 TDs ONCE and played on a ridiculous team.

He crumbled after going to KC. You can say he played well but those are Kyle Orton stats...

Crumbled?

Have you seen his stats the last two years at KC? Still better than 80% of the league. His first year at KC he had a 88 passer rating (better then Marino's career rating of 86) and an 85 passer rating his last year there before retiring.

No question Marino is one of the greats but his numbers are more so a large accumulation much like Favre's. Playing almost two decades and playing on teams with no balance throwing 40 plus passes a game.

FlexGunmetal
12-14-2010, 12:10 PM
oh...so thats why elways success couldnt transfer over from the regular season to the postseason?.....give me a fuking break. a QB rating in the teens? no excuse for that.
Look at those teams he brought to the superbowls.
John Elway, Broncos (22 games, 14-8 record)
Elway had a great run during the end of his career, but also had some truly terrible games in the postseason. In a winning effort against New England in 1986, he completed only 13 of 32 passes; in the 1987 Super Bowl he was 14 for 38 and was picked off three times; in the 1989 Super Bowl, he was 10 for 26 for only 108 yards, and was intercepted twice.

But Elway was nonetheless one of the greatest playoff QBs. He played in 22 postseason games, and ended his career with a 14-8 record -- and a nifty seven-game winning streak, including those two Super Bowl titles. Overall, he's near the top of the playoff record book in a bunch of categories: 651 pass attempts (third); 355 passes completed (third); 4,964 yards passing (second). In the end, Elway had too many clutch wins (ask Browns fans) and the Super Bowl titles earn him acclaim as a great playoff performer.


Edit: BTW, he was a superbowl MVP

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 12:13 PM
Look at those teams he brought to the superbowls.
John Elway, Broncos (22 games, 14-8 record)
Elway had a great run during the end of his career, but also had some truly terrible games in the postseason. In a winning effort against New England in 1986, he completed only 13 of 32 passes; in the 1987 Super Bowl he was 14 for 38 and was picked off three times; in the 1989 Super Bowl, he was 10 for 26 for only 108 yards, and was intercepted twice.

But Elway was nonetheless one of the greatest playoff QBs. He played in 22 postseason games, and ended his career with a 14-8 record -- and a nifty seven-game winning streak, including those two Super Bowl titles. Overall, he's near the top of the playoff record book in a bunch of categories: 651 pass attempts (third); 355 passes completed (third); 4,964 yards passing (second). In the end, Elway had too many clutch wins (ask Browns fans) and the Super Bowl titles earn him acclaim as a great playoff performer.

he played like sh*t in the superbowl and couldnt get rings until davis literally carried him the whole way.

FlexGunmetal
12-14-2010, 12:36 PM
he played like sh*t in the superbowl and couldnt get rings until davis literally carried him the whole way.

You mean a complimentary football team is required to win a championship?
I guess the opinions of his peers and former players/coaches are inferior to yours. They should be, seeing as you are basing your opinion off of experience. You were already 9 when he retired, and likely had established a credibly stance on the subject by then.

In his SB losses, he was the only decent player on those teams. Not difficult to game-plan against.

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 12:38 PM
You mean a complimentary football team is required to win a championship?
I guess the opinions of his peers and former players/coaches are inferior to yours. They should be, seeing as you are basing your opinion off of experience, you were already 9 when he retired.

lol...any elite qb will have their peers and former teammates suking their dick about how great they were

elway was one of the best (obviously), but he doesnt deserve the credit that other elite qb's too, and has no business being considered the GOAT

iamgenus
12-14-2010, 12:40 PM
Yeah but he simply was not as good as a player like Marino.


Montana surpassed 30 TDs ONCE and played on a ridiculous team.

He crumbled after going to KC. You can say he played well but those are Kyle Orton stats...

Boy, you are some kind of stupid.

Please tell me how "ridiculous" Montana's team was his first 2 superbowl seasons.

One of those btw happened to be ownage of a Marino led Dolphins.

lulz at crumbling by getting that team to the AFC Championship game with a f*cked up back.

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 12:43 PM
Boy, you are some kind of stupid.

Please tell me how "ridiculous" Montana's team was his first 2 superbowl seasons.

good point brah...

message to all you newbs.....montana won 2 superbowls before jerry rice was even drafted.

FlexGunmetal
12-14-2010, 12:47 PM
lol...any elite qb will have their peers and former teammates suking their dick about how great they were

elway was one of the best (obviously), but he doesnt deserve the credit that other elite qb's too, and has no business being considered the GOAT

But he does, and he is. For years it's been Montana, Marino, and Elway as the top 3. I guess you are in the minority.

Edit: I am a self proclaimed homer but on the elway issue I try not to be.

JTrain306
12-14-2010, 12:53 PM
good point brah...

message to all you newbs.....montana won 2 superbowls before jerry rice was even drafted.
BUT HE HAD JERRY RICE!!!!!! JERRY RICE MADE JOE MONTANA!!!!


oh wait

Erik2806
12-14-2010, 12:54 PM
But he does, and he is. For years it's been Montana, Marino, and Elway as the top 3. I guess you are in the minority.

Edit: I am a self proclaimed homer but on the elway issue I try not to be.

the majority doesnt put elway as the GOAT though... thatd be montana

FlexGunmetal
12-14-2010, 12:55 PM
the majority doesnt put elway as the GOAT though... thatd be montana

I agree, but it's not uncommon to see him in the discussion.

TAWS6
12-14-2010, 12:58 PM
To bad Brady got hurt in 08 when Moss wasnt a bum yet.

cchar042
12-14-2010, 01:06 PM
has anyone ever been more overrated than john elway?

Joe Namath.

Look up his stats and tell me how people love him. Rex Grossman was better.

Ecnewyx
12-14-2010, 01:09 PM
Yes but he had a quite a few playoff stinkers too.

Bradshaw is 4-0 in SB's too. Should he be in the top 5?

Define "quite a few" playoff stinkers.

4-0 in Super Bowls is legit, regardless. 11 TDs 0 picks, 127.8 rating. I don't believe Bradshaw even comes close: whether it's in the Super Bowl or just in the postseason.

PumpAndGrow
12-14-2010, 01:12 PM
has anyone ever been more overrated than john elway?

please go.

UberAlles
12-14-2010, 01:13 PM
should be

1. joe montana
2....
3....
4....
5....everybody else

TAWS6
12-14-2010, 01:18 PM
should be

1. joe montana
2....
3....
4....
5....everybody else

Is that because Brady hasnt retired yet?

Be_Easy_25
12-14-2010, 01:38 PM
why does marino get a pass for not winning a ring?

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 01:45 PM
dude he was at the end of his career...idk what u expect. his last season was better than marinos though, AND favres

Favre also had a season at age 40 in which he obliterated Montana's best single season.

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 02:02 PM
Crumbled?

Have you seen his stats the last two years at KC? Still better than 80% of the league. His first year at KC he had a 88 passer rating (better then Marino's career rating of 86) and an 85 passer rating his last year there before retiring.

No question Marino is one of the greats but his numbers are more so a large accumulation much like Favre's. Playing almost two decades and playing on teams with no balance throwing 40 plus passes a game.

BRB not even being able to amass 20 TDS in back to back seasons.

Also you are saying anything now, stop. Marino had multiple huge years. Same with Favre. Hanging around helped, but its not like they were average players that broke records because of long careers.


Define "quite a few" playoff stinkers.

4-0 in Super Bowls is legit, regardless. 11 TDs 0 picks, 127.8 rating. I don't believe Bradshaw even comes close: whether it's in the Super Bowl or just in the postseason.

Montana got bounced from the playoffs in the first game in four appearances. He also failed to make the Super Bowl on three other occasions and missed the post season entire twice.

He posted QB Ratings of 74.8, 60.0, 65.6, 34.2, 42.0, and 39.2.

He was good in the playoffs but he was not some kind of god like he is made out to be. Brady is just as good in the playoffs as Montana. If you want to look at a true playoff god you should all be looking at Bart Starr or Otto Graham.

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 02:03 PM
why does marino get a pass for not winning a ring?

Because winning a ring is a combination effort of nearly 53 players, not a personal achievement.

iamgenus
12-14-2010, 02:29 PM
Favre also had a season at age 40 in which he obliterated Montana's best single season.

Brett Fave plays in a time when passing is easy as ****. He also happens to throw a sh*tload of picks.

Find someone who has better stats in the superbowl.

Montana just got it done. You clearly have no clue what you're yapping about.

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12-14-2010, 02:32 PM
1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Marino
5. Kurt Warner (yes really)

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CCAurora
12-14-2010, 07:43 PM
technically speaking, his yardage is 5th and his TDs are 6th. Not bad considering how woefully pathetic many of the teams he was stuck with were earlier in his career.

Put it this way, in 1990, he put up 4689 yards, 33 TDs, 13 picks, and led the NFL in 5 different passing categories. His team was 9-7 and had the 24th rated rushing attack in the NFL that season (out of 28 teams)

Do a quick search on "run and shoot" and you'll find some interesting data

I also have an opinion colored by the fact that I watched the dude play.

When a QB passes for that many yards, that can just as easily mean the team is abandoning the run, not that they couldn't run. Any team that runs as little as that team did would have low rushing #'s.

And Moon owns the greatest collapse in NFL history - in the playoffs, no less.

markusjj85
12-14-2010, 07:56 PM
How can you put Moon over Marino? Granted they both don't have a ring but I don't Moon holds any records.

CR123
12-14-2010, 07:57 PM
1) Brady (the guys is so clutch, he has sh!t receivers and makes them look like stars, welker is good but no #1 I'll never doubt him again and I hate the Pats)
2) Montana
3) Manning (when it's on the line he makes bad decisions, Maybe he does to much with calling his own plays and making too many reads, maybe he just has too much going on in his head)
4) Marino
5) Farve

But, real question is with 1:30 left in a game down by 4 who do you want at QB for your team?

I'd go with Montana, Brady, Rothlisberger( yes srs, kid is clutch)

Advil
12-14-2010, 08:02 PM
To bad Brady got hurt in 08 when Moss wasnt a bum yet.

I honestly think the hand of god was in on that. If TFB was healthy with that easy ass schedule all hell would have broke loose. I have no doubts that they could have gone 16-0 again.

kethnaab
12-14-2010, 08:09 PM
ITT, a 20-year old who never saw Montana play decides to place a bunch of QBs over him despite having no clue WTF he's talking about

and Flex, to be honest, it wasn't until Terrell Davis won Elway a pair of Super Bowls that Elway was considered anything other than a choker and postseason underachiever.

captain_marvel
12-14-2010, 08:10 PM
BRB not even being able to amass 20 TDS in back to back seasons.

Also you are saying anything now, stop. Marino had multiple huge years. Same with Favre. Hanging around helped, but its not like they were average players that broke records because of long careers.



Montana got bounced from the playoffs in the first game in four appearances. He also failed to make the Super Bowl on three other occasions and missed the post season entire twice.

He posted QB Ratings of 74.8, 60.0, 65.6, 34.2, 42.0, and 39.2.

He was good in the playoffs but he was not some kind of god like he is made out to be. Brady is just as good in the playoffs as Montana. If you want to look at a true playoff god you should all be looking at Bart Starr or Otto Graham.

Starting to believe you are trolling.

Did anyone say that Marino and Favre are only average QB's? No, the are all time greats but what I am saying is that their numbers are great more so because of accumulation through unbalanced offenses and longevity. Thus being why it is a cold fact that neither of them have the passer rating or playoff and superbowl performances of Montana or even young or Brady. Overblown regular season stats on unbalanced offenses.

TAWS6
12-14-2010, 08:31 PM
and Flex, to be honest, it wasn't until Terrell Davis won Elway a pair of Super Bowls that Elway was considered anything other than a choker and postseason underachiever.

This is true. I remember all the so called experts bashing elway back then for choking when it matters.

kethnaab
12-14-2010, 08:50 PM
This is true. I remember all the so called experts bashing elway back then for choking when it matters.

Yeah, I was actually happy for him so folks would get off his back.

WeWannaChill
12-14-2010, 09:42 PM
ITT, a 20-year old who never saw Montana play decides to place a bunch of QBs over him despite having no clue WTF he's talking about

rofl, ^strong this

hi my name's joe montana. I'm 4-0 in superbowls. In one superbowl I raped Dan Marino 38-16. Another superbowl I raped John Elway 55-10.

Since you're 20 and dumb..

That superbowl Montana raped Elway?

The score was 7-3 at one point. Then suddenly it was 41-3. Elway couldn't do anything while Montana threw 3 straight TD passes. Once Elway finally got a touchdown Montana put up 2 more TDs just to spite his ass.

all that matters is

1. Montana
2. Brady

at the end of Brady's career, it might even be

1a. Brady
1b. Montana

JaxBrah
12-14-2010, 11:12 PM
Ive got a question, what if brady wins a 4th ring? Will people put him above montana? Or does he have to win 5?

And lets be realistic, brady has a high chance at getting #4 this year. Leaving him plenty of time to get one for the thumb

FSUBRAH84
12-14-2010, 11:48 PM
Brett Fave plays in a time when passing is easy as ****. He also happens to throw a sh*tload of picks.

Find someone who has better stats in the superbowl.

Montana just got it done. You clearly have no clue what you're yapping about.

Brett Favre played under the same rules as Montana for the majority of his career, during his prime years.

When looking at attempt to INT ratio Favre isn't any higher than every other top QB. Just having the biggest total doesn't mean sheit.

4 games don't make a career. I'm not taking anything away from those SB wins, but there are simply better QBs out there than Montana.

Your Dad
12-14-2010, 11:59 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1299032 (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/1299032/tom-brady-to-brandon-tate.html) GIFSoup (http://www.gifsoup.com/)
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1227798 (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/1227798/tom-brady-flea-flicker.html) GIFSoup (http://www.gifsoup.com/)

not to mention
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1130497 (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/1130497/gisele-bundchen.html) GIFSoup (http://www.gifsoup.com/)

Sweet Jesus, King Tommy 3 Rings threw the ball 70 yards on the second gif with perfect acc.

Will be the undisputed GOAT at the end of his career. Haters gonna hate. That whore should thank God she is able to be in the presence of such greatness.

PieceAMind
12-15-2010, 12:03 AM
Love how nobody takes into account how good Montana/Young/Brady's offensive lines are....BRB having all day to decide who to throw to.

FSUBRAH84
12-15-2010, 12:07 AM
Sweet Jesus, King Tommy 3 Rings threw the ball 70 yards on the second gif with perfect acc.

Will be the undisputed GOAT at the end of his career. Haters gonna hate. That whore should thank God she is able to be in the presence of such greatness.

Is it really necessary to have the same few gifs repeated 50 times on one page?

Also, it was 60 yards, and it wasn't perfect, the receiver had to basically stop for it.

No hate, it was a great play and I think Tom is the GOAT.

Your Dad
12-15-2010, 12:11 AM
Is it really necessary to have the same few gifs repeated 50 times on one page?

Also, it was 60 yards, and it wasn't perfect, the receiver had to basically stop for it.

No hate, it was a great play and I think Tom is the GOAT.

STFU and keep mirin' King Brady.

JTrain306
12-15-2010, 12:13 AM
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1299032 (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/1299032/tom-brady-to-brandon-tate.html) GIFSoup (http://www.gifsoup.com/)
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1227798 (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/1227798/tom-brady-flea-flicker.html) GIFSoup (http://www.gifsoup.com/)

not to mention
http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1130497 (http://www.gifsoup.com/view/1130497/gisele-bundchen.html) GIFSoup (http://www.gifsoup.com/)

damn, awesome GIFs

I like the part where you posted the GIFs

Your Dad
12-15-2010, 12:14 AM
damn, awesome GIFs

I like the part where you posted the GIFs

They were amazing werent they?

Except the last one, that was gay. Thinking about quoting those gifs again to let more peasants mire the King.

Sherloc
12-15-2010, 12:56 AM
If anyone wants a Montana vs Elway look at the 1994 Chiefs game at mile high. He beat out Elway. Also to those saying he was done when he went to the Chiefs 2 playoff years in a row isn't exactly lying down. Also you could look at the games he played there they were exciting as fuk especially in 1993.

ccj804
12-15-2010, 01:01 AM
good list.

how am I in here before Stang? Mind=blown

Erik2806
12-15-2010, 01:43 AM
good list.

how am I in here before Stang? Mind=blown

one of the only QB related threads where stang isnt in tears trying to defend manning

kethnaab
12-15-2010, 05:24 AM
When a QB passes for that many yards, that can just as easily mean the team is abandoning the run, not that they couldn't run. Any team that runs as little as that team did would have low rushing #'s.

And Moon owns the greatest collapse in NFL history - in the playoffs, no less.

well, I'm as hesitant to blame Moon for that collapse as I am hesitant to blame Kurt Warner for the loss against the Steelers.

when you are up 35-3, and the opponent has it's backup Frank Reich in, and it's the 3rd Quarter, you kinda expect your defense to be able to hold them

Messiahtype
12-15-2010, 07:08 AM
1. Montana(2 come Feb)
2. Brady(1 come Feb)
3. Elway
4. Manning
5. Unitas

That's a fluid list though, could easily consider guys like Otto Graham and Steve Young there as well.

JRRBadBoy4Life
12-15-2010, 08:05 AM
Question- Where does Favre rate among the all-time quarterbacks?



DOUG -- 1. Montana, 2. Brady, 3. Elway, 4. PManning, 5. Young
RYAN -- 1. Montana, 2. Brady, 3. Elway, 4. Moon, 5. Unitas.

Agree, Disagree?


I cant find what Skip said so I will repost next time it comes on. He didnt even have Peyton in the top 6. Strange.

LOL at Vince Young being number 5. He had throw a black guy in there. And what happened to Marino and Kelly.

GeorgeCarlinJr
12-15-2010, 08:07 AM
LOL at Vince Young being number 5. He had throw a black guy in there. And what happened to Marino and Kelly.

*bertstare* I hope this is a joke post...

CCAurora
12-15-2010, 09:16 AM
well, I'm as hesitant to blame Moon for that collapse as I am hesitant to blame Kurt Warner for the loss against the Steelers.

when you are up 35-3, and the opponent has it's backup Frank Reich in, and it's the 3rd Quarter, you kinda expect your defense to be able to hold them

Moon, 1st half: 19 of 22, 220 yards, 4 TD's

Moon, 2nd half and OT: 17 of 28, 151 yards, 2 INT's

Houston's 3rd down conversions bottomed out in the second half, too. A big reason for Buffalo's offensive success was Houston's inability to keep their offense on the field in the 2nd half. Buffalo's offense was used to fast-paced football, and Houston's defense was forced to play with little rest in the second half - especially the 3rd quarter.

kethnaab
12-15-2010, 09:17 AM
Moon, 1st half: 19 of 22, 220 yards, 4 TD's

Moon, 2nd half and OT: 17 of 28, 151 yards, 2 INT's


yeah, I hear ya, the entire team went down the tubes

I know that was some crowning glory time for you that day. :p

CCAurora
12-15-2010, 09:21 AM
yeah, I hear ya, the entire team went down the tubes

I know that was some crowning glory time for you that day. :p

:D I distinctly remember being at an open house with my parents and listening on the radio because somehow, a playoff game in Buffalo didn't sell out (probably because HOU crushed us the week before and Kelly and Thomas were out)... Van Miller had 20-30 classic calls in one game :)

FlexGunmetal
12-15-2010, 09:51 AM
and Flex, to be honest, it wasn't until Terrell Davis won Elway a pair of Super Bowls that Elway was considered anything other than a choker and postseason underachiever.

I know. After the SF blowout SB, I think people considered his career a failure. My point was football is complimentary, he needed help, but so does every great QB.
Elway was the face of a franchise he (like floyd little 20 years before) saved from moving.
I think long-time Denver fans take particular offense to people discrediting Elway (myself included). Mostly because a lot of those critics have seen the statistics, and in this pass-happy era they aren't that impressive.
But he willed a lot of bad teams to wins they didn't have the natural ability to earn. Stats don't always tell the whole story.
Denver fans agonized with John in those losses, but that just made the back to backs that much sweeter. He left football in style at the top of his game.
Maybe not the best ever, but damn good.


9 Pro Bowl selection (1986, 1987, 1989, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998)
3 2nd Team All-Pro selection (1987, 1993, 1996)
NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
1987 NFL MVP
2 Super Bowl champion (XXXII, XXXIII)
Super Bowl XXXIII MVP
2 UPI AFL-AFC Offensive Player of the Year (1987, 1993)